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Sex and Relationships

The Science of Sexuality

By Greta Christina, Greta Christina's Blog. Posted April 25, 2008.


We should stop ignoring scientific findings that do not mesh with our political beliefs.

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When I first came out into the gay community, one of the most common party lines going around was, "Gay parents aren't any more likely to have gay kids than straight parents." Some of the big political battles being fought at the time had to do with gay parenting, and the community was trying to reassure/ convince the straight world that it was "safe" for gay people to have and raise kids, that our kids wouldn't be any more likely to be gay than anyone else's. (Of course, many of us personally thought, "So what if our kids turn out gay? There's nothing wrong with being gay, so why does it matter?" But we knew the straight world didn't feel that way. Hence, the line.)

Not too long after that, I started hearing the party line, "Being gay isn't a choice -- we're born that way." Again, this was used in political discussions and debates, as a way of putting anti-gay discrimination in the same civil rights camp as racist or sexist discrimination ... and as a way of gaining sympathy. Now, this would seem to be in direct contradiction with the "Gay parents aren't any more likely to have gay kids" line. If people are born gay, doesn't that mean it's genetic, and doesn't that mean gay parents are more likely to have gay kids? But in fact, these two party lines overlapped. I heard them both at the same time for quite a while ... and I never heard a good explanation for why they weren't contradictory.

Then I started hearing the strict constructionist line. "Sexual orientation is a social construct," it said. "Our sexuality is formed by our culture. All that 'we're born that way' stuff -- that's biological determinism, rigid, limiting, a denial of the fluid nature of sexuality and sexual identity." (I am embarrassed to admit that I bought and sold this line myself for quite some time, in a pretty hard-line way ... solely because I liked the idea.)

And now ... well, now it's kind of a mess. Some in the queer community say, "it's genetic," and argue that this is a core foundation of our fight for acceptance. Others fear that the "genetic" argument will lead to eugenics, parents aborting their gay fetuses, the genocide of our community. The constructionist line about rigidity and determinism still gets a fair amount of play. And more and more I'm starting to hear the combination theory: sexual orientation is shaped partly by genetics, partly by environment, and may be shaped differently for different people.

And in all of these debates and party lines, here's what I never heard very much of: Evidence to support the theory.

Or, to be more precise: Solid evidence to support the theory. Carefully gathered evidence. Evidence that wasn't just anecdotal, that wasn't just personal experience.

The line of the day -- and the debates in our community surrounding it -- always seemed to be based primarily on personal feeling and political expedience. I'd occasionally hear mention of twin studies or gay sheep or something ... but that was the exception, not the rule. And the line has shifted around over the years, based not on new evidence, but on shifting political needs, and shifting ways that our community has defined itself.

I am profoundly disturbed by the ease with which many in the queer community are willing to dismiss the emerging science behind this question. Yes, of course, scientists are biased, and the research they do often reflects their biases. But flawed as it is, science is still the best method we have for getting at the truth of this question (and any other question about physical reality). Double-blinding, control groups, randomization of samples, replication of experiments, peer review: all of this has one purpose. The scientific method is deliberately designed to filter out bias and preconception, as much as is humanly possible.

It's far from perfect. No reputable scientist would tell you otherwise. Among other things, it often takes time for this filtering process to happen. And it completely sucks when the filtering process is happening on your back: when you're the one being put in a mental institution, for instance, because scientists haven't yet figured out that homosexuality isn't a mental illness. But when you look at the history of science over time, you see a consistent pattern of culturally biased science eventually being dropped in the face of a preponderance of evidence.

And if you're concerned about bias affecting science, I think it's important to remember that many of the scientists researching this question are themselves gay or gay-positive. We can no longer assume that scientists are "them," malevolent or ignorant straight people examining us like freakish specimens. Many of them are us ... and if they're not, they're our allies. Yes, science often reflects current cultural biases ... but right now, the current cultural biases are a lot more gay-positive than they used to be. And that's even more true among highly educated groups such as the scientific community.

But more to the point: What other options are being offered? How else do we propose to answer this question? Or any other question about the possible causes of human behavior? If answering it based on science is subject to bias, then isn't answering it based on our own feelings and instincts even more subject to bias? How can we accuse scientists of bias in their attempts to answer this question -- and use that accusation as a reason to dismiss the science -- when our own responses to the question have been so thinly based on evidence, and so heavily based on personal preference and political expedience?


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This Inquiring Mind Doesn't Want To Know
Posted by: slaird46 on Apr 26, 2008 5:24 AM   
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I have a few ideas myself about what causes sexuality, but I don't know, and personally, I hope they never do find out for sure. Because the minute they do, the battles will begin afresh over what to do with that information.

If there is a significant genetic factor that can be detected in utero, should a woman carrying an unwanted "queer" fetus be allowed/encouraged to have an abortion?

If it turns out to be primarily a "choice," does that make anti-gay sentiment and activities more socially acceptable?

If it turns out to be primarily genetic, will the haters feel any more compassion for queers as a result?

The whole discussion begs the even more important Big Question: What difference does it make?

I can't see one that matters much. What does matter is that all Americans be treated exactly the same, both under the law and in the larger society as well, regardless of sexual orientation or anything else.

If knowing the "answer" to the causes of sexuality contributes anything toward that end, I don't begrudge the money and energy spent finding it. But personally, I doubt it, and believe that both could be better spent.

Whether I'm queer because I chose to be, or because of genes I carry, I expect to be treated the same as anyone else.

Anything else is un-American.

- Stuart Laird, Malaga, Spain
http://expatbear.blogspot.com

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» RE: un-American Posted by: Dboy
A couple of things we do know...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Apr 26, 2008 8:31 AM   
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First of all, it matters because it's politically inconvenient to be persecuting people for something they can't help. We all agree that isn't right, so it becomes a political issue.

First thing we know: we all, gay or straight, have direct access to the process, so we know that it is much more of a discovery than a choice (exceptions later). In my case, girls were all of a sudden the most fascinating things on earth, which they certainly weren't before that. I don't think that would have been much different if I'd been a girl, or if it had been boys, except that in 1958, I would have been very confused and tried to deny it for a long time. Hopefully, today the kids who make that discovery at least know what's happening to them (as, one way or another, it happens to all of us.)

And just as a matter of logic, to make a choice, you have to be attracted to both options. In other words, in this case, bisexual. So that's what the "conservatives" are telling us: that they're bisexual.

And that, of course, is the exception: bisexuals do get to make a choice, or not. As one person told me, "It depends on who you fall for." But that isn't most of us (& I've no idea what the percentages are).

The other thing we know is, in general, the relationship between genetics and their expression. There are situations, like eye color or blood type, where a particular gene has a fixed result; but in general, genes determine how we respond to our environment. The same skin may be very dark or very light depending on how much sun it gets; the same person may be short or tall, depending on their childhood nutrition; and it gets more complicated from there.

So the same genetic makeup might make us gay or straight, depending on our circumstances in the womb or growing up, without us making an iota of choice (again: I didn't, so I assume that most of you didn't, either.)

I would assume that the genetics, and the somatic pathways, are very complex in this case, with a near infinity of different combinations. Human sexuality is no simple matter, and it's definitely subject to social influence.

All of that is just generalities: as the author says, the research on the subject is just getting started, and the subject is very complicated. But I think it's sound biology, at least until some PhD writes in to say I'm all wet.

The political point? Not a whole lot of choice involved, for most people, except on the personal details. And I still think that does matter, politically, though certainly not morally.

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There is no contradiction
Posted by: alternetreader3 on Apr 26, 2008 10:54 AM   
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You are mistaken when you say there is a contradiction between saying that homosexuality is genetic and saying that gay parents aren't more likely to have gay kids.

The reason many right-wingers are against adoptions by gay parents is because they believe the nurturing process by gay parents will cause the kid to be gay. Whenever someone says gay parents aren't more likely to have gay kids, they're implying that nurture does not influence sexuality, which is completely compatible with thinking that homosexuality is genetic.

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» RE: Almost right. Posted by: oregoncharles
» Both wrong Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
Alas, the limits of science...
Posted by: jaidae on Apr 26, 2008 11:39 AM   
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This is a very good proposal. However, there are limits to the science that is praised here: whenever we attempt to apply the scientific paradigm (that works so well in studying the 'hard' sciences) to anything having to do with emotional experience, the method fails. Although it can powerfully assess certain, quantifiable behaviors, it cannot deal with complex emotional issues. Why? Because there is no possible way to set up effective experimental 'controls' when you are dealing with a near infinity of experiential variables.

This is why psychology cannot define emotion - anymore than physics truly comprehends electricity. Science as applied to human experience sooner or later comes down to a statistical treatment of opinion or pretends that a correlation between two micro-variables implies causality.

Human sexual identity, feeling and experience is not a linear process. It involves untold billions of bits of information and experiential data that interact in an (effectively) infinite variability of dimensions, combinations, synergistic effects and uncontrollable exponential explosions of meaning - producing a totality that can perhaps only be written as: "Everything affects everything; and everything is a reflection of everything."

Of course, many areas of human behavior are perceptually or culturally based and so can be studied. How long it takes a red stoplight to be registered in the mind of a driver can be studied. The way sunlight affects mood can be subjectively studied. But sexuality is vast and its experience is unlimited. Sexuality is processed through every memory, experience, feeling, sensation, association, fantasy, dream, belief, relationship experience (etc., ad infinitum) and so cannot yield its experiential magic to effective laboratory study.

So while it is certainly helpful to admit the contribution of science to help explain anything that it can rightly understand, it is a folly to place responsibility on that same science to 'explain' experience, emotion and sexuality when it cannot perform its necessary experimental functions or even begin to control the emotional environment.

The 'best practices' that are evolving through empirical research into anything psychologically related tend to be impersonal, behavioral, mass-marketable, etc. Does this describe (or admit of) your sexual experience?

To remove bias from science - let alone to come up with valid findings - any event must be 1) quantifiable, 2) able to be isolated from related influences (variables) and 3) repeatable under controlled conditions.

Gay or straight or creative other... does your sexual experience 'fit' into the necessary linearity required for true scientific study?

I certainly hope not!

Consider: the most important experiences of our lives occur only once. Because science needs to exclude one-time events, we are left with only the most mundane of human experiences to fill our psychological studies.

Studying sexuality requires a phenomenological approach. Nothing else will do.

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Pointless Question
Posted by: MMonroe on Apr 27, 2008 11:49 AM   
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I think the question concerning the origins of sexual orientation is one that simply does not need to be answered.

Gender preference is only one dimension of sexuality. Next will we be researching whether dominance games have a genetic predisposition? Or maybe monogamy? How about a fondness for group sex?

Maybe instead, we should simply say, "I am a human being and my relationships and desires deserve respect for that reason alone."

We don't need more boxes, or closets, to stick people into, and we don't need science helping to build those boxes. "You over there, we think your sexuality evolved through method A--80 percent genetic, 20 percent social environment. And you, you're a 50/50 guy. As for women, we still haven't come up with an explanation for them."

We need to be more understanding, honest, and tolerant with one another. No matter how scientifically sound an explanation for gender preference in sexuality may be, it cannot give us that

Also, anyone thinking about looking at genetic explanations for anything should read Ruth Hubbard's "Exploding the Gene Myth." At the time the book was written Hubbard was a tenured biologist at Harvard, and her book is a marvelous examination, geared toward laypeople, of the weaknesses in genetic theory.

Joan Roughgarden's "Evolution's Rainbow" is also worth looking at, and Levin and Lewontin's "Not in Our Genes" is a classic.

Lewontin's "Science as Ideology" is another must read for anyone interested in how science attempts to explain human behavior, but often ends up reinforcing dominant ideologies instead.

All of the above books were written by respected biologists, and expose weaknesses in the way questions concerning genetics and the genetic basis of difference are being asked and answered.

Also, why are we queers the deviation? Why isn't anyone trying to explain heterosexulaity? As a bi-woman, both forms of monosexuality strike me as pretty damn odd. Why not use science to try to explain het men for a change?

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» RE: Pointless Question Posted by: mr. joshua
There's a trick!
Posted by: talkville on Apr 28, 2008 3:53 AM   
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Rationalizing experiencing! Experiencing rationalizing! Science or Scientism? With all this measuring, quantifying, dividing, multiplying, scaling, gaging, extending, intensifying, managing, evaluating and re-evaluating, it seems there's little time left for encountering and sharing. My "Mind" AND my Brain are both all f____d UP, and BELOW things are getting number and number. For THAT there's Viagra or Cialis. That way, one can go through the motions while we practice-by-numbers on this marvelous set of facts and figures we have learned from the research.

"We murder to dissect" -- Wordsworth.

Sometimes physically, sometimes mentally. Sym-pathy, Em-pathy, Tele-pathy. A meeting of minds-- the perfect Contract; the perfect Birth Control. Forget the Body; Mind-Meld! Leave exploring and getting to know and understand an Other to the Scientists and Doctors who, for a price, will explain how it all works. Or, for a price, read all about it. It's just another kind of 'diet'.

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"it doesn't matter"
Posted by: Crazy H on Apr 28, 2008 10:50 AM   
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BINGO!

I've made that argument for years on the nature-vs-nurture question. Who gives a damn if homosexuality is gentic or not?

If two (or more) humans interact in a manner that has no bearing on my life whatsoever - what difference is it to me?

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gay germ theory
Posted by: Drowssap on Apr 28, 2008 8:16 PM   
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I know it's radioactive but the gay germ theory is the only plausible theory I have ever read.

Out magazine article on the gay germ theory written by Caleb Crain.

It sounds kind of crazy until you realize just how many things are changed by germs and viruses.

Hand orientation switched by meningitis exposure. Go down to page 17 (chapter 2.2)

Main article

OCD/Tourettes triggered by Strep infection.

Peeking into a Child's Brain
He says that 80 to 90 percent of those with OCD and Tourette’s are strep carriers. “They may not get a sore throat but they can shed the bacterium,” he explains. “Something is different about their immune system.”

Human Narcolepsy triggered by virus.

Toxoplasma infection linked to Schizophrenia.

Encephalitis virus linked to Schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia & Autism linked to common flu virus.

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» RE: gay germ theory Posted by: Drowssap
» Pseudo-science babbling Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
» RE: Pseudo-science babbling Posted by: Drowssap
Defining "genetic"
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 30, 2008 1:15 PM   
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I'm a neuroendocrinology researcher, we study the effects of hormones on the brain (and vice-versa). The science of sexuality is sort of a pet issue of mine, just because the mis-use of science on the topic is pretty widespread.

One of the things that gets confused by folks who are both for and against gay rights is the term "genetic". "Genetic" and "hereditary" are not synonyms.

I am pretty certain that innate human sexual preference is "genetic" at many levels.

There is the genetic component they call "germline" meaning the genes that are from both of your parents, the genes that are in the zygote upon the first cell division. This is one aspect of the word "genetic". Purely "hereditary".

The other aspect is, in my opinion, much more relevant to human sexual preference, which is epigenetic.

The easiest example I can think of for epigenetics is moles or beauty marks. If you have a mole on your face, it is not because one of your parents had one in that exact same spot- something happened AFTER you had received all of your genes. Memory, interestingly enough, is also largely epigenetic. You don't inherit your parents' memories, but your own memories are very much encoded in post-translational modifications of your neurons' genes.

Hormones are transcription factors, they turn on and off genes all the time. They are also very soluble and so they easily pass through most membranes. And so if a pregnant woman had, for example, high levels of cortisol- the main stress hormone- those hormones could reach the developing fetus (the placenta is a very specialized membrane with high levels of an enzyme called 11-beta-hsd2 which breaks down most normal levels of cort, but not always) and cause EPIgenetic changes. There is also some interesting new research pointing to the idea that diet-related hormones like maybe ghrelin can influence gender. Crocodiles, for example choose gender entirely on an epigenetic variable: temperature of the egg.

In fact, there is some evidence that maternal hormone levels are exactly what "causes" homosexuality in some cases. There is a famous example of a British town that was bombed repeatedly by the Nazis during WWII, and a very high percentage of pregnancies carried during that time resulted in gay male offspring.

I have some resistance to telling that example because SOME will certainly call it "the mother's fault" if a child is gay, or misuse the term "mutation". And there are also examples where a person's sexuality is what it is because of experience- a female friend was badly sexually abused by her father while growing up and now chooses to date women. In her case it may be more of a "choice" than "genetic" - but either way she should be able to do what she wants. I think the issue- as it is presented- of "is it a choice or is there a 'gay gene'" is really more an issue of people justifying their intolerance with religion than anything else. What does it matter if it IS a choice?

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» RE: Defining "genetic" Posted by: Drowssap
» Begining from an erroneous assumption Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
Who is really ignoring the growing body of scientific evidence?
Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan on May 2, 2008 9:38 PM   
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"I am profoundly disturbed by the ease with which many in the queer community are willing to dismiss the emerging science behind this question. "

I am disappointed by the amount of unsubstantiated projection within this particular article. What strikes me about the article is that the author, more than any other GLBTQ person I've read or discussed this with, is not only ignoring the accumulating evidence, but arguing against other people's position on that data, based on solely on her rather pejorative assumptions about other people's motives: "so heavily based on personal preference and political expedience?".

My experience of more than 20 years, knowing hundreds of GLBQT people from all walks of life, is that their beliefs on the matter are based on their direct experience ("I know I did not chose") and as much of the current science as they understand (which is often a great deal). It is often in conflict with what they would prefer or what would be socially or politically expedient.

"We should not be thinking about this question on the basis of which answer we would like to be true."

I've said it before and no doubt, I'll say it again - it is wrong to make false accusations about people's motives. There is no evidence, at all, to suggest that GLBTQ people who accept and testify to the 'born gay' position are chosing 'the one they would like to be true'. And the fact of the matter is that this particular derogatory accusation is one made frequently by people who openly condemn GLBTQ.

Personally, I find the broad, negative, sweeping generalizations about GLBTQ people in this prose to be extremely suspicious and self-serving. The utter lack acknowledgement of the diversity of opinion among GLBTQ people about this topic, and of the overwhelming openness to research, suggests an intent to malign and deceive.

To me, phrases like 'the party line' are an immediate red flag, a warning that hyperbole, exageration and expedient deception are soon to follow.

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