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Who's Afraid of Naughty Words? The Idiocy of NSFW
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Who's afraid of naughty words? Not The New Yorker. After the spring-fling scandal about the use of the word "scrotum" in children's literature, the NYer published a satire by Paul Rudnick, which revealed X-rated stories like "The Pretty Little Bunny," (Melissa Rabbit ponders her vagina) and "The Clattery Caboose." (Don't even ask about his prostate!)
I laughed my a** off -- but wondered what would happen if I, a simple blograt, ran the same darn thing. With nothing more than the inclusion of those naughty little words, my story would be labeled "NSFW" (Not Safe For Work) in many quarters. Spam filters would block out my sun; millions of readers would be effectively hindered.
The New Yorker runs clever, sexually sophisticated stories all the time without such censorship. They say "fuck." They publish critically acclaimed erotic and nude photography. They discuss and illustrate the lives of famous decadent and kinky artists (who can forget the Balthus story?). They deliver a steady diet of grown-up arts and politics which resonates with untold numbers of readers.
Nowhere, in all the internet, would you hear The New Yorker described as NSFW. Whether you brought their magazine to the office, or searched their web site online, the firewall/censorship/Dilbert Nightmare of NSFW would never crease a NYer reader's brow.
Why is that? Even though NSFW is assumed to have something to do with Sex, it is much more finely tuned to Class -- as in whether material is considered respectable in its proper class-conscious milieu. In that vein, the most elite periodicals enjoy the greatest freedom, while further down the ladder, prudery reigns. Plebians, cover your eyes!
The NYer is an easy example to point to, but you could note the same thing about Vogue, a fashion magazine -- nudity in virtually every issue. Vanity Fair, a reader favorite, regularly publishes profane words, nudity, and explicit commentary on sexual controversies.
Elite newspapers belong to this daring group too. The New York Times reports with great gusto on every sexual debate. When it comes to art, they're no wilting flowers -- they just published a gorgeous slide show of naked women and their young children.
These photos were especially daring, because they violate the letter of U.S. Federal law, which stipulates that no nude photographs may be published or exhibited of minors, no matter what the context. Ever. Without exception.
This is why you hear stories about parents being dragged sobbing into court, their kids taken away, because their photos of their naked toddlers in the plastic play-pool were seized by do-gooders at a drugstore photo lab.
The law is wrong. It's unjust, it's anti-art, anti-kid, and purely phobic. I love that the Times, Vogue, The New Yorker -- and other high-status members of the publishing world -- stick their neck out on this issue to prove a point.
Their embrace of the first amendment should extend to all, particularly the internet.
NSFW exists because of undefined and bigoted conceits. It's more outrageous, in its own DIY-Prude fashion, than the federal "child porn" law, the Hays Code, or the almost-irrelevant MPAA.
Why? Because it is unmandated, unlegislated, censorship.
A casual observer may opine of NSFW, like the late Judge Potter said of hardcore pornography, that "I'll know it when I see it."
However, you may find yourself recanting, like the Judge did, when you compare your views to your friends and colleagues -- you can't find five people in a room who'll agree down the line what "NSFW" includes.
Because everyone is afraid of shaming or disciplinary action on this issue, self-censorship leads to absurd cautions, and institutionalized filtering that goes against basic self-interest. Remember when AOL banned the word "breast," causing their readers with breast cancer to go ballistic?
That's inevitable at the unaccountable censor's desk, not the exception.
If NSFW meant filtering out "sexually explicit" or profane materials, what does that mean, exactly? Is there a list of seven bad words, while others make the cut? Is a woman's breast sexually explicit in every context, be it eroticism, cancer, or nursing? If the material in question is published by a major corporation, does that render NSFW moot? Exactly how does that get argued?
NSFW has no meaning in print -- in paper journalism or publishing. It has no place in a newsroom or the bookstore. It only exists on the Internet -- which is ironically notorious for its libertarianism. NSFW, whoever dreamed it up, is a Bowdlerization of the Web, a Scarlet Letter. It exists because fearful people believe in it, like a bad fairy who takes over System Operations. It says more about the psychological fears and prejudices of the person using it, than it does about the content in question. Why do web authors put up with it?
The "W" in NSFW seems to imply that the "workplace" is an environment where all must be defended against impropriety and loss of efficiency. But surely clock-watching bosses have noticed that employees can just as easily daydream about online seed catalogs as they can about porn.
"The "S" stands for "Safe"-- although it seems more of a "Satire." What is the danger of seeing or reading something you don't agree with? Will you fly through a windshield? Where are the corpses of those who died from being offended?
When I started my first web page, NSFW didn't exist, and therefore, I didn't get tarred with the brush. Amazingly, it never came up. The world hung onto its axis. U.S. productivity continued unimpaired.
When I blogged years later, and more importantly, when I blogged about women's issues, like abortion and birth control, I found myself stabbed with NSFW daggers for the first time. My editorials on the South Dakota abortion ban -- which included video footage from primetime SD television news -- were the items that nailed my Safety-Free coffin.
There is not a single feminist political blogger I've met who hasn't dealt with this issue. I brought it up at the last Blogher conference, and it was like a Zoolander explosion at the gas station.
Of course, it's not just mouthy women who get the NSFW tattoo. Needless to say, if you're gay -- in any fashion -- you are NSFW. If you use a "bad" word that would otherwise be published in Entertainment Weekly without blinking an eye, you're NSFW. If you present photographs of antique, artistic, or educational breasts -- in any form! You. Are. So. Wrong. Nursing mothers can just forget about it.
The NSFW prejudice is entirely dependent on size, with a soupcon of prejudice thrown in. There are certainly a few quiet, no-fuss lactation sites that haven't been destroyed by NSFW, but they exist in a sheltered world. If they get political, or uppity, just watch the backlash.
That's the odd case though. It's usually about the money. If you reach a critical mass, or have the imprinteur of high society, you can run ANYTHING on your site, no matter how sensational or sexually bizarre -- no matter how many religions it offends, or work hours it squanders. No one will dream of calling you names and sending you to the sidelines. No longer are you NSFW -- you are Safe for Bank.
How much does it "cost" to get your NSFW wings clipped? I asked a Google AdSense rep that once. He turned down my application because of ... well, you know. This was before I had one mammary gland on my deck. I argued with him, by pointing to all the sexually vivid stories that were in the Times the same week I put in my application.
He agreed; he said, I was "absolutely right." "But they have millions of hits," he wrote me. "And you don't."
When I point out the ethical disaster of NSFW, many shake their heads. Of course it's about money, what isn't? How could I be so naive?
What's interesting, is how few characterize the hypocrisy of NSFW group-think as unAmerican, undemocratic, illegal -- or unethical. All that fuss and bother to make democratic publishing possible was just a mistake, a joke. It's as if everyone gave up.
So what do you do about it -- if you think "Not Safe For Work" censorship has gone too far?
It's tricky, isn't it? NSFW has no legal or electoral basis -- there's no ballot to punch, no senator to harangue.
The great majority of NSFW warnings are the result of unconscious class and religious bias, with the added conceit of American ethnocentrism.
For starters, let's change our own responses.
1. Unless you would tag The New York Times, The New Yorker, Vogue, Vanity Fair, Rolling Stone, and Art World as "NSFW" -- don't tag anyone else who covers the same turf of sexual politics, erotic culture, and the full breadth of the English language. And yes, those editors publish bare breasts -- in some cases, every issue.
Think about the media class distinctions every time, and you'll find yourself exercising freedom of speech.
2. What if you want to tell your dear old fragile Aunt Dot about a spaghetti recipe, but you're worried she might take offense at the rest of the site, or worse, blame you for impropriety?
Solution: Try being direct and nonchalant:
Dear Aunt Dot, Thought you'd love this recipe. [Susie's] site is feminist/leftwing/sassy/bohemian, but I thought you'd like it.
3. Remove and oppose Nannyware systems wherever they crop up. If you want to filter your spam in some fashion, that's up to you, not some nameless hack whose values or interests you may not share. Don't assume your values and cultural attitudes are shared by a no-size-fits-all filter.
4. What if you're reading a site at work and one of your co-workers/supervisors interrupts you with a shocked glance and demands to know what you're up to?
Again, imagine you were reading one of the magazines above. You would say, "Why, I"m reading an article about Kurt Eichenwald going off the deep end in New York magazine ... what about you?"
Do not take the "prude bait" that there is something particularly unusual about what you're reading at your desk. It's a big world out there. This is not a nursery school.
5. You work with someone who's a leering, porn-obsessed pig who all but rubs himself down with hand lotion every time you need to borrow a paper clip.
Solution: The problem is privacy. That's how you address the problem. Many of us don't like to listen to bigoted, narcissistic, neurotic demands for attention all day, but NFSW lunacy isn't working for anyone.
The creeps don't stop being creepy, no matter how many indexes you give them, and meanwhile, American political and cultural discussion is reduced to infantilism. It's not an equal trade.
Remove the diaper, and consider a grownup alternative. We have a couple hundred years of figuring this first amendment stuff out on paper; let's take our wisdom and ethics to the web with the same respect.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Mar 26, 2007 3:40 AM
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Would the "Breast" example quoted have censored a recipe for chicken breast? Would the words "Cock" or "Ass" censor articles about farming? Would "Pussy" censor communication among cat lovers?
This stuff is both petty and insane.
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Posted by: fsquared on Mar 26, 2007 3:45 AM
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I run a large network. It happens to be a U.S. government-owned network. We use spam filters for email, content filters for internet surfing, and firewalls to prevent malicious attacks. I have run into many situations where our machines have been less than flexible.
Consider the case of an email user on our network with the last name "Dyke"...a woman no less. When she came aboard and was set up with an account, she quickly found that she couldn't send or receive email because the spam filter grabbed all of her mail. That was as embarrasssing for me as it was for her. We quickly remedied the situation.
Removing the spam filter is not an option, however. Current statistics show 50% of the incoming email traffic is spam and therefore is blocked. Removing that spam filter would flood my users' inbox with ads for offshore drug offers, phishing scams, money scams, and other types of email traffic that, in some cases, would be harmful to the network. So we live with our filter. We "tune" it to the best of our ability.
On internet surf content filtering, I wonder how you would feel about members of my entity, who are paid with our tax dollars, spending hours and days surfing pornographic or hate-mongering sites. That is exactly the situation we had before instituting the filter. Yes, I set policies on our filter that block most of these sites, whether it is Playboy.com or some racist or gang-related site. Unfortunately, that means it would probably also block sites that would be considered legitimate.
With internet traffic we also have the issue of limited bandwidth availability. We have a certain amount of work-related traffic that must take place to get the work of the organization completed. Before we instituted filtering, we were often critically short of bandwidth for that function because we had huge amounts of non-work related traffic. So now we filter the traffic. We also force our users to use their work email rather than gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail or otherwise. The alternative is to ask for more $ (your tax dollars) to provide more bandwidth, so that our users can waste that $ surfing non-work related, and many times pornographic, racist or other sites.
So we filter traffic. Unfortunately, that means yet another piece of gear that we have to "tune". And that means choices about what to block and what to let pass. We rarely block specific sites. Instead we block categories. But like all of life, some things are not easily categorized. Some things get blocked that probably shouldn't be blocked. And some things pass that should be blocked. But we certainly aren't in the business of playing "nanny".
There is the phenomenon of legitimate sites that happen to be hosted on networks that also host sites that originate malicious code. If your blog happens to be hosted on a network that also has someone else hosted who produces harmful virus or spyware, then you will find that we block that network. It isn't because we don't like your site or your politics (even if that happens to be true). We must protect this network from attacks that might shut it down. Its the price of doing our business.
I could go on about the nuances of managing the types of traffic on a network. Sometimes it means using a bulldozer where a shovel would suffice. My point is that you shouldn't assume that blocks to your blog (and those like it that straddle the "prudish" line) are due to nannyism.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 26, 2007 5:08 AM
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Who sets the standards? Who decides what words or links deserve NSFW identification?
Apparently the same people who voted George W. into office.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with irrefutable, hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: drouse on Mar 26, 2007 5:11 AM
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If Ms. Bright is talking about tagging posts in blogs with the text "NSFW" then that isn't censorship at all, not in any rational definition of censorship.
Instead the "NSFW" is a courtesy, letting someone know (as the link text and URL may be ambiguous) that they may get in trouble at work if they have the link open in a browser window.
It seems really odd that I would have to explain that, by the way.
And yes, I would expect the New Yorker, Vogue and Vanity Fair articles to all be flagged as NSFW, certainly I've seen similar posts on metafilter flagged that way. So I'm not sure the whole class argument works for me.
There are many, many workplaces were having a "NSFW" website open in your browser window will mean some kind of disciplinary action -- all the way up to being fired. You may disagree with that, but that doesn't change the fact that the NSFW tag serves a useful purpose for many people.
The same thing would apply to magazines or books being brought into the workplace, by the way. Although for reasons I would think would be obvious, we aren't tagging physical books with "NSFW" on the Internet. So I don't buy into the "Internet getto" argument.
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Sex without God is pornography,
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Posted by: brunowe on Mar 26, 2007 6:49 AM
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Bear in mind that someone having certain sites on his computer could be construed as creating a hostile work environment if passers-by (and many cubicles are set up with low, if any, walls and with the screen facing the hallways, etc.) are offended by anything explicit.
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Posted by: RevRick on Mar 26, 2007 5:16 PM
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Keep in mind that just because a company’s software lets you reach a website like the New York Times doesn’t mean you are allowed to be reading the news while you are working.
In fact I would be very surprised if any large employers in this country allow, as a matter of policy, their employees to surf the internet for non-job related things on company time. I am sure there are bosses that look the other way but that is different.
Of course unlike some previous posters are suggesting this has nothing to do with potential lawsuits but with productivity. Most employers take the position that you are paid to work not read the news, be it the newspaper, a newspapers website or Alternet.
The only reason porn and sites with certain words are filtered out is because they can be. There is no way for software to filter out all non-work related sites, like most news sites. Though I am sure as soon as someone figures out how to do it companies will start.
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Posted by: GregShaw on Mar 27, 2007 12:50 AM
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Then it got corporate, and they couldn't do that shit any longer. Suddenly there are women and people of color on my work team. It's better. If they sent around those emails they'd get their ass shitcanned. This is a substantial improvement.
In actual practice I usually have something up on my screen that involves a political aspect of sexuality, and that is not a problem. But it's true, I've traded looking at pictures of dominent women and naked men on my work time, in exchange for not having stupid het porn starting me in the face all the time. It's a good trade.
And even if in some magical world, you could take a world of corporate tech men and make them into people truly tolerant and celebratory of sexual diversity, is that exactly what I want from work? Work almost by definition is a place you have to go hang out with people you don't have much in common with. I mean, I'm a curmudgeonly member of a small sexual minority (bi, sm sub to women), and I'm unlikely to find other people's sex positivity positive to me, nor viceversa. Why should I? Sex can be open, but still be esoteric, not a good thing for the commons.
One of the few ways porn restrictions in my workplace impact me is instructive. I'm a moderator on an SM site, and because it's plastered with porny pictures I can't moderate or post at work. This is a lot of my social-sexual-political community. But... I'm more pissed off at the admins of this site, who think it's necessary for me to see a fake dominatrix dressed in latex in order to have, say conversations about relationships or politics that have to do with sex with actual dommes. In actual practice, at work, I can expect to be generally respected despite my sexual orientation, that they all know about, and if woman hating slips into the discourse I can call them on it. In the world of latex dommes I'm not allowed to see at work, I'd guess half of posts are men attacking women, top men spewing mysogynist trash against dommes, usually.
All power to NSFW, its reach needs to go further, for the sake of sexual freedom, hot kink action, and being able to get through the work day without irritation.
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Posted by: RevRick on Mar 27, 2007 3:35 PM
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In the real world where most men and women work and live, getting a personal email from someone at work will get you fired, regardless if it contains the word breast or not, even if it is to inform you of a family illness. Personal IMing at work about sex, (gay, straight, or other) or anything else will get you fired. Spending 10% of your work day doing anything other than working will get you fired.
In large areas of the south in this country women and men form unions just to enforce their right to go to the bathroom on company time. I am going to repeat that, because I think it needs repeating. In large areas of the south in this country men and women form unions just to enforce their right to go to the bathroom on company time.
I recently sat a grievance where management tried to argue that a single occurrence of a worker misusing 23 seconds of company time was fraud, and this is in a union workplace. Another grievance is pending because a member went to the employee lounge on 5 min of company time because he needed to take medication and the medication required he eat something with it. They docked him an hours pay.
While all this is going on some people here are bitching about internet use on company time. If you are ever forced to get a job in the real world you are in for a rude awakening.
I am a liberal, a progressive, a union member, and a union steward. I lobby elected officials at all levels of government on behalf of workers rights. Even with this background, I have to say this is one of the few times that I can't sympathize with the "workers’" position on this one.
The more I think about it the more I am convinced that complaints like this one only reinforce, in the mind of the average working class American, the "ivory tower liberal" label the right throws around all the time.
I would even go so far as to say that complaints like this actually hurt the average worker by making it easier for employers to ignore or dismiss legitimate complaints.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Mar 26, 2007 3:40 AM
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Would the "Breast" example quoted have censored a recipe for chicken breast? Would the words "Cock" or "Ass" censor articles about farming? Would "Pussy" censor communication among cat lovers?
This stuff is both petty and insane.
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Posted by: fsquared on Mar 26, 2007 3:45 AM
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I run a large network. It happens to be a U.S. government-owned network. We use spam filters for email, content filters for internet surfing, and firewalls to prevent malicious attacks. I have run into many situations where our machines have been less than flexible.
Consider the case of an email user on our network with the last name "Dyke"...a woman no less. When she came aboard and was set up with an account, she quickly found that she couldn't send or receive email because the spam filter grabbed all of her mail. That was as embarrasssing for me as it was for her. We quickly remedied the situation.
Removing the spam filter is not an option, however. Current statistics show 50% of the incoming email traffic is spam and therefore is blocked. Removing that spam filter would flood my users' inbox with ads for offshore drug offers, phishing scams, money scams, and other types of email traffic that, in some cases, would be harmful to the network. So we live with our filter. We "tune" it to the best of our ability.
On internet surf content filtering, I wonder how you would feel about members of my entity, who are paid with our tax dollars, spending hours and days surfing pornographic or hate-mongering sites. That is exactly the situation we had before instituting the filter. Yes, I set policies on our filter that block most of these sites, whether it is Playboy.com or some racist or gang-related site. Unfortunately, that means it would probably also block sites that would be considered legitimate.
With internet traffic we also have the issue of limited bandwidth availability. We have a certain amount of work-related traffic that must take place to get the work of the organization completed. Before we instituted filtering, we were often critically short of bandwidth for that function because we had huge amounts of non-work related traffic. So now we filter the traffic. We also force our users to use their work email rather than gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail or otherwise. The alternative is to ask for more $ (your tax dollars) to provide more bandwidth, so that our users can waste that $ surfing non-work related, and many times pornographic, racist or other sites.
So we filter traffic. Unfortunately, that means yet another piece of gear that we have to "tune". And that means choices about what to block and what to let pass. We rarely block specific sites. Instead we block categories. But like all of life, some things are not easily categorized. Some things get blocked that probably shouldn't be blocked. And some things pass that should be blocked. But we certainly aren't in the business of playing "nanny".
There is the phenomenon of legitimate sites that happen to be hosted on networks that also host sites that originate malicious code. If your blog happens to be hosted on a network that also has someone else hosted who produces harmful virus or spyware, then you will find that we block that network. It isn't because we don't like your site or your politics (even if that happens to be true). We must protect this network from attacks that might shut it down. Its the price of doing our business.
I could go on about the nuances of managing the types of traffic on a network. Sometimes it means using a bulldozer where a shovel would suffice. My point is that you shouldn't assume that blocks to your blog (and those like it that straddle the "prudish" line) are due to nannyism.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 26, 2007 5:08 AM
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Who sets the standards? Who decides what words or links deserve NSFW identification?
Apparently the same people who voted George W. into office.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with irrefutable, hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: drouse on Mar 26, 2007 5:11 AM
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If Ms. Bright is talking about tagging posts in blogs with the text "NSFW" then that isn't censorship at all, not in any rational definition of censorship.
Instead the "NSFW" is a courtesy, letting someone know (as the link text and URL may be ambiguous) that they may get in trouble at work if they have the link open in a browser window.
It seems really odd that I would have to explain that, by the way.
And yes, I would expect the New Yorker, Vogue and Vanity Fair articles to all be flagged as NSFW, certainly I've seen similar posts on metafilter flagged that way. So I'm not sure the whole class argument works for me.
There are many, many workplaces were having a "NSFW" website open in your browser window will mean some kind of disciplinary action -- all the way up to being fired. You may disagree with that, but that doesn't change the fact that the NSFW tag serves a useful purpose for many people.
The same thing would apply to magazines or books being brought into the workplace, by the way. Although for reasons I would think would be obvious, we aren't tagging physical books with "NSFW" on the Internet. So I don't buy into the "Internet getto" argument.
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Bear in mind that someone having certain sites on his computer could be construed as creating a hostile work environment if passers-by (and many cubicles are set up with low, if any, walls and with the screen facing the hallways, etc.) are offended by anything explicit.
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Keep in mind that just because a company’s software lets you reach a website like the New York Times doesn’t mean you are allowed to be reading the news while you are working.
In fact I would be very surprised if any large employers in this country allow, as a matter of policy, their employees to surf the internet for non-job related things on company time. I am sure there are bosses that look the other way but that is different.
Of course unlike some previous posters are suggesting this has nothing to do with potential lawsuits but with productivity. Most employers take the position that you are paid to work not read the news, be it the newspaper, a newspapers website or Alternet.
The only reason porn and sites with certain words are filtered out is because they can be. There is no way for software to filter out all non-work related sites, like most news sites. Though I am sure as soon as someone figures out how to do it companies will start.
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Then it got corporate, and they couldn't do that shit any longer. Suddenly there are women and people of color on my work team. It's better. If they sent around those emails they'd get their ass shitcanned. This is a substantial improvement.
In actual practice I usually have something up on my screen that involves a political aspect of sexuality, and that is not a problem. But it's true, I've traded looking at pictures of dominent women and naked men on my work time, in exchange for not having stupid het porn starting me in the face all the time. It's a good trade.
And even if in some magical world, you could take a world of corporate tech men and make them into people truly tolerant and celebratory of sexual diversity, is that exactly what I want from work? Work almost by definition is a place you have to go hang out with people you don't have much in common with. I mean, I'm a curmudgeonly member of a small sexual minority (bi, sm sub to women), and I'm unlikely to find other people's sex positivity positive to me, nor viceversa. Why should I? Sex can be open, but still be esoteric, not a good thing for the commons.
One of the few ways porn restrictions in my workplace impact me is instructive. I'm a moderator on an SM site, and because it's plastered with porny pictures I can't moderate or post at work. This is a lot of my social-sexual-political community. But... I'm more pissed off at the admins of this site, who think it's necessary for me to see a fake dominatrix dressed in latex in order to have, say conversations about relationships or politics that have to do with sex with actual dommes. In actual practice, at work, I can expect to be generally respected despite my sexual orientation, that they all know about, and if woman hating slips into the discourse I can call them on it. In the world of latex dommes I'm not allowed to see at work, I'd guess half of posts are men attacking women, top men spewing mysogynist trash against dommes, usually.
All power to NSFW, its reach needs to go further, for the sake of sexual freedom, hot kink action, and being able to get through the work day without irritation.
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Posted by: RevRick on Mar 27, 2007 3:35 PM
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In the real world where most men and women work and live, getting a personal email from someone at work will get you fired, regardless if it contains the word breast or not, even if it is to inform you of a family illness. Personal IMing at work about sex, (gay, straight, or other) or anything else will get you fired. Spending 10% of your work day doing anything other than working will get you fired.
In large areas of the south in this country women and men form unions just to enforce their right to go to the bathroom on company time. I am going to repeat that, because I think it needs repeating. In large areas of the south in this country men and women form unions just to enforce their right to go to the bathroom on company time.
I recently sat a grievance where management tried to argue that a single occurrence of a worker misusing 23 seconds of company time was fraud, and this is in a union workplace. Another grievance is pending because a member went to the employee lounge on 5 min of company time because he needed to take medication and the medication required he eat something with it. They docked him an hours pay.
While all this is going on some people here are bitching about internet use on company time. If you are ever forced to get a job in the real world you are in for a rude awakening.
I am a liberal, a progressive, a union member, and a union steward. I lobby elected officials at all levels of government on behalf of workers rights. Even with this background, I have to say this is one of the few times that I can't sympathize with the "workers’" position on this one.
The more I think about it the more I am convinced that complaints like this one only reinforce, in the mind of the average working class American, the "ivory tower liberal" label the right throws around all the time.
I would even go so far as to say that complaints like this actually hurt the average worker by making it easier for employers to ignore or dismiss legitimate complaints.
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