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Diane Sawyer Doesn't Like What I Do

debauchette. Posted April 21, 2008.


My interview on ABC made one thing clear: In our society sex workers are still presented as tragic, lost, Dickensian characters.
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So, I did this interview with Diane Sawyer. It was an anonymous interview in silhouette, with a distorted profile and an altered voice and a few other anonymizing tricks. A few of you already know about this -- one of you said I was identifiable by the way I used the word 'yeah' and the way I touched my hair. Another said I wasn't recognizable at all.

When Sawyer asked why I agreed to speak with her, I said, "I don't know." But I do know. I did it because she asked. It was flattering, if a fucked form of flattery, but I was mostly interested because her perspective stands in diametric opposition to my own. She represents the view of middle America; she works for a family-friendly network with no tolerance for grey area in a subject as inflammatory as sex work. It was clear that there could be only one slant for her documentary, being the old Victorian trope of the broken, dysfunctional, fallen prostitute, incapable of forming her own opinions or making her own decisions (and I find it interesting when self-described feminists reinforce this). A network like ABC wanted Dickensian sex workers and that's precisely what they were going to show. But here I was being given a chance to offer my own take and experience, which runs counter to their thesis, and more specifically, I was being offered the opportunity to sit down and talk with this woman personally.

In reality, Sawyer was much more even-handed than she appeared on-screen, though her questions reflected a set of very backward assumptions. As I said to her then, I knew that one interview wasn't going to change anything, but I was hoping it might make a dent in the assumptions some people have about sex work.

I have strong feelings about that interview. I think they should have spoken with other women who represent my perspective, since I know I'm not alone, as well as with (real) sex worker activists. I also have strong feelings about the general response to that interview, from all sides. I'm mentioning the interview now because last night I learned that my parents tuned in to ABC that fateful day and promptly recognized me, in spite of the silhouette, the altered voice, the distorted profile, the vague and thoroughly dated details. I received an email from my mother saying that she knows. She saw the interview and decided to sit on this knowledge until she could see it again, and then she decided to contact me. What tipped her off exactly, I don't know. Maybe my mannerisms or my tendency to mumble or the few details that were mentioned. Whatever it was, it was clear to her. I'm sure that while she knows nothing about me personally, she can recognize my speaking habits.

And I'm not sure how I feel about this, my parents knowing. I haven't spoken to them. I haven't responded to her email. My father hasn't said or written anything -- I doubt he ever will. I'm stunned, but I'm not ashamed of what I do or what I've done. I feel exposed but I don't feel apologetic. I should feel mortified, but I don't. Instead, I feel like a very private part of my life has been exposed, like they've just caught me in the middle of some sex act. So I suppose I feel awkward. And because I have an especially curious mother who isn't so clear on boundaries, I'm sure she's combing the internet right now to identify every trace of my whorish self. She might be reading this right now

A few sentence fragments from her note:

"I have to say that it wasn't a complete surprise ... "

"But I was in a state of denial ... "

" ... it explains a lot about many things ... "

"I listened to what you had to say in the interview and I expect you feel you have thought all of this through."

In some ways, I feel the way I felt when I was sitting across from Sawyer. I feel like I can only sigh, because I doubt I can begin to penetrate the many layers of misunderstandings and preconceptions, let alone that relentless working assumption that a woman's value as a human being decreases as she gains sexual experience. (Sawyer asked me about preserving the 'sanctity' of my body, as though sex without the imprimatur of love were inherently degrading.). I'm glad my mother didn't lash out in anger or patent disgust -- what's come across in her note is some mix of restraint, confusion, and extreme discomfort. That deserves some kudos, even if I still feel miles away from having a real conversation with her about this, which, unsurprisingly, is exactly how I felt when I sat down with Diane Sawyer. We just don't see eye to eye.

So, today I was dazed. I went to grab some dim sum with some of New York's fine sex writers (thank you, Viviane) and then spent some time talking with Chelsea as we walked through the Lower East Side. While we were walking, I was thinking how relieved I was to be in such pro-slut company. And later in the day, I saw Gabriel, another blissfully pro-slut individual. He told me to take my clothes off, and this made me smile, which made him smile. While we undressed, I thought about how good this is, even if I have to battle my urge to shut down.

My mother wrote, " ... I expect you feel you've thought this all through," but nothing is thought through. I'm just thinking. And learning. He fucked me over his sofa, the flat of his hand pressing down into my back. I felt him take my hair in his hand before he pulled out to come across my lower back, which splattered in a thick, swerving pattern. After, he took a snapshot of his come against my winter-pale skin. Once he toweled my back down and we both dressed, I took a look. It was a beautiful shot.

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I think we are very confused...
Posted by: easter on Apr 21, 2008 5:43 PM   
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"Instead, I feel like a very private part of my life has been exposed, like they've just caught me in the middle of some sex act. So I suppose I feel awkward." This insinuates that you see sex as a very personal and vulnerable experience, which begs the question of how can someone honestly have a profession of sex and not be bothered by industrialization of what is personal and vulnerable? Perhaps you become more tolerable, more callous to the effects, like anyone does when they abuse alcohol, tobacco, drugs, sugar, etc. but is that healthy? But it seems that nothing can mess with someone as deep as sexual confusion can, personally the friends I have lost to drugs seem to have found drugs because of sexual confusion. Maybe those who chose sex work like the idea of putting a price on their body, maybe it is just a more exaggerated validation than what so many women and girls (and more and more, boys and men) seek when they buy makeup, diet pills, and the latest fashion? But that can't be healthy. How can buying into what the same sexism told you is your worth then be our freedom? I understand if people want to sell their bodies, that it is their choice, as long as it is relegated to a district where poor people do not have to deal with the repercussions that they are usually subject to in red light districts, and have enough honest reinforcement and patrol over that reinforcement ensuring everyone involved is willing. I don't think it is as detrimental to society as is sexist and racist propaganda that is all over the media. For example, an early morning ABC news show had a clip of how cricket is India is being "americanized", which is of course to have less than half clothed, incredibly skinny cheerleaders (when you hear cheerleader you assume it means women right? of course, and that is the case with this) and billed it as "bringing progress to a country steeped in tradition" or something. After the segment the female anchor seemed to sigh as she said "ahh, the international language of scantily clad women." and she is right, among any groups with any problems, they are all headed by men and they can all be brought together under one great equalizer, disenfranchising women. I wonder if we would dare to say the same "right" should be given to African Americans who are willing to be slaves, as their own choice. If this came up I can see thinking that if it only affects you than it should be your freedom, but who would deny that those who chose this are throwing away freedom? So if it comes up that a group of people earnestly want the right to be hired to be beaten or to be treated like a slave, I can see how you would say this is their own choice. But would you honestly think that these people are very healthy? Keeping in mind that catharsis is an archaic psychological idea. Call it like it is , this is women who are willing to play the house slave that women have been (and still are)relegated to a position of.If you want to make it legal to sell you r body for sex, or outright physical abuse and rape, at least call it like it is; consistency , allowing people the freedom to do what they will as long as it doesn't disenfranchise others, but also know that like the ACLU who backs the KKK as being consistent with freedom of speech, you would hope they wouldn't be publicly endorsing this racist and sexist propaganda, just trying to be consistent. To note, the aclu does back up pornographers, not the individual women who have tried to prosecute them (it is not a right wing movement as the media would like you to believe, the only threat to porn is the people who have suffered due to it). The great equalizer, bringing liberals, progressives, all ethnicities, into global harmony, relegating women to sexual objects.

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» Listen to the Sex Workers Posted by: Holly P.
I've had a similar experience
Posted by: claudineoleary on Apr 21, 2008 5:46 PM   
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I've turned down everyone from Oprah to Maury. As a founder and former director of a organization by and for teen girls in the sex trade and street economies, I fielded and turned down many requests for interviews from national and local news sources because of how the media characterizes youth trading sex for money or survival needs.

But I agreed to an interview for the Chicago Tribune only to find my name and picture with the title "former child prostitute" published on the front page. My mother was furious and we still haven't repaired our relationship from that. The article wasn't any better for the youth who were interviewed who were characterized as "scarred for life".

I agree we must figure out ways to engage the media because it's harder to see only one side. But I think more strategy is required.

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Sex Buyers Union
Posted by: gellero1 on Apr 22, 2008 12:38 AM   
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We should have a sex buyers union because most female sex workers overcharge for unenthusiastic service, and seem to have a predisposition to get guys off so they can leave before the allotted time. Talk about exploitation !!

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» RE: Sex Buyers Union Posted by: davmills
» Can you say buyer's boycott? Posted by: MartianBachelor
Editorial decisions
Posted by: progdem on Apr 22, 2008 2:09 AM   
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So I read this little post and found nothing of value. I read the blog from which it is pulled and found nothing but trite accounts of meaningless bourgeois indulgence. No argument, no reason to believe that the sex trade is anything but what we have all heard about it (in fairness I didn't read all the posts on the blog, or even most. after reading it though, it is hard to imagine the writer of those posts talking about much beside herself. and one case tells us nothing of much importance). Just someone with an odd job talking about their day. Which is fine. Do whatever you want with your blog. But what purpose was there in putting this on alternet?

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» RE: editorial decisions Posted by: culheath
» right--right--right! Posted by: e rice
» RE: right--right--right! Posted by: progdem
» i have a genius level IQ Posted by: e rice
» RE: Felipe nailed it Posted by: Techubus
» check the time stamps Posted by: e rice
» RE: editorial decisions Posted by: progdem
» RE: Got part of my post mixed up Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: editorial decisions Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: editorial decisions Posted by: Livemike
» but its got electrolytes!!!!1!!1!! Posted by: Iconoclast421
You must be a terrible person
Posted by: Eat Politicians on Apr 22, 2008 2:11 AM   
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Because sex is wrong and should be hidden and controlled. No one should ever view someone having sex because it degrades us all...

I learned that by reading alternet...

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» RE: You must be a terrible person Posted by: Woodpecker
» no--what i want is Posted by: e rice
» RE: no--what i want is Posted by: peacefullaim
confused person
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Apr 22, 2008 3:39 AM   
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The woman who wrote this article seems confused. If she is not embarrassed of her job, why is she so focused on her parents finding out?

Of course she's embarrassed. One of these centuries human beings will admit that sex is more fun than eating and we're not embarrassed to do THAT in public. But until then, people pretend in public that only BAD people have sex.

Having said that, it's sad for me to see young women think that being liberated is about working as a whore. Liberation was supposed to mean we would not be treated as sex objects rather we would work using our brains, ya know....working as doctors and shit like that! Truth is a high dollar prostitute will make a lot more money than a doctor, won't have to put up with insurance companies and won't have huge student loans for tuition!

On a side note, I've been doing some political comedy videos as grandma crabby and posting them on you tube and other places. Some are on my video production tips blog which has a link below. My two personal favorites are the ones where I make fun of Hillary for her Bosnia lie and another where I ask Bill O'Reilly why he needs to use a loofah. Go check them out and pass them around.


VideoProductionTips = Learn Internet Video

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» RE: confused person Posted by: clvngodess
» RE: All work involves whoring yourself Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: P.S. All work involves whoring yourself Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: All work involves whoring yourself Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: confused person Posted by: Livemike
Dicing with injury
Posted by: Kevin Straw on Apr 22, 2008 3:54 AM   
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Anyone who is a sex worker needs his or her head examined. A woman with a well-organised agency who goes with rich men for a dinner and a strictly choreographed shag is one thing, but the woman who steps into cars with strangers, or goes into the bushes, or up alleyways, is taking a mighty risk. I don't know how many men there are with a hole where the heart should be, but there are enough of them to guarantee that to put oneself into their power is dicing with injury even death. You'll never stop this trade, but at least get them off the street into decent accommodation with a minder on hand who isn't a pimp (a policeman in plain clothes would be ideal!). Any industry which had such an injury/death rate as street walking would have been regulated by the health and safety people long ago.

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» RE: Dicing with injury Posted by: e rice
» RE: Dicing with injury Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Dicing with injury Posted by: Kevin Straw
» RE: Dicing with injury Posted by: Livemike
Prostitutes Over Civil Servants
Posted by: Gretchen360 on Apr 22, 2008 4:04 AM   
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The Godfather [Marlon Brando] said it made no difference to him how a man made his living. I would limit my approval to crimes without victims.
Millions of government employees abuse us daily. As pimps and harlots, they would contribute some good to the nation rather than subverting it.

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This is really sad
Posted by: Ruby on Apr 22, 2008 4:10 AM   
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Of course, "sex workers" have been and will be around forever.

But, while you claim not to be ashamed of what you do, you hide it from your family and try to disguise yourself from the world in an interview. Doesn't that tell you something? You're not proud of what you do, so why do you pretend to be with your words?

Really, I'm just trying to understand here--not judging, just observing.

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» RE: Think about it just a little bit more... Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Puhleezzzz
Posted by: mrs whatsit on Apr 22, 2008 4:20 AM   
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Give us a break. This was a non-substantial piece of fluff geared to further promote crap reporting. And people will fall for it, unfortunately.
I read it thinking that I might learn something, but all I ended up reading was the same mindless dribble that I had read during my early twenties between the pages of Hustler magazine.
AlterNet has sunk to a new low. Who edits this Stuff?

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Sex Work is as valid as lawyering
Posted by: sfortuna on Apr 22, 2008 4:40 AM   
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The real worth of a woman in the sex trade is not that one pays her to use her body. Random, casual sex is fairly easy to find in the right circumstances. People pay them to perform a service, then leave afterwards without a backward glance or future consequence. Its transactional nature is the same relationship we enter into with gardeners, carpenters, even doctors, although their outcomes vary widely. What one buys is immediately discernible face to face, or where the rubber meets the road. Not much need to read the fine print, negotiate payment terms, fill out rebate papers, visit consumer reports sites, or examine Curriculum Vitae (although The Erotic Review and other sites is filling that vacuum for the value-conscious consumer). This instantly gratifying, cash-and-carry transaction annoys the powerful and prudish because they:
1) Cannot License or Sanction it
2) Cannot Tax It
3) Cannot regulate its distribution or movement

In short, it is the ultimate form of personal liberation. Deep in our limbic brains we must realize that our value to the rich and powerful is based on our exploitable talents or marginal consumer power. Do you have any doubt Dick Cheney and his ilk would dance around massive funeral pyres if they could make several billion more from war, poverty and fear? Sex work is an attempt by individuals to value themselves away from the exploitative relationship between labor and production. If people place a value on their bodies and can use them to advantage, who has the right to inhibit the free and fair exchange of that medium between consenting adults? At least with properly performed sex work there are no lasting or public effects. The same cannot be said for lobbying, or taking money to defend negligent corporations.

As global corporations continue to ruin our air, water, economy and security, I propose a toast to the independent sex worker, the world's oldest entrepreneurial position.

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Ok, so far I been good I ain't used no cuss words but this . . .
Posted by: Nightstallion on Apr 22, 2008 4:41 AM   
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I can't stand this topic. Although I have been a sinner I am going to cast stones at the audience! Fie upon you and your wassail too! I am a Veteran can you dig it? Where I came from my folks were to poor to put money aside for my schooling they are both dead now. I have brothers and sisters still alive, Hi Guys!

Btw. Diane why did you have that cute birthmark removed!? When I got out of the Army, I got a lot of fecal material about eligibility for the GI bill. I could not let that stop me so by accident and fortune I came across these women whose husbands were never home. This one woman said she would be glad to help me get into school but there was a price. Now please believe me when I say I didn’t mind paying that price even though gender preference takes me in another direction. Besides, I was getting a $500.00 favor from this woman and eight of her friends about six times a week.

I have received eight (8) years of education beyond high school because of some lovely if horny older women. I still have contact with one of them as a friend now these days because she is in her eighties. Some ones of you will remember who I was, hey I am laughing!

Thanks for Reading

Nightstallion

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it is wonderful interview
Posted by: john110 on Apr 22, 2008 5:22 AM   
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Millions of government employees abuse us daily. As pimps and harlots, they would contribute some good to the nation rather than subverting it. I saw idea about issue on a famouse site, SUGARMOMMYMEET.COM. it caters to rich mowen seeking young and charming men. every day there a lot of men joining in the site.

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The Only Problem I Have
Posted by: curiousdwk on Apr 22, 2008 5:45 AM   
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The only problem I have with paid professinal sex is that it is only available where I, the man, am pleasured. I love to cuddle, to caress, to stroke. I love to pleasure a woman with my hands and my mouth.

I see nothing wrong with paying someone for sex as most men do it when they pay for their girlfriends meal, theater tickets, and drinks. The difference is the relationship - not immediately after, but at least the next day. Sometimes one wants a sensuous experience for the night without playing out the role of a relationship the next day.

But I feel sex is also about pleasuring the other person. That's where I get the most pleasure. Although I can find someone who will pleasure me for money, I have yet to find someone who will let me pleasure them for money.

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» RE: The Only Problem I Have Posted by: cpotter
» RE: The Only Problem I Have Posted by: Crazy H
Sex worker speaks
Posted by: user of sex on Apr 22, 2008 5:59 AM   
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after several tries to post comment and it
being turncated by censors for pointing out
profits in keeping industry illegal it is
obvious alternet will also not allow views
unacceptable to current status quo to be
posted.we are NOT to be heard unless
presented as tptb want us to be shown.

y'all missed a good post.

.

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Where's the problem?
Posted by: bomec on Apr 22, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Where's the problem? I buy and pay for food, I have bought and paid for and continue to pay to maintain my house, I buy and pay for clothing. I buy and pay for these things because they answer basic human needs for nourishment and shelter. Why is buying and paying for sex so difficult to understand? Sex, too, is a basic human need, and in cases where it doesn't simply make itself easily available for the price of a marriage license, why should we not buy it and pay for it?

And don't give me all the religious malarky about the sanctity of the temple of the body, because I don't buy it. And I resent having such malarky foisted upon me by anyone.

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» RE: Where's the problem? Posted by: cpotter
» RE: Where's the problem? Posted by: Livemike
A Sociological Point of View
Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 22, 2008 6:52 AM   
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I would just like to offer a sociological explanation to counter the attacks that if she is proud of what she does why does she hide it from other people? Simply human nature. Every hear of the Ash experiment. He asked people a very simple question, which line on the first card matches the length of a line on the second card. The twist was the subject was in a room where everyone else was told to give the wrong answer to see if people would stick to their own perceptions or let the group influence them. Many did let the group influence them, but even the ones who stuck to their guns felt UNCOMFORTABLE! When we find ourselves surrounded by strong opposition, it is only human to recognize that. Anyone who has ever had controversy in their lives and survived knows how to choose their battles carefully.

My 2 cents is that what consenting adults do with their bodies is their own business.

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Go Girl!
Posted by: Naomi on Apr 22, 2008 6:55 AM   
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As a former sex-worker, I know what my sister is trying to express in her article. There is no contradiction. I can be proud of the choices I make in my work, but still be concerned about how these choices affect people that care about me. That is a healthy response that shows emotional sensitivity and awareness of other people.

I've seen both the empowering side and abusive side of sex work. With a few exceptions, sex work is not one or the other, black or white - its a fluid gray area that changes depending on a number of factors. Too many people judge sex workers based on this false dichotomy.

Like many of my siblings in 'the biz' - I have seen the hypocrisy of so-called moral people, the repressed desires, and also the heart-felt longing for intimacy and love. I see all of these emotions in replies to the original article. Sex work is the lightning rod for all of these emotions.

Unfortunately, until our society moves to a general equality in emotional maturity, healthy relationships, and just laws, sex workers will continue to walk the blurry line as both pariah and sexual object. The truth, is somewhere in the middle, or maybe somewhere else entirely.

All my best,
N

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This woman is a real bore
Posted by: logansafi on Apr 22, 2008 7:45 AM   
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Debauchette, you are boring.

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» to you, maybe Posted by: e rice
» RE: This woman is a real bore Posted by: Blue Heron
women need more options
Posted by: ninakat on Apr 22, 2008 8:06 AM   
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This article seems at times both defensive and defeated. The stigma that sex workers experience can be exhausting. Nevertheless, just because this one woman feels empowered by her sexual labor--and let's not forget that she does it for money--sex work does NOT empower women as a group. And the whole "other workers are more exploited" argument just doesn't hold here. The fact that the fall back for attractive women--within a wide range of attractiveness--is sexual desirability as a commodity never ceases to bum me out. We don't live in the kind of society where paying for sex is part of an equal opportunity exploitation culture. There are a disproportionate amount of men buying and women selling. I don't have a solution to this mess, but I'm not going to feel utopian about sex work until that dynamic some how changes.

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» RE: women need more options Posted by: Livemike
ain't nothin' but a thang...
Posted by: art guerrilla on Apr 22, 2008 8:11 AM   
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1. to the 'freedom loving' immigrant woman who found nothing but sex work to do and was -apparently- pissed that no one would rescue her:
A. freedom (which we have relatively, but decreasing day-by-day, by the way) means the freedom to fail, too... freedom ain't a guaranteed meal ticket, ain't a bonbons and soap opera job, and ain't an automatic mcmansion, picket fence, 2 car garage life on easy street...
B. there are plenty (MORE than PLENTY!) of disparate desparate native-borns (including real natives), normal, regular, PhD'ed, twue bwue amerikans who have it just as bad or worse as princess of persia had it; why she should have it better because of HER UNFOUNDED EXPECTATIONS, is beyond me...
wake up and smell the bullshit, princess sparkle pony...

2. to those who decry the author's 'shame' in being revealed to her parents as 'proof' that sex work is 'bad': in our society (as lame as it is), isn't it possible (if not likely) that a college graduate would also be JUST as 'ashamed' if they have a fastfood job they didn't tell their parents about ? ? ?
aren't there MANY 'shameful' occupations which are either over-valued or ignored in our society ? is an arbitrage takeover pig REALLY an honorable professional ? really ? ? ? are usurious bankers (who probably claim to be 'good xtians') honorable people in an honorable profession ? is an executioner an honorable job (hmmm, why do they wear a hood, or are otherwise anonymous, they must be ashamed) ?

in fact, is joining the military where YOU KNOW an illegitimate, immoral gummint/leaders will send you off to MURDER UNTOLD INNOCENT THOUSANDS FOR NO GOOD DEFENSIBLE REASON, is that an honorable thing to do ? (or just a desparate, societally-approved shit job ?)
VOLUNTARY military recruits (who otherwise had no practical job choices available), CHOSE to go into an 'occupation' whose SOLE PURPOSE is to KILL and DESTROY WHOEVER their corrupt, immoral gummint points them at; and THAT is an honorable choice not only NOT to be ashamed of, but fucking bragged about endlessly for the rest of their lives ? ? ?
i don't think so...

yep, we are the most civilizedest (sic), smartest (sic), richest (well, you know, *some* of us), imperialist, militaristic, violent society EVER in the his story of the universe, but don't let that be a shameful thing...

*THAT* is one of the main problems in a nutshell:
we have NO shame...

art guerrilla
aka ann archy

eof

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» BRAVA! BRAVA! BRAVA! Posted by: e rice
huh?
Posted by: sinfony78 on Apr 22, 2008 8:30 AM   
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i wish this post hadn't been more of a personal blog than an informative piece on the sex industry...if adults agree to have consensual sex for a price, then who am i to judge...and were it legal and regulated, then it would/could be very safe, if everyone is able to ignore the "moral implications" of the act...but not having seen the interview, this "article" sheds little light on sex work and doesn't allow readers to create an informed, honest opinion on the subject, which is what we (society) really need

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The Ideal for Sex Work
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 22, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Sex work should be legal. It should be regulated to be sure that workers are healthy and protected as well as clients. It should pay well and be taxed. Our ideas on sex are very outmoded. Sex is big business. I think that the current set up with pimps and operating outside of law does not liberate women, it puts them at the mercy of unknown risks and possibly violent people.

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» RE: The Ideal for Sex Work Posted by: cpotter
» RE: The Ideal for Sex Work Posted by: peacefullaim
AMUSING,
Posted by: soowee on Apr 22, 2008 8:39 AM   
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I empathize with the writer, but most of the anal-retentive comments thereafter are quite ludicrously amusing. Our dominant, Taliban-like Judeo-Christian (central Asian) culture has seen to it that most of us regard sex (for women only) as dirty and to be "hidden," as one commentator above has said. After all, what is the doctrine of "Original Sin" about? What is all the "Virgin Birth" BS about and why is it so important?

To be sure, unprotected, indiscriminate sex can be quite risky, but that should impel our science establishment to find ways to avoid such consequences instead of allowing the smarmy self-righteous among us to bask in false, smug affirmation. Discussion of "sin" is utterly stupid and irrelevant.

I am in total agreement that sex should be fun for both genders, and if it leads to financial profits, then by all means let it happen. Guys can always say "no"!

H. Watkins Ellerson
PO Box 90
Hadensville, VA 23067
(804) 457-4243

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» RE: AMUSING, Posted by: Livemike
"All acts of love and pleasure are my ritual"
Posted by: tanith on Apr 22, 2008 10:14 AM   
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That quote's from the "Charge of the Goddess" by Doreen Valiente. It's what I believe about sex. Unfortunately, the Abrahamic religions (or the People of the Book, as they're called) denigrate women by making their gender and their sexual pleasure unclean. Although they upshot is to guarantee that offspring of husbands are theirs rather than someone else's, the sexual pleasure of women apparently makes them untrustworthy, thereby creating a reason for to control women in an inordinate fashion.

They seem to forget that Judah visited a temple prostitute, who was really his widowed daughter-in-law Tamar, a woman he had neglected because she seemed to be "bad luck." The result of the sacred act in the temple were twins, one of them designated the ancestor of Jesus--a prophet to Muslims and the messiah for Christians. According to Jewish scholars Judah later married Tamar, an act which would seem to legitamize her activity.

I think sex work should be legalized. Outlawing prostitution hasn't made it go away. Keeping sex work only helps the madams, pimps, and the johns; it puts women in danger and transforms them, by virtue of their work into the "lowest of the low," into people no one cares about. That, not the sex, is a disgrace.

As far as debauchee goes, I not only wish her well, I wish she and her partner had used a condom to protect against STDs.

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Holy shit!
Posted by: Mango on Apr 22, 2008 10:46 AM   
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You are a very brave woman. Sex work aside -- because I haven't thought that one through -- I have plenty of respect for someone courageous enough for that last paragraph!

Make no apologies to the system for your beliefs.

I'll bet Diane Sawyer is super kinky in her own Junior-Miss-Pageant-winner kind of way!

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you are a prostitute, not a "sex worker"
Posted by: annika on Apr 22, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Sex worker is one of these silly liberal namby pamby phrases to hide the reality of prostitution, which sorry sister, treats you as a common piece of ass with a price. Your alleged private act of liberation only reinforces this chattel system that affects millions of women globally.

There is a radical feminist viewpoint on this that unfortunately young women have a ridiculously stupid blind spot to. There is not only the puritan mainstream critique which is entirely sexist.

I did some "sex work" too. Not full service, mind you but enough. The whole world of representing a sex object can't but lead to a certain alienation from your own mind, your idea of yourself as an individual. By the last instance, i started to feel a bit like a slug -- to myself-- even though i was not emotionally impacted.

The other girls were doing it to survive. They had little choice.

No one is saying don't be sexual. But yours is a powerless power, to quote Hellen Mirren. As a woman, you must recognize that you and even your fake reclamation of your sexual rights have a price, and bear a price: you concede to a male system of exploitation. Maybe you need the male appreciation to appreciate yourself -- note the last line.

The whole idea of "sex work" legitimates a fundamental exploitation of women by men in the entire social structure. You perpetuate that. You don't live in a vacuum. So i hope all your blissful sex-positiveness might take into account your unknown, never known sisters around the world who will never know the sexual freedom you claim to have.

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I am more or less on the writer's side
Posted by: Blue Heron on Apr 22, 2008 11:01 AM   
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However, some things need to be clarified I think. I don't believe in bashing this woman for what she does. What we do is never who we are. But how is selling the only thing you own empowering? Can someone explain that please? I do think it's wrong to bash sex workers. It is also hypocritical to say that porn is a more valid profession than prostitution, though I have an idea why men might feel that way.

I think it's important for women to be self-possessed. In fact, I think it's an even more important quality than confidence. The writer of this piece is clearly very ballsy, which is admirable. But she has let the world take a bite out of her. The truly ballsy individual never lets the world have a piece of her, because she knows how valuable she truly is. That's why men are always so emotionally detached, and it's time women followed suit.

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» right on Posted by: easter
» RE: right on Posted by: e rice
I don't think the author was clear...
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 22, 2008 12:35 PM   
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...or maybe I'm confused, but I think the interview being referred to was part of a two-hour "20/20" special a couple of weeks ago, which was supposed to be about the women doing this telling about it in their own words. FYI - in case any others didn't know the context.

Of course the overall editing of the show was designed to elicit a very predictable "how sad..." and "ain't it awful?" emotional response in the viewer, which is exactly what virtually every the commenter at ABC's website for the show reflected. The one possible exception was the part about the bunny ranch type girls in Nevada, who evidently work in a nice environment and make good money.

Sawyer was just doing her job as whore for Disney, pimping over-priced name-brand products to upper-middle class affluent women with extra disposable income, just like Grey's Anatomy Dancing With the Stars and all their other shows are designed to do.

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A crossing over?
Posted by: herbal on Apr 22, 2008 4:37 PM   
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When it happens that an everyday man asks you to take your clothes off and trundle to the couch, it is a common place thing for single men and married couples. It is the cultural idea of virginity, exclusively female virginity, of the sex that is penetrated that begs a question. Is there a physical basis for such mores? Women are more vulnerable than men in contracting AIDS in heterosexual copulation. All of American society adulates sex and promotes products with sex. It cannot be wrong to break the double standard that dictates that all men are natural nyphomaniacal sluts and women are pretenders of virginity, never masturbate, or are at least Jewish princess technical virgins; all of whom in the cultural dance aspire to being 'unused'. Yes, reflecting on a young boy's adolescence, there was this idea of defilement, abuse and used dirty towel of a woman who had Experience.

The Dutch treat liberation can now mature into women who can feel the same freedom to express lust as men and their domain.

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I don't either!!!
Posted by: Morganx on Apr 22, 2008 4:39 PM   
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I don't care what is going on...don't sell your ass!!! Don't make it sound like the right thing to do!!! BECAUSE IT ISN'T!!!! And nothing you can say can make it right.

This is a typical example of the situational ethics that made this country the shit hole that it is now!! Slavery?...we need the cheap labor, kill the Native Americans?..we need the land, start a war?...there's good money in it, sell your ass...wtf I can't do anything else with my young healthy body and mind...BULLSHIT!!!

I am progressive and not a hater, but I think the likes of you and Suzy Bright are nothing but cheap hookers with loud mouths.

Sex is a private, serious, beautiful, individual and almost sacred part of our humanity. You cheapen and degrade it!

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» RE: Sex is whatever you want it to be Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Racy Fluff
Posted by: leafsong1 on Apr 22, 2008 5:25 PM   
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She complains that she couldn't get accross on TV, but given the chance to do it in writing, she cops out. Sure, I'm pro-slut; a lot of people are. That doesn't mean that I think prostitutes aren't low. Renting out your body is a profoundly demeaning practice. It's better than killing people for money, but it's still low.

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» RE: acy Fluff Posted by: davmills
Dense and Disingenuity
Posted by: wugglyump on Apr 22, 2008 6:56 PM   
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You know, when I read all of the posters here making various assertions about the reality of Mademoiselle Debauchette's existence, it makes me want to vomit. Unless you've done it, how do you know what it's like? There are also a ton of gay male/trans-gendered prostitute blogs out there - do all of you frequent their blogs and argue with them about how happy they are or aren't? Or is it only women who can be victimized?

That's the "dense" part. If there's one criticism to be made of Mlle. Debauchette, it's that she's disingenuous. I don't believe, not for a single second, that someone as intelligent as she is - which should be obvious to anyone who reads her- wasn't perfectly aware of the risks involved in talking to the media. I think we're being had in that sense. I'm looking forward to "The Adventures of Debauchette" to be published in 2010 by...whom?

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I have seen how you do I know your forgiveness little Christian and I am not impressed.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Apr 23, 2008 2:15 AM   
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On the street corner arm akimbo
Leaning against the news building
Lowered eyes when I pass
Glance at backside look askance
Bump in front advertisement
Sex for hire feed me and $100.00
Your house or hotel NO MOTELS!
Winks smiles wanna be my daddy?
I stop: You wanna clean up your act
you wanna go to school like a kid ?
If you are really ready lets trip,
I got a four bedroom apartment.
Two roomies no pets you can smoke.
Real cigs only no Bud, no Crack no Ice
I buy clothes till you get on welfare
He rolls his eyes shit man you square
You straight too or some bondo freak?
You is smellin’ like a French whore.
You sure you wanna ask that?
Fuck you man, I gotta make money
Fuck yourself if you stay dead in
a week maybe hacked to bits
the GR dude gonna have you for lunch
He only do the bitches man not boys
Suit you self brain deader your death!
Walking off cop I didn’t see stops me
on the way back to my bookstore gig.
Hey perv. I’m watching your ass dig.
So, watch you got rights just don’t touch.
Listen wise ass I can haul you in for cause
What cause ultra pig you see me taking?
I know you cruise the bookstores faggot!
Blind dipshit I work here come see –
Sure all you creeps stick together
Fuckin’ faggots in the woodwork shit!
We lock all your asses up we got no more
Faggot problems, city gets better job done.
Get raises medals and good riddance trash
Scratching my head I look to the Seagulls
Man just keep standing right there I got
Friends who will shit all over you…..

Create love
It is there
Foster pain
Do you care
He upon clouds came
Then all deny blame
Though fingers still point in the air
Study the time
Please catch the mime
Of the hippo critic spell you have cast
Let go your ties to that mast
Pretend no more lies to be tamed
Feel the here now
Turn not and bow
To the holocaust world of the past
Enough death
Let it all die at last
The monsters here are our own
We birthed them then have we flown
Away from that breath
That we blew in the lungs
Of the beastly creatures
Atone!

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hmm
Posted by: SjrBoomz on Apr 23, 2008 9:37 AM   
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I watched that interview. I remember it clearly. Mostly because I was completely shocked at the woman's lack of understanding of herself. If she honestly does enjoy her work, if it honestly does make her happy, that's great.. but I don't believe it for a second.

I should point out that one thing that I do remember from that interview is that Diane Sawyer seemed pretty much hell-bent on getting this woman to admit she was disgusting and ashamed of herself. Not very cool.

However, it was apparent throughout the interview that the woman she was talking to was not at all comfortable with herself or her line of work. She made all sorts of claims about how she does not feel degraded and she actually finds sex work liberating and bla bla bla. If that is the case, what the hell is she hiding for?

I understand that she may be a very sexual being. Nothing wrong with that - and I totally understand. I personally do not find casual sex to be at all degrading or demeaning for the woman involved so long as she and her partner are well aware that the encounter is casual and no one is getting their head fucked around. In other words, I do not find "sluttiness" degrading if the woman is a "slut" for her own pleasure, and is honest with herself and the men she sleeps with.

But.. exchanging your body for material goods... that is degrading and demeaning. In so doing you are saying that a sum of money or some flashy jewelery, whatever is received as payment, is worth more to you than your own body, your self. If you yourself value your body less than material possession, those around you, those who know how little you value your self, will begin to assign you lesser and lesser value as a human being... until it gets to the point where you have become so devalued that you are no longer seen as human. You are a whore... just a whore - a fucking product.

Tell me that is not degrading?

I dare this woman.. I challenge her... convince me that she value herself as a human being. If she can do that, I will become a sex worker. If she can not, she better start thinking a little more about her life, her self, and her inherent value that she is tossing out the window for money and jewelery.....

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About women selling thier bodies
Posted by: herbal on Apr 29, 2008 1:03 AM   
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It the oldest cliche' in the whore's repertoire that all wives are kept women who whore for their husbands in exchange for security and material things. Who can argue with that?
Perhaps it is the promiscuity that makes these readers protest, not that a woman 'degrades' herself.

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