'Increasingly desperate': Trump lawyer gets caught 'backpedaling' from his plot to overturn the 2020 election

During the lame duck period that followed the United States' 2020 presidential election — after now-President Joe Biden defeated then-President Donald Trump and before Biden's Electoral College victory was affirmed by Congress on January 6 — far-right MAGA Republican and Trump attorney John C. Eastman offered a disturbing memo for overturning the election results. Eastman discussed his memo during a recent interview with the conservative National Review, and election law expert Rick Hasen views that interview as "signs" that Eastman now wants to "distance himself" from his late December/early January strategy.
The National Review's John McCormack explains,
The two-page memo written by Eastman proposed that (then-Vice President Mike) Pence reject certified Electoral College votes and then either declare Trump the winner or invalidate enough votes to send the election to the House of Representatives, where Republicans controlled a majority of delegations. That memo was first published in September in Bob Woodward and Robert Costa's book 'Peril.' The issue here is that Eastman says the Eastman memo does not accurately represent Eastman's own views or legal advice to Pence or Trump, claiming that the two-page version published in 'Peril' was preliminary and a final version presented various scenarios intended for internal discussion.
Hasen quotes McCormack's article extensively on his Election Law Blog, describing the interview as "signs that Eastman is getting increasingly desperate to distance himself from his false claims that the election was stolen from Trump and that VP Pence could unilaterally steal it back for him when Congress was supposed to confirm the Electoral College votes."
New @NRO: John Eastman vs. the Eastman Memo \n\nhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/john-eastman-vs-the-eastman-memo/\u00a0\u2026\n\nI interviewed Eastman for close to an hour about the now-infamous memo.— John McCormack (@John McCormack) 1634900261
McCormack writes that Eastman "now tells National Review, in an interview, that the first of the two strategies Giuliani highlighted on stage — having Pence reject electoral votes — was not 'viable' and would have been 'crazy' to pursue. What makes that admission remarkable is that Eastman was the author of the now-infamous legal memo making the case that Pence had that very power — that the vice president was the 'ultimate arbiter' of deciding whether to count Electoral College votes."
Eastman, according to McCormack, "says he disagrees with some major points in the two-page memo. That version says that Trump would be reelected if Pence invalidated enough electoral votes to send the election to the House of Representatives."
Eastman told the Review that his two-page memo — the one published in Woodward and Costa's "Peril" — was drafted on Christmas Eve 2020, followed by a final six-page memo on January 3. Eastman said, "I had been asked to put together a memo of all the available scenarios that had been floated. I was asked to kind of outline how each of those scenarios would work and then orally present my views on whether I thought they were valid or not. So, that's what those memos did."
Hasen, in a Twitter thread, wrote:
And Eastman's whole point is preposterous: he put "crazy" wrong theories in a legal memo from him to be distributed to others, without even noting that the arguments are weak or don't represent his own views? No respectable lawyer does that in giving legal advice.— Rick Hasen (@Rick Hasen) 1634911713
Today I shall write a memo laying out crazy options you should not do. I will sign my name to it and I will not indicate on the memo that I think your choices are crazy.\n\nHappens. Every. Day. #Eastman— Rick Hasen (@Rick Hasen) 1634912790
The Review's interview with Eastman is receiving a lot of reactions on Twitter. New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman and legal expert Joyce White Vance (a former federal prosecutor who often appears on MSNBC) both observed that Eastman is trying to distance himself from his actions of December and early January:
Eastman said a lot of this publicly. Now he\u2019s trying to undo ithttps://twitter.com/mccormackjohn/status/1451503017124040727\u00a0\u2026— Maggie Haberman (@Maggie Haberman) 1634902299
Eastman trying to disown the strategy he wrote is pathetic. On his Counsel, Trump & those around him seem to have agreed to use it to overturn the election, which sounds a lot like a conspiracy, whether it meets all the technical elements of the crime or not.https://twitter.com/mccormackjohn/status/1451503017124040727\u00a0\u2026— Joyce Alene (@Joyce Alene) 1634902966
Haberman also tweeted:
Trump aides tell me Eastman presented what he\u2019s now disavowing directly to Trumphttps://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/john-eastman-vs-the-eastman-memo/\u00a0\u2026— Maggie Haberman (@Maggie Haberman) 1634928588
Journalist Marcy Wheeler, who writes the Empty Wheel blog, tweeted:
This interview with John Eastman feels like someone trying to pre-empt a subpoena by pretending not to remember who on the legal team ordered him to write the memo. \n\nhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/john-eastman-vs-the-eastman-memo/\u00a0\u2026pic.twitter.com/Om5iKUuLag— emptywheel (@emptywheel) 1634901620
Journalist and Never Trump conservative David French tweeted:
This entire story by @McCormackJohn is an amazing read. He catches Eastman\u2019s outright deceptions again and again. \n\n\u201cThe issue here is that Eastman says the Eastman memo does not accurately represent Eastman\u2019s own views or legal advice to Pence or Trump\u201dhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/john-eastman-vs-the-eastman-memo/\u00a0\u2026— David French (@David French) 1634918433
Here are some more reactions to Eastman's interview with the National Review, including one from Washington Post columnist Greg Sargent:
This is good. But Eastman still dodges a core point: He doesn't disavow the legal theory underlying his memo. He says it's the "weaker" argument and that this isn't "resolved." But new historical paper shows it has been resolved. He must disavow entirely: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/15/eastman-memo-jan-6-trump-pence/\u00a0\u2026https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1451503017124040727\u00a0\u2026— Greg Sargent (@Greg Sargent) 1634904897