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Bondage, Cum Shots, Violence -- Sexist Ad Trends That Refuse to Die
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This was a big year for women: The first serious female presidential candidate, the first predominately female state senate, the first female Top Chef. Yet the advertising world has not caught up to the advances of half our population and continues to use stereotypes and violence to prey on our most vile desires. Here are the worst of them -- the trends that won't die despite our cultural outrage, and personal boredom.
BONDAGE - This year Remy Martin debuted its "things are getting interesting" campaign that features a mediocre Website and a series of billboards/magazine spreads depicting women in degrading bondage positions. You may think, "hey this one shows two women, there aren't even men involved, how can it be sexist?" But most of the ads (not available online) have men between the two women in controlling positions. And even without that, these women are obviously putting on a show for an outsider, not having a passionate lesbian love affair for themselves. These types of ads gain traction in cultural periods of female advancement -- capturing the fantasy of "putting us back where we belong."

Remy Martin describes its followers as "influential, social, and multicultural urban males, ages 25 to 35." Men of this ilk and age range (read: over 16) should know better than to fall for this kind of pandering. If we switch the view from this being sexy, to this being a pathetic attempt to make an undersexed male feel powerful in the face of female accomplishment, the image loses its appeal. I would like to start a "things that are not interesting" campaign, which would include men insecure enough about themselves that they can't talk to women who aren't physically degraded. I would also include cognac.
RAPE -- The world of high fashion has been the worst offender in the violence-as-art game. Cavalli had pirates, Chanel had a wife beater, and now Dolce and Gabbana has this.

Let's get this out there now: It's not edgy, it's ridiculous. This is a gang rape, and any woman that sees those shoes instead of that message deserves those shoes. Any man who doesn't see that this is rape is probably looking at one of the hard bodies in the background and therefore not really a threat to women.
"SLUTS" -- Much like the Calvin Klein ads of the early 90s -- you remember the ones that made you feel like you were watching child porn, cause you sorta were -- this ad offers a young woman (with the face of a small child) posed in a sexually suggestive manner. They are offering you a virgin in looks and expression, and a slut in the tagline: "You know you're not the first." She's been fucked before -- she knows what she's doing. She's been used so you can do whatever you like to her.
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Posted by: SalB on Dec 12, 2008 12:42 AM
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» RE: Clue the insecure
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» The cue is that he's holding her down, restraining her
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» Truthfully though,I'm not sure what they're advertising... the woman's shoes, or the men's clothing?
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» Treat men as receptacles? Well, that would be gay. -nt-
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Posted by: Moonray on Dec 12, 2008 12:46 AM
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-- Where does AARP get off airing wall-to-wall ads on most every channel peddling life insurance? Didn't AARP use to be about helping older people? Isn't it subsidized by the federal government as a nonprofit group? These annoying ads are just one more reason most private insurance -- and most so-called nonprofit groups -- should be banned.
-- It's increasingly obvious that the TV news operations are not allowed to report on certain topics. Example: Obscene defense spending, such as that for the nearly useless F-22 fighter. Each plane costs $350 million so far, with tens of billions already spent. And this boondoggle is just one of dozens ongoing at the Pentagon, which shovels huge amounts of tax money into the pockets of a handful of corporate war profiteers. It's a huge story, but the MSM largely ignore it, preferring to yammer endlessly about politics and missing white girls. I suspect that is not a coincidence.
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» Duh, GE owns NBC - what do you expect?
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 12, 2008 1:42 AM
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No reason for optimism, however. In this land of wall to wall habituation to cycles of zeal and enthusiasm and depression and fatigue (that 400-year-old moral economics at the base of our real economic relations), one can only expect the rise of new styles and forms by the new generation of Parasites. Marketing will always exploit desire by any means necessary in order to gain from a transaction. A psychic terrain is always a rich source for extractions of nourishments.
But Parasites are canny and they are patient. As the current Body they feed on retires and dies off, they are in the process of fattening up and nourishing the new Body they will feed upon.
Meantime, we Generous Hosts are giving them plenty of money and breaks in the form of bailouts and such to tide them over until they can complete the process of latching onto the new generation.
Whether vulgar or sophisticated, whether aimed at the crudest or most sublimated instincts, sex and desire will always be exploited at every step of the way.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 AM
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» Once again, Feminists are NOT Men with Lipstick :.(
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» I would say the # of men who are misguided about what appeals to women is much greater
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» So, you're saying that they're only "real women" if they're hot and nasty?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2008 2:08 AM
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Overanalyzing ads to find hidden messages about women's oppression...I had to write a paper on that for one of those required freshman courses back in 1987. It looks like you forgot to include the one where the girl is licking a popsicle.
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Posted by: sabrinamorgan on Dec 12, 2008 2:53 AM
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Frankly what's "shocking" here is that advertisers are still having so much fun throwing out new twists on porn cliches. I suppose it's easier than coming up with a genuinely interesting idea...
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Posted by: mjglow on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 AM
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I'm not saying the advertising industry doesn't use sex to sell things...and there's some good points made in the article, but looking at this from a psychological 'study of how we perceive things' view...you gotta ask yourself if there's something wrong with you if you look at an image like that and 'gang rape!' pops into your mind.
Then there's also something to be said about people seeing what they expect to see...
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Posted by: mr.president on Dec 12, 2008 4:06 AM
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I believe most of us aren't really that swayed by ads;I dont chain women up when i drink remy....this article is silly.
Imagine truth in advertising,how about Blackwater?
Or KBR? An individuals psychology determines their sexuality not advertisement.....
Raise your children well,raise them smart,in the axe body wash generation,they will see through the dirt.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 12, 2008 5:48 AM
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It's interesting though--what sorts of ads appeal to folks who place a premium on clothes. My general opinion is that such people have more money (or credit cards, more likely) than sense, but my libertarian instincts hold me down and spank me over the fact that you're entitled to buy anything you want with your money/credit.
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Posted by: Tombo on Dec 12, 2008 6:07 AM
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Posted by: taxidriver on Dec 12, 2008 6:14 AM
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Cut to "Wrangler" ads featuring Brett Favre playing a pick-up game of touch football. They know their audience too. Lads who just want a rugged pair of cheap, "manly" jeans.
I'm with the reader who says, "Don't buy the product if you don't like the ad."
In fact, maybe we should buy a product only when we truly need it ... and only when the product doesn't insult us with its advertising.
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Posted by: Tombo on Dec 12, 2008 6:17 AM
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WTFU! Stop ascribing your own sexual mores onto the rest of us please. I thought this was supposed to be a liberal/progressive site.
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Posted by: pinkfloydd on Dec 12, 2008 7:01 AM
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No where in that D& G ad do I see gang rape.
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Posted by: BobKincaid on Dec 12, 2008 7:25 AM
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This is ironic "humor." Trouble is, it's so subtle as to be difficult to see the humor. The responses make that more than obvious.
Maybe that's the funny part: the author gooning on the responders by deliberately pressing buttons.
Alex Leo, you are a party ANIMAL! That's one dirty mind you've got goin' on!
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Posted by: Juven on Dec 12, 2008 7:54 AM
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Been saying this for years-- but the real porno is the stuff coming out of the TV-- has been for years-- at the least porn is more obvious-- no titilation, straight to the point-- unlike these crappy ads that just tease.
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Posted by: newlefty on Dec 12, 2008 9:05 AM
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 AM
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You must know by now that capitalism is amoral, greedy, militaristic, exploitative, repressive, corrupt of values.
Why the surprise?
BTW, Mr. Obama is a shill for this system. Expect no change we can believe in.
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Posted by: yellow on Dec 12, 2008 9:44 AM
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Do like Sexploitation? How the fuck else do you sell shit like booze and opulent luxury items; have the shit sit quietly in the background like a Winslow Homer still life surrounded by well dressed, happy smiling people as if to say buy this shit and be happy like us. Get fuckin' real!!
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM
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Women's libbers are created by chauvinist pigs. If you don't like feminists and want to blame someone, look in the mirror, guys.
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Posted by: cyr3n on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM
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... But you'll still die alone because you cant please a woman.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM
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The real college behind that movie is Wesleyan University, the college this author graduated from.
No wonder why her opinions of the ads are off the wall and she is so politically correct.
Perhaps she should have taken some psychology classes, I don't think she has ever heard of the psychological term projection.
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Posted by: Juven on Dec 12, 2008 3:33 PM
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This is what is leads to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bVkx5Nvits
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Posted by: Pip Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 PM
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I'm a progressive, and have always fought for women's rights, but, like many men, I'm totally sick of this 1980s-style crap about sexism being a male thing, when we are surrounded by sexism against men, especially in the media, but also in many women's discourse about men. Western men are more discriminated against, are more imprisoned, are less-represented at universities, and live shorter lives than women. (The feminists tell us that because women live longer lives than men, that's why they deserve the greater proportion of public health funding that they receive over men. Give us a break! You might think we're stupid because Madison Ave says we are, but we're as smart as you.) Most men have woken up to the anti-male propaganda. Time to grow up and look at the statistics, man-haters. You're from the dinosaur age and most men are hip to your bullshite. Your day is past and you are nothing but a yawn. May AlterNet please look at the reality of males in Western cultures? I hope that is not asking too much rationality. I hope AlterNet readers will also look at the facts.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Dec 13, 2008 12:59 AM
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Posted by: lissajayne on Dec 13, 2008 6:02 AM
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-I don't buy crap like Vogue or Cosmo where they run
- I can't afford the overpriced crap they are selling.
Maybe if we use our brains and stop buying fashion mags because they are an environmental and social black hole, and stop wasting our money on $400 shoes, we could start climbing out of this materialistic nightmare that we seem to have put ourselves in. And give up the McMansions, SUVs and other unneccesary bullshit while we're at it. Then the ads will die of starvation.
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Posted by: corgyn on Dec 13, 2008 8:16 AM
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MaxPayne - takes him 2yrs of marriage to bust the cherry - that's just plain sick - this guy has lost all rights to comment on sexuality and I sentence him to hooker therapy - one a week until cured of his uptightitis.
Pip Wilson - 55-year-old Australian male and have never owned a TV, yeah sure...lying or so out of touch with real world as to make his social observations have the validity of a recently landed Martian
Alex - our little new-puritan bitch author- VILE - honey I think y'all needs a good old gang bang to loosen you up a bit - I have been involved in swinging for 30 years and I know dozens of women who actively search out multi-partner submissive sex as the only truly fulfilling experience they have. And I can not tell you how many women don't think sex is done until the cum shot and how many love the bukkake games
I was an account executive before this writer's mother reached puberty and the first time I was involved in controversy over an ad's sexual content was a NORTON motorcycles print ad in 1970!!!!!
I was producer of a fashion shoot in the New Orleans City Jail in 1978 that was called pornographic, and some of the stuff that never made the magazine certainly was. Locals even tried to have me arrested.
From 1999 to 2002 I built 30 escort and porn web sites and earned enough to semi retire. Today I and my two girlfriends provide content to some of the top "amateur" sites on the web.
Alex, you need to work on your resume before commenting on that which you are clueless
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Posted by: curiousdwk on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 AM
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Posted by: arabbit on Dec 13, 2008 10:51 AM
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Cheers,
Rabbit
Rabbit's Illusions
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Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 13, 2008 4:41 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Let's say that's absolutely true.
What roles are appropriate for men and women? It seems to me the author wants to narrow the playing field considerably.
Just as important, what are we going to do to those who deviate from our newly defined norm? Trust me, without enforcement, we're just talking through our hats.
Do we care about freedom of expression? If not, who decides what is permissible speech, and what is not? What criteria will they apply? Who can be trusted with so much power over the rest of us?
Social engineering is a dangerous game. I have never seen an example where the prospective engineers wanted to loosen up state restrictions on freedoms; always it's to tighten the noose around our necks.
Personally, I don't want to go there. I'd rather live in a free-wheeling democracy that sometimes offends me (and trust me, it sometimes does) than in a fascist state.
I think the ads are disgusting, too. But I want no part of a feminist-inspired autocracy. And I think that's the real choice the author has laid before us.
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Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on Dec 14, 2008 6:41 AM
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And while we're at it, why not show a link to your work? Maybe this author would like some proof that women can actually enjoy sex.
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Posted by: ciphoto on Dec 14, 2008 9:39 AM
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I believe your take says more about you than the ads say about general population.
You take some serious leaps in this article. There is not doubt that sex sells and that advertising uses it. But why do you think the face of the woman is of a young child, it is clearly a woman made up and and being sexy, nothing says virgin in that at, the tag lag it self speaks of experience...
As for the Remy Martin I view part of the web site and don't see any putting woman in place, I see woman with power, teasing and controlling the scene. Bondage is a tricky issue to raise as it can be degrading, but also is empowering because in sex play roles the bottom has the power and can pull plug at anytime. If you look at strictly from a non mutual real life kidnap rape scene then you don't understand the people, and realize the trust ect... that really goes into that type of sex play. Plus what in that image says there are putting on a show for some one else??? Nothing, All contact, eye, hands etc.. are to the partner.....
You see rape I see restraint, why do you go farther, why do you assume rape????
I agree a lot of high fashion, and high end products push conservative images and views.
Remember most of know that ads just like games are fantasy and we have the ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.
Just part of my 0.02
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» Rum Ads always have used Sex to sell their product.
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Posted by: ZPaul on Dec 14, 2008 4:51 PM
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We don't all have the same tastes in sex. If an adult woman (or a man)truly enjoys a sexual practice or game that somebody else considers "degrading", what can we say to that person? Let them do what they want, what is satisfying to them.
If advertising is clearly and unequivocally encouraging violence and brutality, of course, I'm against it. However, we obviously don't all have the same criteria as to what is desirable and undesirable. I don't see it as so cut-and-dried as some other people may.
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Posted by: TerryS on Dec 15, 2008 10:00 PM
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is the effect they have on women and girls.
They send the message that a women's worth
is based on how she looks (i.e. beautiful,
perfect body, and receptive).
Sure she can have brains and a career, but
she better look *hot* at the same time.
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Dec 17, 2008 5:43 PM
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Posted by: jackl2400 on Dec 20, 2008 8:02 AM
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Look, apologies to my fellow Wesleyan graduate (at least thank god I graduated in the hippy era of '71 before the school became the model for the movie "PCU") this article is just basicly warmed over first and second wave feminism who at least seemed to me as much anti-sex ("sex is rape") as anti-porn).
Can we move this discussion forward, or put it back in the rotation of Alternet issues we DON'T really need to debate because we have REAL PROBLEMS in this country now (and I'm speaking of things we think are real problems on Alternet that the mainstream media and public don't, yet, like drug prohibition and ending the ridiculous war on pot smokers.
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Posted by: ds1st on Dec 27, 2008 6:04 PM
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The individuals living these lifestyles view and promote product from their perspective. So to see advertisement with child like porn and other non-traditional behaviors being expressed in marketing material should not surprise anyone. Just like MANBA does not surprise anyone in San Francisco.
No news here…
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Posted by: Moonray on Dec 12, 2008 12:46 AM
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-- Where does AARP get off airing wall-to-wall ads on most every channel peddling life insurance? Didn't AARP use to be about helping older people? Isn't it subsidized by the federal government as a nonprofit group? These annoying ads are just one more reason most private insurance -- and most so-called nonprofit groups -- should be banned.
-- It's increasingly obvious that the TV news operations are not allowed to report on certain topics. Example: Obscene defense spending, such as that for the nearly useless F-22 fighter. Each plane costs $350 million so far, with tens of billions already spent. And this boondoggle is just one of dozens ongoing at the Pentagon, which shovels huge amounts of tax money into the pockets of a handful of corporate war profiteers. It's a huge story, but the MSM largely ignore it, preferring to yammer endlessly about politics and missing white girls. I suspect that is not a coincidence.
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 12, 2008 1:42 AM
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No reason for optimism, however. In this land of wall to wall habituation to cycles of zeal and enthusiasm and depression and fatigue (that 400-year-old moral economics at the base of our real economic relations), one can only expect the rise of new styles and forms by the new generation of Parasites. Marketing will always exploit desire by any means necessary in order to gain from a transaction. A psychic terrain is always a rich source for extractions of nourishments.
But Parasites are canny and they are patient. As the current Body they feed on retires and dies off, they are in the process of fattening up and nourishing the new Body they will feed upon.
Meantime, we Generous Hosts are giving them plenty of money and breaks in the form of bailouts and such to tide them over until they can complete the process of latching onto the new generation.
Whether vulgar or sophisticated, whether aimed at the crudest or most sublimated instincts, sex and desire will always be exploited at every step of the way.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2008 2:08 AM
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Overanalyzing ads to find hidden messages about women's oppression...I had to write a paper on that for one of those required freshman courses back in 1987. It looks like you forgot to include the one where the girl is licking a popsicle.
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Posted by: sabrinamorgan on Dec 12, 2008 2:53 AM
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Frankly what's "shocking" here is that advertisers are still having so much fun throwing out new twists on porn cliches. I suppose it's easier than coming up with a genuinely interesting idea...
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Posted by: mjglow on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 AM
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I'm not saying the advertising industry doesn't use sex to sell things...and there's some good points made in the article, but looking at this from a psychological 'study of how we perceive things' view...you gotta ask yourself if there's something wrong with you if you look at an image like that and 'gang rape!' pops into your mind.
Then there's also something to be said about people seeing what they expect to see...
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Posted by: mr.president on Dec 12, 2008 4:06 AM
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I believe most of us aren't really that swayed by ads;I dont chain women up when i drink remy....this article is silly.
Imagine truth in advertising,how about Blackwater?
Or KBR? An individuals psychology determines their sexuality not advertisement.....
Raise your children well,raise them smart,in the axe body wash generation,they will see through the dirt.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 12, 2008 5:48 AM
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It's interesting though--what sorts of ads appeal to folks who place a premium on clothes. My general opinion is that such people have more money (or credit cards, more likely) than sense, but my libertarian instincts hold me down and spank me over the fact that you're entitled to buy anything you want with your money/credit.
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Posted by: Tombo on Dec 12, 2008 6:07 AM
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Posted by: taxidriver on Dec 12, 2008 6:14 AM
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Cut to "Wrangler" ads featuring Brett Favre playing a pick-up game of touch football. They know their audience too. Lads who just want a rugged pair of cheap, "manly" jeans.
I'm with the reader who says, "Don't buy the product if you don't like the ad."
In fact, maybe we should buy a product only when we truly need it ... and only when the product doesn't insult us with its advertising.
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Posted by: Tombo on Dec 12, 2008 6:17 AM
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WTFU! Stop ascribing your own sexual mores onto the rest of us please. I thought this was supposed to be a liberal/progressive site.
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Posted by: pinkfloydd on Dec 12, 2008 7:01 AM
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No where in that D& G ad do I see gang rape.
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Posted by: BobKincaid on Dec 12, 2008 7:25 AM
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This is ironic "humor." Trouble is, it's so subtle as to be difficult to see the humor. The responses make that more than obvious.
Maybe that's the funny part: the author gooning on the responders by deliberately pressing buttons.
Alex Leo, you are a party ANIMAL! That's one dirty mind you've got goin' on!
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Posted by: Juven on Dec 12, 2008 7:54 AM
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Been saying this for years-- but the real porno is the stuff coming out of the TV-- has been for years-- at the least porn is more obvious-- no titilation, straight to the point-- unlike these crappy ads that just tease.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 AM
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You must know by now that capitalism is amoral, greedy, militaristic, exploitative, repressive, corrupt of values.
Why the surprise?
BTW, Mr. Obama is a shill for this system. Expect no change we can believe in.
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Posted by: yellow on Dec 12, 2008 9:44 AM
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Do like Sexploitation? How the fuck else do you sell shit like booze and opulent luxury items; have the shit sit quietly in the background like a Winslow Homer still life surrounded by well dressed, happy smiling people as if to say buy this shit and be happy like us. Get fuckin' real!!
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM
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Women's libbers are created by chauvinist pigs. If you don't like feminists and want to blame someone, look in the mirror, guys.
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... But you'll still die alone because you cant please a woman.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM
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The real college behind that movie is Wesleyan University, the college this author graduated from.
No wonder why her opinions of the ads are off the wall and she is so politically correct.
Perhaps she should have taken some psychology classes, I don't think she has ever heard of the psychological term projection.
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Posted by: Juven on Dec 12, 2008 3:33 PM
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This is what is leads to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bVkx5Nvits
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Posted by: Pip Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 PM
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I'm a progressive, and have always fought for women's rights, but, like many men, I'm totally sick of this 1980s-style crap about sexism being a male thing, when we are surrounded by sexism against men, especially in the media, but also in many women's discourse about men. Western men are more discriminated against, are more imprisoned, are less-represented at universities, and live shorter lives than women. (The feminists tell us that because women live longer lives than men, that's why they deserve the greater proportion of public health funding that they receive over men. Give us a break! You might think we're stupid because Madison Ave says we are, but we're as smart as you.) Most men have woken up to the anti-male propaganda. Time to grow up and look at the statistics, man-haters. You're from the dinosaur age and most men are hip to your bullshite. Your day is past and you are nothing but a yawn. May AlterNet please look at the reality of males in Western cultures? I hope that is not asking too much rationality. I hope AlterNet readers will also look at the facts.
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Posted by: lissajayne on Dec 13, 2008 6:02 AM
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-I don't buy crap like Vogue or Cosmo where they run
- I can't afford the overpriced crap they are selling.
Maybe if we use our brains and stop buying fashion mags because they are an environmental and social black hole, and stop wasting our money on $400 shoes, we could start climbing out of this materialistic nightmare that we seem to have put ourselves in. And give up the McMansions, SUVs and other unneccesary bullshit while we're at it. Then the ads will die of starvation.
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Posted by: corgyn on Dec 13, 2008 8:16 AM
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MaxPayne - takes him 2yrs of marriage to bust the cherry - that's just plain sick - this guy has lost all rights to comment on sexuality and I sentence him to hooker therapy - one a week until cured of his uptightitis.
Pip Wilson - 55-year-old Australian male and have never owned a TV, yeah sure...lying or so out of touch with real world as to make his social observations have the validity of a recently landed Martian
Alex - our little new-puritan bitch author- VILE - honey I think y'all needs a good old gang bang to loosen you up a bit - I have been involved in swinging for 30 years and I know dozens of women who actively search out multi-partner submissive sex as the only truly fulfilling experience they have. And I can not tell you how many women don't think sex is done until the cum shot and how many love the bukkake games
I was an account executive before this writer's mother reached puberty and the first time I was involved in controversy over an ad's sexual content was a NORTON motorcycles print ad in 1970!!!!!
I was producer of a fashion shoot in the New Orleans City Jail in 1978 that was called pornographic, and some of the stuff that never made the magazine certainly was. Locals even tried to have me arrested.
From 1999 to 2002 I built 30 escort and porn web sites and earned enough to semi retire. Today I and my two girlfriends provide content to some of the top "amateur" sites on the web.
Alex, you need to work on your resume before commenting on that which you are clueless
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Posted by: curiousdwk on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 AM
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Posted by: arabbit on Dec 13, 2008 10:51 AM
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Cheers,
Rabbit
Rabbit's Illusions
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Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 13, 2008 4:41 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Let's say that's absolutely true.
What roles are appropriate for men and women? It seems to me the author wants to narrow the playing field considerably.
Just as important, what are we going to do to those who deviate from our newly defined norm? Trust me, without enforcement, we're just talking through our hats.
Do we care about freedom of expression? If not, who decides what is permissible speech, and what is not? What criteria will they apply? Who can be trusted with so much power over the rest of us?
Social engineering is a dangerous game. I have never seen an example where the prospective engineers wanted to loosen up state restrictions on freedoms; always it's to tighten the noose around our necks.
Personally, I don't want to go there. I'd rather live in a free-wheeling democracy that sometimes offends me (and trust me, it sometimes does) than in a fascist state.
I think the ads are disgusting, too. But I want no part of a feminist-inspired autocracy. And I think that's the real choice the author has laid before us.
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Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on Dec 14, 2008 6:41 AM
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And while we're at it, why not show a link to your work? Maybe this author would like some proof that women can actually enjoy sex.
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Posted by: ciphoto on Dec 14, 2008 9:39 AM
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I believe your take says more about you than the ads say about general population.
You take some serious leaps in this article. There is not doubt that sex sells and that advertising uses it. But why do you think the face of the woman is of a young child, it is clearly a woman made up and and being sexy, nothing says virgin in that at, the tag lag it self speaks of experience...
As for the Remy Martin I view part of the web site and don't see any putting woman in place, I see woman with power, teasing and controlling the scene. Bondage is a tricky issue to raise as it can be degrading, but also is empowering because in sex play roles the bottom has the power and can pull plug at anytime. If you look at strictly from a non mutual real life kidnap rape scene then you don't understand the people, and realize the trust ect... that really goes into that type of sex play. Plus what in that image says there are putting on a show for some one else??? Nothing, All contact, eye, hands etc.. are to the partner.....
You see rape I see restraint, why do you go farther, why do you assume rape????
I agree a lot of high fashion, and high end products push conservative images and views.
Remember most of know that ads just like games are fantasy and we have the ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.
Just part of my 0.02
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Posted by: ZPaul on Dec 14, 2008 4:51 PM
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We don't all have the same tastes in sex. If an adult woman (or a man)truly enjoys a sexual practice or game that somebody else considers "degrading", what can we say to that person? Let them do what they want, what is satisfying to them.
If advertising is clearly and unequivocally encouraging violence and brutality, of course, I'm against it. However, we obviously don't all have the same criteria as to what is desirable and undesirable. I don't see it as so cut-and-dried as some other people may.
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Posted by: 876 on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 AM
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Posted by: TerryS on Dec 15, 2008 10:00 PM
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is the effect they have on women and girls.
They send the message that a women's worth
is based on how she looks (i.e. beautiful,
perfect body, and receptive).
Sure she can have brains and a career, but
she better look *hot* at the same time.
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» RE: A Women's Worth Depends on How She Looks
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Dec 17, 2008 5:43 PM
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Posted by: jackl2400 on Dec 20, 2008 8:02 AM
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Look, apologies to my fellow Wesleyan graduate (at least thank god I graduated in the hippy era of '71 before the school became the model for the movie "PCU") this article is just basicly warmed over first and second wave feminism who at least seemed to me as much anti-sex ("sex is rape") as anti-porn).
Can we move this discussion forward, or put it back in the rotation of Alternet issues we DON'T really need to debate because we have REAL PROBLEMS in this country now (and I'm speaking of things we think are real problems on Alternet that the mainstream media and public don't, yet, like drug prohibition and ending the ridiculous war on pot smokers.
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Posted by: wleming on Dec 21, 2008 1:12 PM
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Posted by: ds1st on Dec 27, 2008 6:04 PM
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The individuals living these lifestyles view and promote product from their perspective. So to see advertisement with child like porn and other non-traditional behaviors being expressed in marketing material should not surprise anyone. Just like MANBA does not surprise anyone in San Francisco.
No news here…
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