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Love Rollercoaster: Dating with Bipolar Disorder
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You might think the date was extraordinary. It wasn't. We'd gone to a Hollywood hamburger stand and gabbed about bands and writers for four hours. Until that night, we'd only spoken on the phone a few times. It didn't matter. By the time the ice in my soda had melted, I'd fallen in love.
Sara was twenty-seven, and what people used to call a wag: smart, quick-witted, encyclopedic. She could recount every failed Everest expedition in mesmerizing detail -- the sort of a talent I would expect of a rock climber, not someone who'd never gone camping. I kept wondering why no one had snapped her up. Then I found out.
"There's something you should know about me," she said, a couple of hours into the date. "I hope it doesn't scare you off."
Panicked thoughts raced through my mind. A jealous ex? An STD? I tried to remember if I'd sipped from her drink.
"I'm bipolar," she said.
"Good," I replied.
This was the odd humor Sara and I had already established, but I wasn't entirely joking. I'd had several close bipolar friends, and had once been in a long-term relationship with a bipolar woman, Nyla, whom I still consider the smartest person I'd ever met. From a distance, I'd seen how much energy it took Nyla to keep her episodes under control: weekly doctor's visits, blood tests, complicated regimens of medications.
And yet for all their problems, my bipolar buddies had always kept things interesting. Take my friend Jerome, hired one summer to drive a van full of rich and annoying European teenagers across the country. Somewhere in the Midwest, without telling the kids or his employer or anyone else where he was going, he simply got out at a gas station and walked away. "I was bored," he told me. Irresponsible, yes, but hilarious.
I didn't hear Sara's story until later, but it didn't have many funny parts. Her condition was rooted in a childhood depression that began when her father died suddenly of stomach cancer. At eighteen, she enrolled in the Ivy League university she'd dreamt of attending since childhood, and within a semester, was incapacitated by depression; she dropped out and returned to L.A. Suicide attempts followed. Then came her diagnosis, and years of experimenting with different psychiatric drugs until her doctors found the magic combination. Sidelined for years, she was finally looking forward again: doing PR for a record label and working part-time toward her bachelor's degree.
How could you not admire such a person? When I looked at Sara, I felt inspiration, not pity. And even though I'm not the type to plunge quickly into relationships, I was convinced I was in love. I invited her back to my place. Aside from a quick trip to clean out her studio apartment a few weeks later, she never went home.
"Of the two of us," I told her as we lay happily in bed, "I must be the crazier one."
Nine months later I stood over her pale, unconscious body, frantically dialing 911 for the first time in my life.
You could compile an entire book of quotes comparing love to madness. But of all the psychological issues in the DSM-IV, only one really resembles the experience of love. "An illness that is unique in conferring advantage and pleasure," writes Dr. Kay Jamison in one of the most famous memoirs of bipolar illness, An Unquiet Mind. It's easy to confuse love with mania, Jamison says. The trouble is that love is fleeting. There's no cure for bipolar.
The popular caricature of the disease -- people swinging rapidly between happiness and sadness -- isn't the whole story. Most of us may have been unhappy enough at one time or another to recognize a fit of depression, but the other half of the disease (the mania that leads to everything from religious fervor to shopaholism to insatiable libido) is much harder to fathom. For instance, hypomania, which is a mild form of mania characterized by enviable productivity, can lead to what is called a "mixed state," in which the bipolar individual is both miserable and energetic enough to do something about it. Before L had found an effective combination of meds, she drove halfway across the country in a mixed state, buying expensive clothes and jewelry for herself, with the goal of committing suicide when she reached California. Fortunately, her mania dissipated before she made it there.
Like such behavior, love is nonsensical. All relationships suffer from irrationality, which is why they can be particularly susceptible to the ups and downs of bipolar. The most obvious problem is the wild swings in libido: one week your partner wants sex all the time -- maybe too often -- and the next they've got the sexual impulses of a Buddhist monk. With both Nyla and Sara, I never knew what sort of response my advances would receive. And after sex, when I thought we'd both enjoyed ourselves, sometimes S would burst into tears. "What's wrong?" I'd whisper, to which she'd cryptically reply, "I feel overwhelmed."
Sara's life was a constant battle against entropy. While most of us are bored by too much routine, Sara was obsessive about hers, and as her boyfriend, I found myself joining her in it. I, who have never liked TV, started watching hours of it with her every night. Infatuated with cleaning products, Sara taught me the joys of repetitive household maintenance. It took her all day to clean the bathroom, and when she was done, she would begin all over again. "It's better than watching TV, isn't it?" she'd say, as if these predictable tasks were the only options.
Our relationship became defined by obsessive routine, something that might normally have made me feel antsy and restless. But because Sara clung to the structure so fervently, I followed her lead. I began to drop off the social map. The parameters of our life together drew further and further inward, until we were living in a tiny, airtight box created by the quirks of her disorder. I became not only her enabler, but her progeny as well.
This probably isn't how most people picture bipolar disorder. Yet despite this, more people than ever think they know what bipolar is -- a mixed blessing for those who suffer from it. This is partially thanks to the ubiquity of advertisements for medications like Abilify and Zyprexa, and partially due to diagnoses, which have doubled over the last decade. A 1997 National Mental Health Association survey found that more than two-thirds of Americans had limited or no knowledge of the disease; almost a decade later, eight out of ten Americans think they know what bipolar disorder is. Everyone from disgraced New York Times reporter Jayson Blair to Debra LaFave, the high-school teacher convicted of seducing her fourteen-year-old student, has employed the bipolar defense. And if they don't trumpet it as the explanation for their misdeeds, media experts are happy to do so on their behalf. Without ever having met her, Fox News contributor Dr. Keith Ablow all but diagnosed Britney Spears on air this month. "I would put on the list of possibilities a mood disorder like bipolar," he said, further cementing it as the official catch-all for crazy people.
"There is never a story or scene with healthy, happy bipolars because even though that type comprises the bulk of the population, it doesn't sell and isn't exciting," says a bipolar woman who maintains a blog about bipolar disorder called Weird Cake. "Top this off with sensational misinformation from people like Oprah, and you build a population that fears us and looks for us in dark corners."
As a result, half of all American adults say they wouldn't date a bipolar person. Back when I dated Sara, I wasn't one of them. I'd read in Psychology Today that ninety percent of marriages involving a bipolar person end in divorce, but I figured that statistic applied to couples who were ill-informed about the illness, people who weren't prepared to meet it head-on. I also ascribed the figure to reporting bias: there were plenty of people out there who were bipolar and lived drama-free lives, and thus never made it into the statistics. Yet even with everything I knew about the disorder, I still constantly discovered new challenges, as basic as figuring out who my partner really was, as mundane as whether I should say something when she started cleaning the toilet bowl for the third time in a row.
Even in the most even-keeled people, dating can be a crisis between ideality and reality. We're constantly told that the key to successful dating is to be yourself. However, "when you have a psychiatric illness, it's a part of you," says a bipolar Brit who keeps a pseudonymous blog: Social Anxiety and Bipolar Diary of Annie. "You cannot tell where your personality ends and the illness begins."
Locating this gulf between personality and illness often falls to the significant other. "I find it difficult to realize when my daydreams cross a line into unhealthy hypomania," says Annie. "This is where I rely on my friends to put me right and stop me from getting carried away." The role of caregiver can strain any relationship. While Sara took her meds and saw her psychiatrist faithfully, she also neglected her physical health, leaving me with the choice between watching her eat nothing but popsicles all day long, or nagging her about it.
And as anyone would, she resented it when I played nutritionist. I eventually decided the only way to preserve the relationship was to let her do what she wanted. As her physical health seemed to deteriorate, I resisted temptations to call her doctor. But according to David Oliver, I should have. Oliver, who is not a psychiatrist, runs one of the internet's most popular sites on bipolar disorder, Bipolar Central. He launched his bipolar consulting business because he was dissatisfied with the professional care his bipolar mother received.
"There's a huge flaw in the system," says Oliver. "They give you fifteen minutes at the doctor, they forget to tell you there are ten to twelve different meds, or to warn you about the side effects you're experiencing."
That lack of professional supervision means people in relationships with bipolar individuals must step outside the normal boundaries, according to Oliver -- communicating with your boyfriend's doctor behind his back, for instance. Such actions have saved lives; they've also violated trust, and in the end, I found myself unable to tell where the line separating those two requirements was. "It has been my experience that some people [with a bipolar partner] use the disorder as their immunity card," says Danielle. "Nothing in the relationship is their fault because they're dating or married to a bipolar person." My relationship with Sara was filled with gray areas -- the popsicle issue, for instance -- in which I could never figure out the right thing to do.
Which is why some bipolar people prefer to date others with the same disorder. Thirty-seven-year-old librarian James Leftwich struggled for years with relationships because of his schizoaffective disorder -- essentially bipolar coupled with schizophrenia's delusions or hallucinations. Tired of being misunderstood by a population generally unfamiliar with his condition, he created NoLongerLonely.com, one of the few dating websites for the mentally ill. In four years, he says, the site has helped produce countless relationships and at least six marriages. But even for someone with a similar illness, another person's mental health is not an easy thing to be responsible for, and Leftwich says even he isn't sure he would use his own website right now. "Personally, I'm in a frame of mind where I'm not sure I want someone with a mental illness," he says.
On the other hand, an issue like bipolar disorder may encourage a healthy sense of compassion. When twenty-eight-year-old software engineer Jil told her husband about her illness on their very first date, she was happy that he seemed a little bewildered and had lots of questions -- it meant he cared. "I also wanted to be a better person because of him, and when I feel no other reason to swallow those pills that stabilize my mood, I do it for his sake, not just my own," says Jil.
It was a sunny Saturday morning. Just a few minutes earlier I'd been lying on the couch, reading one of the self-help books Sara had given me to help ease us through our crumbling relationship. Then, without warning, she stumbled out of the bathroom and collapsed on the floor. I think I would have lost it had she not regained consciousness a minute or so later, or if the paramedics had not arrived as quickly as they did. After I gave them the names of Sara's medications and watched them load her into the ambulance, I called her mother, a woman I'd only spoken to a few times. She received the news almost serenely. It wasn't the first time her daughter had been whisked off to the hospital.
Sara's wasn't an overdose, or a suicide attempt -- at least, not an overt one. I'd known Sara was severely anemic, that her pills had made her stomach bleed. For months I'd asked her what her doctors were doing about it, and she'd given me cheerful answers about iron infusions and blood transplants. I no longer believed her, but I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do. I researched her medications and learned all sorts of frightening things. One of them wasn't even indicated for her disorder; it was an epilepsy medication that the drug companies encouraged psychiatrists to use off-label.
But it was difficult for me to voice my reservations about her care. Sara liked hospitals. She loved Scrubs. She admired doctors, detested any criticism of the medical system, and talked about her psychiatrist as if he were a best friend. When she spent a night at a sleep-study clinic (she thought she was narcoleptic), she talked about it as if it were a slumber party. She kept getting into fender benders from falling asleep on the freeway, yet still insisted on driving to volunteer at the hospital that had saved her after her suicide attempt. It was more than simple gratitude, she admitted; the hospital's rituals made her feel safe and comfortable. She talked about it the way other people talk about visiting their grandparents.
When I told Sara what I'd learned about her medications, she told me she would rather die than get off of them, and pointed out that she knew the cost of them better than I did. She couldn't remember words, for instance -- she who had wanted to be a writer. But those pills had given her a reason to live. Did I know better than her doctors did? No, I supposed I didn't. I knew that for us to have a healthy relationship, though, I needed to trust her. The trouble was, I no longer did. At that moment, I decided I couldn't stay with Sara any longer.
That day, when I got to the hospital, I found her looking happier than I'd ever seen her. I was baffled. Five minutes earlier the doctor had informed us that her life was in danger if she didn't find some way to fix her anemia. But she seemed at peace now. That was the worst part about it -- in her hospital gown, sitting up on her austere gurney bed, she looked as if she were finally at home.
I have my own theory about relationships with the bipolar: the successful ones are those in which the relationship simply isn't in competition with the disease. Sara seemed to regard the illness as a more intimate part of her than I could ever understand -- not just a profoundly affecting experience, the way other serious diseases are, but almost the entire essence of her existence. In the end, I simply wanted there to be more.
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Posted by: partisan on Mar 13, 2008 1:59 AM
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A study of the NHI website, and the DSM IV, a knowledge of the patient's history, and an intimate daily observation of her behaviors, as well as people who had bipolar and other patients that had BPD, convinced me that the BPD diagnosis was unquestionably correct.
My partner matched the BPD diagnosis almost perfectly, yet misdiagnosis seems to be quite common. The therapy that is effective for one disorder is not as affective for the other. While Borderline Personality disorder is not widely known, and not always recognized by therapists, it is more common that bipolar or schizophrenia. The National Institute of Health says that BPD affects 2% of the population, and these are mostly women.
My partner's parents distanced themselves from her when she left their home for college, and prior to her relationship with me, all of the friends she managed to retain for any length of time also suffered from some form of mental illness. Pretty, intelligent, talented, she easily attracted men, but her moods and behaviors doomed the relationships to short terms.
"...the entire essence of her existence. In the end, I simply wanted there to be more."
I understand. Many who suffer from mental illness do define themselves by their illness and for those of us who do not, living with those who do can be very difficult. Perhaps impossibly so.
I must admit that when I was much younger - in my mid-thirties as she is, there was no way in hell I'd been able to put up with the stress of a companion's mood changes for very long. Do I stick with my BPD partner because as an old rooster I like having a young chick on my arm and in my bed? Many people think so. But I'm of an age when, after a long deadly marriage, I now much prefer a nice balance of solitude, and casual relationships. Prior to me my partner had no stable relationship and she was in and out of therapy and hospitals.
So why have I hung with this turbulent relationship for eight years? Well, l'm not going to stop war, end world poverty, or find a cure for cancer, but I can help a kind, decent, intelligent person who happens to have a brain disorder to be stable. From that I derive satisfaction, and that is reward enough that I no longer need more, even though I also might want "there to be more."
Several people out of every hundred suffer some sort of mental illness. It has been my observation that these people need love, kindness, friendship, and understanding far more than most of us, and are far less likely to get it.
Give them what you can: a smile, a word, a patient ear, some of your time. But understand, they don't want your advice, they just want you to listen. And if you find yourself living with such a person, be patient, be gentle, be kind. And good luck.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 13, 2008 4:44 AM
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It is highly important to remove the 'negative spin' and stigma attached to BPD as well as any of the plethora of 'dis-orders' enumerated, categorized, defined and inserted into our social realm. These are matters of degree and severity affecting ALL of us, some individuals more than others, they are part of the human conditions in a particular society and each one of us, to some degree or another, can exhibit tendencies, physical, mental and emotional, in a 'bi-polar' or any other directions.
It is an unfortunate thing that so many individuals placed into these categories are considered in the category of "illness". Many times, it is precisely individuals described in these ways who articulate incisive and poignant and very fundamental truths about our social living arrangements and who are the most sensitive to them. In a strange way, sometimes they can be considered the most 'healthy', if one listens closely and carefully.
As in all our social relations, all it takes is effort and a will to understanding -- and alas! these are in drastically short supply in vast sectors of this inward-directed and identity focused society of ours. Perhaps the real problem is not with those individuals with BPD or whatever; perhaps one must look in the 'healthy' majorities for answers?
So, loving is possible. Period.
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Posted by: Quest on Mar 13, 2008 4:56 AM
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Anyway, I'm still not the easiest person to live with. I'm still legally disabled and live on Social Security but I have a rich life filled with activities, healthy pursuits, a spiritual life that feeds my essence and supportive, wonderful friends and a support group that I assist in moderating for high functioning Bipolars who are also practicing pagans.
My husband and I had a tough first few years together once I moved in until we developed our own way to cope with my mini meltdowns when they happen. He knows when it would be time to call my therapist or the hospital. He knows the warning signs to look for and he and my family and closest friends are in touch and well equipped to do what's needed if I become too ill to make my own decisions. My family has seen m at my worst, my husband and some friends have only heard the stories.
But we are happy, we have found ways for the relationship to work within the parameters of what i don't consider an illnes any longer but that is a post for another time.
Thank you for a frank article! Perhaps I should write one of my own sometime from my perspective.
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Posted by: HappyAsImGoingToBe on Mar 13, 2008 10:43 AM
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Second, re the epilepsy drug used for bi-polar; if it's Tegretol, which I've taken for 20 years, it's by no means a misprescribed drug. I've had major depression all my life, and Tegretol has been a life saver.
Also, third. It really does help to be in a relationship with a person who has your same brain disorder. You understand each other intuitively and give each other the necessary slack or reassurance when it's needed. My wife and I are both major depressives, and we've been married for 37 years. It's the happiest marriage of anyone we know. It helps to know exactly what the other person is going through.
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Posted by: Libertine on Mar 13, 2008 11:54 AM
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She was terrific in bed, which is why I put up with her for so long, but she created chaos in every other aspect of my life, including running up my credit cards to the point where I had to declare bankruptcy.
There's no sex so great as to put up with the kind of havoc she wrought in my life ever again.
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Posted by: pamphyila on Mar 13, 2008 3:05 PM
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(1)Crazy women are usually great in bed
(2)Enjoying them that way & then abandoning them when the going gets tough isn't anything to be proud of.
(4) That said - bp isn't an excuse for reckless & irresponsible behavior. I see a lot of what is called bp actually gross emotional immaturity and/or the result of addiction. A bp has to try to be more balanced than a normie.
(5) BP happiness is possible - but sometimes it's not what you would wish. Stress makes bp worse & you have to realize that you need a quieter life - & resign yourself to taking drugs which do have side effects, like weight gain.
(6) The mental health care sys. in the USA stinks, and most of the care is DIY. That's why David Oliver & his info are so valuable! To get well, you have to be an extremely well-informed consumer and very assertive about how the medicines prescribed affect you. (Too often bps go off meds because they don't like the effects. But it's not all or nothing.) It is rather like being a diabetic who has to monitor levels all the time. You also have to go to therapy to deal with the problems of living with a chronic disorder.
(7) I, too had "relationships" that capitalized on my "up" sexuality & petered out during my downs. But that was gross physical passion, not LOVE. Now very happily married, after years of therapy and trying everything under the sun to achieve balance, I finally found a man who truly LOVES me & is willing to cope with the downs as well as the highs, and accept the total me. In my experience, too few modern men are very loving and giving. Historically there always have been stories of crazy women who dragged men down (see Of Human Bondage) & bp doesn't have to be the cause. But there is also an Irish tale of how a "madwoman" was restored to sanity by the passion of her love - & that can happen to - if there is a willingness on both sides! Lots of overly emotional behavior is born of a desperation, a terrible loneliness & pain. Nothing assuages that like true warmth & affection & loyalty.
(8) For a truer picture of people struggling with bp - go to Web MD's Bipolar Support Group to see what it's like when folks are WORKING on healing & coping. And to those struggling to achieve balance - Courage. I do think it can be done.
(9) Bp is a brain or neurological disorder, with a physical basis. The more we learn about the human brain, the more we will be able to deal with its plasticity. Pharmacology and mental health is still in its infancy - so don't expect mere pills to work miracle - just yet.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 13, 2008 8:53 PM
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For me the tragedy in this is the consequence of the medical/problem model of Bipolar. Sara is at home in the hospital and not outside of it. I see this all the time in fellow bipolars who intimately embrace the medical/problem model.
My wife has been with me for eighteen years. She has a love-hate relationship with the BP ride. For a long time is was more the hate aspect, for both of us. We were only able to discover the love part when we switched from the medical "illness" model to the adaptive/advantage model (See Tom Wootton and Thom Hartmann)
I fully agree with the comment by Weird Cake who says there are only stories of the craziness or the tragedy because they sell. Our story will never sell. In a market addicted culture, that's a tragedy because no one will ever be exposed to the reality of other outcomes.
Family grounds us biopolars and it also can kill us. But the nature of the adaptive/advantage model is that we learn to recognize our wiring and what it does and how it cycles and moves. The medical model always framed me as "ill" "disordered" to the point where I could see nothing else. Life was meds and side effects and the sadness of my wife. I was suicidal and only the birth of my first child could bring me back from the brink of the vortex down that dark alley. I stopped being suicidal when we switched models and I had to begin seeing myself as a real whole person, not sick, but wired a certain way through an adaptive gene, for the first time ever. I had to get to know my potential for excess and the warning signs, so did my wife. We had to learn a new vocabulary and reinvent our relationship to support this system. Meds are still a part, although they're not the typical big pharma kinds, and the reality is no insurance covers any of it. Putting the disorder into order has made a huge difference. The gift of being bipolar is that you know life and death intimately, you live as a warrior, a samurai and you constantly have to choose to live and be mindful always. This gives us a different sight, a different consciousness than a lot of people. Problems don't go away and neither do the excesses, but they have an infrastructure now for mediation and resolution rather than suicide and hospitals. Does my wife still curse bipolar? Sure, there are those times. But in her words, "The level of creativity and adaptability in a bipolar person vastly exceeds that of 'normal' people. When you learn to see their gift, the ride is higher quality and not as bad as it once was."
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 14, 2008 8:50 AM
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I would like to at least be his friend. My question is, should I try to pursue friendship, drop him an e-mail every so often and try to convince him I care very much as a human being (it is him that no longer has any interest in a relationship!) Or, would that just stress him out further? I don't want to do anything to cause him angst. Suggestions?
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Posted by: nfamous on Mar 14, 2008 8:56 AM
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I told my ex-best friend that I was bipolar last night for the third of fourth time and I think he finally gets that I'm not kidding. I manage it well and keep a positive realist attitude without medication. I do occasionally take St. John's wort. Anyway my ex-best friend was taken aback and immediately started describing someone else he knew like that and what a pain they were. What a fucking asshole to say that to me!!! Now you understand why he's my ex-best friend.
It's hard for bipolar people to trust anyone because your social life seems to be the same mistakes over and over again, regardless of how hard you try to avoid the same pitfalls. Some people make your condition even worse and I know how to recognize those and avoid them at all costs. I don't have to be happy all the time. I'm tired of so-called normal people that expect that. They aren't happy all the time. I think they think we are weak for not being able to just mentally snap out of our depression when it hits. That is sad because you don't ask someone with cancer to just snap out of their cancer.
In the end you do have to be yourself, just realizing that your normal self might be a bit much for someone not used to that. I temper what I say and do sometimes but I never fake my moods anymore to appear "normal" to others. I am everything that I am. I don't hate it. I embrace it and use it to live my life to its fullest. If others want to call me a wimp because they think I'm copping out to a fake disease, so be it. Walk a mile in a man's shoes.
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Posted by: skyblizzer on Mar 23, 2008 9:02 AM
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It's an unexplainable feeling.We just both knew we did'nt want anyone else.We are going to be getting married this year.We entered a contest to win a free wedding and hope we'll be the lucky couple chosen.My advice to others is to not give up and know that the right person for you is not always where your at,sometimes you have to go outside of your area to find your soulmate.
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Posted by: partisan on Mar 13, 2008 1:59 AM
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A study of the NHI website, and the DSM IV, a knowledge of the patient's history, and an intimate daily observation of her behaviors, as well as people who had bipolar and other patients that had BPD, convinced me that the BPD diagnosis was unquestionably correct.
My partner matched the BPD diagnosis almost perfectly, yet misdiagnosis seems to be quite common. The therapy that is effective for one disorder is not as affective for the other. While Borderline Personality disorder is not widely known, and not always recognized by therapists, it is more common that bipolar or schizophrenia. The National Institute of Health says that BPD affects 2% of the population, and these are mostly women.
My partner's parents distanced themselves from her when she left their home for college, and prior to her relationship with me, all of the friends she managed to retain for any length of time also suffered from some form of mental illness. Pretty, intelligent, talented, she easily attracted men, but her moods and behaviors doomed the relationships to short terms.
"...the entire essence of her existence. In the end, I simply wanted there to be more."
I understand. Many who suffer from mental illness do define themselves by their illness and for those of us who do not, living with those who do can be very difficult. Perhaps impossibly so.
I must admit that when I was much younger - in my mid-thirties as she is, there was no way in hell I'd been able to put up with the stress of a companion's mood changes for very long. Do I stick with my BPD partner because as an old rooster I like having a young chick on my arm and in my bed? Many people think so. But I'm of an age when, after a long deadly marriage, I now much prefer a nice balance of solitude, and casual relationships. Prior to me my partner had no stable relationship and she was in and out of therapy and hospitals.
So why have I hung with this turbulent relationship for eight years? Well, l'm not going to stop war, end world poverty, or find a cure for cancer, but I can help a kind, decent, intelligent person who happens to have a brain disorder to be stable. From that I derive satisfaction, and that is reward enough that I no longer need more, even though I also might want "there to be more."
Several people out of every hundred suffer some sort of mental illness. It has been my observation that these people need love, kindness, friendship, and understanding far more than most of us, and are far less likely to get it.
Give them what you can: a smile, a word, a patient ear, some of your time. But understand, they don't want your advice, they just want you to listen. And if you find yourself living with such a person, be patient, be gentle, be kind. And good luck.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 13, 2008 4:44 AM
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It is highly important to remove the 'negative spin' and stigma attached to BPD as well as any of the plethora of 'dis-orders' enumerated, categorized, defined and inserted into our social realm. These are matters of degree and severity affecting ALL of us, some individuals more than others, they are part of the human conditions in a particular society and each one of us, to some degree or another, can exhibit tendencies, physical, mental and emotional, in a 'bi-polar' or any other directions.
It is an unfortunate thing that so many individuals placed into these categories are considered in the category of "illness". Many times, it is precisely individuals described in these ways who articulate incisive and poignant and very fundamental truths about our social living arrangements and who are the most sensitive to them. In a strange way, sometimes they can be considered the most 'healthy', if one listens closely and carefully.
As in all our social relations, all it takes is effort and a will to understanding -- and alas! these are in drastically short supply in vast sectors of this inward-directed and identity focused society of ours. Perhaps the real problem is not with those individuals with BPD or whatever; perhaps one must look in the 'healthy' majorities for answers?
So, loving is possible. Period.
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Posted by: Quest on Mar 13, 2008 4:56 AM
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Anyway, I'm still not the easiest person to live with. I'm still legally disabled and live on Social Security but I have a rich life filled with activities, healthy pursuits, a spiritual life that feeds my essence and supportive, wonderful friends and a support group that I assist in moderating for high functioning Bipolars who are also practicing pagans.
My husband and I had a tough first few years together once I moved in until we developed our own way to cope with my mini meltdowns when they happen. He knows when it would be time to call my therapist or the hospital. He knows the warning signs to look for and he and my family and closest friends are in touch and well equipped to do what's needed if I become too ill to make my own decisions. My family has seen m at my worst, my husband and some friends have only heard the stories.
But we are happy, we have found ways for the relationship to work within the parameters of what i don't consider an illnes any longer but that is a post for another time.
Thank you for a frank article! Perhaps I should write one of my own sometime from my perspective.
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Posted by: HappyAsImGoingToBe on Mar 13, 2008 10:43 AM
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Second, re the epilepsy drug used for bi-polar; if it's Tegretol, which I've taken for 20 years, it's by no means a misprescribed drug. I've had major depression all my life, and Tegretol has been a life saver.
Also, third. It really does help to be in a relationship with a person who has your same brain disorder. You understand each other intuitively and give each other the necessary slack or reassurance when it's needed. My wife and I are both major depressives, and we've been married for 37 years. It's the happiest marriage of anyone we know. It helps to know exactly what the other person is going through.
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Posted by: Libertine on Mar 13, 2008 11:54 AM
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She was terrific in bed, which is why I put up with her for so long, but she created chaos in every other aspect of my life, including running up my credit cards to the point where I had to declare bankruptcy.
There's no sex so great as to put up with the kind of havoc she wrought in my life ever again.
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Posted by: pamphyila on Mar 13, 2008 3:05 PM
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(1)Crazy women are usually great in bed
(2)Enjoying them that way & then abandoning them when the going gets tough isn't anything to be proud of.
(4) That said - bp isn't an excuse for reckless & irresponsible behavior. I see a lot of what is called bp actually gross emotional immaturity and/or the result of addiction. A bp has to try to be more balanced than a normie.
(5) BP happiness is possible - but sometimes it's not what you would wish. Stress makes bp worse & you have to realize that you need a quieter life - & resign yourself to taking drugs which do have side effects, like weight gain.
(6) The mental health care sys. in the USA stinks, and most of the care is DIY. That's why David Oliver & his info are so valuable! To get well, you have to be an extremely well-informed consumer and very assertive about how the medicines prescribed affect you. (Too often bps go off meds because they don't like the effects. But it's not all or nothing.) It is rather like being a diabetic who has to monitor levels all the time. You also have to go to therapy to deal with the problems of living with a chronic disorder.
(7) I, too had "relationships" that capitalized on my "up" sexuality & petered out during my downs. But that was gross physical passion, not LOVE. Now very happily married, after years of therapy and trying everything under the sun to achieve balance, I finally found a man who truly LOVES me & is willing to cope with the downs as well as the highs, and accept the total me. In my experience, too few modern men are very loving and giving. Historically there always have been stories of crazy women who dragged men down (see Of Human Bondage) & bp doesn't have to be the cause. But there is also an Irish tale of how a "madwoman" was restored to sanity by the passion of her love - & that can happen to - if there is a willingness on both sides! Lots of overly emotional behavior is born of a desperation, a terrible loneliness & pain. Nothing assuages that like true warmth & affection & loyalty.
(8) For a truer picture of people struggling with bp - go to Web MD's Bipolar Support Group to see what it's like when folks are WORKING on healing & coping. And to those struggling to achieve balance - Courage. I do think it can be done.
(9) Bp is a brain or neurological disorder, with a physical basis. The more we learn about the human brain, the more we will be able to deal with its plasticity. Pharmacology and mental health is still in its infancy - so don't expect mere pills to work miracle - just yet.
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Mar 13, 2008 8:23 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 13, 2008 8:53 PM
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For me the tragedy in this is the consequence of the medical/problem model of Bipolar. Sara is at home in the hospital and not outside of it. I see this all the time in fellow bipolars who intimately embrace the medical/problem model.
My wife has been with me for eighteen years. She has a love-hate relationship with the BP ride. For a long time is was more the hate aspect, for both of us. We were only able to discover the love part when we switched from the medical "illness" model to the adaptive/advantage model (See Tom Wootton and Thom Hartmann)
I fully agree with the comment by Weird Cake who says there are only stories of the craziness or the tragedy because they sell. Our story will never sell. In a market addicted culture, that's a tragedy because no one will ever be exposed to the reality of other outcomes.
Family grounds us biopolars and it also can kill us. But the nature of the adaptive/advantage model is that we learn to recognize our wiring and what it does and how it cycles and moves. The medical model always framed me as "ill" "disordered" to the point where I could see nothing else. Life was meds and side effects and the sadness of my wife. I was suicidal and only the birth of my first child could bring me back from the brink of the vortex down that dark alley. I stopped being suicidal when we switched models and I had to begin seeing myself as a real whole person, not sick, but wired a certain way through an adaptive gene, for the first time ever. I had to get to know my potential for excess and the warning signs, so did my wife. We had to learn a new vocabulary and reinvent our relationship to support this system. Meds are still a part, although they're not the typical big pharma kinds, and the reality is no insurance covers any of it. Putting the disorder into order has made a huge difference. The gift of being bipolar is that you know life and death intimately, you live as a warrior, a samurai and you constantly have to choose to live and be mindful always. This gives us a different sight, a different consciousness than a lot of people. Problems don't go away and neither do the excesses, but they have an infrastructure now for mediation and resolution rather than suicide and hospitals. Does my wife still curse bipolar? Sure, there are those times. But in her words, "The level of creativity and adaptability in a bipolar person vastly exceeds that of 'normal' people. When you learn to see their gift, the ride is higher quality and not as bad as it once was."
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 14, 2008 8:50 AM
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I would like to at least be his friend. My question is, should I try to pursue friendship, drop him an e-mail every so often and try to convince him I care very much as a human being (it is him that no longer has any interest in a relationship!) Or, would that just stress him out further? I don't want to do anything to cause him angst. Suggestions?
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Posted by: nfamous on Mar 14, 2008 8:56 AM
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I told my ex-best friend that I was bipolar last night for the third of fourth time and I think he finally gets that I'm not kidding. I manage it well and keep a positive realist attitude without medication. I do occasionally take St. John's wort. Anyway my ex-best friend was taken aback and immediately started describing someone else he knew like that and what a pain they were. What a fucking asshole to say that to me!!! Now you understand why he's my ex-best friend.
It's hard for bipolar people to trust anyone because your social life seems to be the same mistakes over and over again, regardless of how hard you try to avoid the same pitfalls. Some people make your condition even worse and I know how to recognize those and avoid them at all costs. I don't have to be happy all the time. I'm tired of so-called normal people that expect that. They aren't happy all the time. I think they think we are weak for not being able to just mentally snap out of our depression when it hits. That is sad because you don't ask someone with cancer to just snap out of their cancer.
In the end you do have to be yourself, just realizing that your normal self might be a bit much for someone not used to that. I temper what I say and do sometimes but I never fake my moods anymore to appear "normal" to others. I am everything that I am. I don't hate it. I embrace it and use it to live my life to its fullest. If others want to call me a wimp because they think I'm copping out to a fake disease, so be it. Walk a mile in a man's shoes.
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Posted by: skyblizzer on Mar 23, 2008 9:02 AM
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It's an unexplainable feeling.We just both knew we did'nt want anyone else.We are going to be getting married this year.We entered a contest to win a free wedding and hope we'll be the lucky couple chosen.My advice to others is to not give up and know that the right person for you is not always where your at,sometimes you have to go outside of your area to find your soulmate.
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