On my SiriusXM program, I’ve taken note that in recent weeks no MAGA people are calling in to defend Trump. Most of my callers are progressive, but a few times a week I’d hear from Trump supporters defending Trump.

We certainly have received calls from some Trump voters who are sorry for their vote. But why aren’t MAGA calling up to defend him?

Rob from New Hampshire called to tell me the reason: “We’re embarrassed.”

He’s a Trump voter who’s called in before defending Trump. But now he’s thrown in the towel. You can listen to the audio here.

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“It’s as simple as that,” Rob said, pointing to how he feels when he opens up his 401K account. “You’re not getting the calls because, ‘What are they going to say?’”

As with other callers who changed their mind on Trump, I of course had a lot of questions, beginning with: Trump said he was going to do all of this, so did you not believe him?

Rob’s answer, like those of the others like who’ve changed their minds on Trump, won’t satisfy you. But as I’ve said before, I don’t push these people too hard because I’d rather they agree to vote for Democrats to halt Trump—which Rob did—rather thank push them away. We can always argue later.

“I think he needs to be stopped,” Rob said, vowing to vote for Democrats for Congress.

Then he even said he’s looking at Bernie Sanders and AOC as a presidential ticket, seeing them touring red states and getting huge crowds. I know—the mind boggles.

You’ll have to listen to this one for yourself. Listen in and let me know your thoughts!

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