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Now the Democrats Are Funding Abstinence?
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"Huh?" you might ask.
Now, let me make the scenario even better -- or worse. What if you were told that just six weeks before the Appropriations Committee met, a major 10-year evaluation that Congress itself had mandated was released showing that abstinence-only programs had no impact on teen behavior? On top of that, what if you were told that the Society of Adolescent Medicine had released a report in 2006 stating that abstinence-only-programs "threaten fundamental human rights to health, information and life?"
And wait, there's more. When Democrat Henry Waxman was the ranking minority member on government oversight back in 2004, his staff did a report on the content of abstinence-only programs that showed over 80 percent of the programs contained "false or misleading information." All the way back in 2000, the Institute of Medicine, the nation's leading authority on public health, had called for the termination of abstinence-only programs because they represent "poor fiscal and public health policy."
Crying uncle yet? Don't, because there's still more.
Between 2000 and 2006, there were no fewer than 10 state evaluations of abstinence-only-until-marriage programs and not a single study showed any positive impact on teen behavior. Over the same period, nine states slapped a "return to sender" sticker on federal abstinence-only dollars because they did not want to throw good money after bad in pursuit of failed programs.
And the pièce de résistance? Less than a week before the appropriations numbers are released, a major investigative story in The Nation connects the dots and documents an enormous network of ultra-conservative organizations feeding at the abstinence-only trough -- organizations with significant track records opposing Democratic party policies and candidates. And here we have the ultimate irony of Appropriations Chair David Obey becoming one of the largest funders of the famous vast right-wing conspiracy!
So, what the hell happened and why? Apparently, the abstinence-only funding is being used as a sweetener for conservative Republicans. According to Congressional Quarterly:
Lawmakers say the olive branch extended to Republicans increases the likelihood that the bill will pass the House with a veto-proof majority. It also sends a strong signal that Appropriations Chairman David R. Obey, D-Wis., will avoid controversial social policy changes this year in the interest of moving bills.Let's think this through. David Obey is willing to increase funding for ideologically driven programs that don't work and do real harm to real kids in order to increase the political prospects for an appropriations bill. So, really bad ideas get funded so that the process runs smoothly? Sounds a lot like the bridge to nowhere to me. I'm sure it is just what people were looking for when they thought "new leadership."
I can't wait to explain this to the young people in my organization who are peer educators and who work to prevent HIV/AIDS, teen pregnancy and STDs. I'm sure they'll be impressed with the logic that it's worth having hundreds of thousands of young people get incomplete and inaccurate information about how to protect themselves in the era of AIDS so that Mr. Obey's bill can move through Congress on schedule. Inspiring stuff!
And, I'm sorry, but if changing sex education policy from abstinence-only to abstinence- plus-contraception is "controversial social policy" for David Obey, then the man is a troglodyte. It's that simple.
In many ways, the abstinence-only issue is a marker for the core values of the new Democratic congressional leadership. Do they believe that policy should be guided by science and evidence or politics and ideology? Do they believe in changing the cynical standards for conducting congressional business or is the new boss the same as the old boss. And finally, do they believe in standing up for the rights of young people to have accurate, comprehensive information about sex or are young people merely a convenient legislative pawn to trade off for more "important" issues?
There's more at stake here than $140 million dollars. This is one of those moments that will define the heart and soul of this Democratic Congress.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 11, 2007 12:37 AM
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So how can this 3% (or less) of the sexually frustrated, haters of the human body, ultra-orthodox religious nuts be so freaking influential in U.S. policy and education?
How?! It defies all explanation.
I have to assume that more than a few of those people who were messing around in high school/college later on have kids and decide, in the most absurdly hypocritical and delusional manner, that their children shouldn't do the same.
Yes, we can change human nature via education and legislation. Good luck with that imbeciles.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 11, 2007 12:51 AM
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Please tell me who is too dumb to know where babies come from? Oh well I guess we need waitresses and garbage men.
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Posted by: andyc on Jun 11, 2007 1:13 AM
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The Dems should rid themselves of this principle-free imbecile immediately.
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Posted by: CJC on Jun 11, 2007 3:17 AM
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This is not a harmless sop to small-minded anti-sex control freaks.
Education is education, that is, it is supposed to impart information. "Abstinence only" is propoganda, not education.
Who stays celibate their whole life? Very few, and those who do can make that choice for themselves without "abstinence education."
Obey should be ashamed of himself, and any other Democrats who are planning to go along with him should also hear loudly from their constituents.
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Posted by: popcornlady on Jun 11, 2007 3:40 AM
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Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 11, 2007 4:00 AM
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Okay, let me have it. I can take it.
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» FORK: THESE PARENTS ARE IRRESPONSIBLE AND PASS ON TO THE SCHOOLS. WHAT SUCCESS?
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» Already gave a quote and link - if you wanna dispute it, take it up with the APHA . . .
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» KATHAAT: THE COURSES WE CALLED HEALTHN EDUCATION NOW TEACH CHILDREN THAT HOMOSESUALITY
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» THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION OF THE 60s IS COMING BACK TO HAUNT US. CONTINUE AND OUR SOCIETY WILL FALL
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» MADFLAC: I AGREE WITH YOU BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE WAHT IS WANTED ON ALTERNET?
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» GAOTINI: don't project your horninest onto others. PLURAL MARRIAGE IS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN SEX
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» pcushniesr: EXACTLY, SEX EDUCATION MUST BE IN THE HOME OR IF NOT THERE, ONLY VOLUNTARY AND NO TAX
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» RE: pcushniesr: EXACTLY, SEX EDUCATION MUST BE IN THE HOME OR IF NOT THERE, ONLY VOLUNTARY AND NO TAX
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» TassieDevil: your comments were so silly I will just let them ride. N/M
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» RE: TassieDevil: your comments were so silly I will just let them ride. N/M
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Posted by: Veronique on Jun 11, 2007 4:03 AM
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This David Obey (love the surname!) I have no idea about. I am an Aussie. Has anyone asked him what he did in the back seat of a car when he was a teenager? Did he just grope? Did some girl give him a head job? Did he ever masturbate over porn(ish) literature? Or was he so frightened of what would happen to him that he lived a monastic lifestyle until he married? I don't know, have no idea, but, somehow I doubt it.
What a hypocrite and to the tune of $US140M. What an absolute waste of taxpayers' dosh.
There are people like that in public office in the US? I am gobsmacked! I used to labour under the belief that adults eventually grew up (it might have taken longer for some), now there is no way I can sustain that stance.
Give all these kids condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease. Teach these kids about sexual reproductive health issues. It's not pandering to them, it's just accepting that people feel desire, fall in love (puppy or otherwise) and want to have carnal relationships. Everyone who falls in love gets hot and gets wet. Just accept it as part of our being and help them, don't teach them to deny, don't preach to them about a 'higher' ideal, that's just asking for eventual violence and psychological damage.
If the US attempts to go down the track of abstinence, they are courting similar sexual deviation that exists in Islam. And we know what happens there. Even look at someone lustfully (if it's the wrong person) and you could be stoned to death by your own family. All young people are supposed to be virgins when they marry under Muslim law. So the rapes that are now legion in the middle east have nothing to do with repressed sexuality? Give me a break.
This is the loopiest I have yet to see the US try on. And then some. It blows me out that a developed country could even contemplate such a stupid return to fundamental idiocy.
You may as well try telling a cat it cannot f**k until you tell it to. Oh well, back to the nunneries and monastries with whips to keep them in line until their sexual lives are sanctified by some (also stupid) religious edict.
And you wonder why I laugh and snigger? What a bloody joke! Oh! Please understand that all questions I have raised are rhetorical. I don't want detailed crappy answers to any of them. A discussion may be worth the effort. Not sure there's much left to say anyway except the religites wanting to make some ridiculous point or another.
DON'T bother answering hugh or poppop. You both drive me bananas with your loopy illogic and sanctimonious bullshit.
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» veroniques: beleive it or not there is a thing called self control: THE LETTING IT ALL HANG OUT IDEA
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» talk about who's "sexually uncontrollable"!!
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» RE: veroniques: beleive it or not there is a thing called self control: THE LETTING IT ALL HANG OUT IDEA
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» Poppop - you are just getting more slings and arrows:-)
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» I love sling and arrows from atheists. It is a HONOR!!! SEX IS WONDERFUL WITHIN MARRIAGE N/M
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» Poppop, you slut!
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» Notice, I said REAL women.
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» A REAL WOMAN IS NOT A B----H BUT LOVING AND NURTURING
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» There's actually a middle ground.
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» MADFLACC: CERTAINLY HAVING SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE IS A MATTER OF CHOICE.
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» Poppop: self-control
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» astudent: SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROGRAM YOU EXPERIENCED. WHAT % OF TIME SPENT ON ABSTINENCE?
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» RE: astudent: SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROGRAM YOU EXPERIENCED. WHAT % OF TIME SPENT ON ABSTINENCE?
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 11, 2007 4:21 AM
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That's exactly it. In a diverse society, politics is about compromise, but if you go to the negotiating table or the conference room not knowing what you stand for, or not willing to stand up for what you stand for, or maybe not standing for anything -- well, your opponents can't be faulted for sweeping you out of the way. This isn't leadership; it's gutlessness.
I don't want the process to run smoothly. The process ran too damn smoothly when the Republicans were in power, because they paid no attention to dissenters and the Democrats rolled over and played dead. Obey's still playing dead. I want to sparks to fly every time the right-wing ideologues get their steamroller going. That way I'll know congressional Democrats are trying to jam on the brakes -- or maybe some impatient citizens have thrown a monkeywrench (or a sabot!) in the works.
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Posted by: socialpsych on Jun 11, 2007 4:27 AM
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We trusted the Dems in 2000. We trusted them again in 2004. Enough is enough. The only solution is to vote third party in 2008. Any volunteers to lead us out of the fascist wilderness?
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Posted by: just john on Jun 11, 2007 4:38 AM
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 11, 2007 5:11 AM
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Government contracts are the fast track to immense wealth, but first you must bribe a congressman to get the contract. Our government was specifically designed by lawmakers to facilitate bribes for favors: we call it campaign contributions. Our elected leaders are nothing more or less than Middlemen employed by insatiably greedy corporations to enhance their profits at the expense of American taxpayers.
Which best describes our system of government, democracy or capitalism?
Americans can continue to delude themselves about the true nature of our political system, but staying the course is the fast track to steadily declining standards of living for ninety per cent of us.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 11, 2007 5:57 AM
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The Des Moines Register, June 4, 2007
"Ashley Truitt, 18, was charged Monday with first-degree murder in Broward County, Fla., after staff in a Pompano Beach resort found a newborn baby girl dead in a trash bin Saturday morning. Truitt, who participated in Solon High School graduation on May 20, apparently hid her pregnancy from her parents, boyfriend and others in the community.
'Truitt, who was vacationing at the Wyndham Resort with her parents, younger brother and boyfriend, gave birth to the baby around 4:30 a.m. Saturday in the condominium bathroom, according to an affidavit filed by the Broward County (Fla.) Sheriff’s Department.
'Truitt later told investigators that she hid the pregnancy from her parents and Black, whom she did not think was the father of the child. She said she began to experience labor pains around midnight and at around 4:30 a.m. gave birth to the infant girl in the bathroom, police reported.
"Truitt is being held without bond in a Broward County jail, Graf said. Conviction of first-degree murder in Florida is punishable by the death penalty, according to the Death Penalty Information Center."
Now, does the reporter draw the conclusion that all the anti-birth control propaganda floating round the hallways of our high schools is in any way responsible for this? No, of course not, reporters are objective and unbiased.
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» RE: Iowa girl, 18, charged with murdering newborn
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» Good question.
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» RE: Good question.
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» But if she had an "abortion" 2 weeks prior to giving birth instead, it would be all good right?
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 11, 2007 6:27 AM
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The same kind of wool being pulled over the eyes of Republican voters for years is being pulled over the eyes of Democrats as well.
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Posted by: dancingcloud on Jun 11, 2007 6:56 AM
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Posted by: Nan on Jun 11, 2007 7:15 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 11, 2007 9:53 AM
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» COMEDY GOLD
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» seriously
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 11, 2007 10:20 AM
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It's all about payoffs to the people who put their politicians into office, and if making deals is what it takes to get your pet project financed, that's what they'll do.
The biggest hogs that need to be fed are the energy industry (nuclear, coal, oil, and natural gas currently hold the purse strings), the defense/engineering contractors like Lockheed, Northrup, SAIC, Raytheon, Bechtel, Fluor and big agribusiness concerns
This appears to be why we have seen no hearings on Cheney's energy task force, or on the corrupt and flawed missile defense contracts.
We've also seen no hearings on the response to Katrina, and the gross and corrupt contracts that flowed to Blackwater et al afterwards.
This is also why Democrats refused to get rid of the multibillion dollar subsidies that flow to the fossil fuel lobby every year, as they promised to do. As far as the corrupt practices in big agribusiness, they won't even discuss that one.
The ONLY solution is to get the corporate money out of politics, and to provide public funding of election campaigns. This is just about the only way that we'll get honest politicians into office.
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Posted by: alicelillie on Jun 11, 2007 11:07 AM
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What is the difference between that and taking money to fund a war that you may disapprove of?
Or a drug war that you may disapprove of?
The thing is, something like an abstenance program is not a function of the federal government. My own belief is that the government should not have any part in morality. Not at any level. If such programs should be funded by the government, it should be state and local, so that the locals have greater imput into the content of the programs.
I happen to be a born-againer too (actually it is by an act of my *will* not happenstance) but people are responsible for their own behavior, and for what they teach their kids. I wish that the government would but out and save *your* tax dollars.
See my blog essay _How the Bush Administration is Destroying Our Country and Damaging the Christian Church_ and it is doing it precisely by such antics as manipulating the education in local schools.
http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com .
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 12:34 PM
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1) The Democrats are just a faction of the enemy -- not allies in any sense. They are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. They have betrayed us beyond all possible reconciliation, and are more truly allies of the Republicans than they are "friends" of ours.
2) It's just a fallacy to believe that the Democrats can somehow be transformed into a political force defending the interests of the broader public. That's not what they are. That they dare posture as the "party of the people" is an insult to our collective intelligence. In reality, they use this tattered & tired popular image to collude with the rightwing, confuse the public, & sell us out at every turn.
3) I encourage you to rethink your well-intentioned support of Democrats. (The writing of Howard Zinn is useful, in this connection.) The history of the Dem Party is one of deep partnership with Republicans, not of genuine opposition. The ballyhooed "rivalry" is just on the surface -- essentially, just a deception. The Dems were full co-partners in building the military-industrial complex and the national security state; in inflicting criminal wars in SE Asia & Latin America, etc etc. And since 2000, they have outdone themselves in shameless unprincipled collusion.
4) This is a party ready for the dustbin of history. The only "help" we should give them is helping them get there. We should focus on laying the groundwork for a party that genuinely represents our interests, not helping to resurrect a disgraced & decaying enemy.
5) The Kuciniches and McKinneys are different from the Hillary types -- but there are compelling reasons not to get too excited about them, either. First of all, they are used by the party as a "Left decoration," simply to keep potential left defectors in tow. Secondly, the party power brokers will NEVER in a million years let the Kucinich-McKinney faction have any real power.
6) In other words, the progressive Dem faction is cynically used as a marketing tool by the national party. They are dangled before your eyes to make you think that the Dems are still the "lesser evil" (since the Republicans offer no such Left decorations).
7) But the real face of the Democratic Party is revealed, for example, by the way they had police drag people out of the 2004 convention for wearing anti-war tee-shirts. Or by John Kerry, who tried to pretend during the entire campaign that his connection with Vietnam was just that he "served" -- trying to hide the fact that he'd been an outspoken OPPONENT of a criminal war.
8) In other words -- don't be fooled by the existence of a few decent Dems. They make no real difference in the overall alignment of the party, and will never be internally influential. They are a distraction.
9) Taking over" the party is a naive illusion. Both parties are dominated and driven by the interests of huge corporations and plutocrats. Neither gives the slightest hoot about the well-being of the general public -- which, as both of them well know, is utterly defenseless, politically. Both parties regard the public as a lamb to be fleeced on behalf of their (the parties') patrons. This condition is non-negotiable & not subject to alteration by ordinary well-meaning people.
10) Both parties represent little more than the will of giant oil, banking, media and defense corporations. The only way they differ is in marketing strategies, target populations, rhetorical style, & external fluff.
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Posted by: sospamme on Jun 11, 2007 1:06 PM
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Or how about something from Mark Twain? "Look at the tyranny of party--at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty--a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes--and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master.
- "The Character of Man," Mark Twain's Autobiography
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Posted by: pass the ammo on Jun 11, 2007 1:55 PM
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When sex glands start to quiver, they need attention and the hypocrites can Bible thump all they want to, but nature will not change.
Obey should have his whammy-do split in half.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 11, 2007 2:34 PM
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Otherwise, Democrats and Republicans plus independents too, keep your damn noses out of our sex lives!
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Posted by: veive on Jun 11, 2007 3:16 PM
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Posted by: somegirl on Jun 11, 2007 5:40 PM
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Posted by: mgloraine on Jun 11, 2007 7:53 PM
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Every day BushCo occupies the White House means more wasted lives and another billion or so dollars vanishes into some gangsters' secret offshore accounts. Every piece of legislation, every new program, every budget item introduced by members of this administration has been tainted with corruption, racketeering, favoritism, misappropriations, price gouging, etc. To have Democrats playing along is a betrayal of the most despicable type.
No one is going to be able to out-swindle BushCo! They've been working at it for a long time, have a lot of as-yet unindicted co-conspirators, and more weapons and money at their disposal than is appropriate for law-abiding citizens.
The Democrats were sent to oppose, counter, deter, impede and STOP the BushCo takeover of the government and obliteration of the Constitution. I don't see it happening. I see pathetic non-binding, symbolic, useless crap which doesn't even pass it's Committee.
Maybe behind our backs, they're exchanging winks and high-signs across the aisle to indicate that there will (of course) NOT be a shortage at the trough as a result of any ACTUAL legislation. The Pork Must Flow.
So are the ConDems playing a stupid game of political poker, wagering that they can out-maneuver BushCo and regain the White House in '08? Or are they more like professional wrestlers, a lot of theatrical posturing and bluster for the benefit of the audience, after which they meet with their "opponents" to divide the graft and take a "fact-finding mission" to Hawaii to investigate the Spam controversy?
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 12, 2007 1:02 AM
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"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Teaching the ignorant about the dangers of VD and the responsibilities of reproduction will probably do more to improve the country's overall health than doing nothing or abstinence indoctrination. It's too bad too many americans can't seem to remember or don't know that promoting the general welfare is actually the law of the land and one of the better principles in this country's foundation.
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Posted by: Progressive Citizen on Jun 12, 2007 7:17 PM
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Yet the Democrats control Congress and the Republicans apparently show interest in holding up an appropriations bill over their pet program--this is probably why Obey went along with it, not that this was any excuse. The man needs to get some spine and be a Democrat.
This just goes to show that reasonable Americans are living in a country with an aggrieved minority of conservatives who go far beyond asking for accommodation for their values. No, the Religious Right wants special privileges in the schools--the privilege to see that their values are top dog and no one else's get considered.
Conservatives got way too big for their britches a long time ago. Now we need to call them out on their self-importance at every turn, because they're not as big and entitled as they think.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 15, 2007 11:01 AM
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 11, 2007 12:37 AM
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So how can this 3% (or less) of the sexually frustrated, haters of the human body, ultra-orthodox religious nuts be so freaking influential in U.S. policy and education?
How?! It defies all explanation.
I have to assume that more than a few of those people who were messing around in high school/college later on have kids and decide, in the most absurdly hypocritical and delusional manner, that their children shouldn't do the same.
Yes, we can change human nature via education and legislation. Good luck with that imbeciles.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 11, 2007 12:51 AM
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Please tell me who is too dumb to know where babies come from? Oh well I guess we need waitresses and garbage men.
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Posted by: andyc on Jun 11, 2007 1:13 AM
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The Dems should rid themselves of this principle-free imbecile immediately.
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Posted by: CJC on Jun 11, 2007 3:17 AM
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This is not a harmless sop to small-minded anti-sex control freaks.
Education is education, that is, it is supposed to impart information. "Abstinence only" is propoganda, not education.
Who stays celibate their whole life? Very few, and those who do can make that choice for themselves without "abstinence education."
Obey should be ashamed of himself, and any other Democrats who are planning to go along with him should also hear loudly from their constituents.
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Okay, let me have it. I can take it.
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Posted by: Veronique on Jun 11, 2007 4:03 AM
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This David Obey (love the surname!) I have no idea about. I am an Aussie. Has anyone asked him what he did in the back seat of a car when he was a teenager? Did he just grope? Did some girl give him a head job? Did he ever masturbate over porn(ish) literature? Or was he so frightened of what would happen to him that he lived a monastic lifestyle until he married? I don't know, have no idea, but, somehow I doubt it.
What a hypocrite and to the tune of $US140M. What an absolute waste of taxpayers' dosh.
There are people like that in public office in the US? I am gobsmacked! I used to labour under the belief that adults eventually grew up (it might have taken longer for some), now there is no way I can sustain that stance.
Give all these kids condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease. Teach these kids about sexual reproductive health issues. It's not pandering to them, it's just accepting that people feel desire, fall in love (puppy or otherwise) and want to have carnal relationships. Everyone who falls in love gets hot and gets wet. Just accept it as part of our being and help them, don't teach them to deny, don't preach to them about a 'higher' ideal, that's just asking for eventual violence and psychological damage.
If the US attempts to go down the track of abstinence, they are courting similar sexual deviation that exists in Islam. And we know what happens there. Even look at someone lustfully (if it's the wrong person) and you could be stoned to death by your own family. All young people are supposed to be virgins when they marry under Muslim law. So the rapes that are now legion in the middle east have nothing to do with repressed sexuality? Give me a break.
This is the loopiest I have yet to see the US try on. And then some. It blows me out that a developed country could even contemplate such a stupid return to fundamental idiocy.
You may as well try telling a cat it cannot f**k until you tell it to. Oh well, back to the nunneries and monastries with whips to keep them in line until their sexual lives are sanctified by some (also stupid) religious edict.
And you wonder why I laugh and snigger? What a bloody joke! Oh! Please understand that all questions I have raised are rhetorical. I don't want detailed crappy answers to any of them. A discussion may be worth the effort. Not sure there's much left to say anyway except the religites wanting to make some ridiculous point or another.
DON'T bother answering hugh or poppop. You both drive me bananas with your loopy illogic and sanctimonious bullshit.
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 11, 2007 4:21 AM
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That's exactly it. In a diverse society, politics is about compromise, but if you go to the negotiating table or the conference room not knowing what you stand for, or not willing to stand up for what you stand for, or maybe not standing for anything -- well, your opponents can't be faulted for sweeping you out of the way. This isn't leadership; it's gutlessness.
I don't want the process to run smoothly. The process ran too damn smoothly when the Republicans were in power, because they paid no attention to dissenters and the Democrats rolled over and played dead. Obey's still playing dead. I want to sparks to fly every time the right-wing ideologues get their steamroller going. That way I'll know congressional Democrats are trying to jam on the brakes -- or maybe some impatient citizens have thrown a monkeywrench (or a sabot!) in the works.
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Posted by: socialpsych on Jun 11, 2007 4:27 AM
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We trusted the Dems in 2000. We trusted them again in 2004. Enough is enough. The only solution is to vote third party in 2008. Any volunteers to lead us out of the fascist wilderness?
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 11, 2007 5:11 AM
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Government contracts are the fast track to immense wealth, but first you must bribe a congressman to get the contract. Our government was specifically designed by lawmakers to facilitate bribes for favors: we call it campaign contributions. Our elected leaders are nothing more or less than Middlemen employed by insatiably greedy corporations to enhance their profits at the expense of American taxpayers.
Which best describes our system of government, democracy or capitalism?
Americans can continue to delude themselves about the true nature of our political system, but staying the course is the fast track to steadily declining standards of living for ninety per cent of us.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 11, 2007 5:57 AM
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The Des Moines Register, June 4, 2007
"Ashley Truitt, 18, was charged Monday with first-degree murder in Broward County, Fla., after staff in a Pompano Beach resort found a newborn baby girl dead in a trash bin Saturday morning. Truitt, who participated in Solon High School graduation on May 20, apparently hid her pregnancy from her parents, boyfriend and others in the community.
'Truitt, who was vacationing at the Wyndham Resort with her parents, younger brother and boyfriend, gave birth to the baby around 4:30 a.m. Saturday in the condominium bathroom, according to an affidavit filed by the Broward County (Fla.) Sheriff’s Department.
'Truitt later told investigators that she hid the pregnancy from her parents and Black, whom she did not think was the father of the child. She said she began to experience labor pains around midnight and at around 4:30 a.m. gave birth to the infant girl in the bathroom, police reported.
"Truitt is being held without bond in a Broward County jail, Graf said. Conviction of first-degree murder in Florida is punishable by the death penalty, according to the Death Penalty Information Center."
Now, does the reporter draw the conclusion that all the anti-birth control propaganda floating round the hallways of our high schools is in any way responsible for this? No, of course not, reporters are objective and unbiased.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 11, 2007 6:27 AM
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The same kind of wool being pulled over the eyes of Republican voters for years is being pulled over the eyes of Democrats as well.
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» COMEDY GOLD
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 11, 2007 10:20 AM
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It's all about payoffs to the people who put their politicians into office, and if making deals is what it takes to get your pet project financed, that's what they'll do.
The biggest hogs that need to be fed are the energy industry (nuclear, coal, oil, and natural gas currently hold the purse strings), the defense/engineering contractors like Lockheed, Northrup, SAIC, Raytheon, Bechtel, Fluor and big agribusiness concerns
This appears to be why we have seen no hearings on Cheney's energy task force, or on the corrupt and flawed missile defense contracts.
We've also seen no hearings on the response to Katrina, and the gross and corrupt contracts that flowed to Blackwater et al afterwards.
This is also why Democrats refused to get rid of the multibillion dollar subsidies that flow to the fossil fuel lobby every year, as they promised to do. As far as the corrupt practices in big agribusiness, they won't even discuss that one.
The ONLY solution is to get the corporate money out of politics, and to provide public funding of election campaigns. This is just about the only way that we'll get honest politicians into office.
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Posted by: alicelillie on Jun 11, 2007 11:07 AM
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What is the difference between that and taking money to fund a war that you may disapprove of?
Or a drug war that you may disapprove of?
The thing is, something like an abstenance program is not a function of the federal government. My own belief is that the government should not have any part in morality. Not at any level. If such programs should be funded by the government, it should be state and local, so that the locals have greater imput into the content of the programs.
I happen to be a born-againer too (actually it is by an act of my *will* not happenstance) but people are responsible for their own behavior, and for what they teach their kids. I wish that the government would but out and save *your* tax dollars.
See my blog essay _How the Bush Administration is Destroying Our Country and Damaging the Christian Church_ and it is doing it precisely by such antics as manipulating the education in local schools.
http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com .
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 12:34 PM
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1) The Democrats are just a faction of the enemy -- not allies in any sense. They are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. They have betrayed us beyond all possible reconciliation, and are more truly allies of the Republicans than they are "friends" of ours.
2) It's just a fallacy to believe that the Democrats can somehow be transformed into a political force defending the interests of the broader public. That's not what they are. That they dare posture as the "party of the people" is an insult to our collective intelligence. In reality, they use this tattered & tired popular image to collude with the rightwing, confuse the public, & sell us out at every turn.
3) I encourage you to rethink your well-intentioned support of Democrats. (The writing of Howard Zinn is useful, in this connection.) The history of the Dem Party is one of deep partnership with Republicans, not of genuine opposition. The ballyhooed "rivalry" is just on the surface -- essentially, just a deception. The Dems were full co-partners in building the military-industrial complex and the national security state; in inflicting criminal wars in SE Asia & Latin America, etc etc. And since 2000, they have outdone themselves in shameless unprincipled collusion.
4) This is a party ready for the dustbin of history. The only "help" we should give them is helping them get there. We should focus on laying the groundwork for a party that genuinely represents our interests, not helping to resurrect a disgraced & decaying enemy.
5) The Kuciniches and McKinneys are different from the Hillary types -- but there are compelling reasons not to get too excited about them, either. First of all, they are used by the party as a "Left decoration," simply to keep potential left defectors in tow. Secondly, the party power brokers will NEVER in a million years let the Kucinich-McKinney faction have any real power.
6) In other words, the progressive Dem faction is cynically used as a marketing tool by the national party. They are dangled before your eyes to make you think that the Dems are still the "lesser evil" (since the Republicans offer no such Left decorations).
7) But the real face of the Democratic Party is revealed, for example, by the way they had police drag people out of the 2004 convention for wearing anti-war tee-shirts. Or by John Kerry, who tried to pretend during the entire campaign that his connection with Vietnam was just that he "served" -- trying to hide the fact that he'd been an outspoken OPPONENT of a criminal war.
8) In other words -- don't be fooled by the existence of a few decent Dems. They make no real difference in the overall alignment of the party, and will never be internally influential. They are a distraction.
9) Taking over" the party is a naive illusion. Both parties are dominated and driven by the interests of huge corporations and plutocrats. Neither gives the slightest hoot about the well-being of the general public -- which, as both of them well know, is utterly defenseless, politically. Both parties regard the public as a lamb to be fleeced on behalf of their (the parties') patrons. This condition is non-negotiable & not subject to alteration by ordinary well-meaning people.
10) Both parties represent little more than the will of giant oil, banking, media and defense corporations. The only way they differ is in marketing strategies, target populations, rhetorical style, & external fluff.
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Posted by: sospamme on Jun 11, 2007 1:06 PM
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Or how about something from Mark Twain? "Look at the tyranny of party--at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty--a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes--and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master.
- "The Character of Man," Mark Twain's Autobiography
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Posted by: pass the ammo on Jun 11, 2007 1:55 PM
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When sex glands start to quiver, they need attention and the hypocrites can Bible thump all they want to, but nature will not change.
Obey should have his whammy-do split in half.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 11, 2007 2:34 PM
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Otherwise, Democrats and Republicans plus independents too, keep your damn noses out of our sex lives!
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Posted by: veive on Jun 11, 2007 3:16 PM
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Posted by: mgloraine on Jun 11, 2007 7:53 PM
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Every day BushCo occupies the White House means more wasted lives and another billion or so dollars vanishes into some gangsters' secret offshore accounts. Every piece of legislation, every new program, every budget item introduced by members of this administration has been tainted with corruption, racketeering, favoritism, misappropriations, price gouging, etc. To have Democrats playing along is a betrayal of the most despicable type.
No one is going to be able to out-swindle BushCo! They've been working at it for a long time, have a lot of as-yet unindicted co-conspirators, and more weapons and money at their disposal than is appropriate for law-abiding citizens.
The Democrats were sent to oppose, counter, deter, impede and STOP the BushCo takeover of the government and obliteration of the Constitution. I don't see it happening. I see pathetic non-binding, symbolic, useless crap which doesn't even pass it's Committee.
Maybe behind our backs, they're exchanging winks and high-signs across the aisle to indicate that there will (of course) NOT be a shortage at the trough as a result of any ACTUAL legislation. The Pork Must Flow.
So are the ConDems playing a stupid game of political poker, wagering that they can out-maneuver BushCo and regain the White House in '08? Or are they more like professional wrestlers, a lot of theatrical posturing and bluster for the benefit of the audience, after which they meet with their "opponents" to divide the graft and take a "fact-finding mission" to Hawaii to investigate the Spam controversy?
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 11, 2007 8:24 PM
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Posted by: johngary66 on Jun 11, 2007 9:06 PM
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» RE: Are there any good Green Party candidates for Pres in 2008 yet?
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jun 11, 2007 9:38 PM
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Posted by: aussidawg on Jun 11, 2007 10:35 PM
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 12, 2007 1:02 AM
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"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Teaching the ignorant about the dangers of VD and the responsibilities of reproduction will probably do more to improve the country's overall health than doing nothing or abstinence indoctrination. It's too bad too many americans can't seem to remember or don't know that promoting the general welfare is actually the law of the land and one of the better principles in this country's foundation.
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Posted by: hheisey on Jun 12, 2007 8:12 AM
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Posted by: Progressive Citizen on Jun 12, 2007 7:17 PM
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Yet the Democrats control Congress and the Republicans apparently show interest in holding up an appropriations bill over their pet program--this is probably why Obey went along with it, not that this was any excuse. The man needs to get some spine and be a Democrat.
This just goes to show that reasonable Americans are living in a country with an aggrieved minority of conservatives who go far beyond asking for accommodation for their values. No, the Religious Right wants special privileges in the schools--the privilege to see that their values are top dog and no one else's get considered.
Conservatives got way too big for their britches a long time ago. Now we need to call them out on their self-importance at every turn, because they're not as big and entitled as they think.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 15, 2007 11:01 AM
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