Nina Turner: The Oligarchy Must Be Challenged by Everyday People
Senator Sanders has called on his supporters, his movement, really for two big things. One is a fight at the party convention. Two, wage the fight downticket. Congress, state legislatures and so on. LetÂ’s start with the fight in the convention. The Democratic Party is really a united front, if you will, of different class forces, right. From hedge fund operators to Silicon Valley billionaires and Hollywood billionaires and such.
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JAY: Corporatists. Trade unions, or millions of ordinary people. ItÂ’s not just a difference of opinion what should happen next, itÂ’s a difference of interest. So this fight at the convention is going to be a serious war. And its logical conclusion over the next few years, where does all this lead and how much effort should be put into this transforming of the Democratic Party?
TURNER: Well, I hope itÂ’s going to lead to a better America. The Democratic Party is certainly worth fighting for. ItÂ’s supposed to be the party of the people. And so the issues that Senator Sanders raised all along his campaign trail are really in the mainstream. Universal healthcare, increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour. We see in places like California and Washington and even DC, all over the country, for example. Just using that as an example, people are fighting on the local and state levels to increase the minimum wage, universal healthcare. Very important. Seniors care, about making sure that we expand and protect their Social Security. So we must continue to push the party to be all that it can be. And you know, tension is not a bad thing. Tension breeds change, and thatÂ’s the only way that weÂ’re going to get it. So I salute the people who are really holding the Democratic PartyÂ’s feet to the fire, and care enough about the Democratic Party and this country to wage that fight. Because if they didnÂ’t care, they wouldnÂ’t be fighting for something better.
JAY: The tension is profound, though. ItÂ’s not--as I said, itÂ’s not just a difference of opinion on what to do next, itÂ’s a difference of interest. WhatÂ’s good for the hedge fund people ainÂ’t good for the ordinary people.
TURNER: Excessive greed will do nothing to increase--you know, that doesnÂ’t help this country. 70 percent of our economy is a consumer-based economy, so we canÂ’t have people who donÂ’t have disposable income. This is a fight worth waging. See, some things are worth fighting for. So fighting for $15 an hour as the federal minimum wage is worth fighting for. Universal healthcare is worth fighting for. Talking about the working poor and the middle class in this country is worth fighting for, because we save those groups of people, as we empower those groups of people, we really save ourselves. Wealthy folks canÂ’t be wealthy if everyday people like you and I do not have disposable income. So this is, this is well worth it. And hopefully--and there are some reasonable wealthy people who do understand that we cannot continue with excessive greed and wealth, that we cannot allow our republic to become an oligarchy or a plutocracy. And that is exactly what itÂ’s going to turn into unless everyday people raise their voices. So this is worth fighting for. And it might not be pretty. It might be messy, you know, to quote a famous senator. But it is worth it. ThatÂ’s how our nation was founded. It wasnÂ’t pretty. It was messy. But we are the United States of America because of it. And we are at a critical juncture. We are at a crossroads in our nationÂ’s history about how weÂ’re going to move forward. Are we going to continue to leave the 99 behind, or will the 99 rise up and say, we the people demand access back into our government? And itÂ’s not going to be violent or anything like that, but people are going to raise their voices. ItÂ’s not going to be politics of decency. ItÂ’s going to be politics of the real deal. And people who are in elected ministry are going to have to come face to face with the people who have put them in office and determine whose side theyÂ’re on, and thatÂ’s a beautiful thing.
JAY: All right, thanks very much.
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