Rudy Giuliani Tells 'Fox & Friends' That Cohen Paid Stormy Daniels Without Telling Trump to 'Help the Family'

From the May 3 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): You said about Michael Cohen and the private money -- Stormy Daniels got paid $130,000. Michael Cohen said, "Hey, I took this out -- I took a loan out to pay it." The president said I didn't know anything about it. You came out last night and said I looked at the receipts. This was done through private. Nothing to do with campaign funds. It was done through a retainer --


KILMEADE: Right, it's been done through a retainer fee, and eventually he got paid back. And he just found out about it, just now and you going through this. 


GIULIANI: I don't think there's any contradiction [in President Donald Trump's tweets], that's what I said last night. People were indeed surprised, which is why I think this is a tweet that's very valuable. The president indicates he understood it. He didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it which was a couple weeks ago. Maybe not even a couple weeks, maybe 10 days ago. Remember, remember when this came up, October 2016. I was with him day in and day out then. I can't remember the details of what happened. And -- I know $135,000. I don't want to demean anyone. $135,000, it sounds like a lot of money. It's not when you're putting a hundred million dollars into your campaign. It isn't pocket change but it's pretty close to it at the end. 

AINSLEY EARHARDT (CO-HOST): Last night when you were on with Sean [Hannity], we were all watching the interview. And I feel sorry for Melania [Trump] in all of this. It's humiliating, it's embarrassing. I don't know if we'll ever really know what happened there. If it's any of our business to be honest with you, maybe it is since he's the president. But, something that did stand out to me. I remember when Michael Cohen was interviewed about it. And he -- it seemed like he was saying that he was never reimbursed that $130,000. And now it sounds like the story is changing. 

GIULIANI: He was definitely reimbursed. There's no doubt about it. 

EARHARDT: So why did he say he wasn't? 

GIULIANI: Maybe, maybe -- first of all, if we had to defend this as not being a campaign contribution, I think we could do that. This was for personal reasons. This was the president had been hurt personally, not politically, personally so much, and the first lady, by some of the false allegations that one more false allegation, six years old, I think he was trying to help the family. For that the man is being treated like some kind of a villain. And I think he was just being a good lawyer, and a good man. 

STEVE DOOCY (CO-HOST): So, there were no campaign violations because it was out of Donald Trump's pocket. 

GIULIANI: That makes nice and clear. But it wasn't for the campaign. It was to save their marriage -- not their marriage so much as their reputation.


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