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Sex and Relationships

The Sexual Self-Interest of the Cuckolded Wife

By Susie Bright, SusieBright.com. Posted September 5, 2007.


How does Suzanne Craig, wife of the outed senator, stand next to her liar of a husband at a press conference and not hurl her guts?
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How does Suzanne Craig, wife of the outed Senator, stand next to her disgraced Potty Liar of a husband at a press conference, and not hurl her guts?

She's not the first political wife to put on a show. The spectacle of a prominent woman standing by her man, now revealed to be an adulterer -- and of a bent that she could never satisfy -- is one of bewildering aspects of the recent Prig-Freak scandals.

Some say there's one explanation for the wifely stoicism: "She's protecting her investment."

Certainly, with the money and prestige involved in a  "First Lady"-type of profession, this makes practical sense. Maybe if the reporters called Mrs. Craig after the divorce settlement is signed, and her social future is assured, they'd get an earful that would make their drums bleed.

However, there's a part to the cuckquean's inevitable reaction that is completely denied, because of our cultural inability to imagine a woman's sexual outrage. We don't even commonly use this word for a female cuckold, which is remarkable considering the extent of the experience. It's not just GOP Christian SAHM's who are going through this.

Let us consider the cuckquean's complaint:

She's in shock. She can't believe the guilty plea either, because once she accepts her husband's true behavior,  the "everything-is-a-lie" nausea will overtake her. There'll be months -- or years -- where she  doesn't feel like she can trust her guts, make simple decisions, or keep up with cursory obligations. Getting out of bed and giving a shit will become major struggles.

Did she know all along? Half the women with closeted-gay husbands I've spoken to over the years have confided, that yes, they had a clue. The others say they were blindsided.

In some cases we see married men who openly proposed to their fiancée, "You're my last chance, you've cured me; now that I've found you I'll never stray again." The tender girls believed it. They believed it because of their inadequate sexual education, and  because it was so flattering to feel that special, the romantic ideal. "Sublimate your sexuality to devote yourself to your husband's transformation!" --It never works, and yet it keeps getting takers.

Because significant numbers of women are forgiving of their husband's sexual past, some of them are LESS homophobic than their closeted husbands. They often feel emotional sympathy for the gay common man -- they wish more straight guys would lighten up in the loafers. Even if they don't "get it" yet, these women are attracted to an androgynous sensibility. If they were out of the closet, they would call themselves fag-hags, and look for a wonderful bisexual man to settle down with.

I remember being confronted once, on the Phil Donahue TV program, during his great decline into talk show balderdash, by a "gay conversion couple" from Exodus.

 The "recovered husband" gently held his arm around his very pregnant wife. When I asked her, "Do you find that there's something special about your husband that was hard to find in other guys?" -- she turned bright red. Tears sprung to her eyes, and I was afraid I'd break her water.

"Stop it!" she cried. "He's artistic and sensitive and has feelings; that doesn't mean he's gay!"Her inarticulate anguish spoke louder than her protestations.

Most cuckqueans feel authentic love from their husbands. They aren't just doing his wash and spitting out brats--  they feel adored and confided to, relied upon, and engaged in their marital partnership. Their terrible secret is the silence in the bedroom.

Then it all comes out, thanks to your friendly neighborhood undercover cop. The badge flashes, and your life is over. Everyone knows your husband had 'homosexual relations," and he's still blithering that it was nothing but a "wide stance." The earth splits open between you.


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Susie Bright is an author, editor, and journalist known for her original and pioneering work in sexual politics and erotic expression. She writes about sex and politics every day at her blog.

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closested men are attractive to straight women
Posted by: may261989 on Sep 5, 2007 5:20 PM   
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A girl at my workplace ( fundie christian ) is engaged to a gay man. She doesnt know it though ( virginal, innocent ,first boyfriend ) yet you can tell within 2 seconds of meeting this guy.
But he loves her, treats her like a queen, buys all her clothes,shoes etc, takes her to chick flicks (always his choice ) so she thinks he's the perfect man ( the poor thing has no idea what a bunch of insensitve non communicative bastards straight men really are :)
I guess if I was a self loathing homosexual, Conservative politics/religion would be the thing for me as well, the girls are an easy mark and will keep the secret for fear of humiliation.
The dilemma for those who care about her is obvious. How do you tell a girl who is in love for the first time that her husband to be is gay. You dont , you cant. And that folks, is why this happens time and time again.

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she has the right
Posted by: bisexualcenterdotcom on Sep 5, 2007 7:39 PM   
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The wife has the right to choose and change her sexuality. She should care none of others' opinions and thoughts.

Knox
www.bisexualcenter.com

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» you're an idiot. nm Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: she has the right Posted by: LindaB
cuckquean
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 6, 2007 4:37 AM   
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You learn a new word every day.

Interesting about Karl Rove's dad. If it's true, it might help explain some of the dancing squirrels inside his son's head. Poor little Karl: "Mommy, why does Daddy kiss the milk man?"

As for the article, it seems a bit one-sided, as if having a spouse who is physically distant or worse is only traumatic for women. It seems like an equal opportunity type of problem.

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Really quite simple!!
Posted by: The Populist on Sep 6, 2007 12:07 PM   
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Q: "How does Suzanne Craig, wife of the outed Senator, stand next to her disgraced Potty Liar of a husband at a press conference, and not hurl her guts?"

A: It's her job!!! Sort of like the strap-on she has in the top drawer of her bureau.

This article didn't completely make me feel ill!!

GJ! Now please stop, go back to your KY Blog!!

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This is all a bit complicated
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Sep 6, 2007 12:35 PM   
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having read the article, I was not too sure of the point being made, but enjoyed the various categorisations of "typical"relationships - all very orientated towards a US centric view of role models.

When you get to the chase, if Craig likes to go cottaging either he is a repressed gay, or he is bisexual. If he is the latter, I would recommend swinging, as a) you don't get arrested, and b) the wife can join in the fun.

If however, he is gay, and that the marriage was a complete fake, then he is a) a very sad person to whom one should show compassion, and b) a raging hypocrit who votes anti gay at every chance and should be despised.

As for Mrs Craig? who knows what she knew before she married him and what she learnt afterwards. I just think that living the republican dream means that whatever the answer, she is screwed. much better to be a bohemian liberal in Greenwich village.

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» Best Alternet screen name ever Posted by: hurricane hugo
Seriously...
Posted by: toblo on Sep 7, 2007 12:57 AM   
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What is it that makes feminists imagine that recommending the SCUM manifesto is a Good thing? The first time I read it I was conviced it was joke, hilarious in its spoof on rabid feminist sexism. It makes me disgusted to see how this poor womans insanity and sad attempt at "relevance through shooting a famous man" is swallowed up by people who should definitely know better.

I thought it was a good, thoughtful article on this sad subject, but would have had a lot more respect for the authour without the "It's Ok To Hate All Men" candy thrown in (I guess) to appease the more sexist part of the feminist spectrum. Sexism is either Not OK or OK - by referring in a positive way to the SCUM manifesto you have said that it is OK.

Can you imagine what people would think if someone supported a similar manifesto about hating women? Would you think that person was an a-hole, or what? Seriously?

Aside from that, there was an interesting section about "There being no biological basis for the 'hide your lust' behaviour among 'good' women, endorsed in (AFAIK) most cultures"

An explanation that occurs to me is that not 'showing lustfulness' makes it seem like the woman would be harder to seduce into infidelity - something that should be very attractive to male mate (once he'd secuced her himself)

Men who are attracted to the less 'lustful' women could have had an evolutionary advantage, given that the women actually Were less prone to infidelity (since there would be higher probability that the offspring that the couple raise together would actually be His offspring)

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» RE: Seriously... Posted by: ankhet
» RE: Seriously... Posted by: toblo
» RE: Seriously... Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Seriously... Posted by: dwilliamsamh
» RE: Seriously... Posted by: goeswithness
» RE: What about a broadway play? Posted by: goeswithness
» RE: Seriously... Posted by: ankhet
why american hypocrise
Posted by: richholland on Sep 7, 2007 2:04 AM   
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the last 2000 years men and women fuck around.
rich people tell the poor what to do and then do what they want.
in many countries prostitution is an institute for ages.
why so hysterical?????
freedom

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GW's fault
Posted by: AlterGWBego on Sep 7, 2007 3:22 AM   
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How long before we make it Bush's fault. That's right, GW or better yet Evil Rove convinced her to stand there like a dummy.

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» RE: GW's fault Posted by: VZEQICVA
How about this possibility?
Posted by: JDBishop5 on Sep 7, 2007 3:28 AM   
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He is being railroaded in a homophobic nightmare that we would oppose if he were liberal, and

She loves her husband.

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» RE: How about this possibility? Posted by: SatanicJamboree
» Its not homophobia... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
sexual self-confidence is certainly a Good Thing, but hardly the only thing
Posted by: Suzon on Sep 7, 2007 4:11 AM   
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"But the only thing that ever really belonged to her -- to her alone -- was her sexual identity and self-confidence. Her STUFF."

The writer seems to be stuck on one note. There is life above the waist as well as below it.

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Cuckqueans Galore
Posted by: cashelboylo on Sep 7, 2007 4:24 AM   
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About a year ago, Laura Bush ostentatiously decamped the marital home in the White House for a room in the Mayflower Hotel.
The First Lady was rumoured to have caught the President in a compromising situation with the Secretary of State, but that could hardly be the reason.
Women who marry into wealth and power know very well what they are getting into and they understand it is not sweet romance and fidelity.
This must be even more clear when they knowingly marry a lying, drunken, coke-snorting, duty-dodging, closet homosexual.
Such marriages have not been all that unusual amongst America's ruling families over the past two hundred years.
The common prototype for this sort of union calls only for the production of at least one offspring (or maybe twins), lots of "happily married couple" photo-ops and dutiful wifely public support. Outside of those items, the marriage often doesn't really exist.
There have been several statements outing Gay George with some blunt statements from alleged eyewitnesses and co-participants. There must surely be many more such bombshells in the works.
Laura may have been simply ostentatiously distancing herself from looming disaster.
Her unnecessarily very public move to the Mayflower (she could easily have retired to Crawford, visited troops overseas etc etc...) is part of a process that started at least a year earlier.
Her public appearances with Bush have diminished markedly in number and importance.
Now, she has developed a “pinched nerve” that leaves Bush to take Rice with him on his jaunt to Iraq and Australia.

My Husband and I
To the tune of Cigareetes and Whiskey and Wild Wild Women, as recorded by Red Ingles.

Oh my husband and I we're doin' quite well
Sendin' thousands of Muslims to fry in Hell
A new Middle East is what we demand
If we don't get it, we'll make it all sand

A new Middle East to my husband's plan
Our Crusade's gonna make it a bran' new land
And those who don't like it will surely fail
My husband and I we shall prevail

We're now the rulers, we're runnin' the world
My husband decides and his foes I derides
Together we make up a regular team
With Laura alongside, it's all quite a scream

Cashel Boylo

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» RE: Cuckqueans Galore Posted by: amberthyst
There are all sorts of marriages in this world...
Posted by: goeswithness on Sep 7, 2007 5:18 AM   
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There have been couples who are pretty happy without sex or in-loveness. Yes, it's kind of an arrangement, but it's not usually as sinister as it sounds. They're still building a life together, they still function together well, and leaving each other alone to their respective business is part of it. Even when money is a part of the reason she's there, it doesn't mean there isn't love of a sort between them. Oh well, that's the way people are. I think it's true that the worse thing is when there is dishonesty and my favorite paragraph here was about how that robs the other of her/his right to decide how to deal with the situation. On the other hand, sometimes the partner really doesn't want to know.

I never saw that SCUM thing before and I hope I never see it again. How repugnant. Somebody needs a therapist, bad! I was thinking about the men in my life. I'm as feminist as anybody, and I get as mad as anyone else does at the injustice I still see towards my sex, but I love the men in my life in my life and reading something like that just makes me want to wrap my protective arms around them all.

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This article seems to have missed its own point!
Posted by: Gravitas on Sep 7, 2007 5:21 AM   
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How does the Senator's wife stand up there without pucking? As the author said, some women go into denial. But it is hard to tell from the author's tone if she is compassionate or critical of them.

Other commenters have pointed out that rich women know the rules of the game. They don't expect monogamy. BINGO! And if they go into it for economic security, social status, or other practical reasons and are willing to look the other way, that is their business.

I think one solution is simply to end the myth that sex always equals love. For those out there who have fairy tale relationships, good for you, I don't want to take it away. But for many people, life long monogamy is just not realistic. Maybe people should free themselves from the white picket fence propaganda. Not everyone is cut out for marriage. Some marriages work better if there is an open arrangement. There is no one size fits all relationship, gay or straight.

When I look at what I hate about my life in my late 40s, I can honestly say there were two lies that contributed to my downfall. One, if you become thin you will live happily ever after. Two, if you find Prince Charming you will live happily ever after. The are both delusions designed to keep women distracted from avenues of real self determination. I spent my energy on things that were totally irrelevant,and thus unprepared to meet the real crises that came my way. If I could go over and redo my life, I would give myself an early education on the myths we instill in young women. I would instead focus on financial savy, and career flexibility. And I would find some wise woman to preach to me that the best relationship is the one you have with yourself, it is not out there waiting for you in the form of a prince on a white horse.

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Realist
Posted by: vincen13 on Sep 7, 2007 6:23 AM   
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No person should subjugate themselves to another person sexually, economically or emotionally. Mrs. Craig must have known. It is her personal responsibility to know and to take care of herself. This author is making a lot of presumptions. Maybe Mrs. Craig has a female lover and the marriage is merely a social convenience for them both.

I quickly tire of strident "feminist" writing that instantly sees woman as victim. Woman is only victim if she allows it. There is plenty of help out there, get some.

If I were her I would not stand beside this man as he tries to weasel his way out of his truth. Don't give him cover, let this guy stand up to the furor by himself.

Our culture is infected with a self-righteous virus. I've read before about Karl Rove's parents. Is it any wonder that he was one of the architects of the anti-gay, "family values" attack on the country? My, my, my! Just like Hitler's step-father hating him for being Jewish. When some men don't deal with their stuff their internalized self-loathing can ruin the world.

I feel sad for Larry Craig and his family because his private life has become spectacle. But at least he is out of the closet now!

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what?
Posted by: Kryptman40k on Sep 7, 2007 6:24 AM   
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I think this article rambles a lot....but the real issue seems to be the way we look at marriage and the older generations ability to cling to the idea of romantic love..

Failed marriages and sexual misery? What do you expect from people who's only instinct is to get married before 24? They feel they aren't "real" successful people unless they are married and having kids like everybody else. Most of us have no idea who we even are until we hit 30 (if then)... why would we need to be married before that?

The problem is the American Dream. Go to college, get married, get a job, buy a house. All so you can pay for all your kids crap and further the economy. Buy more. The American dream which, btw, is being trashed in the sub-prime market.

Feminism plays a part in the American dream, but women can reject it if they so choose. As I recall the feminist movement has been around for a long time........and all you women out there can read books just like I can. I can't feel sorry for people who don't educate themselves and move through life like lemmings.

Yes, there is a lot of shitty horrible sexism out there. But if you don't arm yourself against it and try to change your own life how can you complain when everything comes out pear shaped on the other end?

Here is an idea...

...only marry a person if you are well and TRULY in love and know the person inside and out.... and maybe, just maybe, you won't end up being lied to, cheated on, or in front of CNN's news cameras.

Besides, I think it has more to do with her financial security. At her age I doubt sex is really on her mind. And who is to say she isn't out boning pool boys in her prime? Lets be open to some real feminist ideas here shall we?

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I'M NOT SURE IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 7, 2007 7:07 AM   
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So Craig humiliates his wife and then wonders what all the fuss is about. She's just pathetic and can't imagine packing a bag and walking out. Vitter's wife played the same role. Some women can justify any behavior in a man they "love", and truly believe that they should be forgiving. Mrs. McGreevy (NJ) dumped her husband. That simple. It would be interesting to ask them why they make their decision to stay or go. Thanks, ANNA

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Jay Sheen
Posted by: sheen7334 on Sep 7, 2007 7:34 AM   
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What a fabulous article. Just, wow.

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Mrs. Craig deserves compassion and respect for bearing up under an extreme situation
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 7, 2007 7:38 AM   
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Mrs. Craig deserves compassion and respect. She has been publicly humiliated in front of the entire USA much as Hillary with Monica. BUT THIS IS "WORSE." Her husband is gay and having anonymous gay sex in bathrooms!

While I have tons of gay friends (I live in SF), I imagine this must be one of the most humiliating things a good Christian Republican woman can endure. Even if we hate her, hate her husband's politics, hate their religion, hate his hypocrisy, etc..

she deserves peace and quiet.

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Ummm...Lets See...Who Does This Remind Us Of?...Wait.Wait.Umm.Why Its Stand by Your Man, Hillary!
Posted by: michaelo on Sep 7, 2007 7:44 AM   
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AUGUST 1, 2007
BREAD AND ROSES: Why Hillary Can’t Be President
Should gender apartheid be the issue for a female candidate?

BY JENNIFER L. ZIEMANN

The other day I had a most interesting conversation with a woman I met who was as Democrat as one can be. She was an intelligent, well-educated and independent woman. I could not help but like her. I listened as she discussed politics, in particular Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidency. I left the conversation with one thing she said ringing through my head. In the course of our conversation she mentioned “how wonderful it would be if Hillary became the first woman President, you know it’s a woman thing”.

I have reflected upon my conversation with this intelligent, likable woman a lot over the past few weeks and something began to bother me. “It’s a woman thing” is precisely why Hillary Clinton cannot be the next President of the Unites States, let alone the first woman President.

FOR MORE OF THIS ARTICLE . CLICK THE ABOVE LINK

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Storms in teacups
Posted by: wisewebwoman on Sep 7, 2007 7:57 AM   
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Another great distraction. This man could possibly have been driven to sex in bathrooms by his own private fetish, but more ostensibly by the puerile bias of American society against gays.

This woman knew. Whether she was in a marriage of convenience, fame-by-association (" I'm with the great man" syndrome) or has sexual issues herself (incested, etc.) we can speculate ad nauseum as to her stoic standby stance (no pun intended!). A la a lot of women. This spousal tradeoff is common - one only need look at the Duchess of Windsor and her learning homosexual sexual tricks to entrap the Duke, ex-Edward VIII. Many wives such as the Duchess are used as bait to ensnare attractive men for the husband - I know of two such marriages.

His only criminality lies in the fact that if he was having unprotected sex and bonking her he was exposing the mother of his children to terrible risks, HIV, AIDS, other STDs.

The thing is there are endless permutations to the matings of our species. I feel this article is far too narrow. My guess is that there is a much broader spectrum to the life of one Mrs. Craig.

I would ponder on this rather than slot her into the Pathetic and Downtrodden file. Unless she writes a book or grants an interview, we are never to know. But my guess is she damn well knew and there is far, far more to the story.

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Susie, please interview me
Posted by: wonkywriter on Sep 7, 2007 8:26 AM   
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I'm a gay man who was a virgin when I married my wife. When we were dating, I told her that I was attracted to men sexually but had never had sex--with anyone. It was in the early '70's. I had grown up in a small Bible Belt town. The only movie I had seen that depicted gay sex was Midnight Cowboy and it did nothing to encourage my prospects of finding happiness in the arms of a man.

As Ms. Bright writes, I saw marriage as the key to the kingdom of normalcy. I love children and wanted a couple of my own. My now-ex-wife is herself a feminist who left the Catholic Church in her twenties. She was active in the Sexual Freedom League for a while before we met. She was no naive neophyte when it came to sex. We were very much in love, complete with great sex.

For over two decades, we kept our promise to each other to remain faithful. However, I soon discovered that practicing monogamous heterosexuality did not cure my gay inclinations. It hardly mattered. I had a family to help raise and went to bed every night with another human being who loved me as much as I loved her. I was too busy working, sharing the housework, and having fun to feel sorry for myself. Besides, it seemed a much better situation to be in than lurking around airport bathrooms.

Eventually, my wife began to feel--as Susie relates--less and less accepted in her fullness as a woman. We sought professional help, as we were prone to do when the waters got a little choppy. In what was a twist of fate so ironical that I still have to wonder at it all, our therapist asked us if we would be interested in appearing on a local TV talk show with Dr. Patricia Love, co-author of Hot Monogamy: Essential Steps to More Passionate, Intimate Lovemaking. We were the "poster couple" for how to keep the passion alive over a quarter century of marriage. Within a couple of years, we were divorced and our therapist, herself recently-divorced, had come out as a lesbian. Yes, life is truly stranger than fiction, expecially when it comes to sex.

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A lot of abused wives don't leave because
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 7, 2007 8:28 AM   
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their abusive husbands have played on or created such a negative image of them. These guys subtlely work on these women to convince them that they may as well stay, because if they leave no one else will want them. They are ugly and repulsive, and sexually undesirable. THAT is why he looks elsewhere. If she were more of a woman, he wouldn't have to seek anyone else. So it is HER fault that he is abusive, gay, or any other excuse for his behavior. This woman does not need religion or politics, she needs therapy. And she needs to kick him to the curb.

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» Is it really that common? Posted by: Torgo
» probably Posted by: bluebirdella
"Is it possible that. . .Craig was bisexual. . .?"
Posted by: stoicnag on Sep 7, 2007 8:39 AM   
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When I read, "Is it possible that a man like Craig was bisexual. . .?" I envisioned Craig in a unisex public bathroom, tapping one foot at a man, and the other foot at a woman, giddy with anticipation. . . .

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robflam
Posted by: robflam on Sep 7, 2007 8:44 AM   
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Maybe she is just stupid. It happens

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Women often make me
Posted by: im1013 on Sep 7, 2007 9:12 AM   
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ashamed to be a woman. I personally don't know how Mrs. Craig, Mrs. Vitter, OR Mrs. Clinton could possibly stand there next to their husbands like so much used up and trampled-on "baggage"- it makes me sick. I lost all respect for Hillary on that day. If she had any self-respect at all she would have thrown Bill out of the White House! I know that would never happen, but at least I would have respected her then.

As for the SCUM manifesto.. it is kind of entertaining because I actually have been involved with men, and known many others who fit that description to a "T". However, I also have been involved with couple that were not at all like the disconnected, self-absorbed creeps that it describes.. however, they do seem to be the minority. I really think that the problem is that men, as well as women, are being brainwashed by all the advertising and media bullshit.

I was recently horrified to hear my 16 year old step-daughter talking about her boyfriend and how "he has to have his women", and that's just something that she's learned to live with because all the boys are like that, the "cool" ones, anyway. I'm not sure who to be more mad at... him, for swallowing all of the crap about being a "big man" with all of his "bitches".... or her, for even considering putting up with it!

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My Experience
Posted by: oldmaninhisunderwear on Sep 7, 2007 9:44 AM   
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In the late 60's and 70's (my prime) I discovered an attraction to older women (40's +). I was a good-looking kid with long hair and a decent body who was sexually attracted to older women. I concentrated my attentions thus and, those being the pre-AIDS days, had no shortage of partners. Hard to explain my situation in a synopsis but I was being passed around within a group of mostly married women. I mention this because a lot of these women would confide to me that their husbands would not fuck them and, in fact, were gay. At that time, they stayed with them for the financial security or social pressures. Some had arrangements with the husband to have sexual partners outside of the marriage. Most of the women seemed very stressed. This was in So. Calif. and maybe my personal data is skewed by the era and area but I got the impression that a huge amount of homosexual men were married to women. The women I knew, of course, found their own ways to ease this stress.

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maybe...
Posted by: Moira61 on Sep 7, 2007 12:57 PM   
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she loves him, which makes this whole story even more sad. Maybe we're witnessing someone's heart breaking. Just a thought.

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Not a doormat
Posted by: trillian on Sep 7, 2007 1:22 PM   
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Interesting article. I think that I personally fit into a whole new unchartered category. I did not know my husband was gay when we married 24 years ago. But I was not sexually naive nor would I classify myself as a fag hag. After 17 years of marriage I discovered his "dirty little secret". We are still together (its now been 7 years since I found out) and are doing very very well. But its on new terms. I insisted we redefine our relationship so that I would be free to experience sex outside the marriage and he is free to be himself.. no more hiding in a closet.
Just because one stays married after making this discovery that ones mate is bent, does not mean that one is a doormat. I stay because I love him, I enjoy him and because I want to. I am not his front nor a mere roommate. I am his wife.
trill

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just a thought...
Posted by: hannah on Sep 7, 2007 2:07 PM   
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I haven't really paid close attention to this story in great detail because to me it is a personal story and therefore, none of my business. (Don't know why it should be everyone else's business anyway) But I have heard that Senator and Mrs. Craig's adult children are actually her children from another father, not actually Senator Craig's biological children. If that is the case, then could it be possible that this was a marriage of convenience. That some years back, Senator Craig realized that if he wanted to pursue a career in conservative politics, especially in his particular area of the country, he would need to "appear" heterosexual. So he approached this dear lady and gave her a pitch that went something like: I would be able to support you comfortably and I need a wife to be able to enter politics, even though I am homosexual. I will always stay married to you as long as I am in politics and will support you in a custom that you could no doubt become accustomed to. And she agreed. Why not? It would benefit both for their separate reasons. They never counted on Senator Craig being outed through a stupid mistake. And if this were actually the case, then it is a very sad story indeed.

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In Defence Of The Author
Posted by: gradioc on Sep 7, 2007 5:31 PM   
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Just about all of the objections to this article were of a sort that drives me nuts. "She didn't talk about this or that aspect enough." Go write your own article. She wrote what she was thinking and I found it very interesting.I often run across this type of criticism and always object to it. If you want to say something about men dealing with a similar situation or the intellectual side of a woman's reaction, by all means, write it. I doubt it will be as good as the article I just read.That being said, I will object to the attempt to feminize the word cuckold. Cuckold (from Norman French through Old English, blah, blah, blah) refers to the cuckoo's habit of placing its eggs in another bird's nest and tricking them into raising offspring not genetically related to them. As has often been said, "Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe." While men have been known to "adopt" their own bastards, at least a woman whose man's tastes outside the marraige run a bit light in the loafers doesn't have to worry about that.Like misogynist, there really is no English equivalent for the feminine side of it.I guess in the old days they called a woman whose husband strayed a wife.

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Many cultures prearrange marriages
Posted by: JERSEYDAN on Sep 7, 2007 7:43 PM   
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I live in an Indian neighborhood. Most of the marriages have been prearranged, at least in the older generation. They seem to do quite well. Go figure.

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american dream superior to any other culture
Posted by: richholland on Sep 8, 2007 2:45 AM   
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my neighbour is Iranian; he told me the age of the wife should be 50% and 7 years. So agirl of 14 should have a husband of (7 and 7=14
A husband of 60 ( 30 and 7 ) makes 37
most cultures think marriage also involves the families.....
probably the money after deforcing influences american habitudes.

Another thing is if a policelady/man undercover plays hooker or dealer, legally seen this is forbidden in Europe,.

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Ever been to Idaho?
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 8, 2007 7:10 AM   
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In the conservative confines of our inland mountain states, Larry Craig could not have considered public office if he had been honest with himself. But, paradoxically, his wife would have little support for outing him, because its a patriarchical culture and men are entitled to whatever they want on the side. The 1950s myth of the perfect nuclear family is alive and well in those parts, and any deviation threatens the entire social order.

My advice to Craig's wife: move to one coast or the other and let him fend for himself. Liberals shouldn't be so quick to judge her if they don't understand the rewards of keeping mum. Or didn't you see Brokeback Mountain?

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Here's Hoping....
Posted by: lakeel on Sep 8, 2007 12:51 PM   
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Dear Kryptman40K:
Guess in your comment I missed just how you were certain the partner you were referring was gay- or if you know for certain.
It would be very unfortunate, indeed, if rumors that were not proven or true reached the woman in your office.

I lived with a man for 30 years before he revealed his interest in men. He had a very healthy sexual appetite until the last several years, and by then he was old enough to have performance issues, so really didn't see myself in the article.

On occasion his behavior struck me as juvenile, like he needed to mature emotionally in some areas, and I later found out that is not unusual in someone, especially men, who have suppressed their sexual orientation, but to this day I do not see any mannerisms, etc., that would single him out in a crowd- big guy, deep voice, which is why I discourage people from making assumptions.

We had our problems, probably should have split earlier, but had several children and a family background that sent the message that if one stuck with it, problems in a marriage could be worked out. I accept my part of responsibility for not leaving earlier, and for the fact that some of the discord were issues related to me, also.

I have no idea if my husband had any male partners before we divorced- I asked for safety purposes, but he said he hadn't, and all my tests have been fine for 5+ years, so no need to push for details.

The reason that I began to question him was that he had begun drinking quite a bit at night, closing himself in his office, so over dinner one night (kids in college by that time), I asked him what was going on, and he broke down and told me- no embarrassing public moments, etc.

We went to a therapist a few times, I did a lot of reading and talked to several (straight)people who had gay partners, and decided that I could not remain in the relationship. I merely could not see myself continuing to remain in a relationship as tenuous as I foresaw that to be. My ex-husband wanted to stay together, but I believe that was just because of the major step that he was faced with.

I was livid for a few months, but only because of the length of time he'd kept his secret, and the fact that several other people, including my children, had been told. He wasn't ready to take the leap until the choice was made for him, and he know what the disclosure to me would mean.

We remain good friends, and I continue to believe that he is a good, honest, intelligent man in many ways. We complimented each other in some significant ways, which I occasionally miss (I'm still single).

Once I made my decision, I always felt that the break-up would have been much more painful to me if he had tossed me aside for a trophy wife, and I have don't hesitate to share my experience or the reason we divorced because I see no reason to be embarrassed or ashamed.

Probably easier for me than some others because I was pretty independent, knew a lot of gay people, many whom were very supportive and helped me understand what my ex-partner was going through, and we'd had raised our children to accept different sexual orientations, so the transition was tough, but more because Mom & Dad were getting a divorce than over the circumstances.

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Liberated woman talks tough and shows us what a guy she can be.
Posted by: lib3288 on Sep 8, 2007 4:01 PM   
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I can't stand it when supposed "feminists" use words like "fuck" and "cunt" so they can sound tough and worldly. It cheapens the sex act and makes this whole article reek. Ms. Bright, you are no Henry Miller, and even he was overrated.

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What high-minded journalism
Posted by: fleurdelamer on Sep 8, 2007 6:41 PM   
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Why does AlterNet publish writers who use terms like "pussy" and "clit"? Where are Alternet's standards??? There are many other, true writers out there who can eloquently express the same idea wthout using gutter talk. I am disgusted. More proof that the entire journalistic world has gone into the toilet.

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zowie!
Posted by: skydog on Sep 10, 2007 9:47 AM   
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If I look at this article as a lens through which the author views the world (and how could I not since it's all imagined) I find it more telling about the author than the intended subject.

Wow -- seldom have I seen supposition built upon supposition built upon supposition ... all reaching a creepy crescendo when the author posits that the only thing Craig's wife ever really owned was her sexual identity. Damn, what a shallow life that would be!

As for this single straight male, I'm not so overly concerned about running to the aid of a woman who chose to be married to the jerk that was Larry Craig's public persona. I find arguments for sympathy on the basis that her so-called "junk" was violated, and that in turn because she found him to be gay, to be laughable.

The author is stretching this situation into a platform for holding forth on what she sees as the normative societal sexual repression of women in general, which I find even more laughable.

Said more bluntly, some women have shamelessly been getting off on their "junk" since Cadillac made a big back seat. Others save their hymen for Jesus. And there are all sorts in between. Everybody, male and female both, has a hangup of some kind. Surprise, surprise.

We now return you to the regularly scheduled report on the plight of a missing rich white girl somewhere...

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gay/bi?
Posted by: earthandsky on Sep 13, 2007 11:34 AM   
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Why sre so many people and news media so afraid to use the word bisexual when married/partnered people are outed for homosexual activity? Because someone has same sex does not mean they are gay and are more likely bi. I feel that because most people are bi to some degree wether they have thoughts of any nature to having same gender sex make so many of us uptight about ourselves it is easy to polorize by claiming an absolute such as Craig is gay.

What ought to be brought to light is how predominate sexual suppression is in our culture, its distructive affect, and just basically how stupid it is to discrimminate based on sexuality. If we had a more intelligent and compassionate culture sex would be a none issue let alone Republican BS.

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