'So what?' Ex-aide says Trump was indifferent to danger Mike Pence faced on Jan. 6

08 January 2024

In his election interference case against Donald Trump, special counsel Jack Smith is trying to show how the former president responded when the U.S. Capitol Building was under attack on January 6, 2021. Smith, according to ABC News, has uncovered new details about that response — details that ABC News' Jonathan Karl discussed during a Monday, January 8 appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

Karl told conservative host Joe Scarborough, "Joe, these are really the defining hours of the Trump presidency: what Trump was doing in the White House while the attack was underway. We've heard from Liz Cheney; we've heard from others. But now, what the special counsel has done is they've methodically gone through and spoken to everybody who was with Trump during that time — people that refused to talk to the January 6 Committee, like Dan Scavino, perhaps Trump's closest aide in the White House."

Karl went on to tell Scarborough, "What we learned is Dan Scavino quite vividly describing — he was with Trump almost throughout the entire time — describing how he went in to that dining room off the Oval Office to try to plead with Trump to do something to call off the rioters…. What Dan Scavino describes is Trump sitting there, arms folded, intently staring at the television, being what he says was non-responsive to these pleas to do something."

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Trump, according to Karl, "didn't want to call in the National Guard" or "tell people to go home" because "he believed that they were carrying out his wishes."

Karl also noted that former Trump aide Nick Luna told federal investigators that when Trump was told that then-Vice President Mike Pence had to be evacuated from the Senate chamber and taken to a secure location for his safety, Trump's response was, "So what?"

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