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Sexpot Virgins: The Media's Sexualization of Young Girls

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted May 24, 2008.


Professor M. Gigi Durham discusses the corporate media's sexual objectification of girls and how to help young women fight regressive media messages.
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In 2006, the retail chain Tesco launched the Peekaboo Pole Dancing Kit, a play set designed to help young girls "unleash the sex kitten inside."

Perturbed parents, voicing concern that their 5-year-olds might be too young to engage in sex work, lobbied to have the product pulled. Tesco removed the play set from the toy section but kept it on the market.

As M. Gigi Durham points out in The Lolita Effect: The Media Sexualization of Young Girls and What We Can Do About It, Tesco's attempt to sell stripper gear to kids is just one instance of the sexual objectification of young girls in the media and marketplace. Some of the many other examples include a push-up bra for preteens, thongs for 10-year-olds bearing slogans like "eye candy," and underwear geared toward teens with "Who needs credit cards ... ?" written across the crotch.

Targeted by marketers at increasingly younger ages, girls are now being exposed to the kind of unhealthy messages about sexuality that have long dogged grown women. Girls are told that their worth hinges on being "hot," which in mainstream media parlance translates into thin, white, makeupped and scantily clad. Meanwhile, acting on their sexual impulses earns them the epithet "slut." Teen magazines advise girls on how to tailor their look and personality to please boys (in order to entrap them in relationships). Advertisements present violence toward women as sexy.

According to Durham, the regressive messages about sexuality that circulate in mainstream media hamper the healthy sexual development of kids and teens.

Durham's critique does not end with the corporate media. She also faults adults for failing to engage in reasonable, open dialogue with teens about sex -- thus leaving the sexual education of young people to a media primarily concerned with generating profit, as opposed to, say, selflessly helping young people develop healthy ideas about sexuality.

AlterNet talked to Durham on the phone about the sexual objectification of girls in the media and how to help them challenge regressive messages about their sexuality.

What's the "Lolita Effect," and why is it harmful?

The Lolita Effect is the media's sexual objectification of young girls. In the Nabokov novel the protagonist, who is 12 years old at the start of the book, is the object of desire for Humbert Humbert the pedophile. In the book you're put into the mind of the predator; Lolita, in Humbert's view, initiates the sex and is very knowledgeable and all that. Nowadays the term Lolita has come to mean a little girl who is inappropriately sexual, wanton, and who sort of flaunts her sexuality and seduces older men. I'm very critical of that construction in the novel and in real life because little girls can't be held responsible in this way. They're not born with the understanding or intention of seducing older men, and the burden of responsibility can't be placed on children. They're just too young to knowingly enter into these kinds of relationships. The Lolita Effect is the way our culture, and more importantly our corporate media, have constructed these little "Lolitas" by sexualizing them and marketing really sexualized items of clothing and behaviors to them -- constructing them as legitimate sexual actors when they aren't.

In your book you talk about how over the past 50 years female sex symbols have gotten a lot younger. In the 1950s you had people like Elizabeth Taylor and Marilyn Monroe, who reached the peak of their popularity in their mid- to late 20s. Now there are 12-year-old models. What accounts for this shift?

That's interesting, isn't it? Marilyn Monroe was 27 when she starred in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. It's a lot easier for me to accept someone pushing 30 as a sexual being. What accounts for this shift? I can make educated inferences even though of course we have no hard data about what actually caused it. Part of it is that marketers caught on, somewhere in the 1990s, which was a very prosperous time economically in the United States especially, that young kids, tweens and children had a lot of disposable income and were spending a lot of money. Last year the market research firm Euromonitor said that worldwide tween spending reached 170 billion dollars. I think a large part of it was the marketers' realization that they could cultivate cradle-to-grave consumers by targeting very young kids by getting them to buy into the frames that older women have been persuaded to buy into for a long time, such as trying to achieve unattainable bodies and present themselves as highly desirable to men. They could get little girls to start consuming cosmetics and fashion and even diet aides at very young ages and then hold onto them for longer. So I think a lot of it was a marketing impulse.

I think there are a few other factors at work as well. Women have entered the public sphere more and more and have become much more accomplished and successful in the workplace and economically and in terms of assertiveness within their relationships. Little girls still represent a traditional version of femininity: They're docile, they're passive, they're easily manipulated, and I think that's being held up as an ideal of femininity, which to me is kind of scary.

One of the marketing messages geared toward young girls is the idea that being "hot" and "eye candy" for boys is of paramount importance. How does this emphasis on "hotness" hinder girls' development of healthy ideas about sexuality?

Let me say first that I think sex is great. I think sex is a wonderful, totally natural part of growing up. I think children are sexual -- and that's not just me; all of the research points to that. Adolescents are trying to understand their sexuality. And I do think that wanting to be sexually desirable is part of being a human being.

But at the same time this construction of "hotness" is rigidly and narrowly defined by the media. And there's so much emphasis placed on it that it becomes the only thing that's important in girls' lives -- or at least that's what the media would have you believe. Because achieving the mainstream media's version of "hotness" demands being a consumer.

If you're trying to be "hot" in the ways that they prescribe -- conforming to a specific body type, wearing a certain type of clothing -- of course you are going to be spending a lot of money trying to achieve it. So there are problems with it. For one thing, it negates and devalues all of the other aspects of a girl's personality. Sex is good, but it's one aspect of being a human being. A lot of other things are equally important, like your intelligence, creativity, spirituality and community involvement. All of these things are equally important in terms of being a fully fledged human being. But in many media, girls are told that only being hot matters. So it can warp them into skewed, one-dimensional people, where all these other aspects of their personalities aren't being developed. So that hampers them, as people.

In terms of sexuality, they can't experience their sexuality fully and joyfully and individually and diversely because they're being held up to this very narrow, very restrictive definition of what sexiness is about. So I think it's problematic on both of those fronts.

Can you talk about the idea that girls have to be "hot" but not "sluts"? Why do you think that this is such a deeply ingrained, pervasive construct?

That's not new. Girls have had to walk that line for quite a while now, where the emphasis is on being sexually desirable but immediately being condemned if they actually act on their desire. Girls are expected not to have desires of their own. The scholar Deborah L. Tolman identified this -- she called it "the missing discourse of girls' desire" -- I think sometime in the mid-'80s. This has been a problem for girls and women all along: They have not been allowed to express their own interest in sex or express their own desires or seek their own pleasure for quite a long time. … It's a terrible mixed message, and it's almost impossible to achieve it -- to walk around projecting desirability but to never be able to act on it, never be allowed to engage in it. One of the other problems is that because of this idea, girls aren't given good information about actual sexual activity. They are not given information to make them understand the risks and responsibilities, how to be in control, protect themselves against STDs, unintended pregnancies -- that's missing from the way they understand sex.

Is there a comparable set of messages about sexuality aimed at boys?

It's not as pervasive. Here's what I think about boys. I think they're getting a lot of messages about girls as sexual objects, in music videos and in video games. In most of the media targeted to teens and even to tweens, girls are always presented as eye candy and sexual objects. Both boys and girls are getting that message. Now, the message that boys are getting about sexuality and masculinity is that male sexuality is predatory, often violent and not emotionally engaged. Those are problematic constructions too. But in the end, girls bear the brunt of those constructions because they give boys an awful lot of power. They don't really put boys in vulnerable positions; they put boys in more powerful positions. In the end it harms both boys and girls. They are not getting good information. They're not getting an ethical, mutual understanding of sex and sexuality, where it's about consensus and cooperation and understanding each other on some human level. It's all about predation and submission.

You emphasize throughout the book that girls are not zombified, unthinking consumers of media but tend to be very critical of media representations. So to a certain extent, these offensive images and messages must resonate with the desires of many girls. How do we deal with the fact that sometimes sexuality isn't very P.C.?

In the sense of wanting to adopt some of these (sexual) costumes and things like that? I think there is a playful side to it. And I'm not criticizing out of hand. I'm not saying that girls shouldn't wear makeup or high heels. I don't think any of that is true. Because I do think that there is a lot of fun and playfulness involved in some of that. But I do think that girls need to think about it and to make sure that what they're doing is intentional and is making them feel good about themselves and good about their bodies and knowing that they have a lot of different choices. If they want to adopt a certain type of costuming one day that's OK, but they can go out in their baseball hats and blue jeans another day. They should be allowed to make informed choices about how to present themselves to the world, and they need to understand the consequences of those presentations. I think we need to have a lot of discussion about that with girls, just as long as it doesn't become a type of obsession that limits their views of what it means to be a girl.

The other side of it for me is that they should always feel like they're safe when they do that. As long as they feel like they're making choices that don't put them in a bad position, and also the adults around them don't feel like they're putting themselves in a vulnerable position. But one of the problems is that for many, many girls those choices are not completely safe, especially if they are in a situation where they could be at physical risk. We just need to be thinking really hard about how they're choosing to make these kinds of moves.

In the book you describe yourself as a pro-sex feminist. How did this perspective inform your approach to the topic?

It was very important to me not to be moralizing and coming across like I was policing or repressing girls' sexuality. I wanted to make it clear from the start that sex is a good thing and a really normal part of being a human being, and that we ought to acknowledge that children and teenagers are sexual and we shouldn't draw back in horror. One of the problems for me is that in the U.S. we have such a puritanical view of sex -- we absolutely refuse to talk about it, we don't have good sex-ed in schools, we don't give kids straightforward, accurate information about sex.

I wanted to, in a way, redefine the term pro-sex. I'm pro healthy, progressive ideas about sex. And I'm totally opposed to regressive or restrictive ideas about sex. I think that's a little different from the way it's normally defined.

You discuss how conservatives as well as progressives often talk about the wrong things and jump to faulty conclusions about young people's sexuality. What are some of the things that both sides get wrong, and what's a good middle ground?

One of the things that at least one of the sides gets wrong is this abstinence-only business. Realistically, it's really hard to stop kids from thinking about and experimenting with sex. That doesn't mean that I think 12-year-olds ought to run out and have sex. But only and always making it taboo, wrong, scary, terrible is going to mean that children don't feel like they have the safe spaces in which to express sexual feelings and ask the kinds of questions they need to ask to get the information they need. A lot of studies show that kids in the U.S. don't know where to go for contraception, for example. They don't know where to get counseling if something goes wrong. They don't know how to express their needs in sexual encounters -- their comfort levels of where to stop and things like that. I think it's a problem that we don't have a matter-of-fact approach to sex and treat it like a normal part of public health and humanity and talk about it a lot more.

But on the other hand, on the more liberal side, there's this "anything goes" attitude where "it's all great" and we should never say anything about it because somehow that translates into being anti-sex or being repressive or for censorship. I don't think that is true either. I think we need to understand that sometimes critique is necessary, that children are children and that they need some guidance and that caring adults do have a role to play in terms of helping them through these really difficult issues that are very hard for kids to navigate on their own. So I think there are problems on both sides. I don't think we should say anything goes, and I don't think we should police kids.

In terms of the pro-abstinence crowd, there seems to be a lot more outrage over things connected to sexual health, like the HPV vaccine, sex-ed, and condoms in schools, than there is about sexual media images.

Yes, absolutely, which is crazy and hypocritical. That's really at the core of what I'm writing about. We applaud all of these sexualized representations out there that I think in the end are very exploitative and really regressive. But then we won't deal in a straightforward way with the real-world issues that need to be addressed, like children understanding contraception and understanding STDs. So it's just nuts that the abstinence-only movement turns a blind eye to the really problematic representations of sexuality in the public sphere.

Why do you think that is? Do people just not realize how influential media are?

There might be some of that. Sometimes people dismiss the media as being unimportant or trivial or just entertainment with no impact whatsoever. For people that study the media, it's clear that it's not just background noise, that we live in a media-saturated environment, that media shape our understanding of the world. So I don't think that we should just dismiss it. I think that we ought to take media seriously.

Do you think that these media images are consonant with regressive attitudes about sexuality?

I think so. It's awfully hard to pinpoint causality, but certainly in some ways media reflect cultural, very patriarchal attitudes, where women are sexual objects and nothing more, and only certain types of bodies are presented as sexual. But at the same time, media are recirculating and reinforcing these attitudes. So there's a vicious cycle going on. For example, with violence against women: I completely understand the argument that these media reflect and in some ways are cathartic because they represent these social problems. But then at the same time they're recirculating them and reinforcing them.

What do you think about the controversy over the new “Grand Theft Auto” game?

I do have issues with violent video games, because the way gender is presented reinscribes these really traditional and polarized views of masculinity and femininity, where men are violent aggressors and the women are almost always presented as sex workers -- they're always strippers or prostitutes. So there are almost no women with agency or power, who can command actual respect from men. And again, there aren't men who could work things (nonviolently), for example. So I definitely don't see them as progressive representations.

Can you talk a little more about the profit motive in media that in part drives these regressive representations of sexuality and sexiness?

That's a really key point in my argument. The media are for-profit enterprises, and we need to recognize that from the start. Whatever they do to represent any aspect of human experience, it's going to be connected to generating revenue. When they represent sex and sexuality, very obviously it's going to have a commercial motivation behind it. So we get these definitions of sexuality that are yoked to consumerism, and sexuality is only represented in a way that will stimulate consumption. So they're not acting in girls' best interests, and they're not acting in society's best interests; they're acting to generate profits. We ought to understand that however media represent sexuality is not going to be in ways that is good for anybody but the corporations!

What happens, though, is that media are influential in teaching kids about sex. There are studies indicating that because we don't have discussions about sex anywhere else in society -- most kids don't get it at school, most of them don't get it at home -- kids get a lot of their sexual understanding from the media. So they're going to only get corporate representations. They're not going to get alternative ideas about sexuality or counter-messages or scripts that could challenge some of those types of representations.

You also make the point that we can't blame everything on the media. What do you think of the tactics of conservative watchdog groups like the Parents Television Council?

Some of them are very censorious in their approach. I think there are some watchdog groups that are really helpful. One group I go to a lot is Common Sense Media, because I think their movie reviews are good and fair and they give you a lot of information so that you can make decisions about the media. But others are really inclined to repress representations in ways that I think are problematic. So I think we ought to be careful about that. I'm totally opposed to censorship. But I do think that parents could, and should, monitor their kids' media consumption, because not everything is appropriate for children of all ages. Even recently in my own life I've seen little kids traumatized by watching violent media. But you can't keep kids in a bubble forever. As they get older, they're going to be exposed to these things, and the most helpful thing that anyone can do is talk about what's going on in the media with children and offering them ways to maintain distance and be critical of these representations and understanding the selling intentions behind them and all of those things. But I know that not all parents or counselors or teachers are informed enough about media studies or media literacy to be able to bring these things up or to offer these perspectives.

So one of the things I argue for in the book is media literacy education in the schools. I really think that in this world it's as important as reading and writing, maybe even more important, for kids to understand the media.

But there's probably about as much funding for that as there is for sex-ed.

Yeah, totally. At the same time I think parents can go to these watchdog organizations, but to use their own judgment in terms of which ones they're going to rely on. They can cobble together different perspectives and make good decisions. And the third thing is, in my book there's a sort of DIY media literacy for everyday people because I think a lot of these analytical strategies in the province of media scholars that are talked about in academic journals and conferences -- these never get out to the general public, who need them more than we do. One goal of the book is to offer those strategies to people in the real world.

Is that basically what you would tell a parent who is concerned about overly sexualized media images but doesn't want to send the message to their kid that sexuality is bad?

Yes. Share values, talk about them, critique them. What I'm arguing for is the exact opposite of censorship, which is just a lot more critique and public discussion and debate about all of this.

Should we be trying to change the media, or is it best to stick to informing people and kids about it so they become more critical consumers?

To me the most important thing is to develop critical consumers, to put agency in the hands of consumers. There are a lot of interesting groups out there working with the media. For example, there's a group called the Media Project, and they work with TV writers to try to put more factual, more diverse information about sexuality into TV shows. Not in a preachy kind of way, but in a way that would expand ideas about sex.

The thing I want to emphasize is that any adult can start a conversation with their kids, even when they are really, really young, even as young as 2, which is what I've done with my kids. Not even specifically about sex, but about the selling intent behind advertising and comparing what goes on in real life compared to fiction and helping them sort out facts. You can start getting them to be critical of the media when they're very young.

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Society’s sexualization of women
Posted by: Lector on May 24, 2008 1:02 AM   
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Durham lays some of the blame on parents for their children’s “wanton” and inappropriately sexual behavior. This is absurd. How can adults in America be expected to engage in reasonable, open dialogue with teens about sex in a Christianized society that generally advises to repress sexual pleasures and when the parents have never learned to be been reasonable and open about it themselves? So called Christian America is a sexually repressed society and when you ban something it usually becomes more attractive. Porn is a billion dollar industry in the USA. Add corporate materialism to the brew and you confuse the hell out of young people who are America’s future.

America needs a renewed Enlightenment that will base itself on the proposition that the proper study of mankind is man and woman., instead of the current religious movement, of hell-fire religion which suppresses women and a society’s sexual desires – on the extreme end, look no further than the weird religious cults in America where old men get to bed down with several young things each week.

Although everyone should be read up on the Bible to protect themselves against religious con men, the proper pursuit of knowledge and life should be the study of literature and poetry for the eternal ethical questions with which it deals and unfettered scientific inquiry and its discoveries available to the masses. This will clarify to any young person that Nabokov’s novel was not meant to be emulated but appreciated as a work on the human condition. Most importantly, there should be a divorce between sexual life and fear, and the sexual life and disease, and the sexual life and tyranny. The heavy religious chatter in that goes on in our country is sinister and infantile and unenlightening and I think it contributes to the twisted values on younger people. “To … to develop critical consumers”, as Durham says, in our society, is the key but most of America still believes in the moral commandments of an ancient desert God. You can’t have an honest conversation about media or morals like this.

Pointless

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My seventeen year old granddaughters
Posted by: bitsfick on May 24, 2008 3:19 AM   
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must be way above the norm, because they wouldn't buy into that bullshit for a second. Thanks in a large part to me, my daughter is a fiercely independent woman, and she is raising her daughters to be the same.

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Thank you Ms Durham
Posted by: regans on May 24, 2008 3:39 AM   
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I was wondering how long it would take someone to address this topic. I'm still scouring the darkest corners of my brain trying to find an even remotely legitimate justification for the Miley Cyrus photo shoot, in a society where sex with people under 18 is supposed to be immoral and illegal. "Critical consumers" is right, at least as long as greed remains the defining characteristic of our culture, and yes, parents are part of the problem. They let their 9 year old daughters walk out of the house dressed like hookers, and then when they hear in the news about an older man abusing an underage girl they want to lynch the guy. Of course there is never an excuse for a grown man to have sexual contact with a child, but why would any responsible parent want to tempt the devil that way. It's just one more example of the rampant perversity and hypocricy that eventually destroys every society that values profits more than people.

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Wait, I dont get it, don't you want this?
Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 24, 2008 4:13 AM   
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Give it a few days from now and I'll see an article on how kids should be giving birth control/ planed parenthood/ access to abortions and so on. Do you people want kids to be sexual or not? Yes this might be hard for you to do however stop and think very hard about the facts. In this hyper sexual society we are going to go from promoting sex to dismissing the bi-product to "male driving sex objection?"
I always knew the 4th wave of feminism was to try and to the impossible: to lobotomised the male species into a unnatural thinking when you look at a female. Now any self respecting man has standards to "rob the cradle" however if you turn on MTV/BET, pick up a female magazine you will see "girls, girls, girls."
I hate to say it however you can't have it both ways when it comes to sexuality. When you want sex to be open like that School District in Maine handing out birth control to 5th graders and they you wonder why you see images like Miley Cyrus, as she said "in the name of art;" You get what you pay for. Don't dare blame me being a male for the fact that Miley at age 15 or any other 15 year old thinks that would be just appropriate in today's society when "if you an't screwing, your a loser". Sex itself if a major responsibility, thats why at least you should wait until your are a little more responsible. Check yourself next time when you are quick to hand out/promote birth control to your 14 year old daughter or sister, you might want to say "its OK to wait" and "to be yourself and not what you see on TV."

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Tesco toy? I doubt it.
Posted by: Beagle17 on May 24, 2008 4:47 AM   
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While I agree with the point of this article, the lede is questionable. I agree with the conclusion of this blogger that this sex toy was probably added to the Tesco Website by a disgruntled employee. I think the writer here should look deeper before slamming Tesco. I just can't believe Tesco would legitimately sell such an item as a kids toy. But who knows, I guess. Like I said, I agree with the gist of this article.

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News Flash - This is Reporting?
Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on May 24, 2008 5:01 AM   
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News flash: Advertisers, the media and Alternet use sexually-charged images of young girls to sell things - look at the pic at the beginning of the article. Men and women respond by buying.

Kiddie briefs and outerwear with the word "pink" written across the ass are intended for people to look at the ass, but make mental allusions to to the "pink" on the other side.

These things may not help foster strong individuality and a sense of personal identity in our young women.

There - I just spared you from reading the article, and improved on it by providing a better example of these things at work.

I also saved you from completely made up assertions to the effect that this is something new, in historical terms. Back in the day we married much younger, and it was perfectly acceptable. Thus, I disagree with the premise that sex symbols used to be older, and this connection between youth and sex is something new.

More news flashes: Young girls are hotter than older women, most other things being equal, and they look better advertising bikinis. Also, it's OK these days to be a "slut." Men love sluts.

This article is a joke.

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Better Qualities
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on May 24, 2008 5:08 AM   
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Maybe the problem here is that sexiness and being "hot" are being pushed at the expense of more important human qualities, such as dignity, intelligence and self-respect. Sexualizing children, either with clothing or with overly liberal craptrap that insists 4 year olds are "sexual", is grotesque. Little girls in thong panties, etc., is evidence of a diseased society, so bored with itself that it resorts to making its children into playthings for adults. I work in a school, and every day I see 12 year olds wearing push-up bras, tons of makeup and skin tight jeans. Their parents let them leave the the house looking this way. What is the matter with the parents?

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Free Sex
Posted by: SBK on May 24, 2008 5:46 AM   
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If the whole of society could safely express their sexuality in all the ways it appears, whether it be old women in leather or older men with younger boys (of course over 18!), then teenage girls would not have to bear the burden of carrying the whole of society's sexual imagery. The problem is no one else is allowed to be sexual except young pretty girls. We need to come to terms with all forms of sexual expression, no matter who it is. The exaggeration comes from the fact that all that energy gets narrowed into one small interpretation of "sexy." Spread it around and it will take the pressure of our girls and give them a fighting chance at a healthy body image.

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Don't Forget the Mormons.
Posted by: douglashoyt on May 24, 2008 6:44 AM   
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The modern day FDLS (polygamist Mormons) also objectify young girls.

Indeed, they take the weird Christian doctrines about sexual roles and twist it into absurdity.

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Prostitots
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on May 24, 2008 6:51 AM   
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are gross.

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Hey, dummies, this really ain't about sex
Posted by: sausage on May 24, 2008 6:52 AM   
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What the author describes is merely a symptom, one facet, of a larger disease gripping this nation, namely the Skinner-box control over the American people by what I've started calling the "advertising/marketing-industrial complex."

The word "Media," as used by Professor Durham, is too nubulous; for while all mediums are intended to influence opinion, not all mediums attempt to influence behavior.

"Advertising/marketing," uses the research techniques of sociology and psychology to influence the subconscious behavior of individuals, to arrest a person's conscious development at that of a 16-year-old. Not only is the 9-10-11-12-year old girl influenced to dress and act like a 19-year-old street walker but the mother is likewise reinforced to exhibit similar behavior and dress.

As Professor Durham points out there is an extreme dimorphic message aimed at young boys and men. There is nothing more pathetic than seeing a 40 or 50-something man deck out, from head to toe, in the advertising logos of his favorite NASCAR cookie-cutter driver/hero.

If we are to save our civilization and bastardised culture we must face facts and think the unthinkable: It is time to differentiate between what constitutes free, political speech and commercial, manipulative marketing speech; liberate the former while regulating the latter.

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Maybe I'm just a rebel
Posted by: Ayla87 on May 24, 2008 7:30 AM   
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But in the near 21 years that I've been on this earth, I've never felt pushed into creating a sexualized version of myself, not unitl very recently anyway.

I don't wear makeup, except on special occasions, I don't wear skimpy clothes, push up bras, or thongs. In fact, none of my undies have anything written on either side. I feel most comfortable in a hoody and jeans, or during the summer, either a nice blouse and shorts or a summer dress. All of my bathing suits until this summer have been black one peices.

I care about my wieght and body image, but not to the point of shaping myself into something I'm not. My ideal weight is 150, and size 8 jeans. And yes thats possible, considering I'm 160 right now and a size 10. I have a fairly strict diet (no butter, red meat, pork, or processed foods), but by no means do I starve myself.

And to top it all off, I refuse to spread eagle until I feel I'm in a stable relationship with someone. Thus far, I haven't found one.

You heard it right: I'm a virgin

Dispite all of that, I'm still hit on by guys... quite frequently. Which makes me really critical of the severity of this issue. I mean, how much can our society really be buying into this crap if a girl like me can still get a guy without engaging in this behavior?

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Most of this whorification of young girls
Posted by: arclight7 on May 24, 2008 8:00 AM   
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is being pushed by their mothers, who think it's great that their daughters are learning at a young age just how effective exploiting their sexuality can be for manipulating people to give them what they want.

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Dispose of the media
Posted by: peterpiano on May 24, 2008 8:04 AM   
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In this article there are many ideas that point to the monitoring of the media and that parents should teach how to be critical of what you view and consume from these sources. The culture we have now in the post modern era is one of constant exposure to media and it isn't going away. How is it conceivable to stop the the capitalistic market for what consumers absorb from viewing countless advertisements and all forms of media such movies, MTV, and all of the content of the Internet? We can curtail our viewing of the TV and pull the plug on all other forms of entertainment and create an environment that is fool proof. However, that is also not going to happen. Kids already have been exposed to the media and now have text messaging and cell phones along with a private life on the Internet where they can communicate to their hearts content. Being savvy to the media is their normal thing and the they reach school age and through their teens they have already viewed so many hours of what this society would like them to see and hear, that they are full of
ideas that they act on as so called consumers. We expect parents to guide them, when in fact they have done more or less the same and they provide their kids with the instruments or the media and we expect them to use it responsibly or with a critical mind? .When do parents these days actually have a conversation with their kids about anything for that matter?
Who goes out and buys the clothes that their kids wear? Who provides them with credit cards and finances all their deepest wishes that they buy anything they want with endless desire which is supported by economic forces that the media implants in both the parents and the kid?
I think that we are fooling ourselves about the nature of this society and the other forces at play are the moral or ethical tinged with the extremes of religion that some how make things even worse with repression and condemnation of the very thing that got us here in the first place and that is sex. Then of course we can say that all men are predators and they enjoy being aggressive and violent. That is a sweeping global attack of what men are really about since we are seen as gloating patriarchs with dirty minds that would love to romp at any time with a sweet young thing since we have a burning urge in out loins that needs to be relieved. Or the notion that because we are men we always objectify women as sexual objects and since that is true women should be all the more wary of the motivations of the men. So since from what this article says some how brings to the conclusion that men and the media and the market forces all collude to bring young women into this state of sorry affairs. Then what would we propose as a solution to all of this? Either get rid of the media and that includes not reading magazines or books and of course the mainstream electronic media system that brings all these ideas into your living room and they ought to be monitored as we listen and view critically with our kids. I mean this is preposterous and unfeasible. Unless we turn off the TV and the Internet and the cell phones we will some how be free of all this, but that is a delusion since most of the damage has been done and we are not going to go without it I sure of that. What is going to stop your kids from going out in the world and resisting all these forces that they have come in contact with and make intelligent choices despite the indoctrination? Its a little too late to think that we can control everything isn't it?
Peter

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Americans lack collective will to do what's right
Posted by: nfamous on May 24, 2008 8:05 AM   
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Americans are addicted to celebrities. Look at how pervasive American Idol has become. I know people at work that hate me because I don't watch it. It's not just AI but all of these reality shows. Women are basically told you are here to serve men as an attractive piece of meat. They receive no messages about what it means to be a woman in totality. It's no wonder this bi-curious thing is so popular as women search for emotional intimacy men are not equipped to provide any longer.

The women I meet these days are basically men with breasts and ovaries. They are trying so hard to be like men because they think that's what men want, to not be aggravated and henpecked by women being women. That is absurd. It does not make you a great girlfriend or wife just by letting your husband hand with his guys friends sometimes. These narrow definitions of healthy relationships need to stop.

This trend will continue because, frankly, Americans will not stop it. We all serve corporations, including the government, and their pernicious effects on us and society. You can no longer reform a society like ours without violence. Once the economy crashes perhaps something better will emerge. For now we will have to sit and watch as girls prostitute themselves at shopping malls across the country so they can go right back in and buy something that they hope will make them more popular or more of a hottie with guys. We are well on our way to Third World status. I hope I'm dead when it gets here.

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Sexpot photo
Posted by: kingharvest on May 24, 2008 8:12 AM   
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I thought it was real neat how in your email telling us about this story that you used a cute picture of a cute girl in a high school uniform. Who could resist reading such an article, right? Sex sells, even when it is selling an article that decries the notion that sex sells.

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What about the biggest sexual stereotype of all?
Posted by: stellabloo on May 24, 2008 8:18 AM   
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What about the pervasive link between SEX and ALCOHOL which permeates western society?

Alcohol would have to be the #1 date rape drug, for starters. Teenage binge drinking has become a major social concern and with that, comes risk-taking, violent behaviour, and possibly "harder" drugs.
My thought is that if two people want to make love badly enough to do it while SOBER then so be it.
I don't claim to be a puritan myself, but if someone had explained all to me this much earlier I could have saved myself years of grief.
Instead, alcohol and sex were somehow always linked - the repressive nature of social conditioning somehow acceptably obliterated with each drink. Being "adult" meant drinking and with that came the inevitable sexual temptation.
No wonder that booze has been dubbed "panty remover". Women are now brainwashed to mistake true equality with drinking "like a man", but the many health risks of even moderate alcohol consumption are far greater for women.
Yes, the beer pooch and the blotched skin will eventually make those sex kittens quite unattractive but hey - the media/corporate industry have some exciting new products to replace those annoying lifestyle changes!

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» yes, but ... Posted by: realmuzik
THIS?
Posted by: xenocyd on May 24, 2008 8:31 AM   
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What the hell. I had heard when this pole-business was actually FRESH news that the pole was not intentionally listed in the toys section, it was a mistake that happened and got blown out of proportion. That's what I've always understood, and now I see this article -- what's going on here? It's time to cancel the emails I get from Alternet, because the articles here are honestly starting to just plain suck.

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Amusingly enough...
Posted by: blogbooks on May 24, 2008 8:45 AM   
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...there seems to be a direct correlation between the rampant fear and witch hunts over pedophiles and parents allowing their young daughters to walk around in slutty clothes with sexual/teasing messages printed on their non-breasts/ass/etc.

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Nabokov's Lolita
Posted by: Sushi on May 24, 2008 9:16 AM   
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Anyone who has actually READ Lolita should come away with a creepy insight into the weaving of mental machinations of a pedophile that makes him BELIEVE the little girl is coming on to him, and that HE is the victim of HER seduction. (Although as the story moves along, she does begin to figure out how to manipulate him even though he's got total physical/mental control over her.) That the novel is brilliantly (although uncomfortably) written from the pervert's perspective was a stroke of genius and some of the best writing ever to be put to page. Highly recommended superior literary accomplishment. Makes your skin crawl, but then any good writing, like any good art is SUPPOSED to create an emotional impact!

That being said, I, myself, am a victim of child molestation. At 5 yrs old, I can assure you that I wasn't trying to seduce my bourbon/cigarette-reeking grandfather to feel around in my underwear. And my own father came dangerously close to turning on me on two occasions, once when I was 13. I read somewhere that something like 80% of females have been molested sometime in their lives...typically by someone within the family, not necessarily the "stranger-danger" weirdo down the street. I've known friends who were sexually molested by brothers, friends of brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins and step-fathers. Girls are generally made to feel ashamed and rarely tell. We're expected to be "good girls" and just keep quiet. We are taught to respect and revere adults, which is why they can take advantage of innocence.

As a girl grows up, she finds she gets a positive reaction from males when she pouts or bats her eyelashes just right. She also watches her friends become "popular" as they turn on the charm. She's been taught her entire life that male approval is the ultimate prize, winning his "love" and commitment. Learn the poses and win life's prizes!

Similarly, males gain approval through facing danger and behaving "macho". (Successful geometry calculations rarely brings on admiration of one's peers.) There is no female equivalent to the term "proving one's manhood". When men go ga-ga over the hot body that just strutted into the room, the other women start planning a make-over on themselves, even if they have to buy boobs off the shelf.

Even in movies and TV, just listen to the bow-chicka-bow/whoo-whoo saxiphone music that plays when a "sexy young thing" walks into view , or the camera distractedly pans off to the hottie walking by, emphasizing the male perspective. Girls get the message loud and clear... be hot or be not.

Sex education SHOULD be required teaching. Knowledge is power. Without knowledge, kids rely on their peers for information, such as "swallowing bleach prevents HIV!" If kids are armed with a solid understanding of the workings of sexuality, honest discourse on risky behavior as well as informed on the moral obligation of rejecting sex's commercialization, we might have fewer ruined young lives.

(Or we could just don burkhas so as not to arouse any attention at all.)

Sushi
"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you get older, it will avoid you."

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In Japan these girls are worshiped as "Idols"
Posted by: corazon on May 24, 2008 10:41 AM   
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They have their own TV shows,videos, websites. Its all legal in Japan as long as the camera does not linger too long in the private areas.Its appearently cultural and they like their "lolitas". Idols encompass all oriental races, ie, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. Some idols have gone on to have big careers after hitting the magic age of 18. Some have gone to become AV stars or bubble gum pop singers. The ages run from 8 to 18. Some finish college.

Heres and example of one:
http://wiki.theppn.org/Irie_Saaya
Appearently she is a cultural Ambasador of some renoun between China and Japan.

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lolita effect
Posted by: sherman on May 24, 2008 10:53 AM   
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children do not voluntarily participate in our consensus reality, but are the victims of it. lolita effect is evidence of brainwashing that is in itself rape. we must preserve childrens' innocence, not exploit their vulnerability.

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I think media is integral to an agenda
Posted by: parviz45 on May 24, 2008 12:01 PM   
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I keep hearing that media is about the bottom line, and being a corporate entity this is a plausible statement. However, media's role is a lot more, I think it is part of a prevailing agenda to shape and mould us into beings who pose virtually no challenge to plutocracy, and in biblical terms, the sovereignty of mammon instead of morality and rationality and cultivation of perspective on the public domain of life which I imagine is premised on healthy democracy, the sovereignty of people. Just look at the issues in the US elections...how much do you hear about the immoral haves/have-nots gap which is an index of the health of our economy, or how is it that these criminal and unprovoked wars are continuing...How much concern do you think masses would have for the real issues when they are constantly preoccupied with below-the-neck issues? We should perhaps think along these lines to become aware of the artificial cocoon we live in.

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Rampant Pedophilia
Posted by: macdon1 on May 24, 2008 12:16 PM   
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As far as I am concerned,this drooling over under 18 girls is simply criminal pedophilia. None of these girls has enough sense or life experience to really understand the exploitation and objectification that is going on. They are just enjoying the attention and thinking it means they are "loved." This is hardly new either...17 years ago when my daughter was in public high school most girls were dressing in heavy makeup, skirts that showed their panties and tight tops. The school assistant headmaster (dirty old man) called me in to a conference to discuss how unfeminine and rebellious my daughter was because she dressed in t-shirts and overalls and flannel shirts and no makeup. I told him I'd rather see my daughter looking like a junk shop (his words)than a street hooker. His constant ragging and nagging on my daughter, whom he labeled as a rebellious troublemaker caused her to drop out of school as soon as she was 16. Unfortunately I didn't have the money to put her in private school where parents can get jerks like this fired and the Boston public school system could have cared less. I am sure it is far worse now.

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Let's increase regulation of the media
Posted by: PressurePoint on May 24, 2008 1:20 PM   
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The government is supposed to protect us from violence and in exchange we pay taxes (Locke). Republican and DLC politics have moved us further away from corporate regulation during a time of rapid expansion of predatory capitalism and increasingly sophistocated methods of exploiting us to our collective detriment. I submit the result is an epidemic of psychological violence being committed upon the American consumer daily by business. It's time Americans demand increasing governmental protection from corporate exploitation.

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Call it by it's proper name!
Posted by: luzmejor on May 24, 2008 2:11 PM   
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The malaise around sexuality is simply a sicker form of prejudice, folks.

Yes, the media and merchandisers are complicit. Yes, the parents are complicit, if they go along with urging to make sure their child is "popular" at school and has the latest pricy styles in clothing, cars, etc.

We ought to be treating our children like the precious resources they are and not simply an attractive social asset to be used.

Parents who care about their children do not allow one-on-one dating in high school. First of all, your child needs time and privacy to develop his or her own personality, along with studying for a future place in the adult world.

Couple-dating should be discussed, but not allowed for unaccompanied young teens. That's just asking for trouble. Who wants to leave his/her most important asset just lying around for any freak to pounce on and carry off?

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There is a place for further discussion on this matter ...
Posted by: realmuzik on May 24, 2008 2:21 PM   
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The National Conference on Media Reform is coming up. There are at least one or two panels on their schedule discussing women and the media. Am certain that discussions on the sexualization of children will indeed be brought up sometime during the course of this conference.

The aggressive marketing and advertising industries are to be held most accountable in this matter. Just take a look at Times Square in New York City. The "smut" of yesteryear has been overtaken by the "smut" of today - billboards upon billboards of Abercrombie and Fitch ads depicting more-than-half-naked "barely-legals," that also appear in mainstream magazines. Tighter regulations on these industries as a whole would be a major step in a "better" direction. But they, too, have 24/7 lobbying machines ever-prepared to ensure that they keep doing what they do. Not to mention that we have a First Amendment that will never, ever be changed.

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What would this author of thought ...
Posted by: bornxeyed on May 24, 2008 2:32 PM   
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of my three 4 yr old to 10 yr old sisters all getting the go-go boots they asked for one Xmas back in 1970?

Young girls want to emulate older girls and women. If mature women demand the freedom to dress and act like sluts, young girls will want to dress and act like sluts too.

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"Girls are told that their worth hinges on being 'hot,'"
Posted by: Sojourner on May 24, 2008 3:38 PM   
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Sorry that is from only a couple paragraphs into the article, That's as far as I was willing to go. Yes, others judge us worthy or unworthy. But we judge them in return.

Isn't the "worth" alluded to what we mean by "dress for success." Unless you are independently wealthy, you must to some degree sell yourself, trade your labor, your abilities. So the argument can only be either over how you judge your worth and how much credibility you give to other's judgments.

Adolescents need to be given some time to form their own self-estimation. As has been pointed out upthread, selling "hotness" is ubiquitous. That's because it works for those who need to sell themselves. To imagine that sexuality is not at work at all times, for all ages, is simple-minded--or American, as the case may be. Sex can be a currency, but no one forces that on us.

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Demographics
Posted by: Hans B on May 24, 2008 3:51 PM   
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I've posted about this before but I think it's worth posting again: it's not just media, parenting, consumerism and other things we can correct. There are also permanent demographic changes which (1) change the traditional "balance" between men and women, and (2) put a premium on youth.

(1): in all societies until now, there was population growth. Since men tend to marry later than women, there were more marriageable women than men: it was a man's market, so to speak. The inverse is true today.
(2): the aging of the population has led to a glorification of youth.

In Japan these tendencies (declining+aging population) have led to the Lolita wave. The US and Europe may well follow. Our daughters themselves play a major part in this: they are offered power, and they respond to that.

I have no idea how to stop this; in fact I don't think it can be done. At best we can protect our own children while seeing askance how other children are whorified. In the end I suppose society as a whole will find a way to deal with what is obviously a problem.

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One-two punch
Posted by: YogiBear on May 24, 2008 9:23 PM   
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Realistically, it's really hard to stop kids from thinking about and experimenting with sex. That doesn't mean that I think 12-year-olds ought to run out and have sex. But only and always making it taboo, wrong, scary, terrible is going to mean that children don't feel like they have the safe spaces in which to express sexual feelings and ask the kinds of questions they need to ask to get the information they need.

That's it in a nutshell, I'd think. We tell kids sex is bad and then supercharge our societal messages with sexual language and imagery and then cry foul when kids are effed up by it.

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The media makes a product that's in demand
Posted by: YogiBear on May 24, 2008 9:29 PM   
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The media are for-profit enterprises, and we need to recognize that from the start. Whatever they do to represent any aspect of human experience, it's going to be connected to generating revenue ... So we get these definitions of sexuality that are yoked to consumerism, and sexuality is only represented in a way that will stimulate consumption.

True, but the author seems unaware or unwilling to identify the other element of the media's sexualized product: that they provide goods that are in demand. I don't care much for the concept that "the media" is creating the desire. It's more plausible they are catering to the desire for that product. That desire is not limited to boys. After all, the people who are hardest on "slutty" girls are not boys, but other girls.

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If you're hot, you look like a slut, but if you don't put out you're a tease
Posted by: smadaj on May 24, 2008 9:43 PM   
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and of course, if you do put out, you not only look like a slut, you are a slut.

Tough to find one's way when the whole system is rigged against you.

Little girls were being sexualized way back when Shirley Temple, adorable little wise-mouthed six-year-old always got the man, and the adult women were left in the dust.

Media Sexploitation was a book that came out in the 70's - and showed, among other things, a young girl standing on phone books to reach something - the ad was for the phone company. Subliminally embedded in the child's leg were the words, "fuck" "sex" and some other words along the same lines. As the little girl was reaching up, her little panties were showing, just slightly. Shades of Aqualung!

Media gives the audience what the audience asks for - granted for the purpose of selling something. But children have been sexual objects for as far back as recorded history, at least. Look at all the pediphiles in the church - old men in Ireland have been suing the Catholic church over the past few years because they were systematically being raped by the priests in the orphanages they grew up in decades ago. This stuff ain't new.

As long as we have bodies that tell us we are animals with sexual impulses, and we have a church that tells us our loving God doesn't want us to feel or act on these impulses - or we'll burn in hell for eternity, societies are going to have problems.

Once people stop believing in a loving God who forbids the humans from being the animals we are, people will stop being so sick that children have to be used as sex objects. I know that's simplistic, but that's the crux of the problem, as I see it.

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Disgusted
Posted by: reallyfedup on May 24, 2008 11:58 PM   
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I do not care how you try to dress up this disgusting marketing plan, it is wrong. I do not care which country accepts sexual exploitation of very young girls as "O.K.".

It is wrong.

The selling of this "dancing pole" to 5 year old girls so they can "practice" is so absolutely wrong.

It is NOT "O.K.".

The promoting, selling, marketing, and encouraging very young girls to engage in this type of "training" is so very wrong on a very fundamental level.

Very young girls and women have the right to be young children growing up without the threat of being molested or exploited. They have the right to be human beings without being sexual objects or slaves. Girls and women have the right to be respected without being forced into expectations and stigmas. Girls and women have the right to be treated with dignity.

There is no excuse or no justification for this kind of abuse. It is time someone took a stand to bring about respect for girls and women.

By the way, calling girls and women "slut" is very offensive.

Who is responsible for these behaviors?

Could it be the very same men who market these kind of products to very young girls? Could it be the pedophiles that would enjoy nothing more? Could it be the very same girls and women, and men who are complacent that allow these kind of marketing, remarks, and attitudes to continue? Could it be that we are all responsible?

Girls and women of all races, creeds, sizes, shapes, and ages are human beings not things. Girls and women are deserving of respect and honor free from exploitive, abusive, inappropriate, and wrong marketing, attitudes, and behaviors.

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All the blame for Islamic and Asian countries.
Posted by: richholland on May 25, 2008 2:51 AM   
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My 15 years old stefdaughter studying at high school in Northern Thailand got sexual lessons:

"You must stay a virgin untill you marry.
Because if you are no virgin your husband will not pay the diary to your parents.
(equivalant 6 months to 1 years salary)

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Corpirate Targeting of Adolescents is Wrong!
Posted by: Ottomatic on May 25, 2008 6:43 AM   
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Americo where the Machines eat the
Young and Innocent.

A experienced mature Woman is Sexy.

The rest is BULL!

The Sexual education of teenagers and the availability of Birth control, is a must.

Civilized Societies do it and it works.
You know!
The ones who have a free Education, Health care and a Living wage.

America is in a Corpirate Dark Age.

Take The Religious Voodoo out of the class room and
Put: The facts back in.

Enough will the lying already!

Prepublicent America
It sucks.
Get over it!

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amber aleart
Posted by: wittler youth on May 25, 2008 8:43 AM   
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my band by the same name..all girls/7-12/all4 of them play out in sckimpy short shorts and no bra's-they dont need them.lol..but they where combat boots on stage and beg old men to come up and touch them where ever..only to be stomped in the nuts when they try..and they love doing it..so much so that iv had to bail them out of jail after many of shows..assult..battery..you name it..my girls laff at snivel like this..sex to them is when ever they feel horney..and to me it seems like theres no off swicth..its like manageing 4 'BRAT' dolls..but boy do they pack them in at there shows..$$$$..but i hate there drinking and drug use..and they cuss like sailors..and the 7 year old just got her first tatto..it sez..SCREW PRUSSAN BLUE.

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» RE: amber aleart Posted by: cannibalgod70
I feel uneasy...
Posted by: vangogh69 on May 25, 2008 9:37 AM   
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I feel uneasy with this trend of sexualizing girls at younger and younger ages. I see young girls around 13 wearing these short skirts and heels, looking for all the world like young women, and I briefly see them that way. Of course, they are not young women and hardly understand the problems with presenting themselves as sexualized people before they're ready for the responsibility. Additionally, it seems while girls are encouraged to be "hot" women are encouraged to be as "un-feminine" as possible, at least in the US. Something's seriously off here.

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» RE: I feel uneasy... Posted by: Dboy
» RE: I feel uneasy... Posted by: WyrdSister
a secularist
Posted by: tatamchwh on May 25, 2008 9:55 AM   
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When the news of Pearl Harbor reached MacArthur in the Philippines, he retreated to his bedroom with his Bible. The result was that all our airplanes were still lined up on the runway, where the Japanese could destroy them eight hours later. We need public censure and a strong sense of communal responsibility, not a sense of selfish personal salvation. It not only takes a village to raise a child, it also takes a village to control an adult. Only when we all take responsibility for our neighbor's well being ("Love thy neighbor as thyself") can our communities be safe. If I had a daughter to raise, I'd be doing it in France.

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Lets face some facts together!(for a real change)
Posted by: The Big Raven on May 25, 2008 11:11 AM   
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First I would like to point that we have failed at protecting our females against the on-slault of sexual perverts. Never before have we witnessed the ammount of just plainly sicking behavior and the real kicker is if you care to know that the same people who are put in charged of protecting us are the purps themselfs , just look at the ammount of cops and so called leaders who are facing child sexual abuse charges.
You can put all your psyco-bable away and quit making up excuses and "reasons" why mostly white males have preverted life for many young children. Its like the child sex trade in Aisa where after I investgated some of the most horrible places where people sell thier children to others who in-turn sell them or better put rent them to mostly white males who are between the ages of 18-55 not to say there is not others who love sex with children the sickness has spread worldwide but this is the BIGGIST user group (if you dont believe me LOOK IT UP YOURSELF).
But the home of the child sex industry is here in america and with the internet anyone who chooses can partake in this sicking behavior can, go ahead and look it is so easy to find (I have reported many sites but as of now very little has changed)go to a site called uncensored.com and go to thier links and have a look and if this does not open your eyes nothing will.
We live in a world where the lies have been told so many times that people now believe them.... a made up world with pretend heros who actions are allways justified and theft of resources are the norm. You my friends have been led around by your greed and now look what that has brought us. This is not freedom nor does this have to do with love its the payment we all get for building a country with high ideals that no matter how hard we try we can never reach them (asked jimmy swagart)
america is not only fiscally bankrupt it is morally bankrupt and in truth allways was except for a very few moments of clearity.
PEACE IS FOR THE TRULY FREE
ps please excuse the writing (forced schooling)

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Avoid the Media Message - Turn Off the TV !!!
Posted by: TerryS on May 25, 2008 11:57 AM   
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There is a way to avoid the media message that
a women's and girl's purpose in life should be
to look "hot": Turn off the TV !!!

Media Message & Depression

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Media -v- Parents: who is responsible for a child's development?
Posted by: Cathyc on May 25, 2008 1:16 PM   
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Last line of this article:

"You can start getting them to be critical of the media when they're very young."

There are many specious arguments (flaws) in this article, which this last line perfectly sums up, in my view.

The primary shapers of the minds of children are their parents, usually the mother - not the media - nor any other 'predatory' group, or individual.

In other words, those who easily succumb to the lure and enticements (false promises) of "The Media" et al, are effectively lost in the lonely crowd. That is, children who have been emotionally abandoned by their parents/primary guardians.

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Bratz Doll Syndrome
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on May 25, 2008 4:35 PM   
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This article basically discusses the 'Bratz Doll Syndrome' which has been influencing America for the past few years in regards to the exploitative and unhealthy oversexualization of girls and teens.

If you are looking for answers, notice the types of people that produce and market products like Bratz Dolls, and also notice that these people also predominate in the media and fashion industries (which have also worked to popularize this sickening fad).

Do some research and try to find out: (1) are these people generally of a certain ethnic or religious background?; (2) are they generally urban or are the rural?; (3) are they wealthy or middle class?; etc.

After you do some research, some patterns will begin to emerge as you realize that many of these people are a lot alike and work in many of the same industries. And this explains a lot.

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There is nothing new under the sun
Posted by: tngreen on May 25, 2008 7:14 PM   
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While the Western media cannot go uncriticized on this topic, they certainly did not invent the notion of older men's attraction to young girls. This is a phenomenon that most likely pre-dates historic records and appears in all human cultures. It supports my belief that sexism is the deepest-running, most pervasive, and most profound "ism"--so much a part of our human experience that we do not even recognize many of its faces. On a very fundamental level, men do not identify with women, do not perceive them as similar creatures with similar needs, feelings, and motivations. Hence we see throughout history that women are: given in marriage to seal treaties and maintain the peace; raped by invading armies to demoralize the enemy; treated as legal minors from birth to death, passing from the rule of their fathers to their husbands to their sons; denied the right to hold property or run businesses in their own right; treated as de facto slaves under the law, who could be beaten by their husbands and refused the right of custody of their children should they attempt to escape.

I could go on, but the crux is that women throughout history have been subject to the domination of men. The Lolita issue is only one example of how little has changed in the power relationship and how we have failed to re-educate men to view women as people first and as sex partners somewhere farther down the list. And I blame this failure on our approach: we cannot change men until we women change ourselves. We have been approaching the problem from the wrong end. Until we demand to be treated as equals, we never will be. Power is NEVER relinquished voluntarily.

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» Demand, demand Posted by: luckypuck
» RE: Demand, demand Posted by: tngreen
Parent's Responsibility
Posted by: TerryS on May 25, 2008 7:37 PM   
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That's right, it is the responsibility of
parents to protect their kids from soulless
corporations by turning off the TV, or better
yet, getting rid of it.

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SOCIETY IS IN A DOWNWARD MORAL SPIRAL
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 25, 2008 9:20 PM   
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Its all part of the plan to destroy everything this country was founded on, and I see no end in site.

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sex and population
Posted by: ronr on May 25, 2008 10:31 PM   
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Honey, this was studied 60-70 years ago.

Put a population of rats in a confined breeding area. At first, they behave as wild rats do, maintaing respectivbe distances, status, behavior, etc. As population increases, rats become agressive, developd bad habits (eg. not building proper nests for young, etc.), become homosexual, mature into adult sexuality earlier in life, etc. It's a function of population pressure, which disrupts "normal" behavior. Rats do it. We do it.

This is a completely predictable response to overcrowding.

_RR

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» RE: sex and population Posted by: dangerouslysane
What are the questions?
Posted by: luckypuck on May 26, 2008 11:08 PM   
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Americans have the most ill-informed, irrational, even hysterical views of human sexuality of just about any Western country. Whenever an issue regarding sex arises the dopiest discussions follow. No one ever seems to question the prevailing assumptions no matter how unfounded they clearly may be. Ms. Durham parrots many of these assumptions with no apparent examination of them.

How does Ms. Durham know Lolita’s are “just too young to knowingly enter into these kinds of relationships.” Maybe they know more than we think. Has anyone tested this knowledge? Even so, as they begin to grow into maturity, how young is “too young”? Who gets to decide at what age they are “too young” or are old enough? On what criterion does one base this decision? How can you dive headlong into such a complex issue without asking these questions? Point me to some studies, but ones that also consider the damage caused by social myths and religious nonsense.

“The Lolita Effect is the way our culture, and more importantly our corporate media, have constructed these little ‘Lolitas’ by sexualizing them and marketing really sexualized items of clothing and behaviors to them . . . .” Just who exactly is Ms. Durham including in the term “our culture”? Doesn’t “our culture” include Ms. Durham? Doesn’t it also include everyone who has posted here? So WE are responsible for the Lolita Effect? I’m no friend to corporations (way the opposite), but this stuff SELLS. What concrete evidence do we have to account for this? How does this keep on happening knowing what Ms. Durham says we know?

Where are the parents? No, wait a minute. Don’t parents know their children better than anyone else? Aren’t they the ones in the best position to decide when their little girls are ready to become sexualized? Is it possible for a girl to be ready for sexualization at 12? 10? 8? Wouldn’t the parents be the first to know? Or does the state just make an arbitrary age for all of us to follow? Oh, wait, they do that. Arbitrarily. See, they can’t seem to agree on when it ACTUALLY happens, because they don’t know. But for the same infraction, they’ll send someone to jail in one state, but not in another. Some states it’s 18, others 16, 15, 14. Then, again, on what criterion do they base ANY of those decisions? Why have we in “our culture” surrendered this personal, private, parental decision-making to the state? Are all parents too dumb, too untrustworthy to care for their children? Or does the state want to regulate sexuality for everyone?

I see belly shirts and micro-minis in church and on some so young I know their parents had to be the ones who got them dressed on Sunday morning. Who decides if this is harmful to these particular girls? If the parents don’t think dressing this way is harmful to their child, who gets to dictate differently? On what authority do the “dictaters” get to intervene in parental authority?

”Durham's critique . . . also faults adults for failing to engage in reasonable, open dialogue with teens about sex.” Now, suppose the dialogue revealed that early sexualization, unlike Ms. Durham’s view, is not some horrible process imposed on humans by the devil in male clothing. Suppose we discovered young girls (and boys) naturally become sexualized by themselves and “our culture” has been suppressing that natural development for centuries. Consider for this discussion that this may be the source of more sexual confusion and dysfunction and adds to a child’s efforts to “catch up,” so to speak.

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Questions continued
Posted by: luckypuck on May 26, 2008 11:09 PM   
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Suppose that open dialogue revealed that sexualization is a good, natural and necessary element of physical and mental health. Suppose it turned out that the only objective criterion for deciding when a girl is “ready” for sexualization, is at whatever age it is when she first menstruates. That’s when her body naturally comes to sexualization; can we accept it’s also possible that’s when her psyche is ready as well? Are there cultural/religious myths standing in the way?

Suppose one way to the healthy sexualization of girls is for their families to have a REAL open dialogue at around the time their girls are likely to start their menses. Not the old clichéd birds and bees monologue wherein nothing really gets explained and the parents embarrassment causes more confusion, But, rather one in which the girl or boy is coaxed to ask freely all their questions, and they get all the answers they need. Don’t worry about being “age appropriate,” give them the information they ask for and they’ll sort it out for themselves when they’re ready.

Ms. Durham paints a very sexist picture of women where she says that marketers target “very young kids by getting them to buy into the frames that older women have been persuaded to buy into for a long time, such as trying to achieve unattainable bodies and present themselves as highly desirable to men.” Uh, uh, uh. Those poor, dumb women. Unable to see how those horrible, paternalistic men were manipulating them. Unable to break out of it when they do see. Even though it’s widely known that men constantly and successfully conspire to turn women into desirable sex objects, women are just too docile, too easily manipulated, too dependent on the favor of males (ugh) to be able to free themselves of their dictated lot in life. Oh, woe, woe, pity them.

Apparently, as mothers, women also are unable to control their daughters, unable even to just tell them that they shouldn’t be “hot,” shouldn’t wear hot clothes, but then here’s a credit card, just don’t buy any thongs, okay?

I think most of what Ms. Durham has merit, but there’s no substance; it’s all assertions, opinions and personal beliefs and thereby, biased ones at that. One person’s opinions are no better than another’s, especially unsupported ones.

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It's the corporations, stupid.
Posted by: susnow on May 27, 2008 5:37 PM   
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Think of the contempt that corporations have for people when they come out with this crap. Time to start suing.

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Once again it's the girls
Posted by: Kym525 on May 29, 2008 2:44 PM   
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we focus on, as if they are the only ones being sexualized at an early age. Not to mention, this article and probably the book as a whole only focuses on little WHITE girls, not young girls of color who are exposed to this stuff on a day to day basis, but when things happen to them, our society chalks it up to the "those people don't know how to behave" mindset.

Bear in mind young boys are in the same boat, but once again, the onus is on female sexual behavior and as grown women know, that's always a dangerous thing. Boys are being shown the way to masculinity is by screwing as many girls as possible, having a lot of money and material possessions and basically just being selfish. Look at the commercials for that Axe Body Spray--it's telling young men if you use this crap, you'll get to have lots of sex with hot women. Movies like Superbad basically tell young boys that it's perfectly acceptable to demand and get sex from women regardless of how boorish and immature they behave.

Yes, I do agree that the sexualization of young girls is totally reprehensible, but excuse me while I give Miley Cyrus a free pass here. I saw the layout taken by famed photographer Annie Liebowitz (apologize for the spelling), and it was very tasteful and arty. We as a society are so bent out of shape over sex that even a hint of a naked back has the censors screaming. No wonder our kids are so damn confused.

Having said all this--advertisers are not PARENTS. They're not in this game to be socially responsible. They're in it for the money, and if selling sexualized images of girls makes them rich, that's what they'll do. It is up to PARENTS to not only teach their children honestly about sex, but society as a whole needs to come clean and get away from this dangerous puritanical mindset that has used sex as a wedge and an enticement.

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» What to do, what to do? Posted by: luckypuck
Market Forces Anyone?
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM   
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Surely these things are just being driven by market forces. I mean, consumers must want these things otherwise they wouldn't be being produced. In effect, what this article seems to be attacking is peoples changing tastes and mores.

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