U.S. President Donald Trump gestures during the White House Faith Office Luncheon at the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., July 14, 2025. REUTERS Nathan Howard
President Donald Trump spoke with Stephen A. Smith, who managed to pull comments from the GOP leader that triggered his narcissism, one therapist said.
Smith welcomed Trump on his YouTube show, which aired Thursday, and therapist Elliott Connie zeroed in on a key piece of Trump's grandiosity on full display.
At one point, Smith asked Trump about former President Barack Obama, a constant focus for Trump for almost 20 years. Trump was asked whether he could win against Obama. Trump said he would because he's so much better.
"I got many more votes than he got and I got many more votes uh in the states and I have all the state, you know, most of the state records of the big states. If you take a look at uh Texas, I have the all-time record. Florida, I have the all-time record," Trump said about the two red states.
Smith asked if that meant Trump thought he could beat Obama and Trump said he could do it "easily."
"I think he's highly overrated," said Trump.
"Oh, my lord. How is — how is Barack Obama overrated?" a shocked Smith asked.
Trump said he wasn't a good president and was a "divider." That prompted Smith to ask what Trump thought he was and he said he brings people together through "success."
As a 20-year practicing psychotherapist, Connie, who offers short, easy-to-understand analyses of the brain and how people think, did an analysis of Trump's response, noting that it was a clear indication of Trump's narcissistic personality disorder.
"One of the most common characteristics of narcissistic personality disorderpersonality disorder is something that we refer to as grandiosity or grandiose thinking," said Connie. "And that's when you see yourself as far more superior than everyone else even in the face of contrarian information. So, in this clip you see Donald Trump saying that he believes he would beat Barack Obama" because he has high numbers in red states.”
"And he's also saying that — I'm a better candidate. Barack Obama was divisive and I bring people together. He is ignoring that he has the ... lowest numbers, the most historically low numbers of any president's approval rating. And Barack Obama is quite popular. But Donald Trump doesn't care about that," Connie continued.
Trump believes that he's a better person that he simply can't see himself losing, which is why he struggles so much when he loses elections.
"When you struggle with narcissistic personality disorder, and you're in a competition, there's only two outcomes that could be possible. Either I won or they cheated. And that is very much how Donald Trump thinks," Connie explained. "So, when you see him giving an answer like that, that should give you an indicator. Oh, that's grandiose thinking. And he just thinks he's better than everyone else and he thinks he's more superior than everyone else, which cannot be true. ... When asked that question, the only thing he can see is I must be able to win because I'm just better than everyone else. And that would include Barack Obama."