Revealed: Trump told Pence he'll 'go down as a wimp' in 'heated exchange' on Jan 6
Mike Pence speaking with supporters at a campaign rally for Donald Trump at the Phoenix Convention Center in Phoenix, Arizona. Image via Gage Skidmore.
President Donald Trump reportedly called then-Vice President Mike Pence a “wimp” in a heated phone call on the morning of Jan. 6, 2021.
ABC News reported Sunday that notes kept by Pence revealed his conversation with Trump during the hours before the certification of former President Joe Biden’s 2020 victory.
According to the notes, Trump said: “You’ll go down as a wimp.”
He added: “If you do that, I made a big mistake 5 years ago!”
According to the report, the details appear in a forthcoming book by Jonathan Karl.
Pence’s handwritten day-planner notes would have been part of the evidence proposed by special counsel Jack Smith in a prosecution plan that never reached trial.
The call occurred just hours before the Capitol breach — during a confrontation in which Trump urged Pence to block certification of the election results.
According to aides, the exchange was so tense that Trump’s daughter described it as “pretty heated.”
