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Sex and Relationships

What Kind of Adulterer Are You?

By Andy McSmith, Independent UK. Posted June 10, 2008.


There are 17 reasons people cheat, Mira Kirshenbaum says in her book "When Good People Have Affairs," and they're not all selfish or immoral.
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There are 17 basic reasons why someone who is not entirely selfish or immoral might have cheat on their spouse, says a new book by an eminent American therapist. Mira Kirshenbaum, clinical director of the Chestnut Hill Institute, in Boston, Massachusetts, has drawn some flak for suggesting in her new book that many adulterers are good, kind people, and that affairs can help a marriage.

She also advises husbands or wives who have affairs not to go home and own up, because discovery of the truth can cause more damage than concealment. She maintains that divorce may not be such a bad thing in some circumstances.

Having worked in psychotherapy for 30 years, Kirshenbaum is well known in the USA as an author and broadcaster. The child of holocaust survivors, she was born in Uzbekistan, and arrived in the USA at the age of four. She is now a grandmother.

So, what are those 17 reasons for two-timing your spouse? The list here is taken from Kirshenbaum's new book, When Good People Have Affairs, with her own brief explanations of what they mean. Meanwhile, the Independent has trawled world history to search for appropriate case histories.

Break out into selfhood

Kirshenbaum writes: "For a long time there are forces in your life that have opposed your being yourself, expressing yourself.

The affair is the best way you knew how to stand up for who you are." Virginia Woolf's husband, Leonard Woolf, is reckoned to have been more of a guardian than a lover. She broke out into a torrid affair with Vita Sackville-West, on whom she based the novel Orlando.

Accidental

Kirshenbaum writes: "You weren't looking for it ... but you were in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Vivienne Haigh-Wood married the poet T S Eliot weeks after they met. He later confessed: "To her, the marriage brought no happiness. To me, it brought the state of mind out of which came The Waste Land." But she does not seem to have intended to betray him quite so soon. It was just that Bertrand Russell happened to drop by.

Sexual panic

Kirshenbaum writes: "You feel your sexual powers are waning and in a kind of panic, you have an affair to prove you're still as sexually able as you were." The career of John Prescott was, outwardly, a story of success, the former ship's waiter who rose to be Deputy Prime Minister, but he never got over his sense of inferiority. In his sixties, he seduced Tracey Temple, a civil servant 26 years his junior.

Let's kill this relationship (and see if it comes back to life)

Kirshenbaum writes: "The idea is that once an affair is discovered it will deliver a blow that will either kill your relationship or make it stronger."

No sooner had Napoleon Bonaparte married Josephine than he was off to war, when rumours surfaced that she was having an affair. When he returned to France, she never cheated on him again.

Mid-marriage crisis

Kirshenbaum writes: "Without time and attention marriages get stale or feel full of problems, so ... you have an affair."

David and Victoria Beckham have done well to stay together. Plenty of women would not mind a turn with the footballer, and one or two claim to have had that experience. "No one said marriage was going to be easy," Victoria admitted.

Trading up

Kirshenbaum writes: "You've moved ahead in life but your spouse has stayed behind. Having an affair is your way of being with someone you think better matches your circumstances."

Horatio Nelson was an unknown young seaman when he met and married the widow, Frances Nisbet, who already had a son. Eleven years later, in 1798, he was a national hero, after winning the Battle of the Nile, and took up with Lady Emma Hamilton. Their affair was a national scandal, and the birth of their child had to be kept secret.

Heating up your marriage

Kirshenbaum writes: "Unconsciously, you're hoping that the affair itself or your spouse finding out about it will make things more passionate..." In 1907, President Woodrow Wilson's wife, Ellen, was suffering depression when Wilson met Mary Hulbert. Whether they had an affair is disputed, but the friendship caused Ellen pain. He introduced her to Ellen; the women shopped together, and the marriage revived.

I just needed to indulge myself

Kirshenbaum writes: "It may not be noble, but the fact is that you've been working so hard that an affair is the best way you know how to give yourself some pleasure."

Poor Monica Lewinsky is fated to be remembered for the rest of her life for the misjudgement she made at 21, as an intern in the White House, by allowing herself to be the latest in the line of women to reward Bill Clinton for all his hard work. "He talked about it as though I had laid it all out there for the taking. I was the buffet and he just couldn't resist the dessert," she said in her book on the affair, ghosted by Andrew Morton.

Ejector seat

Kirshenbaum writes: "You want out of your marriage but you're afraid to just quit, so you're hoping that an affair will end things for you - either your spouse will kick you out or your lover will give you the courage to quit."


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Slow newsday?
Posted by: whathaway on Jun 10, 2008 4:12 AM   
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still...the tidbits about famous people were interesting...

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» RE: Slow newsday? Posted by: counterpoint
An affair wouldn't be necessary
Posted by: sre on Jun 10, 2008 5:21 AM   
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Why deceive your spouse? Simply talk to (communicate) with him or her and open the marriage, agreeing that relations with others are ok.

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My goodness
Posted by: goeswithness on Jun 10, 2008 5:50 AM   
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What else IS one to do when Bertrand Russell drops by? Got me chuckling.

And yes, seeing myself, I admit.

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Really Alternet?
Posted by: everton9 on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 AM   
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This seems to be just a rationalization for extramarital sex. With all thats going on, does this really justify being in here right now?

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What?
Posted by: cominginsecond on Jun 10, 2008 6:45 AM   
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All of these reasons are immoral. There's no good reason for adultery. The only one close is unmet needs, and if your needs aren't being met, you work on the problem until they are, or get a divorce before you have sex with another person.

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» RE: What? Posted by: billgee
» RE: What? Posted by: boydranchitos
The reasons listed are in fact probably true
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jun 10, 2008 6:54 AM   
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The reasons listed are in fact probably true, but not everyone who feels the way the author describes actually has an affair. The reason that not everyone has affairs when they feel depressed or alienated from a spouse is because some people are less selfish and more morally aware, as well as also being able to look at the bigger picture and use critical thinking.

I believe that most people cheat when they should really be talking to thier partner about whatever it is that has caused them to feel like straying. If someone would rather cheat than face the problems in the relationship then that is not okay, and it suggests at the very least a serious level of immaturity. I do agree with the author though that just because one's cheated doesn't mean the thing to do is confess it. I think that confession is also often a selfish act that makes the cheater feel better while seriously wounding the cheated-on, paticularly if cheating wasn't suspected.

And opportunity arises indeed when one is in the wrong place with the right person, but opportunity doesn't inevitably translate into an affair. An affair can only happen because in that situation the spouse breaks his or her vows, and that is just plain wrong.

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i have begged my husband for YEARS to have an open relationship
Posted by: ptown on Jun 10, 2008 7:24 AM   
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i have begged my husband for YEARS to have an open relationship but he insists on monogamy. i have had numerous lovers and he was a virgin when we got married. what kind of man wouldn't want to have freedom to experiment??? most men on the planet would love a wife like me....so 11 years later, we're still in a monogamous partnership and he's still refusing to open it up. i need some romance and he's just a workaholic dweeb. suggestions?

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» Um? Posted by: supercrisp
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basic ethics
Posted by: vegan27 on Jun 10, 2008 7:57 AM   
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This looks like just one more person's attempt to deny the morality and responsibility of their own choices and actions. Adultery is a violation of trust. If you wouldn't want your spouse to cheat on you, isn't it unethical for you to do it to them? If cheating isn't immoral, why hide it from your spouse? This is really, really basic stuff, guys...

Conservatives accuse liberals of moral relativism and lack of individual responsibility. This article exemplifies some of the reasons why.

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» RE: basic ethics Posted by: GPFrank
This article answers the question of why so many people are single.
Posted by: mcubed on Jun 10, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Interesting article.
All the "reasons" seem to involve a lot of drama, desperation, and selfishness.

Thank goodness we live in a time when honesty is an option, and being single is possible both socially and economically, for both men and women.

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» Single and honest? Posted by: Black_Maria_2000
selfishness!
Posted by: ohjeezigotaids on Jun 10, 2008 10:32 AM   
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no matter how you sugar coat it, cheating on someone is selfish. you're acting to gratify yourself, with little thought to the partner you're ultimately hurting.

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» RE: selfishness! Posted by: pomes
This is the tabloid side of AlterNet
Posted by: DrJo on Jun 10, 2008 10:39 AM   
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I'm not sure why these National Enquirer type articles are included here. This is a ludicrous rationalization for cheating. I'm much more concerned with the fact that last night on CSPAN, Dennis Kucinich eloquently presented the House with 35 articles of impeachment and I can't find a word of it anywhere in the mainstream media.

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Historical Perspective
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 10, 2008 10:42 AM   
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I think it was Larry Niven who observed, "Technology defines morality."

When the bible was written, we didn't know where babies came from, we didn't know effective birth control, nor could we determine paternity. All those things contributed to the morality of monogamy.

The average life span was around thirty years. It makes a rather large difference to pledge 'till death do us part' when you're only pledging a decade or so vs. fifty years.

We've also diversified. There simply wasn't that much difference between one uneducated peasant and another in biblical times - today we have so many more choices available, and time to pursue different interests. We have choices in education, entertainment, career paths, etc. People can blossom into vastly different people.

All these things add up to suggest that maybe our view of marriage needs rework. It looks like we have a genetic predisposition to pair-bond, but maybe serial monogamy is the answer, or perhaps the idea of occasionally stepping out will gain social acceptance. A little 'vacation' from the same-o, same-o could make marriages last longer and be ultimately happier for both parties.

In any case, I doubt that we can use 6,000 year old superstitions to guide us in a world that didn't exist when they were first written down.

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People don't have affairs in a vacuum
Posted by: PaulK on Jun 10, 2008 11:19 AM   
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This article isn't a "slow news day". It's a statement that we're currently operating on an ill-thought-out "people are immoral" basis. Whenever we dismiss people as simply immoral, we have not tried to understand their thought processes. This guarantees that the next person will screw up in the same way, and the next person.

Look around. Half of all marriages are ending in divorce. Let the light bulb come on in your head. How is this good for millions of kids? Maybe we should do something productive about an epidemic of divorce and an epidemic of cheating. How about an epidemic of STDs?

For these reasons I'm pro-understanding. Furthermore, in this case I'm very much anti-belittler.

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17 reasons
Posted by: diane1 on Jun 10, 2008 12:04 PM   
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I did not read the book but the synopsis of Ms kirshenbaums book on 17 reasons for adultery is extremely shortsighted and self protective. Let's start with the premise that 2 people in a relationship agree to be monogamous, if the man or woman has an affair, wants to have an affair, the adult and proper thing to do to afford the other person the opportunity to do the same or move on,would be to talk about it,communicate the inciden t and what the action was based on. Communication and openness...can't lose..and if you do there's something to learn....in my way of thinking.

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» RE: 17 reasons Posted by: billgee
If I am to judge by the article,
Posted by: improperly_sedated on Jun 10, 2008 2:49 PM   
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we have here a tedious, shallow book on a topic both fascinating and rich.

Maybe next time. (And if I attached some historical anecdote, "maybe next time" could be number eighteen on the list.)

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Sex & Love
Posted by: billgee on Jun 10, 2008 4:11 PM   
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SEX IS THE KEYWORD

Love is the answer

SEX is just fun.

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» RE: Sex & Love Posted by: davmills
Goes to show
Posted by: abstractedaway on Jun 10, 2008 6:41 PM   
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Do feel free to explore the psychology, but I have no respect for people who betray the trust of their loved ones. I can respect polyamorists, and even people who have honest open relationships, although I'm positive I'm not wired the way they are. If you have a relationship not worth being faithful to, the responsible thing is to bow out.

I may identify as liberal, socialist even, but I despise the tone of this article. Personal honor matters all the more when you don't rely on superstitious moral frameworks. Your true colors will inevitably show anyway.

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I remain single because it's not in my nature to be monogamous
Posted by: Libertine on Jun 10, 2008 7:11 PM   
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I'm not the slightest bit monogamous, nor do I have any desire to be.

I decided long ago to remain single so I could live an openly non-monogamous life. It's much easier than entering into a monogamous marriage, then living a double life, alternating with trying to suppress my my essential nature and giving in to it.

If I were to settle down into any committed relationships, it would be openly polyamorous from the very beginning, as I have no intention of making any promises I have no intention or any real ability to keep.

Because when you get down to it, what cheating essentially is involves the breaking of a promise, more so than the extramarital sex itself. Because I never promise to be sexually exclusive at the beginning, I break no promises, thus my non-monogamy is not unethical, let alone "immoral".

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Geeeze, if I was an adulterer that would mean I was still having sex!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM   
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I mean having sex WITH someone. Right now it seems I ain't had sex since it had me. Complaining in the bitterness of my days will get me nowhere.

Good God! I just realized there are middle aged people who got that way(middle aged) since I last had sex! My son is doing way better than me and he has two adult children! My last adventure was about the same time he lost his virginity.

My only wife has been deceased so long that it would probably not count as adultery. I wish it would because that would mean she was sitll alive. If she were then I would definitely have reason to be an adulter because it would prove to her that it still works!

Why do people have considerations like this anyway. I was fine till someone (the author of this piece) pointed out I wasn't haveing any adultery. Fie upon this life where are my silk shirts!!!

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I quit the dating scene years ago
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jun 11, 2008 11:46 AM   
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and have been happily single ever since!

As someone who had trouble getting girls in my young days, and who went back to college and got rich in my thirties, and can attract any girl I want to now, I have simply no interest in dating anymore.

While in college I discovered there were so many more exciting avenues in life to explore. Literature, Art and Science are all fascinating to me and give me endless hours of entertainment. I spent most of my twenties chasing girls and drinking and smoking pot. Whenever I didn't pick up a girl at a bar or a disco, I got really drunk, went home pissed, and regularly caused trouble. Even worse was when one of my buddies got laid almost every time.

By thirty, I was stone cold sober and stone broke. And I felt lonely. I would have loved female companionship in this period of my life but none was to be had.

About this time something else changed. The Internet was just beginning and Internet Porn was a reality. I soon discovered the joys of newsgroups and before long I had so much porn I didn't need a woman anymore. Also, without drink and my bar friends, my ego had moved to the back seat.

Then I got accepted to college at 32 and graduated at 38. While in college, I was surrounded by gorgeous women, mostly in their twenties, many of whom would have gladly dated me.

Guess what? Between my studies and my porn collection, my needs were more than catered for. I was more concerned with paying my bills and getting exams than chasing the hottest babes on campus. Besides I had nothing in common with them anyway. I found most of their conversations boring.

Now I have graduated and have a well paying job. And I still use my porn collection. I have found it to be more satisfying in the long run, cheaper and keeps me out of trouble. Think of it: nobody ever got an STD from porn nor is anyone paying child support from looking at porn.

Not that I haven't tried dating. I have. I just feel it is too much trouble, too much compromise and too much wasted effort for the amount of fun I get out of it. I am tired of constantly "talking things over" every time I say something wrong. I like traveling to places to explore Art and History. I hate traveling with a partner and bringing our personal squabbles to some beautiful location. And if you think I need a "good woman" to "take care of me", think again. I put myself through college for six years without going into debt. I think I can look after myself thank you.

And don't even start me on all my divorced friends paying a lifetime of child support.

I could go on and on. Bottom line is this: we have way too many opportunities today to waste on frivolous things like relationships.

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» RE: I quit the dating scene years ago Posted by: nochicagoboys
There aren't that many, not even in this article
Posted by: WickedGrace on Jun 12, 2008 1:24 AM   
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"There are 17 basic reasons why someone who is not entirely selfish or immoral might have cheat on their spouse, says a new book by an eminent American therapist. Mira Kirshenbaum".

But too many of the seventeen listed are redundant to each other.

"Break Out Into Selfhood" and "Trading Up" are different sides of the same coin, and all too similar.

"Sexual panic" and "Do I still have it?" are just about identical, and "Having experiences I missed out on" is just a corollary of the second. "Mid-life crisis" is a blanket term for all of the preceding, in my view.

"Let's kill this relationship (and see if it comes back to life)" and "Ejector Seat" are simply close variations on a theme.

"Mid-marriage crisis" and "Heating up your marriage", ditto.

"See if" and "Surrogate therapy" could be different ways of saying the same thing. "Unmet needs" could be a way to describe either situation.

Distraction and "I just needed to indulge myself" don't seem different enough from each other to count separately.

Read with this in mind, the article seems to lack substance.

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Rubbish article.
Posted by: Livemike on Jun 13, 2008 4:59 AM   
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So "There are 17 basic reasons why someone who is not entirely selfish or immoral might have cheat on their spouse,"? Then how did "the ejector seat" get in the 17? It's completely immoral to betray a commitment just so you can make someone else end the relationship that created it.". Have some honesty, have some decency, have some compassion and just say "Hey this marriage is over, it's not working.".

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» RE: ubbish article. Posted by: badkitty68
When the Trust is a moving target after an affair
Posted by: focus on Jun 14, 2008 5:35 AM   
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I'm getting divorced. My husband didn't talk to me. He said I didn't ask him how I could make him happy when he was depressed. He said he deserved better. Poppycock!!! To him the truth is a moving target. If your spouse cheats and tries to justify it, you are living with someone who is capable of cheating again because they feel justified. If there is no effective communication and no effort on their part to understand how to sustain their marriage, divorce is probably the answer.

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Troubled Texan
Posted by: Troubled Texan on Jun 14, 2008 1:41 PM   
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Mira Kirshenbaum, clinical director of the Chestnut Hill Institute, in Boston, Massachusetts, has drawn some flak for suggesting in her new book that many adulterers are good, kind people, and that affairs can help a marriage.

I must say Mira Kirshenbaum is a flack. Anything to sell a book.

She also advises husbands or wives who have affairs not to go home and own up, because discovery of the truth can cause more damage than concealment. She maintains that divorce may not be such a bad thing in some circumstances.

"No matter how you sugar coat it, cheating on someone is selfish. you're acting to gratify yourself, with little thought to the partner you're ultimately hurting."

If you don't have the courage to live up to your responsibilities in a relationship you don't deserve the trust of your partner in that relationship.

Mira Kirshenbaum can site many histories where the man or woman betrayed his/her spouse.

That doesn't make it moral.

Troubled Texan

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When good people have affairs....
Posted by: papibear on Jun 14, 2008 1:51 PM   
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...it's still adultery.

Oh I know Mira Kirshenbaum has 17 reasons (and perhaps many, many more) why someone might cheat on their spouse, but since when does that excuse it?

I could come up with 17 reasons why a good, decent, normal person might want to put a bullet in Mira Kirshenbaum's forehead, but guess what? If I or anyone else did it, it'd still be murder. Would my bullshit justifications excuse my actions? Hardly.

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» RE: When good people have affairs.... Posted by: Troubled Texan
» RE: i second Posted by: boydranchitos
Thank Goodness, and begone!
Posted by: LB_AIA on Jun 14, 2008 3:10 PM   
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Well, good riddance, then. The dating pool does not need this kind of an individual, believe me.

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Give me 1 MN Reasons, I could care less about immorality, blah, blah, but you ....
Posted by: Turiye on Jun 14, 2008 7:44 PM   
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....damn lie to me I'll kick your ass. What is wrong anymore, misspoke, gaffe, surge, shit say it, damn it, say it. My husband cheated on me I could give a shit, I hated that he lied, if he would have said "Well it's getting so we have zero in common after 25 years so.....", but lie?? No, do not lie to me or steal from me. That pisses me off. There is no reason to cheat, it's cowardly and self-indulgent.
Truth is easy, it is said and done, unless you do it to ease your conscience causing the innocent party harm. If you talk honestly BEFORE you cheat, Hey don't let that unlocked door hit you in your ass....

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