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Sex Ed in the Bible Belt
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By the time I reached middle school hormones had hit and I had real questions to ask, but I didn't ask any of them. The class was co-ed and traditionally composed of more goofing off than education. It was also my first encounter with scare tactics. The context of these tactics is important. I attended an inner-city school where most of the students lived in the projects. Pregnancy in middle school was fairly common. My high school, although more than twice the size of my middle school, had fewer pregnant students.
At both schools we had the same abstinence-only speaker, known ironically as "the sex guy." The class made it clear how conservative his stance was. We had practice babies to take home for a few days that cried and needed to be fed by a key every three hours or so. One girl had been so irritated by it that she put it in toaster, or so the rumor goes. We tried on pregnancy suits and were told the costs of raising a child. We were shown uncensored footage of childbirth.
Most of our time was spent discussing STDs. Although some demonstrations were reasonable, several were just scare tactics. One of the more reasonable demonstrations began with everyone being given a cup of clear liquid. Two students had cups with a clear dye that represented an STD -- a person could look healthy but harbor a disease. We were then instructed to exchange part of the contents of our cup with three other people in the class. After we had done so they dropped an indicator into our cups to reveal the dye was now in many students' cups; a large portion of the class had an STD. In another example we were shown a wheel, like the kind you can win prizes off of at fairs, except we spun for different types of STDs. The chances of escaping the STDs with one spin were very slim. One tactic I experienced was particularly disturbing to me, an example I initially thought persuasive. The instructor offered two chocolate bars. One contained laxatives and the other was a regular chocolate bar. We were offered both, but not told which was which. When we declined, we were told sexual partners are like chocolate bars -- the risk isn't worth the pleasure. These implications are unsettling -- sexual partners are presented as untrustworthy and as deceitful as a chocolate bar. In retrospect, it was an incredibly unfair way of presenting sex. My middle school sex-ed class left me with one distinct impression: sex is painful. Nothing depicted it positively. My hormones were raging, but the actual idea of sex was repulsive and frightening.
Now that I feared sex and anything close to it there was only one last step in this sexual education course -- abstinence commitment. It was a public school, so they couldn't justify saving sex for marriage on religious grounds. Instead, they justified it with social custom. A person is more valuable to their spouse if they wait until marriage. Virginity is a gift. Waiting is a gift. They split us up by gender and asked the guys if they would want to marry a virgin, and supposedly, they all said yes. This was particularly interesting because there was a sexually active couple in my class. The girl was devastated. They actually told her that her boyfriend probably didn't want to marry her because he was having sex with her. But the real topper for this class was signing a promise -- a promise for a chicken sandwich. Oh yes. Sign this paper saying you'll wait until marriage and you can get a free sandwich from Chick-fil-A. I don't mean to state the obvious, but nothing could devalue a person more than selling his/ her virginity for a chicken sandwich. Still, even if this example is extreme, there is something genuinely insulting about saving sex because of social standards. When to have sex should be a decision we think is important enough that we answer it for ourselves. And I don't care what that room full of high school boys said. If someone looks at me and sees "virgin" or "slut," I could never consider them a friend, much less a romantic partner. For me, the most upsetting aspect of my public school sex-ed class was its emphasis on waiting until marriage.
The other sex ed class I took in middle school was much more openminded. We talked about sex outside of marriage and we put condoms on bananas. There were no scare tactics, no implications of being devalued by sex. My minister led the class. It's fair to do a double take here. I grew up in the Bible belt, a place notorious for being socially conservative. A neighboring county actually tried to legislate against homosexuals living within their jurisdiction. Certainly a minister with a box of condoms standing in front of middle school kids at a Presbyterian church is taboo. For me, nothing could speak more against the Bible belt stereotype. It isn't fair to assume every church is teaching the same thing, that the churches are the roots of this sex-ed phenomenon. I would argue that the condemnation of sex is much harder to trace. Something powerful worked the system to make abstinence-only education the priority and it is incredibly self-sustaining. Making sex a taboo topic keeps children from finding reliable information outside of the classroom. This early negative perception of sex is almost impossible to escape from.
How is a society to overcome false information when it is the only information that it trusts? We need to start having another discussion. We need alternatively taught sexual education, even if we have to ask our ministers to do it. We need to talk about sex outside of the classroom. Most importantly, we need to treat sex fairly.
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Posted by: taisamarie on May 20, 2008 1:29 AM
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About the only difference was instead of a pastor with the box of condoms and bananas we had one renegade science teacher in 8th grade (who subsiquently was fired) who did the same thing.
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We didn't have access to fruit and condoms.. you had to have a note from your father (for a girl) and your mother (for a boy) and you got a polaroid taken of your face which was put up in the front cabinet at the Rexall (where condoms were kept in a locked cabinet for an undetermined price and the township chief of police had the only key...so they told us.) Needless to say there were a lot of pregnant girls in my high school back then.
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Posted by: lepidopteryx on May 20, 2008 5:54 AM
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I was still flat-chested at a time when all my female classmates were developing breasts. When I voiced my concerns to my mom, she brushed them off. So I went to the library and read medical books. That was how I learned about puberty, and sex, and how babies are made.
Not until I had my first boyfriend in the seventh grade did my mom broach the subject of sex, and the mesasge she gave was confusing, to say the least. On the one hand, sex was only for married people, and it was something that the wife had to put up with if she wanted children. On the other hand, the desire for sex was a feeling that had to be fought until one was married, because no man wanted "damaged goods." How could sex be both something one wanted and couldn't have before marriage, AND something that one was obligated to tolerate after marriage? And why did premarital sex make the girl damaged goods, but not the boy?
There was never any instruction on things like contraception or STD prevention, either form my mom or in school. In fact, that film was the only thing we had that even remotely addressed the subject. The boys got no infomation about what was happening to their bodies during puberty.
Imagine my surprise when I discovered at the age of 17 that sex was FUN!
When I had a daughter, I made sure that she had as much information as I could give her about the good, the bad, the beautiful, and the ugly regarding sex. In addition, I enrolled her in an OWL (Our Whole Lives) class at the Unitarian Church. It's a human sexuality curriculum that they offer through their religious education program. It's NOT abstinence only, and it deals not only with issues like pregnancy and STD's but also with the whole range of expression of sexuality, including variations in sexual orientation. I highly recommend it.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on May 20, 2008 5:55 AM
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In what other area of life are you supposed to deny it's existance until the very moment when you need to know what you're doing? None!
Don't even THINK of trying to improve your performance in order to give your parner more intense pleasure. No! Just take this pill.
Considering that we make males start their life off with an open wound where their sexual organs are, in an area soaked with urine that probably burns like hell, it's no wonder our sexual aspects are so deformed and stunted.
This 'dirty little secret' attitude truly takes one of lifes greatest gifts and turns it into a curse. Tantra people! Turn sexuality back into what it was meant to be, a holy sacrement.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 20, 2008 6:26 AM
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Of course, at the end it became clear with the appearance of the mysterious and remarkable Presbyterian minister who taught a compassionate, fact-based sex ed class.
As SNL's Church Lady would say: Isn't that special. Not to mention quite unbelievable. And then the author makes a strange appeal to readers to continue allowing church-related groups to teach sex ed classes in public schools! Unbelievable! The sheer gall of this ploy is breathtaking.
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Posted by: mtnprivy on May 20, 2008 7:03 AM
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I agree with virtually everthing in this article, and the comments too. . . however. There is a MASSIVE problem with STDs among teenagers, and too many in the adult population as well. I know of many women who have felt decieved by a system that encouraged their abortion, without thoughtful consideration of the new human life involved, or alternatives to the abortion. It seems clear to me that the reaction to the "old attitudes" has not given us the ideal situation either. In the article, seems like the preacher represented the most thoughtful approach of them all.
When I hear persons talk about the "right" to end the life of a fully developed unborn child, ten minutes before they might become fully protected persons under the law, then that makes me ill, just as much as those stories of the old scare tactics. I wonder why it is so hard for us humans to find a middle ground on anything? Perhaps we spend too much of our time reacting and too little thinking. Thanks for all those thinking who wrote this article and comments.
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Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on May 20, 2008 8:28 AM
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If the parents would get more sincerely and honestly involved in this, the information about abortion that the above poster is so worried about would be less of an issue as well. Having an "open mind" would entail explaining to our daughters that the abortion issue is a religious issue, that some people believe that fetuses are human beings, and be honest about the fact that those who believe that also hold the value of the life of the fetus above the value of the life of the pregnant woman. They might also explain the other side of the coin, that many people believe that fetuses have not yet reached the status of human being because they are lacking all recognizable characteristics of humanness, but rather hold all the potential to be a future unique human being, if she, through the miraculous abilities of the female body, feels that she is ready to bring that precious life forward, a hugely life-changing event. I find it a tragedy that young girls who get pregnant often are unable to discuss all this with their parents. If they got pregnant precisely because their parents are in denial about the nature of human sexuality in the first place, then they are left to seek help, information, and support elsewhere.
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on May 20, 2008 8:51 AM
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Moreover abstinence-until-marriage discriminates against gays and lesbians, who are barred by law from marrying in every state except Massachusetts -- and soon California. Does anyone expect gays and lesbians to pledge to refrain form sex until marriage as long as they're not allowed to marry? Get real!
A far better pledge to take is one to act responsibly when being sexually involved with someone; taking all the necessary steps to avoid an unwanted pregnancy and/or contracting a sexually transmitted disease. And to never pressure anyone to have sex with you against the other person's will.
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Posted by: luzmejor on May 20, 2008 9:26 AM
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It is a way of keeping people apart and afraid of trusting each other or even having any close friends.
All of Bush's terrorist talk is designed to do the same thing. Despots always want to keep the populace divided and fighting each other, so they can conquer and control the masses.
Unhappy marriages are an absolute money-maker for them.
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Posted by: Libertine on May 20, 2008 9:37 AM
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In high school, however, it was in mixed-sex classes conducted by the football coach and the emphasis was pregnancy prevention, not abstinence. It was assumed that we would be having sex before we were married, though some attention was given to encouraging us to wait until we were mature enough to handle it.
I remember one class in particular where the coach couldn't stress strongly enough how useless the "withdrawal" method was, telling us that people who used withdrawal were usually more commonly known as "parents".
Abortion had recently become legal when I was in high school, and this, too, was addressed in the classes, with the emphasis being that consistent use of birth control would make this option unnecessary.
Questions were encouraged, no matter how frank, and were answered in an equally frank manner.
The issue of love and relationships as how it related to sex were covered in a separate family living class.
I'm glad I grew up when and where I did and was fortunate enough to receive a comprehensive sex education.
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Posted by: Ayla87 on May 20, 2008 12:39 PM
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Mind you, I live in CT, a fairly liberal state. My friends and I have all recieved the same form of sex ed, and it wasn't abstinince only. I had one friend look me in the eye and tell me "I don't need protection, I never used it with my ex for three years and nothing happened, so why start now?"
That was 9 months ago. She's now 8 months pregnant with a boy.
Virgin: 1 Sex ed: 0
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 20, 2008 1:14 PM
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By now, most of you are laughing or cringing, as is your programmed wont. If you are not doing one or the other what planet are you from, what strange port of call? Because I know you didn’t grow up anywhere in this Solar system! All humans here have been so infected with the virus of Patriarchal Authoritarianism that they can’t even think on this subject without going cross-eyed in angst, ignorance, or just plain Xenophobia.
The Physician for this, (one Wilhelm Reich) was pilloried by the press the U.S. Attorney General, imprisoned, and died there just for attempting to wise up the marks in the form of John Q. Public. All this was in 1957 of course, so you may all plead innocence by way of ignorance. I do not have that luxury I was there and got to see all that crap as it happened.
We have here in this country a small knot of people who remember how this man fought to overcome our baser desires for greed, hatred, revenge, covetousness, and self-loathing that goes with the frustration of a thwarted sex drive. This totally prevalent on the planet and for the same reasons as touched on here, that Reich called the social malfunction an Emotional Plague. In fact he called it: The Emotional Plague of Mankind!
I won’t argue right or wrong with you because it co-notates a moral judgment. We are all in misery from this as it is, we do not need to try to deny its reality. I know the topic is painful, I also know why. I have had to deal with the monster of my social programming myself on my own, just as do you. To do this where authority can see you is to invite attack for your behavior that I assure you will begin to change noticeably.
I caution you that people find themselves being killed by authority for this practice. Once you assume responsibility for your own life, you will be called anarchist and worse. Be prepared, always carry nothing in your hands, and if you must carry a weapon do so in full sight, but get a concealed weapons permit cover all bases. If you believe this sounds paranoid good! It means you haven’t been aware go wake up and see what happens! Good luck!
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Posted by: michellesaid on May 20, 2008 4:51 PM
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They gave each of us a Hershey kiss on the first day, and told us it was our virginity, and if we still had it the next day we would be rewarded, very similar to the chocolate bar! We also were encouraged to sign a paper saying that we would remain abstinent, so we could get our ATM (abstinence 'til marriage) cards, which got you a lot of "buy one get one free" deals at food joints.Ironically enough, they had expiration dates.
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Posted by: GPFrank on May 26, 2008 8:24 AM
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I first visited their voluntary class myself and saw they showed the anatomy of both sexes and everything.
My second son commented he was bored. But much later he said he was afraid that the reason we advocated the class was that we had thoughts about
doing something with him.
Lesson: The child may have extreme sensitivity about raising the subject with him or her, especially when puberty is beginning.
At earlier ages the anatomy pictures might not have much meaning unless one teaches general anatomy of the body which would not be a bad idea at all.(Bone, muscle, nervous system (circulation, breathng, digestion)
Then the context of suddenly showing diagrams of reproduction would not be so startling and off the wall.
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Posted by: taisamarie on May 20, 2008 1:29 AM
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About the only difference was instead of a pastor with the box of condoms and bananas we had one renegade science teacher in 8th grade (who subsiquently was fired) who did the same thing.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 20, 2008 5:25 AM
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We didn't have access to fruit and condoms.. you had to have a note from your father (for a girl) and your mother (for a boy) and you got a polaroid taken of your face which was put up in the front cabinet at the Rexall (where condoms were kept in a locked cabinet for an undetermined price and the township chief of police had the only key...so they told us.) Needless to say there were a lot of pregnant girls in my high school back then.
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Posted by: lepidopteryx on May 20, 2008 5:54 AM
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I was still flat-chested at a time when all my female classmates were developing breasts. When I voiced my concerns to my mom, she brushed them off. So I went to the library and read medical books. That was how I learned about puberty, and sex, and how babies are made.
Not until I had my first boyfriend in the seventh grade did my mom broach the subject of sex, and the mesasge she gave was confusing, to say the least. On the one hand, sex was only for married people, and it was something that the wife had to put up with if she wanted children. On the other hand, the desire for sex was a feeling that had to be fought until one was married, because no man wanted "damaged goods." How could sex be both something one wanted and couldn't have before marriage, AND something that one was obligated to tolerate after marriage? And why did premarital sex make the girl damaged goods, but not the boy?
There was never any instruction on things like contraception or STD prevention, either form my mom or in school. In fact, that film was the only thing we had that even remotely addressed the subject. The boys got no infomation about what was happening to their bodies during puberty.
Imagine my surprise when I discovered at the age of 17 that sex was FUN!
When I had a daughter, I made sure that she had as much information as I could give her about the good, the bad, the beautiful, and the ugly regarding sex. In addition, I enrolled her in an OWL (Our Whole Lives) class at the Unitarian Church. It's a human sexuality curriculum that they offer through their religious education program. It's NOT abstinence only, and it deals not only with issues like pregnancy and STD's but also with the whole range of expression of sexuality, including variations in sexual orientation. I highly recommend it.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on May 20, 2008 5:55 AM
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In what other area of life are you supposed to deny it's existance until the very moment when you need to know what you're doing? None!
Don't even THINK of trying to improve your performance in order to give your parner more intense pleasure. No! Just take this pill.
Considering that we make males start their life off with an open wound where their sexual organs are, in an area soaked with urine that probably burns like hell, it's no wonder our sexual aspects are so deformed and stunted.
This 'dirty little secret' attitude truly takes one of lifes greatest gifts and turns it into a curse. Tantra people! Turn sexuality back into what it was meant to be, a holy sacrement.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 20, 2008 6:26 AM
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Of course, at the end it became clear with the appearance of the mysterious and remarkable Presbyterian minister who taught a compassionate, fact-based sex ed class.
As SNL's Church Lady would say: Isn't that special. Not to mention quite unbelievable. And then the author makes a strange appeal to readers to continue allowing church-related groups to teach sex ed classes in public schools! Unbelievable! The sheer gall of this ploy is breathtaking.
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Posted by: mtnprivy on May 20, 2008 7:03 AM
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I agree with virtually everthing in this article, and the comments too. . . however. There is a MASSIVE problem with STDs among teenagers, and too many in the adult population as well. I know of many women who have felt decieved by a system that encouraged their abortion, without thoughtful consideration of the new human life involved, or alternatives to the abortion. It seems clear to me that the reaction to the "old attitudes" has not given us the ideal situation either. In the article, seems like the preacher represented the most thoughtful approach of them all.
When I hear persons talk about the "right" to end the life of a fully developed unborn child, ten minutes before they might become fully protected persons under the law, then that makes me ill, just as much as those stories of the old scare tactics. I wonder why it is so hard for us humans to find a middle ground on anything? Perhaps we spend too much of our time reacting and too little thinking. Thanks for all those thinking who wrote this article and comments.
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Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on May 20, 2008 8:28 AM
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If the parents would get more sincerely and honestly involved in this, the information about abortion that the above poster is so worried about would be less of an issue as well. Having an "open mind" would entail explaining to our daughters that the abortion issue is a religious issue, that some people believe that fetuses are human beings, and be honest about the fact that those who believe that also hold the value of the life of the fetus above the value of the life of the pregnant woman. They might also explain the other side of the coin, that many people believe that fetuses have not yet reached the status of human being because they are lacking all recognizable characteristics of humanness, but rather hold all the potential to be a future unique human being, if she, through the miraculous abilities of the female body, feels that she is ready to bring that precious life forward, a hugely life-changing event. I find it a tragedy that young girls who get pregnant often are unable to discuss all this with their parents. If they got pregnant precisely because their parents are in denial about the nature of human sexuality in the first place, then they are left to seek help, information, and support elsewhere.
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on May 20, 2008 8:51 AM
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Moreover abstinence-until-marriage discriminates against gays and lesbians, who are barred by law from marrying in every state except Massachusetts -- and soon California. Does anyone expect gays and lesbians to pledge to refrain form sex until marriage as long as they're not allowed to marry? Get real!
A far better pledge to take is one to act responsibly when being sexually involved with someone; taking all the necessary steps to avoid an unwanted pregnancy and/or contracting a sexually transmitted disease. And to never pressure anyone to have sex with you against the other person's will.
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Posted by: luzmejor on May 20, 2008 9:26 AM
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It is a way of keeping people apart and afraid of trusting each other or even having any close friends.
All of Bush's terrorist talk is designed to do the same thing. Despots always want to keep the populace divided and fighting each other, so they can conquer and control the masses.
Unhappy marriages are an absolute money-maker for them.
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Posted by: Libertine on May 20, 2008 9:37 AM
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In high school, however, it was in mixed-sex classes conducted by the football coach and the emphasis was pregnancy prevention, not abstinence. It was assumed that we would be having sex before we were married, though some attention was given to encouraging us to wait until we were mature enough to handle it.
I remember one class in particular where the coach couldn't stress strongly enough how useless the "withdrawal" method was, telling us that people who used withdrawal were usually more commonly known as "parents".
Abortion had recently become legal when I was in high school, and this, too, was addressed in the classes, with the emphasis being that consistent use of birth control would make this option unnecessary.
Questions were encouraged, no matter how frank, and were answered in an equally frank manner.
The issue of love and relationships as how it related to sex were covered in a separate family living class.
I'm glad I grew up when and where I did and was fortunate enough to receive a comprehensive sex education.
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Posted by: hms2004 on May 20, 2008 11:18 AM
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Posted by: badkitty on May 20, 2008 12:06 PM
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Posted by: Ayla87 on May 20, 2008 12:39 PM
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Mind you, I live in CT, a fairly liberal state. My friends and I have all recieved the same form of sex ed, and it wasn't abstinince only. I had one friend look me in the eye and tell me "I don't need protection, I never used it with my ex for three years and nothing happened, so why start now?"
That was 9 months ago. She's now 8 months pregnant with a boy.
Virgin: 1 Sex ed: 0
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 20, 2008 1:14 PM
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By now, most of you are laughing or cringing, as is your programmed wont. If you are not doing one or the other what planet are you from, what strange port of call? Because I know you didn’t grow up anywhere in this Solar system! All humans here have been so infected with the virus of Patriarchal Authoritarianism that they can’t even think on this subject without going cross-eyed in angst, ignorance, or just plain Xenophobia.
The Physician for this, (one Wilhelm Reich) was pilloried by the press the U.S. Attorney General, imprisoned, and died there just for attempting to wise up the marks in the form of John Q. Public. All this was in 1957 of course, so you may all plead innocence by way of ignorance. I do not have that luxury I was there and got to see all that crap as it happened.
We have here in this country a small knot of people who remember how this man fought to overcome our baser desires for greed, hatred, revenge, covetousness, and self-loathing that goes with the frustration of a thwarted sex drive. This totally prevalent on the planet and for the same reasons as touched on here, that Reich called the social malfunction an Emotional Plague. In fact he called it: The Emotional Plague of Mankind!
I won’t argue right or wrong with you because it co-notates a moral judgment. We are all in misery from this as it is, we do not need to try to deny its reality. I know the topic is painful, I also know why. I have had to deal with the monster of my social programming myself on my own, just as do you. To do this where authority can see you is to invite attack for your behavior that I assure you will begin to change noticeably.
I caution you that people find themselves being killed by authority for this practice. Once you assume responsibility for your own life, you will be called anarchist and worse. Be prepared, always carry nothing in your hands, and if you must carry a weapon do so in full sight, but get a concealed weapons permit cover all bases. If you believe this sounds paranoid good! It means you haven’t been aware go wake up and see what happens! Good luck!
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Posted by: michellesaid on May 20, 2008 4:51 PM
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They gave each of us a Hershey kiss on the first day, and told us it was our virginity, and if we still had it the next day we would be rewarded, very similar to the chocolate bar! We also were encouraged to sign a paper saying that we would remain abstinent, so we could get our ATM (abstinence 'til marriage) cards, which got you a lot of "buy one get one free" deals at food joints.Ironically enough, they had expiration dates.
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Posted by: willymack on May 21, 2008 12:07 AM
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Posted by: GPFrank on May 26, 2008 8:24 AM
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I first visited their voluntary class myself and saw they showed the anatomy of both sexes and everything.
My second son commented he was bored. But much later he said he was afraid that the reason we advocated the class was that we had thoughts about
doing something with him.
Lesson: The child may have extreme sensitivity about raising the subject with him or her, especially when puberty is beginning.
At earlier ages the anatomy pictures might not have much meaning unless one teaches general anatomy of the body which would not be a bad idea at all.(Bone, muscle, nervous system (circulation, breathng, digestion)
Then the context of suddenly showing diagrams of reproduction would not be so startling and off the wall.
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