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Maybe We Should Outsource Our Sex Education to Mexico
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It infuriates me that after all the work we put into gaining legal access to birth control decades ago, the information is again being withheld from young women. I remember the struggle: when I left home to go to college in Massachusetts in 1965, birth control devices and medications were still illegal for single women. I participated in civil disobedience actions led by the campaigner Bill Baird. He would speak in full auditoriums and then ask if there were any single women willing to receive contraception. When those of us working with Baird would go on stage to take a diaphragm from him, he'd be arrested, risking five years in the pokey. He fought in the courts and only in 1972 was the prohibition overturned.
"At present there does not exist any strong evidence that any abstinence program delays the initiation of sex, hastens the return to abstinence or reduces the number of sexual partners."
The repercussions of American Puritanism and Bush anti-sex policies are clear. Teen birth rates in America are double those of Canada, and seven times higher than Japan, Denmark and Sweden.
The only thing that does work, it turns out, is education that is comprehensive, examining everything from birth control to sexually transmitted diseases to abortion to varied sexualities. These programs are not funded by the federal government, despite the report showing that:
Meanwhile, many other countries are doing better than us. Just this week we read that Mexico City's Secretary of Education is starting to distribute 700,000 leaflets to high schools and universities that cover birth control, abortion and homosexuality, among other topics. Says Secretary Axel Didriksson:
"In contrast, the positive outcomes of comprehensive sexuality education programs included: delaying the initiation of sex, reducing the frequency of sex, reducing the number of sexual partners and increasing condom or contraceptive use."
Shame on rich America (although we do seem to be on the edge of economic collapse) for imposing restrictions on what can be taught about such a crucial subject. Shame on the right wing for ignoring the successes of other societies and for withholding vital tools from our young people.
"It's a book of prevention, teaching, and learning with respect to the development of the sexuality of young people and it addresses everything."
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 4, 2008 4:00 PM
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The government isn't capable of doing it right, and it shouldn't be doing it at all. There are many statistics showing the failure rate of abstinence only programs. However, you should notice that they don't show the failure rate of OTHER sex ed programs. Why not?
Because it is just as bad, thats why.
I hate to use the "E" word, but the entire concept behind having government run sex ed programs, is two forms of elitist thinking:
The first is "Sure, I'm a good parent, and I know that my kids are going to know what they need to know to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STDs, but everyone else is an idiot and not as enlightened as me, and needs the government to step in to this parental role for them".
The second is "Unwanted pregnancies happen because people didn't know how to prevent them".
Really? Come again? You sure? Do any of you know anyone, boy or girl, above the age of 12 that doesn't know about sex, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and contraception? I don't, and I live in one of the states with the worst schools in the nation (Florida).
Ok, thats my rant, and I hope you enjoyed it. My next topic will be on "AIDS AWARENESS" programs, and how they find the one or two people in the entire US that don't know about this disease, and why that money would be better spent on researching a cure.
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Posted by: bryangalt on Jun 4, 2008 9:42 PM
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My mother got pregnant with my older brother in 1962 while still in High School. There wasn't any organized health education classes that spelled out exactly what caused pregnancy. Even though she was 15, her mother had never told her what caused pregancy either. From their point of view, there was no reason to tell her because it wasn't even a possibility that she would need to know this information until she got married someday.
Well, after a six pack from a 21-yr old at a party, she got the crash course in sex education. When it was confirmed that she was pregnant, she was expelled from school and sent to juvenile detention for seven days. After she had her son, her parents took him away from her citing her age and basically treated her like she was dirt.
If that is the type of parental education that some commentaries are relying on to keep kids up to speed, then it will ultimately end in failure. As long as we continue to deny some of the basic laws of biology, the schemes to control sexual behavior in teenagers will always be laughable in their idiocy.
If we all haven't figured out that it is quite literally impossible to prevent teens from having sex, then we are most likely the winner of the stupidist organism on our planet award. Nature's design (or God's if you swing that way) sets the timing for reproduction while we are young and healthy so that our pathetic species has a better chance of survival.
God or his agents here on Earth, seem to believe that this should be an act of secrecy, something that is done behind two locked doors, with the lights out and with both sets of lips closed as much as possible (yes, a pun was intended).
As long as the Agents continue to believe that sex is something dirty, there is no way in hell any real education programs are going to make any headway, thus leaving teenagers to learn about sex from their friends (especially the hot ones), the internet porn sites (definitely better than the Sears catalog), and from what they hear from their peers.
Parents don't want to believe that little Susy is out on the town banging half the football team, so why would they need to discuss sex with their little angel?
Hmm, perhaps childbirth, syphillis, AIDS, hepatitis, clamadia, genital warts, herpes, and a few others come to mind...and I personally hate it when someone I know leaves a crab or two on the toilet seat...
One day, when the United States finally outgrows its infantile fascination with religious dogma, which some of us love to invoke for every occasion, and recognize that it can NEVER CONTROL the MUCH MORE POWERFUL FORCE OF NATURE'S ENGINES, our young people may actually learn something that will prevent them from becoming premature deaths due to disease.
Of course, even the threat of disease won't stop that banging in the back seat, or the backyard while the parents are in bed, or the bed while the parents are at work, but as the butter commercial stated accurately, "you can't fool mother nature (and you can't fight her either-she is a crafty one and she will always win)"
Therefore the plan must take into account the realities of youthful hormones, horniness and enthusiasm for newfound ways to piss off your parents if they are to ever be effective enough to make a difference.
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 AM
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The teacher said;
"Do you realise how much your parents suffer to pay your education????
And after finishing school and meeting the right person to marry your husband has to pay to your parents a dot (equivalent of 6 monthes to a years salary) because they raised you and you are still a virgin.
Is there any girl so bad to loose this treasure for just some lust???
"No, sir teacher" shouted all the gorgious teenagers.
And how about the Islamic cultures???
Having sex without parents consent leads to murder....
Acting against nature is a tactic of the Rich to control the working class.
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Sushi
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Posted by: suzieck on Jun 5, 2008 5:18 AM
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Posted by: Libsrule on Jun 5, 2008 11:32 AM
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THEN they lied about the results claiming they were overwhelming success when real studies showed just the opposite.
HOW can anyone vote republican is beyond me. It is the party of lies and exclusion and in particular the part of regression.
The party of power through fear.
WHAT is wrong with people who vote republican?
Is it a mental illness?
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Jun 5, 2008 1:06 PM
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We get it already! Abstinince only sex ed sucks! (so does regular sex ed, but I'm sick of arguing that.)
Can we please, move on to a different topic?
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Posted by: Arlene on Jun 5, 2008 1:09 PM
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Their favorite method of population control is to let natural disasters like Katrina, earthquakes, etc. and armed conflict cull the weak, sick and elderly. Those remaining can be trafficked into sweat shops, the sex trade, stoop labor and drafted into the military.
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Posted by: plantland on Jun 5, 2008 2:11 PM
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Mexico does a LOT to educate people of various ages, not just public schools.
For example, TV characters on soap operas use protection!
Here, the Catholic church sanctuary movement which does so much to welcome illegal immigrants also forbids birth control . Almost as if they have an agenda - overturning Roe Wade at the ballot, while advocating for amnesty.
It is a shame that we have passed the tipping point on population, global warming, and food and water resources.Large families have a lovely way of loving and looking out for one another. Praising Mexican children, George Bernard Shaw once said that all the world's children should be required to be Mexican.
The trick must be for us to be neighborly, without producing our own broods.
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Posted by: Joe on Jun 5, 2008 6:25 PM
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alternet and these other liberal sites have to making money off the ads they run. put up or shut up.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 5, 2008 10:00 PM
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Mexico, however, is doing quite well, thank you. Their chamber of deputies even seems a lot more progressive at times than our own pols in D.C. Members even tried to legalize drug use (or at least decriminalize many drugs, including pot), but pressure from the U.S. caused the legislation to fail. Look what the Mexicans have on their hands as a result: an all-out war on drugs that has killed thousands on both sides of the law, especially on the border.
Wake up, people: narcotrafficking would cease if some drugs were legalized, regulated and taxed like alcohol, the profits used to finance treatment programs, anti-drug commercials, and other sensible, secular ways to deal with the problem.
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Posted by: Artra on Jun 5, 2008 11:55 PM
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Could any one explain me that?
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Posted by: socrates2 on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 PM
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The real evil is the culling for profit by the ruling class of the spiritually weak and stupid who fall for words and ideologies and "patriotic games." Easily and cynically, the ruling class invoke the word "courage" and those who _lack authentic courage_ (and/or the emotional wherewithal) to say "no" join Johnny and march away to the killing fields and kill and die in our names.
And the profits roll in. So, if a nation breeds too many citizens thanks to its religious fanatics who don't believe in population control, the profiteers will assist mother nature in the winnowing process. For a profit. Ain't wars grand?
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 4, 2008 4:00 PM
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The government isn't capable of doing it right, and it shouldn't be doing it at all. There are many statistics showing the failure rate of abstinence only programs. However, you should notice that they don't show the failure rate of OTHER sex ed programs. Why not?
Because it is just as bad, thats why.
I hate to use the "E" word, but the entire concept behind having government run sex ed programs, is two forms of elitist thinking:
The first is "Sure, I'm a good parent, and I know that my kids are going to know what they need to know to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STDs, but everyone else is an idiot and not as enlightened as me, and needs the government to step in to this parental role for them".
The second is "Unwanted pregnancies happen because people didn't know how to prevent them".
Really? Come again? You sure? Do any of you know anyone, boy or girl, above the age of 12 that doesn't know about sex, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and contraception? I don't, and I live in one of the states with the worst schools in the nation (Florida).
Ok, thats my rant, and I hope you enjoyed it. My next topic will be on "AIDS AWARENESS" programs, and how they find the one or two people in the entire US that don't know about this disease, and why that money would be better spent on researching a cure.
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» Your lack of proof is disturbing...
Posted by: ahmlco
» Sweden's sex ed program is under attack from religous conservatives
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» RE: Sweden's sex ed program is under attack from religous conservatives
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» What is wrong with people in the US when they outright lie about Sweden's greatness?
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» know anyone...that doesn't know about sex? Yes!
Posted by: dkm
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Posted by: bryangalt on Jun 4, 2008 9:42 PM
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My mother got pregnant with my older brother in 1962 while still in High School. There wasn't any organized health education classes that spelled out exactly what caused pregnancy. Even though she was 15, her mother had never told her what caused pregancy either. From their point of view, there was no reason to tell her because it wasn't even a possibility that she would need to know this information until she got married someday.
Well, after a six pack from a 21-yr old at a party, she got the crash course in sex education. When it was confirmed that she was pregnant, she was expelled from school and sent to juvenile detention for seven days. After she had her son, her parents took him away from her citing her age and basically treated her like she was dirt.
If that is the type of parental education that some commentaries are relying on to keep kids up to speed, then it will ultimately end in failure. As long as we continue to deny some of the basic laws of biology, the schemes to control sexual behavior in teenagers will always be laughable in their idiocy.
If we all haven't figured out that it is quite literally impossible to prevent teens from having sex, then we are most likely the winner of the stupidist organism on our planet award. Nature's design (or God's if you swing that way) sets the timing for reproduction while we are young and healthy so that our pathetic species has a better chance of survival.
God or his agents here on Earth, seem to believe that this should be an act of secrecy, something that is done behind two locked doors, with the lights out and with both sets of lips closed as much as possible (yes, a pun was intended).
As long as the Agents continue to believe that sex is something dirty, there is no way in hell any real education programs are going to make any headway, thus leaving teenagers to learn about sex from their friends (especially the hot ones), the internet porn sites (definitely better than the Sears catalog), and from what they hear from their peers.
Parents don't want to believe that little Susy is out on the town banging half the football team, so why would they need to discuss sex with their little angel?
Hmm, perhaps childbirth, syphillis, AIDS, hepatitis, clamadia, genital warts, herpes, and a few others come to mind...and I personally hate it when someone I know leaves a crab or two on the toilet seat...
One day, when the United States finally outgrows its infantile fascination with religious dogma, which some of us love to invoke for every occasion, and recognize that it can NEVER CONTROL the MUCH MORE POWERFUL FORCE OF NATURE'S ENGINES, our young people may actually learn something that will prevent them from becoming premature deaths due to disease.
Of course, even the threat of disease won't stop that banging in the back seat, or the backyard while the parents are in bed, or the bed while the parents are at work, but as the butter commercial stated accurately, "you can't fool mother nature (and you can't fight her either-she is a crafty one and she will always win)"
Therefore the plan must take into account the realities of youthful hormones, horniness and enthusiasm for newfound ways to piss off your parents if they are to ever be effective enough to make a difference.
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 AM
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The teacher said;
"Do you realise how much your parents suffer to pay your education????
And after finishing school and meeting the right person to marry your husband has to pay to your parents a dot (equivalent of 6 monthes to a years salary) because they raised you and you are still a virgin.
Is there any girl so bad to loose this treasure for just some lust???
"No, sir teacher" shouted all the gorgious teenagers.
And how about the Islamic cultures???
Having sex without parents consent leads to murder....
Acting against nature is a tactic of the Rich to control the working class.
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Posted by: Libsrule on Jun 5, 2008 11:32 AM
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THEN they lied about the results claiming they were overwhelming success when real studies showed just the opposite.
HOW can anyone vote republican is beyond me. It is the party of lies and exclusion and in particular the part of regression.
The party of power through fear.
WHAT is wrong with people who vote republican?
Is it a mental illness?
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Jun 5, 2008 1:06 PM
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We get it already! Abstinince only sex ed sucks! (so does regular sex ed, but I'm sick of arguing that.)
Can we please, move on to a different topic?
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Posted by: Arlene on Jun 5, 2008 1:09 PM
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Their favorite method of population control is to let natural disasters like Katrina, earthquakes, etc. and armed conflict cull the weak, sick and elderly. Those remaining can be trafficked into sweat shops, the sex trade, stoop labor and drafted into the military.
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Posted by: Romans1 on Jun 5, 2008 1:53 PM
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Posted by: plantland on Jun 5, 2008 2:11 PM
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Mexico does a LOT to educate people of various ages, not just public schools.
For example, TV characters on soap operas use protection!
Here, the Catholic church sanctuary movement which does so much to welcome illegal immigrants also forbids birth control . Almost as if they have an agenda - overturning Roe Wade at the ballot, while advocating for amnesty.
It is a shame that we have passed the tipping point on population, global warming, and food and water resources.Large families have a lovely way of loving and looking out for one another. Praising Mexican children, George Bernard Shaw once said that all the world's children should be required to be Mexican.
The trick must be for us to be neighborly, without producing our own broods.
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Posted by: Joe on Jun 5, 2008 6:25 PM
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alternet and these other liberal sites have to making money off the ads they run. put up or shut up.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 5, 2008 10:00 PM
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Mexico, however, is doing quite well, thank you. Their chamber of deputies even seems a lot more progressive at times than our own pols in D.C. Members even tried to legalize drug use (or at least decriminalize many drugs, including pot), but pressure from the U.S. caused the legislation to fail. Look what the Mexicans have on their hands as a result: an all-out war on drugs that has killed thousands on both sides of the law, especially on the border.
Wake up, people: narcotrafficking would cease if some drugs were legalized, regulated and taxed like alcohol, the profits used to finance treatment programs, anti-drug commercials, and other sensible, secular ways to deal with the problem.
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Posted by: Artra on Jun 5, 2008 11:55 PM
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Could any one explain me that?
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Posted by: socrates2 on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 PM
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The real evil is the culling for profit by the ruling class of the spiritually weak and stupid who fall for words and ideologies and "patriotic games." Easily and cynically, the ruling class invoke the word "courage" and those who _lack authentic courage_ (and/or the emotional wherewithal) to say "no" join Johnny and march away to the killing fields and kill and die in our names.
And the profits roll in. So, if a nation breeds too many citizens thanks to its religious fanatics who don't believe in population control, the profiteers will assist mother nature in the winnowing process. For a profit. Ain't wars grand?
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