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Sex and Relationships

Now the Democrats Are Funding Abstinence?

By James Wagoner, TomPaine.com. Posted June 11, 2007.


In the interest of "avoiding controversy," Democratic House Appropriations Chair David Obey has become one of the largest funders of the famous vast right-wing conspiracy, adding $140 million for abstinence education.
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Back in November of 2006, after the Democrats won control of the House, what kind of odds do you think you would have gotten on the following scenario: With the Democrats in control, the appropriations cycle begins and the first big policy step the Democrats take on domestic reproductive health is to push through a 30 percent increase in abstinence-only-until-marriage programs that prohibit information about condoms and birth control. Oh, and by the way, that increase (to $140 million) is larger than any put forward in the last three years of the Republican-led Congress.

"Huh?" you might ask.

Now, let me make the scenario even better -- or worse. What if you were told that just six weeks before the Appropriations Committee met, a major 10-year evaluation that Congress itself had mandated was released showing that abstinence-only programs had no impact on teen behavior? On top of that, what if you were told that the Society of Adolescent Medicine had released a report in 2006 stating that abstinence-only-programs "threaten fundamental human rights to health, information and life?"

And wait, there's more. When Democrat Henry Waxman was the ranking minority member on government oversight back in 2004, his staff did a report on the content of abstinence-only programs that showed over 80 percent of the programs contained "false or misleading information." All the way back in 2000, the Institute of Medicine, the nation's leading authority on public health, had called for the termination of abstinence-only programs because they represent "poor fiscal and public health policy."

Crying uncle yet? Don't, because there's still more.

Between 2000 and 2006, there were no fewer than 10 state evaluations of abstinence-only-until-marriage programs and not a single study showed any positive impact on teen behavior. Over the same period, nine states slapped a "return to sender" sticker on federal abstinence-only dollars because they did not want to throw good money after bad in pursuit of failed programs.

And the pièce de résistance? Less than a week before the appropriations numbers are released, a major investigative story in The Nation connects the dots and documents an enormous network of ultra-conservative organizations feeding at the abstinence-only trough -- organizations with significant track records opposing Democratic party policies and candidates. And here we have the ultimate irony of Appropriations Chair David Obey becoming one of the largest funders of the famous vast right-wing conspiracy!

So, what the hell happened and why? Apparently, the abstinence-only funding is being used as a sweetener for conservative Republicans. According to Congressional Quarterly:

Lawmakers say the olive branch extended to Republicans increases the likelihood that the bill will pass the House with a veto-proof majority. It also sends a strong signal that Appropriations Chairman David R. Obey, D-Wis., will avoid controversial social policy changes this year in the interest of moving bills.

Let's think this through. David Obey is willing to increase funding for ideologically driven programs that don't work and do real harm to real kids in order to increase the political prospects for an appropriations bill. So, really bad ideas get funded so that the process runs smoothly? Sounds a lot like the bridge to nowhere to me. I'm sure it is just what people were looking for when they thought "new leadership."

I can't wait to explain this to the young people in my organization who are peer educators and who work to prevent HIV/AIDS, teen pregnancy and STDs. I'm sure they'll be impressed with the logic that it's worth having hundreds of thousands of young people get incomplete and inaccurate information about how to protect themselves in the era of AIDS so that Mr. Obey's bill can move through Congress on schedule. Inspiring stuff!

And, I'm sorry, but if changing sex education policy from abstinence-only to abstinence- plus-contraception is "controversial social policy" for David Obey, then the man is a troglodyte. It's that simple.

In many ways, the abstinence-only issue is a marker for the core values of the new Democratic congressional leadership. Do they believe that policy should be guided by science and evidence or politics and ideology? Do they believe in changing the cynical standards for conducting congressional business or is the new boss the same as the old boss. And finally, do they believe in standing up for the rights of young people to have accurate, comprehensive information about sex or are young people merely a convenient legislative pawn to trade off for more "important" issues?

There's more at stake here than $140 million dollars. This is one of those moments that will define the heart and soul of this Democratic Congress.

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James Wagoner is the president of Advocates for Youth.

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How can such a small minority be so influential in the U.S.?
Posted by: ateo on Jun 11, 2007 12:37 AM   
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Last I checked over 90% of Americans lose their virginity by the time they are 18. The average age of marriage certainly isn't 18, so put 2 and 2 together - virtually everyone in America has pre-marital sex.

So how can this 3% (or less) of the sexually frustrated, haters of the human body, ultra-orthodox religious nuts be so freaking influential in U.S. policy and education?

How?! It defies all explanation.

I have to assume that more than a few of those people who were messing around in high school/college later on have kids and decide, in the most absurdly hypocritical and delusional manner, that their children shouldn't do the same.

Yes, we can change human nature via education and legislation. Good luck with that imbeciles.

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» is ateo a insensitive bigot? Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah
Why not just cut funding for all sex ed?
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 11, 2007 12:51 AM   
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If we are not going to fund programs that work why fund anything at all? We might as well save the taxpayers some money.

Please tell me who is too dumb to know where babies come from? Oh well I guess we need waitresses and garbage men.

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» Hmm... you're probably right Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Fire Obey
Posted by: andyc on Jun 11, 2007 1:13 AM   
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Thanks for the naming and shaming.

The Dems should rid themselves of this principle-free imbecile immediately.

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» Just the one? Posted by: kepstein7777
Obey's constituents
Posted by: CJC on Jun 11, 2007 3:17 AM   
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I hope the sensible folks in Obey's district are deluging him with emails and telephone calls.

This is not a harmless sop to small-minded anti-sex control freaks.

Education is education, that is, it is supposed to impart information. "Abstinence only" is propoganda, not education.

Who stays celibate their whole life? Very few, and those who do can make that choice for themselves without "abstinence education."

Obey should be ashamed of himself, and any other Democrats who are planning to go along with him should also hear loudly from their constituents.

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popcornlady
Posted by: popcornlady on Jun 11, 2007 3:40 AM   
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This is the same idiot who yelled at his constituent in the hallway of Congress - the constituent was the parent of a soldier in Iraq and she had come to speak with him about the war, and she was not yelling at him. He let go at her about "political realities" or some such phrase - I guess this is just one more of those "political realities." Anyone who thought we would get a change of leadership with the democrats hasn't been living in a state (like mine, Maine) where the democratic majority provides little if any contrast to the republican minority and where the democratic congressman (Mr. Allen) is on many issues either worse, or silent, than the republican US Senator (Ms. Collins) against whom he is running in '08. The only choices are independents and third parties - we have a thriving Green party and dems are finally realizing the bankruptcy of their party and joining us.

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» She wasn't his constituent Posted by: rancespergl
Too Unreasonable?
Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 11, 2007 4:00 AM   
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Forgive me if I sound naive or ill informed, but how did sex education become the responsibility of the federal government and the public schools in the first place? Granted, these institutions have the ability to deliver information-- or misinformation-- to a mass audience, but where are mom and dad and the other various legal guardians in this picture? Maybe sex education, being at least as controversial as that other social divider, religion, just won't be allowed to work in a public school system. Maybe sex education is better left to "home education." I mean, hell, how long should it take to teach a child where babies come from and how certain diseases are spread? You don't need a medical degree.

Okay, let me have it. I can take it.

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» RE: Too Unreasonable? Posted by: CJC
» RE: Too Unreasonable? Posted by: fork
» RE: Too Unreasonable? Posted by: kathat
» RE: Too Unreasonable? Posted by: TassieDevil
Someone has to be joking
Posted by: Veronique on Jun 11, 2007 4:03 AM   
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Hahaha. With hormones rising from about 13 years onwards, they want to talk abstinence? What century do they live in?

This David Obey (love the surname!) I have no idea about. I am an Aussie. Has anyone asked him what he did in the back seat of a car when he was a teenager? Did he just grope? Did some girl give him a head job? Did he ever masturbate over porn(ish) literature? Or was he so frightened of what would happen to him that he lived a monastic lifestyle until he married? I don't know, have no idea, but, somehow I doubt it.

What a hypocrite and to the tune of $US140M. What an absolute waste of taxpayers' dosh.

There are people like that in public office in the US? I am gobsmacked! I used to labour under the belief that adults eventually grew up (it might have taken longer for some), now there is no way I can sustain that stance.

Give all these kids condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease. Teach these kids about sexual reproductive health issues. It's not pandering to them, it's just accepting that people feel desire, fall in love (puppy or otherwise) and want to have carnal relationships. Everyone who falls in love gets hot and gets wet. Just accept it as part of our being and help them, don't teach them to deny, don't preach to them about a 'higher' ideal, that's just asking for eventual violence and psychological damage.

If the US attempts to go down the track of abstinence, they are courting similar sexual deviation that exists in Islam. And we know what happens there. Even look at someone lustfully (if it's the wrong person) and you could be stoned to death by your own family. All young people are supposed to be virgins when they marry under Muslim law. So the rapes that are now legion in the middle east have nothing to do with repressed sexuality? Give me a break.

This is the loopiest I have yet to see the US try on. And then some. It blows me out that a developed country could even contemplate such a stupid return to fundamental idiocy.

You may as well try telling a cat it cannot f**k until you tell it to. Oh well, back to the nunneries and monastries with whips to keep them in line until their sexual lives are sanctified by some (also stupid) religious edict.

And you wonder why I laugh and snigger? What a bloody joke! Oh! Please understand that all questions I have raised are rhetorical. I don't want detailed crappy answers to any of them. A discussion may be worth the effort. Not sure there's much left to say anyway except the religites wanting to make some ridiculous point or another.

DON'T bother answering hugh or poppop. You both drive me bananas with your loopy illogic and sanctimonious bullshit.

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» RE: Someone has to be joking Posted by: astudent
» RE: Someone has to be joking Posted by: writeval
» RE: Someone has to be joking Posted by: TassieDevil
» Compulsory voting Posted by: Veronique
» RE: Someone has to be joking Posted by: Veronique
» RE: Someone has to be joking Posted by: MadFlacc
» Poppop, you slut! Posted by: fork
» Poppop: self-control Posted by: astudent
Get those sparks flying!
Posted by: hagwind on Jun 11, 2007 4:21 AM   
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"Let's think this through. David Obey is willing to increase funding for ideologically driven programs that don't work and do real harm to real kids in order to increase the political prospects for an appropriations bill. So, really bad ideas get funded so that the process runs smoothly? Sounds a lot like the bridge to nowhere to me. . . ." (emphasis mine)

That's exactly it. In a diverse society, politics is about compromise, but if you go to the negotiating table or the conference room not knowing what you stand for, or not willing to stand up for what you stand for, or maybe not standing for anything -- well, your opponents can't be faulted for sweeping you out of the way. This isn't leadership; it's gutlessness.

I don't want the process to run smoothly. The process ran too damn smoothly when the Republicans were in power, because they paid no attention to dissenters and the Democrats rolled over and played dead. Obey's still playing dead. I want to sparks to fly every time the right-wing ideologues get their steamroller going. That way I'll know congressional Democrats are trying to jam on the brakes -- or maybe some impatient citizens have thrown a monkeywrench (or a sabot!) in the works.

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Tip of the Iceberg
Posted by: socialpsych on Jun 11, 2007 4:27 AM   
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"...the abstinence-only issue is a marker for the core values of the new Democratic congressional leadership..."

We trusted the Dems in 2000. We trusted them again in 2004. Enough is enough. The only solution is to vote third party in 2008. Any volunteers to lead us out of the fascist wilderness?

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» RE: Tip of the Iceberg Posted by: pcushniesr
» RE: Tip of the Iceberg Posted by: TassieDevil
» RE: Tip of the Iceberg Posted by: Veronique
"Fraud" is the word you're looking for.
Posted by: just john on Jun 11, 2007 4:38 AM   
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And, as with any such bamboozlement, it should be prosecuted as such.

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Politics for Profit
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 11, 2007 5:11 AM   
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Americans are trapped in a corrupt political system dominated by Politics for Profit, and the people collecting those profits represent, at most, ten per cent of the population. Which means the other ninety per cent of us are ignored and underrepresented by our government. Republicans were right all along about government being the problem, not the solution, but they lied about the causes. Social spending for the good of all wasn’t the problem, the looting of the national treasury by the richest of the rich is the problem.

Government contracts are the fast track to immense wealth, but first you must bribe a congressman to get the contract. Our government was specifically designed by lawmakers to facilitate bribes for favors: we call it campaign contributions. Our elected leaders are nothing more or less than Middlemen employed by insatiably greedy corporations to enhance their profits at the expense of American taxpayers.

Which best describes our system of government, democracy or capitalism?

Americans can continue to delude themselves about the true nature of our political system, but staying the course is the fast track to steadily declining standards of living for ninety per cent of us.

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» RE: Politics for Profit Posted by: writeval
Iowa girl, 18, charged with murdering newborn
Posted by: sausage on Jun 11, 2007 5:57 AM   
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For the life of me I don't understand why this ghastly little morality play didn't receive more national press.
The Des Moines Register, June 4, 2007
"Ashley Truitt, 18, was charged Monday with first-degree murder in Broward County, Fla., after staff in a Pompano Beach resort found a newborn baby girl dead in a trash bin Saturday morning. Truitt, who participated in Solon High School graduation on May 20, apparently hid her pregnancy from her parents, boyfriend and others in the community.

'Truitt, who was vacationing at the Wyndham Resort with her parents, younger brother and boyfriend, gave birth to the baby around 4:30 a.m. Saturday in the condominium bathroom, according to an affidavit filed by the Broward County (Fla.) Sheriff’s Department.

'Truitt later told investigators that she hid the pregnancy from her parents and Black, whom she did not think was the father of the child. She said she began to experience labor pains around midnight and at around 4:30 a.m. gave birth to the infant girl in the bathroom, police reported.

"Truitt is being held without bond in a Broward County jail, Graf said. Conviction of first-degree murder in Florida is punishable by the death penalty, according to the Death Penalty Information Center."


Now, does the reporter draw the conclusion that all the anti-birth control propaganda floating round the hallways of our high schools is in any way responsible for this? No, of course not, reporters are objective and unbiased.

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» Good question. Posted by: sausage
» RE: Good question. Posted by: TassieDevil
Sigh...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 11, 2007 6:27 AM   
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When will people finally accept the fact that Democrats and Rebuplicans will BOTH do whatever is best for themselves, and that neitherparty actually cares about what you think or want as soon as your vote is cast.

The same kind of wool being pulled over the eyes of Republican voters for years is being pulled over the eyes of Democrats as well.

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» RE: Sigh... Posted by: Roverton
one more reason to abandon the democratic party
Posted by: dancingcloud on Jun 11, 2007 6:56 AM   
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David Obey is the perfect example of why we should not let these fools get together. They start swooning in the mind-control atmosphere. Have them make decisions at home, surrounded by their constituents.

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» Beltway mentality Posted by: MadFlacc
Abstinence Issue
Posted by: Nan on Jun 11, 2007 7:15 AM   
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So what's the status of the third party movement right now? I'd be interested.

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Maybe Some Questions Don't Have An Answer (Charlie Brown)
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 11, 2007 7:38 AM   
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Women have been killing new borns since the beginning of time. No, it's not right. We don't know who's fault it is. But neither is it right to turn it into a political debate. In Westbury NY there's a portion of a cemetary for the remains of abandoned newborns found in various places. in March, 06 there were 80+ babies buried there. Not everything can be debated for its intellectual and academic meaning. We just don't know about some things. Thanks, ANNA

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Legislating Against Arousal: The Growing Divide Between Federal Policy and Teenage Sexual Behavior
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 11, 2007 9:53 AM   
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» COMEDY GOLD Posted by: MadFlacc
» seriously Posted by: fanny666
Greasing the Congressional corruption train
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 11, 2007 10:20 AM   
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The fact is that under the current political system, corruption is the norm - for Democrats, for Republicans and also for Greens and Independents.

It's all about payoffs to the people who put their politicians into office, and if making deals is what it takes to get your pet project financed, that's what they'll do.

The biggest hogs that need to be fed are the energy industry (nuclear, coal, oil, and natural gas currently hold the purse strings), the defense/engineering contractors like Lockheed, Northrup, SAIC, Raytheon, Bechtel, Fluor and big agribusiness concerns

This appears to be why we have seen no hearings on Cheney's energy task force, or on the corrupt and flawed missile defense contracts.

We've also seen no hearings on the response to Katrina, and the gross and corrupt contracts that flowed to Blackwater et al afterwards.

This is also why Democrats refused to get rid of the multibillion dollar subsidies that flow to the fossil fuel lobby every year, as they promised to do. As far as the corrupt practices in big agribusiness, they won't even discuss that one.

The ONLY solution is to get the corporate money out of politics, and to provide public funding of election campaigns. This is just about the only way that we'll get honest politicians into office.

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WHAT IS *REALLY* THE DIFF BETWEEN THIS AND WAR FUNDING?
Posted by: alicelillie on Jun 11, 2007 11:07 AM   
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The main issue here, I think, is that money is being taken away from taxpayers to fund a program that they may disapprove of.

What is the difference between that and taking money to fund a war that you may disapprove of?

Or a drug war that you may disapprove of?

The thing is, something like an abstenance program is not a function of the federal government. My own belief is that the government should not have any part in morality. Not at any level. If such programs should be funded by the government, it should be state and local, so that the locals have greater imput into the content of the programs.

I happen to be a born-againer too (actually it is by an act of my *will* not happenstance) but people are responsible for their own behavior, and for what they teach their kids. I wish that the government would but out and save *your* tax dollars.

See my blog essay _How the Bush Administration is Destroying Our Country and Damaging the Christian Church_ and it is doing it precisely by such antics as manipulating the education in local schools.

http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com .

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Just another reason to avoid Democrats
Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 12:34 PM   
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There are at least 47 Reasons To Oppose The Democratic Party, here are ten. Let me know if you wish to see the rest.

1) The Democrats are just a faction of the enemy -- not allies in any sense. They are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. They have betrayed us beyond all possible reconciliation, and are more truly allies of the Republicans than they are "friends" of ours.

2) It's just a fallacy to believe that the Democrats can somehow be transformed into a political force defending the interests of the broader public. That's not what they are. That they dare posture as the "party of the people" is an insult to our collective intelligence. In reality, they use this tattered & tired popular image to collude with the rightwing, confuse the public, & sell us out at every turn.

3) I encourage you to rethink your well-intentioned support of Democrats. (The writing of Howard Zinn is useful, in this connection.) The history of the Dem Party is one of deep partnership with Republicans, not of genuine opposition. The ballyhooed "rivalry" is just on the surface -- essentially, just a deception. The Dems were full co-partners in building the military-industrial complex and the national security state; in inflicting criminal wars in SE Asia & Latin America, etc etc. And since 2000, they have outdone themselves in shameless unprincipled collusion.

4) This is a party ready for the dustbin of history. The only "help" we should give them is helping them get there. We should focus on laying the groundwork for a party that genuinely represents our interests, not helping to resurrect a disgraced & decaying enemy.

5) The Kuciniches and McKinneys are different from the Hillary types -- but there are compelling reasons not to get too excited about them, either. First of all, they are used by the party as a "Left decoration," simply to keep potential left defectors in tow. Secondly, the party power brokers will NEVER in a million years let the Kucinich-McKinney faction have any real power.

6) In other words, the progressive Dem faction is cynically used as a marketing tool by the national party. They are dangled before your eyes to make you think that the Dems are still the "lesser evil" (since the Republicans offer no such Left decorations).

7) But the real face of the Democratic Party is revealed, for example, by the way they had police drag people out of the 2004 convention for wearing anti-war tee-shirts. Or by John Kerry, who tried to pretend during the entire campaign that his connection with Vietnam was just that he "served" -- trying to hide the fact that he'd been an outspoken OPPONENT of a criminal war.

8) In other words -- don't be fooled by the existence of a few decent Dems. They make no real difference in the overall alignment of the party, and will never be internally influential. They are a distraction.

9) Taking over" the party is a naive illusion. Both parties are dominated and driven by the interests of huge corporations and plutocrats. Neither gives the slightest hoot about the well-being of the general public -- which, as both of them well know, is utterly defenseless, politically. Both parties regard the public as a lamb to be fleeced on behalf of their (the parties') patrons. This condition is non-negotiable & not subject to alteration by ordinary well-meaning people.

10) Both parties represent little more than the will of giant oil, banking, media and defense corporations. The only way they differ is in marketing strategies, target populations, rhetorical style, & external fluff.

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This is not exactly unexpected...
Posted by: sospamme on Jun 11, 2007 1:06 PM   
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Will Rogers died in 1935, but this has a certain timeless accuracy--"If we ever pass out [of existence] as a great nation we ought to put on our tombstone, 'America died from a delusion that she has moral leadership.'"

Or how about something from Mark Twain? "Look at the tyranny of party--at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty--a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes--and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master.
- "The Character of Man," Mark Twain's Autobiography

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Slider
Posted by: pass the ammo on Jun 11, 2007 1:55 PM   
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I have been trying to tell people every since Reagan first ran that the so-called evil Christians were going the bring our nation to it's knees. Faith based policy crap.

When sex glands start to quiver, they need attention and the hypocrites can Bible thump all they want to, but nature will not change.

Obey should have his whammy-do split in half.

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If "abstinence" means...
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 11, 2007 2:34 PM   
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not getting screwed by Washington politicians, I'm all for it.

Otherwise, Democrats and Republicans plus independents too, keep your damn noses out of our sex lives!

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OK to broaden education
Posted by: veive on Jun 11, 2007 3:16 PM   
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I see nothing wrong with mentioning the "benefits" of abstinence in sex education classes. We point out the fallacy of perpetual motion machinery during science courses. A rounded education includes what works as well as what doesn't. Of course, the real in-depth abstinence teaching should go on in a chosen or mandated religion's study group. That way you can find out all about the hellish rewards for your "Heaven on earth" activities like sex.

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why does anyone think congress will ever help them?
Posted by: somegirl on Jun 11, 2007 5:40 PM   
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we are a nation of retards who gave all the power to even bigger retards. i can't wait till this whole planet is nuked to kindom come just to get rid of those asshole.

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Don't Bother Us - We're Playing Poker!
Posted by: mgloraine on Jun 11, 2007 7:53 PM   
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It looks more and more as if the ConDems (ahem, Congressional Democrats) are busy trying to outsmart BushCo rather than taking the straightforward approach of refusing to give them money and approval for their sleazy, illegal enterprises and prosecuting Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, O'Connor, et al. for their various felonies, unconstitutional acts, and war-crimes. As if they want to beat them at the game of "hard-ball politics" instead of having them arrested and their ill-gotten fortunes seized, which would be more to the point as well as saving a lot of lives and money.

Every day BushCo occupies the White House means more wasted lives and another billion or so dollars vanishes into some gangsters' secret offshore accounts. Every piece of legislation, every new program, every budget item introduced by members of this administration has been tainted with corruption, racketeering, favoritism, misappropriations, price gouging, etc. To have Democrats playing along is a betrayal of the most despicable type.

No one is going to be able to out-swindle BushCo! They've been working at it for a long time, have a lot of as-yet unindicted co-conspirators, and more weapons and money at their disposal than is appropriate for law-abiding citizens.

The Democrats were sent to oppose, counter, deter, impede and STOP the BushCo takeover of the government and obliteration of the Constitution. I don't see it happening. I see pathetic non-binding, symbolic, useless crap which doesn't even pass it's Committee.

Maybe behind our backs, they're exchanging winks and high-signs across the aisle to indicate that there will (of course) NOT be a shortage at the trough as a result of any ACTUAL legislation. The Pork Must Flow.

So are the ConDems playing a stupid game of political poker, wagering that they can out-maneuver BushCo and regain the White House in '08? Or are they more like professional wrestlers, a lot of theatrical posturing and bluster for the benefit of the audience, after which they meet with their "opponents" to divide the graft and take a "fact-finding mission" to Hawaii to investigate the Spam controversy?

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Democrats? What democrats?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 11, 2007 8:24 PM   
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The 2006 "election" means next to nothing, with the bushies rolling merrily along, murdering helpless Iraqis, abandoning our military personnel, plundering our treasury, and trashing our Constitution. Who's there to stand between us and these evil bastards? NOBODY, that's who. There's really only ONE political party; let's call them the THIEVES. Who are we? Why, the SUCKERS, of course.

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Are there any good Green Party candidates for Pres in 2008 yet?
Posted by: johngary66 on Jun 11, 2007 9:06 PM   
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If ever there were an opportunity for a third party this is it. Ralph Nador need not apply.

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Obey should lose his his committee chairmanship
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jun 11, 2007 9:38 PM   
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Take it away. Now!

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