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Will the Daschle Debacle Force Obama to Rethink Who He Surrounds Himself with?
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How hard is it to change the ways of Washington?
It turns out it can be quite difficult if you rely on the same old Washington players.
On Tuesday, two high-profile Obama appointees withdrew as nominees, citing tax problems. Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle bowed out as President Obama's pick to head the Department of Health and Human Services. And Nancy Killefer gave up her appointment as the administration's chief performance officer (a new position).
Killefer, an executive at McKinsey & Company, a strategic management consulting firm, had committed a routine transgression: she had failed to pay unemployment taxes for household help. Daschle, though, had a more unusual problem: he had failed to pay taxes for a car and driver that had been provided to him by Leo Hindery, a financier who had retained Daschle as an adviser. But perhaps more worrisome was Daschle's post-Senate career, in which he has made millions of dollars not by lobbying but by providing strategic advice to lobbyists and by giving speeches to health care firms.
Daschle was just one of several high-profile Obama appointees who have turned public service into private wealth. George Mitchell, Obama's Mideast envoy, is a senior leader of DLA Piper, a powerful lobbying shop and law firm in Washington. Mark Patterson, chief of staff at the Treasury Department, was a lobbyist for Goldman Sachs. William Lynn, Obama's No. 2 at the Pentagon, was a lobbyist for Raytheon, a major military contractor. Both Lynn and Patterson have had to receive waivers from the Obama administration's tough ethics rules.
Why has Obama had to turn to former lobbyists and major Washington string-pullers? At Tuesday's press briefing, I asked White House press secretary Robert Gibbs if Obama was finding it tough to change Washington. Here's the exchange:
Q: On the campaign trail...the President often talked of changing the ways of Washington. Look at some appointments that have failed or had some bumps: Tom Daschle, he wasn't a lobbyist, but he made a lot of money giving strategic advice to lobbyists; George Mitchell more or less did the same thing; Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Timothy Geithner, lobbied for eight years for Goldman Sachs on a host of issues; and you have the number-two man at the Defense Department, too, having been a lobbyist. Is it more difficult than you or the President imagined to actually change the ways of Washington? Are you somewhat hindered by relying on this -- some of the same old players in Washington?
A: I think the President would say to you that he didn't believe that we were going to change the way Washington has worked the past three decades in the first two weeks of this administration. I think that's accurate to believe. I would point you to, again, a set of ethics requirements that exceed any that have come before. David, anybody that walks in and serves in this administration will -- can never walk out of it and lobby this administration.
Is changing the way Washington works going to be more than a two-week job? Yes, it is, and thankfully we've got four years to try.
Q: Well, do you think we'll have -- will there be other questions on other nominees, or are you perhaps changing your perspective on some of this as you move along?
A: Again, the President is quite confident in the staff that surrounds him and the staff throughout the executive branch.
The real question is, will the Obama administration, as it continues to staff up, now shy away from Daschle-like players? Given that the other three examples I cited in my question for Gibbs all made it to their respective desks, the answer might well be, no. And it could be that Obama and his aides believe they need such experienced hands. Certainly, there will be tougher vetting, and unpaid taxes will more likely be a disqualification for potential appointees. But having raced through Washington's revolving door and cashed in may not prevent anyone from receiving a job in the Obama administration. (See Eric Holder.) Changing that particular way of Washington may be too much change for the Obama White House.
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Posted by: ClassAct on Feb 3, 2009 4:16 PM
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What is the difference between qualifications and conflicts of interest?
This question becomes especially difficult if one makes special allowances for "hands-on practical experience," as opposed to academic credentials.
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Posted by: kcdrew on Feb 3, 2009 6:31 PM
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Emanuel, Rahm - Chief of Staff - Representative (D-Ill) since 2002 - Militant Zionist; Double-nationality: US and Israeli; Volunteer in the defense of Israel during the First Gulf War (1991 - led by former president George HW Bush against Iraq); Suspected of being an intelligence officer for the Israeli Armed Forces; Director at Freddie Mac; Adviser during the Clinton Administration; linked to Wasserstein Perella bank (Trilateral members); his father Benjamin Emanuel was a guerrilla fighter in the terrorist Irgun Zvai Leumi organization (then led by terrorist Menahem Beguin, later to become Israeli prime minister)
Gates, Robert M - Secretary of Defense - Republican - Gates was named at the DoD by former president George W Bush in 2006 to replace Donald Rumsfeld, and yet was "confirmed by Obama" - Former director of the CIA under former president George H W Bush (Senior) - Co-chaired foreign policy CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski - Involved in the Iran-Contras Affair under the Reagan-Bush Administration - CFR, Bilderberg
Geithner Timothy F - Secretary of the Treasury - President since 2003 of the Federal Reserva Bank of New York. Prominent architect of the 2008 Banking Bail-out Plans, together with Bernard Bernanke (FED Governor - CFR), Henry Paulson (former Treasury Secretary – CFR) - Also held office during the Bill Clinton Administration, and was involved in the bail-outs of Mexico, Indonesia, Korea, Brazil, Thailand in the nineties, under then Under-Secretary of the Treausury Lawrence Summers - Introduced to Obama by Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers - Former Director of Policy Development and Review Dept at the IMF – International Monetary Fund, from 2001 to 2003 - Former director at Kissinger Associates - Member of the Group of Thirty, his mentors include Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin. Member, CFR, Trilateral, Bilderberg
Jones, James LA - Four-Star US Army Officer - National Security Officer (NSA) - Former NATO Forces Commander - Special Envoy to the Middle East for Security Affairs for former president George W Bush - Director at Chevron and Boeing - Zionist - Member of the Institute for International Affairs (founded by Air Force General Brent Scowcroft, former National Security Advisor under George Bush Senior) together with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman (former CIA Director), Henry Kissinger and John Deutch (CIA director under Bill Clinton) - Member, CFR, TC, Bilderberg
Volcker Paul - Chairman of Obama's Advisory Board on Economic Recovery - Former Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank (1979 to 1987 – during the Carter and Reagan Administrations) - Zionist - Member of the "Group of Thirty" - President of Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, intimately linked to the Rockefeller family - CFR; North American Director of the Trilateral Commission; Bilderberger.
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Posted by: richholland on Feb 4, 2009 4:26 AM
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I and many europeans donot understand what is the new thing he brings in sothat the recession will be conquered.
NO all over health care for everyone but
20.000.000.000 dollars for an electronic pasport for all americans...
NO all over law for a livable minimum wage for everyone but;
140.000.000.000 for a yearly bonus of 500 or 1000 dollar for working people???
subsidies for old and disabled people
NO national plan for sustainable energy but a subsidie for companies which promise to invest in green energy.
Well I am amazed and surprised, our leaders mean that all this is to stimulate the USA MARKET inland.
Could any alternetter please tell me what are the CHANGES?? in political and economical reality???
Some politicians in Europe think it is a trick to send TAXmoney to the Corporations.
But I might be wrong..
How about ending the war on drugs
the war in Iraq and Afghanistan????
To end the strange fact that so many colored people are in jails for so long time???
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» there is no change, and yes, the $$ will go to corporations.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 4, 2009 6:44 AM
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...or, perhaps the rest of the country that has been screaming about how ridiculously complex the tax code is...well...perhaps they really do have a point, when folks who--themselves--built the tax code are incapable of tossing the chicken bones out in such a way that they pay their obligations.
It also refreshes the popular progressive argument that folks who make so much money that they overlook a hundred thousand or so dollars in taxes aren't really all that well equipped to represent us. Seeing that Congress' approval rating hovers around 15%, I think we're aware of the problem. The problem is we keep sending (mostly) the same scoundrels to D.C., expecting things to be different.
That's one definition of insanity, so I'm told.
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Posted by: sausage on Feb 4, 2009 7:26 AM
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Howard Dean is a better choice for head of Health and Human Services.
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When you are finished reading all of the great articles and comments on AlterNet, have a gander at what I had to write this morning on this very subject. Here's a link:
Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes (?)
Cheers!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: welshTerrier2 on Feb 4, 2009 8:41 AM
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The key question for any health-care reform plan is, “How will it cover people?” Most of the world’s highest-ranking health-care systems employ some kind of “single-payer” strategy - that is, the government, directly or through insurers, is responsible for paying doctors, hospitals, and other health-care providers. Supporters say single-payer is brilliantly simple, ensures equity by providing all people with the same benefits, and saves billions of dollars by creating economies of scale and streamlining administration. But pure single-payer system is politically problematic in the United States, at least right now. Even though polls show that seniors are happier with Medicare than younger people are with their private insurance, opponents of reform have demonized government-run systems as “socialized medicine.”
Yes, he was a very well connected lobbyist with extensive ties to the health care industry. Yes, he had huge tax problems. Yes, we're all sick of the insider dealing in our government and all the corruption that goes with it.
Also, I'll never forgive Daschle, who, as the majority leader of the Senate, i.e. with Democrats in the majority, introduced the Iraq War Resolution that gave Bush the authorization he needed to invade Iraq.
Still, is it not possible that Daschle's experience in Washington and his support for single-payer could have been just the player we needed in the position? Is it not possible, warts and all, that he might have been one of the few people with the knowledge, experience and connections to bring about meaningful change on health care?
We'll never know what Daschle might have accomplished. Perhaps, just perhaps, we may have just lost a real opportunity for progress.
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You've GOT to be kidding.
Go ahead, kill the post. Truth will come out in the MIDDLE of his term ANYWAY, when it will do the most damage to destroy him AND the DNC politically for the foreseeable future.
We've been down this road before with a certain Ms. Lewinsky, and how did that work out for ya?
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If a man is smart enough to run the treasury, he is smart enough to what is taxable and what isn't and when it is due.
this is bullshit. Please Pres. Don't blow it in your first hundred days!!
i don't care if Daischle is the reincarnation of Jesus, he doesn't deserve to run the treasury or anything else.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Feb 4, 2009 11:30 AM
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So far, the same corporate interests that backed Bush have successfully advanced their agenda in the Obama Administration, and they've done that by putting a populist left-wing spin on their agenda, instead of a conservative right-wing spin (as was the case during Bush). Big Pharma and Big Finance and Big Media don't care so much about left-wing or right-wing issues; they just want to stay in the driver's seat and continue to control the public discussion and the government's decisions.
The pharmaceutical industry is notoriously deceptive and dishonest - and that explains a lot of the sudden outpouring of wrath towards Daschle by the "liberal left bloggers" - or the paid employees of PR firms (Burson-Marstellar, Edelman, etc.) employed by Pfizer, GlaxosmithKline, Altria Group and the like. It also explains why none of the attack pieces on Daschle bothered to mention his agenda:
1) A public heath insurance system (like Social Security, a public pension plan system) to compete with private insurance.
2) Low-cost generic versions of expensive patented drugs and investigations into generic price-fixing by the big firms.
3) Medicare reform aimed at paying doctors, not drug firms, and also aimed at preventative health care and public education.
4) An end to the politicization of the National Labs and an investigation into the Project Bioshield program and other "bioterrorism initiatives."
In order to move this kind of gigantic reform package through Congress, in the face of deep-pocketed resistance from pharmaceutical and health care loobbyists and shareholders, someone with inside knowledge of Congress - like Daschle - is needed.
In order to derail the nomination, the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee did a fine-tooth comb job on Daschle's taxes - and they dug up some arcane tax provision that Daschle neglected. Charles Grassley (the leading Republican on the Finance Committee) and Utah's Orrin Hatch both list pharmaceutical and health care as their top donors (Hatch has taken over $1.2 million from drug makers alone).
Basically, the story is this:
"Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama’s plan to have new government health insurance compete with private coverage drew Republican fire at a nomination hearing for Thomas A. Daschle to run the Health and Human Services Department."
The only screw-up here is that Daschle's taxes were not vetted appropriately before he was nominated - if they had been, he could have cleared it up six months ago, and it wouldn't be an issue today.
What we really have here is a collaboration between Republicans, pharma-insurance cartels and corporate media, which successfully derailed Daschle. Notice that the key editorial was in the New York Times, the one that called for him to step down? It must be irrelevant that Raul Cesan, NYT corporate director, is an ex-CEO of Schering-Plough, or that William Keenard, another NYT corporate director, is also a director of the Carlyle Group, who is now heavily into pharmaceuticals, media, etc...
Big Pharma wins! Merck and Schering-Plough have all reported great returns... kind of low tax rates, though - and that's because they offshore their patents and profits in the Caribbean Islands... clever.
Economically speaking, the closet cannabis cultivator who puts their money in a local credit union or spends it in local establishments is a better model citizen than the pharma CEO... so quit the Paxil and Prozac and start smoking dope, is my advice.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 4, 2009 12:04 PM
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Does Obama think thats not paying taxes, or pardoning terrorists or criminals is a requirement for office?
Based on this disaster, I think the IRS should audit EVERY poltician who holds a national office. I suspect we might be able to put a big dent in the economic downturn!
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Posted by: gellero1 on Feb 4, 2009 4:34 PM
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I really hate when posters refer to the man as 'Obama'.
But really? Who did you expect him to choose for posts?
The President was a lawyer with no real experience, and a consummate politician in Chicago..
How could he pick anyone for posts besides insiders? What does he know? Who else could run things? And the Treasury? Who else but a banker.
It's just a shift in power structure, not a revolution,or evolution.
Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.
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Former Iranian President Blames Tehran for Lockerbie, claiming it was destroyed in revenge for downing of an Iranian civilian airliner in 1988, says Abolhassan Bani-Sadr the former president of the Islamic Republic of Iran. On July 3, 1988, the navy cruiser USS Vincennes, also known as "Robocruiser," shot down Iran Air Flight 665 over the Persian Gulf. The civilian airliner was carrying mostly Muslims on their pilgrimage to Mecca -- 290 died, most Iranians. His story indicating Mohtashami-Pur, the then minister of the interior, acknowledged in an interview that he had contracted Ahmad Jibril, the leader of a Palestinian organization, to bomb an American airliner. The PFLP-GC (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command), Ahmed Jibril's terror group. US intelligence knew about Iran's intention to bomb an American airliner. Israel in fact opposed that definition, but acknowledged after the arrest of 2 Libyan's that the bombimn was conducted by Jibril's organization. The connection to Libya was a Swiss Company named MeBo, which stands for Meister and Bollier that was selling 20 MST-13 timers to the Libyan military (machine-made nine-ply green boards), as well as a few units (hand-made eight-ply brown boards) to a Research Institute in Bernau, known to act as a front to the Stasi, the former East German secret police. A employee of the Swiss company named Ulrich Lumpert actually admitted in a document of July 18, 2007 that he had stole the third machine-manufactured PC-Board consisting of 8 layers of fibre-glass from MEBO Ltd. which at the trial was to represent the real Timer board but it was a fake non-functioning model of the real Timer Boards which were sold to the country of Libya. The last of the compensation $1.5 billion was received Oct 31, 2008 from Tripoli.
President & Mrs. Bush lead a big campaign to help African's, prevent malaria (remember Malaria Awareness Day, 2007 & the bilateral investment treaty with Rwanda President Paul Kagame, Tuesday, Feb. 19, 2008 in Kilgali, Rwanda). The future is no longer primarily about the US-Libya relations, it now concerns all of Africa as if it had too consider dealing with state matters.
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There will be no end to this, the world will be affected, Obama has a tuff challenge ahead to deal with it and so does everyone he must have to advise him and their situation becomes first priority. I also believe that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi will tone down instead of taking the angry approach to running Africa as he has shown in his last days in Libya.
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What is the difference between qualifications and conflicts of interest?
This question becomes especially difficult if one makes special allowances for "hands-on practical experience," as opposed to academic credentials.
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Here's hoping.
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Emanuel, Rahm - Chief of Staff - Representative (D-Ill) since 2002 - Militant Zionist; Double-nationality: US and Israeli; Volunteer in the defense of Israel during the First Gulf War (1991 - led by former president George HW Bush against Iraq); Suspected of being an intelligence officer for the Israeli Armed Forces; Director at Freddie Mac; Adviser during the Clinton Administration; linked to Wasserstein Perella bank (Trilateral members); his father Benjamin Emanuel was a guerrilla fighter in the terrorist Irgun Zvai Leumi organization (then led by terrorist Menahem Beguin, later to become Israeli prime minister)
Gates, Robert M - Secretary of Defense - Republican - Gates was named at the DoD by former president George W Bush in 2006 to replace Donald Rumsfeld, and yet was "confirmed by Obama" - Former director of the CIA under former president George H W Bush (Senior) - Co-chaired foreign policy CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski - Involved in the Iran-Contras Affair under the Reagan-Bush Administration - CFR, Bilderberg
Geithner Timothy F - Secretary of the Treasury - President since 2003 of the Federal Reserva Bank of New York. Prominent architect of the 2008 Banking Bail-out Plans, together with Bernard Bernanke (FED Governor - CFR), Henry Paulson (former Treasury Secretary – CFR) - Also held office during the Bill Clinton Administration, and was involved in the bail-outs of Mexico, Indonesia, Korea, Brazil, Thailand in the nineties, under then Under-Secretary of the Treausury Lawrence Summers - Introduced to Obama by Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers - Former Director of Policy Development and Review Dept at the IMF – International Monetary Fund, from 2001 to 2003 - Former director at Kissinger Associates - Member of the Group of Thirty, his mentors include Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin. Member, CFR, Trilateral, Bilderberg
Jones, James LA - Four-Star US Army Officer - National Security Officer (NSA) - Former NATO Forces Commander - Special Envoy to the Middle East for Security Affairs for former president George W Bush - Director at Chevron and Boeing - Zionist - Member of the Institute for International Affairs (founded by Air Force General Brent Scowcroft, former National Security Advisor under George Bush Senior) together with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman (former CIA Director), Henry Kissinger and John Deutch (CIA director under Bill Clinton) - Member, CFR, TC, Bilderberg
Volcker Paul - Chairman of Obama's Advisory Board on Economic Recovery - Former Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank (1979 to 1987 – during the Carter and Reagan Administrations) - Zionist - Member of the "Group of Thirty" - President of Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, intimately linked to the Rockefeller family - CFR; North American Director of the Trilateral Commission; Bilderberger.
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Posted by: richholland on Feb 4, 2009 4:26 AM
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I and many europeans donot understand what is the new thing he brings in sothat the recession will be conquered.
NO all over health care for everyone but
20.000.000.000 dollars for an electronic pasport for all americans...
NO all over law for a livable minimum wage for everyone but;
140.000.000.000 for a yearly bonus of 500 or 1000 dollar for working people???
subsidies for old and disabled people
NO national plan for sustainable energy but a subsidie for companies which promise to invest in green energy.
Well I am amazed and surprised, our leaders mean that all this is to stimulate the USA MARKET inland.
Could any alternetter please tell me what are the CHANGES?? in political and economical reality???
Some politicians in Europe think it is a trick to send TAXmoney to the Corporations.
But I might be wrong..
How about ending the war on drugs
the war in Iraq and Afghanistan????
To end the strange fact that so many colored people are in jails for so long time???
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» there is no change, and yes, the $$ will go to corporations.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 4, 2009 6:44 AM
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...or, perhaps the rest of the country that has been screaming about how ridiculously complex the tax code is...well...perhaps they really do have a point, when folks who--themselves--built the tax code are incapable of tossing the chicken bones out in such a way that they pay their obligations.
It also refreshes the popular progressive argument that folks who make so much money that they overlook a hundred thousand or so dollars in taxes aren't really all that well equipped to represent us. Seeing that Congress' approval rating hovers around 15%, I think we're aware of the problem. The problem is we keep sending (mostly) the same scoundrels to D.C., expecting things to be different.
That's one definition of insanity, so I'm told.
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Posted by: sausage on Feb 4, 2009 7:26 AM
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Howard Dean is a better choice for head of Health and Human Services.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Feb 4, 2009 7:26 AM
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When you are finished reading all of the great articles and comments on AlterNet, have a gander at what I had to write this morning on this very subject. Here's a link:
Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes (?)
Cheers!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: welshTerrier2 on Feb 4, 2009 8:41 AM
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The key question for any health-care reform plan is, “How will it cover people?” Most of the world’s highest-ranking health-care systems employ some kind of “single-payer” strategy - that is, the government, directly or through insurers, is responsible for paying doctors, hospitals, and other health-care providers. Supporters say single-payer is brilliantly simple, ensures equity by providing all people with the same benefits, and saves billions of dollars by creating economies of scale and streamlining administration. But pure single-payer system is politically problematic in the United States, at least right now. Even though polls show that seniors are happier with Medicare than younger people are with their private insurance, opponents of reform have demonized government-run systems as “socialized medicine.”
Yes, he was a very well connected lobbyist with extensive ties to the health care industry. Yes, he had huge tax problems. Yes, we're all sick of the insider dealing in our government and all the corruption that goes with it.
Also, I'll never forgive Daschle, who, as the majority leader of the Senate, i.e. with Democrats in the majority, introduced the Iraq War Resolution that gave Bush the authorization he needed to invade Iraq.
Still, is it not possible that Daschle's experience in Washington and his support for single-payer could have been just the player we needed in the position? Is it not possible, warts and all, that he might have been one of the few people with the knowledge, experience and connections to bring about meaningful change on health care?
We'll never know what Daschle might have accomplished. Perhaps, just perhaps, we may have just lost a real opportunity for progress.
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You've GOT to be kidding.
Go ahead, kill the post. Truth will come out in the MIDDLE of his term ANYWAY, when it will do the most damage to destroy him AND the DNC politically for the foreseeable future.
We've been down this road before with a certain Ms. Lewinsky, and how did that work out for ya?
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Posted by: jrmart on Feb 4, 2009 11:13 AM
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If a man is smart enough to run the treasury, he is smart enough to what is taxable and what isn't and when it is due.
this is bullshit. Please Pres. Don't blow it in your first hundred days!!
i don't care if Daischle is the reincarnation of Jesus, he doesn't deserve to run the treasury or anything else.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Feb 4, 2009 11:30 AM
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So far, the same corporate interests that backed Bush have successfully advanced their agenda in the Obama Administration, and they've done that by putting a populist left-wing spin on their agenda, instead of a conservative right-wing spin (as was the case during Bush). Big Pharma and Big Finance and Big Media don't care so much about left-wing or right-wing issues; they just want to stay in the driver's seat and continue to control the public discussion and the government's decisions.
The pharmaceutical industry is notoriously deceptive and dishonest - and that explains a lot of the sudden outpouring of wrath towards Daschle by the "liberal left bloggers" - or the paid employees of PR firms (Burson-Marstellar, Edelman, etc.) employed by Pfizer, GlaxosmithKline, Altria Group and the like. It also explains why none of the attack pieces on Daschle bothered to mention his agenda:
1) A public heath insurance system (like Social Security, a public pension plan system) to compete with private insurance.
2) Low-cost generic versions of expensive patented drugs and investigations into generic price-fixing by the big firms.
3) Medicare reform aimed at paying doctors, not drug firms, and also aimed at preventative health care and public education.
4) An end to the politicization of the National Labs and an investigation into the Project Bioshield program and other "bioterrorism initiatives."
In order to move this kind of gigantic reform package through Congress, in the face of deep-pocketed resistance from pharmaceutical and health care loobbyists and shareholders, someone with inside knowledge of Congress - like Daschle - is needed.
In order to derail the nomination, the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee did a fine-tooth comb job on Daschle's taxes - and they dug up some arcane tax provision that Daschle neglected. Charles Grassley (the leading Republican on the Finance Committee) and Utah's Orrin Hatch both list pharmaceutical and health care as their top donors (Hatch has taken over $1.2 million from drug makers alone).
Basically, the story is this:
"Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama’s plan to have new government health insurance compete with private coverage drew Republican fire at a nomination hearing for Thomas A. Daschle to run the Health and Human Services Department."
The only screw-up here is that Daschle's taxes were not vetted appropriately before he was nominated - if they had been, he could have cleared it up six months ago, and it wouldn't be an issue today.
What we really have here is a collaboration between Republicans, pharma-insurance cartels and corporate media, which successfully derailed Daschle. Notice that the key editorial was in the New York Times, the one that called for him to step down? It must be irrelevant that Raul Cesan, NYT corporate director, is an ex-CEO of Schering-Plough, or that William Keenard, another NYT corporate director, is also a director of the Carlyle Group, who is now heavily into pharmaceuticals, media, etc...
Big Pharma wins! Merck and Schering-Plough have all reported great returns... kind of low tax rates, though - and that's because they offshore their patents and profits in the Caribbean Islands... clever.
Economically speaking, the closet cannabis cultivator who puts their money in a local credit union or spends it in local establishments is a better model citizen than the pharma CEO... so quit the Paxil and Prozac and start smoking dope, is my advice.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Feb 5, 2009 10:28 AM
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 4, 2009 12:04 PM
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Does Obama think thats not paying taxes, or pardoning terrorists or criminals is a requirement for office?
Based on this disaster, I think the IRS should audit EVERY poltician who holds a national office. I suspect we might be able to put a big dent in the economic downturn!
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Posted by: gellero1 on Feb 4, 2009 4:34 PM
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I really hate when posters refer to the man as 'Obama'.
But really? Who did you expect him to choose for posts?
The President was a lawyer with no real experience, and a consummate politician in Chicago..
How could he pick anyone for posts besides insiders? What does he know? Who else could run things? And the Treasury? Who else but a banker.
It's just a shift in power structure, not a revolution,or evolution.
Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.
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Former Iranian President Blames Tehran for Lockerbie, claiming it was destroyed in revenge for downing of an Iranian civilian airliner in 1988, says Abolhassan Bani-Sadr the former president of the Islamic Republic of Iran. On July 3, 1988, the navy cruiser USS Vincennes, also known as "Robocruiser," shot down Iran Air Flight 665 over the Persian Gulf. The civilian airliner was carrying mostly Muslims on their pilgrimage to Mecca -- 290 died, most Iranians. His story indicating Mohtashami-Pur, the then minister of the interior, acknowledged in an interview that he had contracted Ahmad Jibril, the leader of a Palestinian organization, to bomb an American airliner. The PFLP-GC (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command), Ahmed Jibril's terror group. US intelligence knew about Iran's intention to bomb an American airliner. Israel in fact opposed that definition, but acknowledged after the arrest of 2 Libyan's that the bombimn was conducted by Jibril's organization. The connection to Libya was a Swiss Company named MeBo, which stands for Meister and Bollier that was selling 20 MST-13 timers to the Libyan military (machine-made nine-ply green boards), as well as a few units (hand-made eight-ply brown boards) to a Research Institute in Bernau, known to act as a front to the Stasi, the former East German secret police. A employee of the Swiss company named Ulrich Lumpert actually admitted in a document of July 18, 2007 that he had stole the third machine-manufactured PC-Board consisting of 8 layers of fibre-glass from MEBO Ltd. which at the trial was to represent the real Timer board but it was a fake non-functioning model of the real Timer Boards which were sold to the country of Libya. The last of the compensation $1.5 billion was received Oct 31, 2008 from Tripoli.
President & Mrs. Bush lead a big campaign to help African's, prevent malaria (remember Malaria Awareness Day, 2007 & the bilateral investment treaty with Rwanda President Paul Kagame, Tuesday, Feb. 19, 2008 in Kilgali, Rwanda). The future is no longer primarily about the US-Libya relations, it now concerns all of Africa as if it had too consider dealing with state matters.
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There will be no end to this, the world will be affected, Obama has a tuff challenge ahead to deal with it and so does everyone he must have to advise him and their situation becomes first priority. I also believe that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi will tone down instead of taking the angry approach to running Africa as he has shown in his last days in Libya.
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