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Less Than Half the World Believes al Qaeda Was Behind 9/11 Attacks

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted September 11, 2008.


A poll of 16,000 people in 17 countries reveals the damage done to the credibility of the United States by the Bush administration.
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An international poll released this week by the Project on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) found that outside the United States, many are skeptical that al Qaeda was really responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

Sixteen thousand people in 17 countries -- allies and adversaries in Asia, Europe, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East -- were asked the open-ended question: "Who do you think was behind the 9/11 attacks?"

On average, fewer than half of all respondents said al Qaeda (although there was significant variation between countries and regions). Fifteen percent said the United States government itself was responsible for the attacks, 7 percent cited Israel, and fully 1 in 4 said they just didn't know.

Among our closest allies, very slim majorities believe al Qaeda was the culprit. According to the study, "Fifty-six percent of Britons and Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans cite al Qaeda. However, significant portions of Britons (26%), French (23%), and Italians (21%) say they do not know who was behind 9/11. Remarkably, 23 percent of Germans cite the U.S. government, as do 15 percent of Italians."

Whatever one thinks of "alternative" theories of who the perpetrators were that day, the results are an eye-opening indication of how profoundly the world's confidence in the United States government has eroded during the Bush era. The researchers found little difference among respondents according to levels of education, or to the amount of exposure to the news media they had. Rather, they found a clear correlation with people's attitudes toward the United States in general. "Those with a positive view of America's influence in the world are more likely to cite al Qaeda (on average 59%) than those with a negative view (40%)," wrote the authors. "Those with a positive view of the United States are also less likely to blame the U.S. government (7%) than those with a negative view (22%)."

Interestingly, Americans are also dubious, with more than a third of those polled by Scripps Howard News Service in 2006 saying it was "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that "federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them" because they "wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East." The poll didn't, however, distinguish between those who believed the government actively participated in the events of that day or merely had foreknowledge that the attacks were imminent. (Another poll that year, by CBS News and the New York Times, found that fewer than 1 in 5 Americans believed the government was being fully forthcoming about the attacks.)

In one sense, these findings should come as no surprise. America, like other countries, has been known to conduct "false-flag" operations before. And it has used falsehoods to justify going to war. In the now-infamous "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" -- the incident that would be used to justify America's involvement in that conflict -- a minor skirmish occurred between U.S. naval ships and two North Vietnamese coastal vessels. Two days later, the Johnson administration reported that there had been a second attack, which it claimed was evidence of "communist aggression" on the part of the North Vietnamese. But, as a National Security Agency report revealed in 2005 (PDF), the second incident -- the one that created a "pattern" of aggression -- was invented out of whole cloth. "It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night," reads the report.

In 1990, on the eve of the first Gulf War, Pentagon officials cited top-secret satellite images and said definitively that Saddam Hussein had amassed a huge army -- with 250,000 men and 1,500 tanks -- along the Saudi border in preparation for an invasion of that country. Jean Heller, a reporter with the St. Petersburg Times, purchased some Russian satellite images of the same piece of desert and found that in fact there was nothing there but sand. After the U.S.-led attack, a "senior (U.S. military) commander" told New York Newsday, "There was a great disinformation campaign surrounding this war."

Those incidents are in no way analogous to the attacks of 9/11. But in 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that the CIA might launch a series of terror attacks within the United States, blame Cuba, and use the ensuing panic to justify military action against the defiant island-nation. (The plan, called "Operation Northwoods," which became public in 1997, was reportedly killed off by John F. Kennedy himself -- it got that far up the food chain.)

Yet, whatever the historical context, there can be little doubt that the Bush administration's penchant for secrecy and well-documented dishonesty fuels the debate over who perpetrated the attacks of 9/11. Earlier this year, an independent study conducted by the Center for Public Integrity documented 935 lies mouthed by senior administration officials to gin up support for the invasion of Iraq (one of which was Donald Rumsfeld repeating the long-disproved claim that Saddam had amassed a huge army on the Saudi border in 1990).

Just the fact that the administration blamed a group in Afghanistan for the attacks and then invaded a different country -- with some of the world's richest oil reserves -- would have been enough to create suspicion around the world. And no satisfactory explanation has ever been given for why the Bush administration didn't step up airline security in the face of repeated warnings -- some quite specific in terms of time and place -- from foreign governments and their intelligence agencies, warnings from allies like Israel's Mossad to "enemies" like the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The credibility gap that has developed around the world's pre-eminent power is more than a matter of academic interest. Around the world, many of those who embraced us immediately after 9/11 and offered almost unconditional support for our policies now don't believe a word coming out of our officials' mouths, and that affects U.S. foreign policy, and the stability of the whole international system, in ways both obvious and subtle.

A good, obvious example is Pakistan, where most Americans believe we're allied with the government and a majority of the Pakistani people against a small group of Al Qaeda extremists who are undermining the U.S.-led battle against their terrorist brethren in Afghanistan (where we are allied with that government and most of that country's people). American politicians expend much hot air accusing the Pakistani government of "not doing enough to rein in extremists" in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

But as Princeton scholar Zia Mian wrote in July, "most damaging of all for the United States is that people in Pakistan overwhelmingly see the United States as the problem." Mian cited a poll (PDF) conducted in May by the Pakistan Institute for Public Opinion, which found that "60 percent of Pakistanis believe the U.S. 'war on terror' seeks to weaken the Muslim world, and 15 percent think its goal is to 'ensure U.S. domination over Pakistan.'" About a third had a positive view of al Qaeda, twice as many as the number that viewed the United States in a positive light. Mian touched on what is probably the key finding in the study -- and one that speaks to our officials' utter lack of credibility when they say that they're fighting "extremism" or "terrorists." The poll found that "44 percent of Pakistanis believe the United States is the greatest threat to their personal safety ... (while) the Pakistani Taliban, who ... by some estimates have up to 40,000 fighters, are seen as a threat by less than 10 percent. Al Qaeda barely registers as a threat, slightly surpassing Pakistan's own military and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI)."

With almost half of the population saying the United States is the greatest threat to their own personal safety, any Pakistani government will be left between a rock and a hard place. In that part of the planet, the real-world consequence of our government's credibility gap is that the cooperation Washington seeks from Islamabad -- both internally and with neighboring Afghanistan -- can only result in destabilizing an already unstable political scene.

Around the world, the United States is at the nadir of its post-World War II influence. Among foreign governments and publics, in international institutions and commercial markets, our ideologies haven't had less power to sway people than they do today. We've never had less "soft power;" hard power doesn't come cheaply or without unintended consequences, and there's no guarantee that the Iron Fist can ever be put back into the Velvet Glove now that it's been exposed.

The fact that fewer than half of the world's citizens believe we were really attacked by al Qaeda seven years ago is merely a reflection of far deeper problems that our foreign policy makers are going to have to try to face in the coming years. That's Bush's foreign policy legacy.

All of which brings us to what historians will probably consider the great irony of the decline of the brief U.S.-led mono-polar order that existed between the end of the Cold War and the beginning of the second Gulf War: The neoconservative movement, which was so obsessed with the preservation of American power and the suppression of its rivals -- from its birth in the Nixon administration, through Reagan's "Dirty Wars" in Latin America and culminating in the 2003 invasion of Iraq -- ultimately oversaw the crash and burn of the World's Only Superpower's ability to influence world events.

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the "9-11 Truth" people...
Posted by: CatDad on Sep 11, 2008 11:19 AM   
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..are going to have a field day on this thread.

Michael Moore, in his book "Dude, Where's My Nation," probably gave the most rational explanation for how/why 9-11 happened:

9-11 was ultimately an attack on the USA by Saudi Arabia...specifically, rogue elements within the Royal House of Saud. This explains why members of the Royal Saudi family in the USA where escorted out of the nation the day after the attacks in spite of a total lock down on US airspace.

Everyone should read the book: "House of Saud, House of Bush," by Chris Unger. Ultimately, the USA has made a pact with the devil in coddling the medieval, corrupt House of Saud...Every president since Eisenhower has been sucking up to this profoundly anti-democratic regime. The Bush family went beyond this to basically adopt this family as its own.

To "really" examine how/why 9-11 happened would necessitate exploring the relationship between the Bush family and House of Saud (as well as past presidents). This cannot be. Diversions must occur: Iraq.....and creating a psy-ops operation called the 9-11 "Truth" movement...a movement meant to intercept rage against Bush into theories meant to discredit the Left.

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» RE: Wrong thrice, at least. Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Wrong thrice, at least. Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Wrong thrice, at least. Posted by: donl51
» RE: the "9-11 Truth" people... Posted by: demann411
The question isn't who attacked us on 9/11 but WHY?
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 11, 2008 11:41 AM   
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Being a retired person, I have time to research the Internet for answers of questions the media seems uninterested in asking. Such as WHY were we attacked on 9/11?

I have no doubt that Osama bin Laden targeted the World Trade Towers. As for WHY, I can only speculate -- as follows:

If one thinks the way the Bush administration does, the answer seems obvious. Osama wanted to kill as many Americans as possible. Certainly he took pleasure in that, but my examination of bin Laden’s history indicates that 3,000 deaths on September 11 was simply “collateral damage,” a Pentagon euphemism for killing innocent human beings during wartime.

In the Twin Towers case, I believe Osama had only one thing in mind: making a political statement the world would never forget. Simply put, Al Qaeda members were not afraid to die for their cause. What better exclamation points to Bin Laden’s unspoken proclamation than two smoking holes in a high-rise complex representing his most hated enemy: Western capitalism.

Imagine if the Twin Towers had not fallen. First, the loss of life (collateral damage) would have been in the hundreds, not thousands, resulting in less outrage by the free world.

Second -- and this is what I believe bin Laden really wanted -- both buildings would have stood long after 9/11, covered by huge canvas shrouds to hide the 757s’ entry and exit wounds.

Condemned as permanently unsafe for human occupancy, how long do you suppose it would have taken to dismantle the steel-columned structures? I’m guessing years, thus creating a lingering, painful and embarrassing reminder of Osama’s evil organization. What better billboard for Al Qaeda than an abandoned World Trade Center?

Conspiracy theories aside, if you are skeptical about my 9/11 scenario, consider this fact. No one in the United States, not even the Twin Tower architects, knew the buildings would collapse after being hit by the hijacked airliners. It took engineers months to determine that the dual impacts had dislodged fireproof sheathing around steel girders and columns, allowing them to be weakened by intense heat from burning jet fuel. Because of the information gap, we can reasonably assume the 9/11 Al Qaeda planners were equally ignorant about the Twin Towers’ inherent weakness.

Aside from being unforeseeable, I contend a structural collapse was the last thing Osama wanted to happen. The pile of smoking rubble not only cost him his New York marquee, it gave America hallowed ground for launching a global counterattack against his terrorist network. Unfortunately, George W. blew the opportunity.

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PS: I just watched a missing NVA video of POW McCain that was released today by a Swedish journalist. The tape was made in 1973, just before McCain flew back to freedom from North Vietnam.

In the crystal clear, full-color video, McCain walks with only SLIGHT limp -- WITHOUT crutches -- past on-looking NVA officials. Smiling, he stops and salutes a uniformed American officer. At no time does McCain appear discomforted.

So why was the admiral's son famously photographed on crutches when he later met with President Nixon? To make the Manchurian Candidate look like a crippled war hero, which he was NOT!

To view the damning video, click on:
Songbird McCain.

Vet against McCain

To find out why, click on the links below
VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com
VoteVets.org

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» Well Said, Vet Posted by: robbie.seal
9/11 was the result of 50 yrs Corp Business Practices
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 11, 2008 11:49 AM   
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Can't quite fully accept this admin planted denotators- but I'm willing to hang it on them anyway.
What I am confident about- as I have been since 9/11- is that day was the accumulation of anger and outrage after 50 yrs of Multinationals (Oil) Corps helping the 'friendly' ME Oil 'royals' oppress and abuse their own people.
The target were classic Military Industrial complex Sites ( WTC- financial Dept, Pentagon- military Dept and WH/Congress- Foreign policy Dept)
If Terrorist were After US - they would have focused on sites which average americans vacation at (Disney world), or use only a regular basis(Malls), Or a monument we all hold dear to our hearts (Ellis Island & the Statue of Liberty).
Add to that the phrase 'Hates Us for our Freedoms': who has been responsible for the Seizing our freedoms & Rights- This Admin.
This admin (and other Corp whores) spend more time recounting the effects of 9/11 on this Country than the supposed terrorists who had such a 'victory' that day do Glorifying it!
If the alleged scenario is true and Binny lives in a cave, while Oil Execs are rolling in profit margins...Who benefited from 9/11 More visibly and profoundly?
Let's take a quick review of the last say 30 yrs..1970'sIran Hostages (pissed about US involvement in the region), Numerous Highjackings (PLANES), Oil Crisis (put on a sweater & turn down the heat, Odd/even fillup days),1980's Iran contra- found out Reagans people were dealing behind Carters back - trading Arms for hostages. Then '93 WTC, then the Cole,.....
'Never thought they would highjack planes and use as Bombs'...What ??Lockerby? How fucking stupid are They? They're Not.. They ignored the obvious and all the red flag warnings.That makes them culpable.
today they are pounding their chest about 'No further attacks' Really- what about that 'mad Scientist'...Why do they constantly refuse to admit our Homegrown Terrorists. What about the huge bombing of the Federal building?what about the unibomber, the kid who was putting pipebombs in mailboxes, and now the infamous sociopathic scientist they had employeed in the Base most involved in biological Agents!
Everytime i hear those BS Corp whores dishonor the memory of all those lost on that day, makes me want them that much more in Orange jumpsuits and shackles- The more they Talk the more they give evidence to their own complicity in the HIGHEST Crimes Ever Committed against Our country- TREASON, decades Worth!

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We Need A Real Investigation ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 11, 2008 12:04 PM   
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And not just about 9/11 but about all that has happened over these last 8 years.

The 9/11 Commission was a farce and everybody knows it.

We need Federal Prosecutors with subpoena powers and unlimited security clearance to investigate the whole Bush Legacy.

Obama and McCain are eerily silent on all of this.

Vote Green !

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» RE: We Need A Real Investigation ... Posted by: nochicagoboys
OBL is as real as the tooth fairy
Posted by: 876 on Sep 11, 2008 12:18 PM   
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He probably died years ago that's why they used his name and why they haven't found him yet and likely never will. He had been in Afghanistan at some point giving Americans an excuse to invade that country. The idea that the Afghan people would sacrifice their nation to protect some Arab foreigner just doesn’t add up like most of the rest of the details of this all too convenient attack. It is known that the neo cons had goals to invade these areas, Iraq and Afghanistan, and what do you know 9/11 happens as George Bush takes office. Everything fell into place too neatly for the imperialist agenda to be anything less than planned.

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RE: THE ROYAL HOUSE OF SAUD
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 11, 2008 12:22 PM   
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Does anyone else believe that if Bush had not been elected president this might never have happened? He and his father both had a very close affiliation with the Saudis and they visited back and forth frequently. I don't believe that oil is the whole story. Like most Americans I don't believe the story fed to us by the government. I've read piles of books and papers by experts and still can't come up with a motive, because that would narrow down
the list of suspects. Highjacking 5 planes was not that difficult. This was not a high tech operaton. It worked because we were not prepared. No planes had been high jacked in 10 yrs. A conspiracy, it doesn't matter. It was a simple plan that worked. It still does. After 7 years it remains an open sore and a mystery. 9/11 continues to control more of our daily lives than we choose to admit. I wonder if knowing the truth would help. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THE ROYAL HOUSE OF SAUD Posted by: Lauren
» RE: THE ROYAL HOUSE OF SAUD Posted by: stopthemaddness2
» RE: THE ROYAL HOUSE OF SAUD Posted by: Gisele
Bush on the Rampage again ???
Posted by: davidhill on Sep 11, 2008 12:25 PM   
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But the question on everyone's lips should be on the anniversary of 9/11, is Bush going out with a big 'Bang' in Pakistan?

FOR TODAY he has authorized that US special forces can undertake incursions into Pakistan WITHOUT even the approval of their government.

This is something that he wishes to do and what a better way to leave office than to start a new little war for his friends in the defence industry. Another nice little earner I would say before he leaves office and additional personal security for the future (no I don’t mean our security either) !

Dr David Hill
World Innovation Foundation Charity (WIFC)
Bern, Switzerland

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There's no such group called al Qaeda
Posted by: Ghoulman on Sep 11, 2008 12:26 PM   
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As far as I know, according to Robert Bauer of the CIA, al Qaeda is a general term used by the CIA referring to foreign fighters, mostly Saudi (wahabi) extremists, during the Afgan war against the Soviet Union.

To the White House and thus all Americans, al Qaeda is a world ranging James Bond baddie organization capable of nuclear attacks and so on. The so called terror of "international terrorism'. What great twisting of the reality.

Why? Because America needed an excuse to control the richest oil fields on Earth. After all, America uses most of it. Washington made al Qaeda a giant threat the same way they made the Soviet Union terrorist bosses threatening the whole world and made Sandinista rebels in the 80s a missile capable threat to American soil. Ronald Reagan even went on TV with maps of the 'threat'. Different pig, same lipstick.

As this article points out, this is typical of American policy and has been even going back to Vietnam. Heck, if you want to go further you could bring up the invasion of the Philippines or the various military coups in Latin America.

The US foreign policy hasn't changed, as far as I can tell, ever. Any powerful nation will invade and steal from it's neighbors. Russia and China act no differently than the USA. The only difference is, it's only Americans that universally believe they are doing 'right'.

Manifest Destiny, I suppose.

The people in other nations aren't so brainwashd by decades of PR selling them the 'American Way'. Some sort of sacred belief of a white bread America with Mom in the kitchen and Dad at work for the corporation.

As a culture, the USA is still fixed in the 50s. Still shocked by sex. Still 100% sure nothing America does is wrong. Still believing that a new car will make one a better person.

You wont see this reported in US corporate news (which is all the MSM is) but before the invasion if Iraq by the USA in 2003 the largest protests ever across the world cried out to stop it. Even in the US, protests were large. I think that demonstrates just how people world wide feel about the USA invading other countries, let alone China or Russia or Americans themselves.

Think about it, even the Russians and Chinese themselves have a very realistic view of what their governments are up too, and have done so for some decades. What's Americans problem?

These protests across the globe were soon attacked by the US establishment. Americans suddenly were told that the Europeans were weaklings. The cruel French jokes (remember Freedom Fries?). How they had all been weak on 'international terrorism'.

As if the French didn't know anything about terrorism.

As this article points out, the rest of the world doesn't believe Americas bullplop. Just as they don't believe Russia's or China's. The only difference between these people and Americans is the culture Americans live in. A culture made sacred by the government and media. A culture where America can do no wrong.

It's these 50's tinged American beliefs that politicians, especially the GOP, use as justification for foreign policy. After all, it works on Americans. They've been trained by the TV to believe that a new car is, indeed, the path to a better life.

The rest of the world seems to have gotten past empty cultural promises, and most likely did in the 60s.

I feel this gap between what Americans believe compared to the rest of the world is a significant point about American culture. A culture the politicians use to gain support for more 'Cold Wars', so to speak. And they get it from Americans, as long as Americans get a new car.

What's the old joke? War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. Somehow, I think only non-Americans laugh at that... if nervously.

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» RE: you still don't get it. Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: get your facts straight Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: yes, correctomondo. Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: "facts" Posted by: 876
FMAinMass
Posted by: FMABBI on Sep 11, 2008 12:37 PM   
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There can be no doubt that the US government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Look at 911truth.org and other sites (there are truth sites for pilots, scholars, architects, engineers) and learn. Steel sky scrapers do not fall and vaporize at free fall speed as a result of fire-even from jet fuel. There is physical evidence of thermite in particles examined from the ground zero -clear evidence of explosives. Look at building 7. How could ANYBODY still believe that it fell as a result of fire? A plane did not hit it and other buildings were closer. Is it a coincidence that all three buildings were owned by the same person? And that all three had a fantastic insurance policy for terrorist attack? The owner even admitted on a TV interview that building 7 needed to be "pulled". Hello? Where's the outrage?

There are literally hundreds of reasons to NOT believe the official story. If any reasonable person were to look at all the facts, evidence and coincidences he/she would conclude that WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH. Hell, the official story is more of a "conspiracy theory" than anything else out there! We're a laughing stock around the world.

We need a REAL, FULLY FUNDED, INDEPENDENT investigation, with subpoena power! That is the very least we citizens should expect of our elected officials. When and if the truth ever comes out, those complicit will need to be held to account for this tragedy.

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» RE: FMAinMass Posted by: Krotos
Europeans Think the US did it.
Posted by: Shankari46 on Sep 11, 2008 12:48 PM   
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Is it any wonder?
Imagine some guys who came from a cave in Afghanistan and hijacked airlines with pin knives. The military did nothing to stop it. No one was fired for this catastrophe.
Guys from caves did this.
Impossible. Never happened. No guy in a cave did this.
Guys with pin knives hijacked planes. Right. Don't believe that one either. Guys took a flight class and knew how to fly a plane. Right. Don't believe that either. Cheney told the military to stand down. Why? No one was fired. Why? How about this line? The towers fell straight down due to jet liner fluid fire that was only burning in the top floors. What happened to the lower floors? They weren't on fire.

I think that our government did this as an excuse to go to war and take other people's oil. Period. It needs to be investigated for real, and those who really are responsible need to be hanged for treason.

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» RE: basic-physics whoppers. Posted by: chorton
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» Why caves? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» What caves? Posted by: ahmlco
Change is coming to America and the world!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 11, 2008 12:53 PM   
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Our goal is to get this somehow on TV and hopefully recited at Obama's inauguration.

Your help is needed. If you're ready for change, please share this video with all of your family and friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

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Conspiracy theories....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 11, 2008 1:23 PM   
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It may be that future generations will have to uncover what really precipitated the actions of those men that hijacked those plans and wreaked such death and destruction. What we do know is that there was forewarning, and that this Mis-Administration failed to heed them. Was it intentional disregard, was it incompetence, was it all just a ruse to force an unwilling populace into these (fiascoes) wars of choice, by a corrupt, crony-driven, mentally bankrupt, morally deficient, militaristic regime!? I'd have to go with the latter!

Unfortunately, the American populace has been whipped into a frenzy of patriotism! Patriotism that has been used and continues to buy the false-prophet lies these idiots continue to pull out. The really sad part is that the real lessons that should have been learned, not just from that day, but from all the days since have not been learned by the American people. If they had McShame would not be able to use his "military service" in running for the Oval Office without a crowd laughing at him. If those lessons had been learned, then maybe the ultra-compliant MSM would really be on their job, asking the tough questions, and Bushco would not have been voted back into office! If we all had really learned the lesson, than this bunch of thugs would be on trial for violating the Constitution that they all swore to uphold and defend!

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Yes, 9/11 was a conspiracy -- by Al-Qa'ida.
Posted by: Krotos on Sep 11, 2008 1:36 PM   
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Most of the World Knows about Al-CIAda (alias "Al-Qaeda")
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Sep 11, 2008 1:37 PM   
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...as a farce created out of whole cloth by FBI ruling class gofers in January 2001 out of a Manhattan courtroom from the leftovers of Zbignew Brzezinski's CIA "Operation Cyclone" to produce a patsy for an American Big Oil-Wall Street takeover sting at the Mid East and Eurasia.

Virtually the entire operation was bankrolled by the U.S. and House of Saud thru the Pakistan CIA poodle secret police ISI headed by the paymaster of 9/11 "hijackers" General Mahmoud Ahmed - head of ISI.

You may call this a "conspiracy theory" if you prefer but a NeoCon ruled American government did not spring into an utterly phony 9/11 "war on terror" on a theory. And U.S. puppet leader GW Bush was fully prepared to take the nation to war well before 9/11.

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Oh, Wouldn"t It Be Loverly
Posted by: Rosasharn on Sep 11, 2008 1:44 PM   
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If the truth about 9/11 came out before the election? Then, we would be putting to rest the world-threatening nightmare that is the Bush administration. But no, no one involved is able to risk themselves or their families, so we stay in the dark (ages). Now, they want us to swallow the 'feminist' Palin. So they can continue their idiotic quest for ever more oil, oil, OIL! Let's change the direction, America. Got to be OBAMA!

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» Would anyone believe it? Posted by: robbie.seal
The 9/11 conspiracy theory is a government conspiracy!
Posted by: leTerrassier on Sep 11, 2008 1:58 PM   
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All references to South Park aside, one obvious reason people think the government lied about 9/11 is that the government lied about 9/11. Mr. Bush stood before the world and announced that the terrorists attacked us because of our freedoms. That is obviously a lie, and the fact that he so blatantly told lies about the attacks can easily lead people to conclude that the government had some sinister role in that tragic event. I believe we were attacked by religious maniacs from the Arab world who, having lost support in their home countries, targeted the United States because of it's imperialist habits in the region. Perhaps I am wrong, but at least I'm not saying things that are obvious falsehoods. We need honest dialog about the attacks, the response, and America's place in the world. Until we have that, there is no telling what people will believe.

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A very simple proof of deception
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Sep 11, 2008 2:11 PM   
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There is a lot of information supporting the FACT of a 9-11 false-flag operation and subsequent coverup(s). Here is a simple observation overlooked by most.

The letterhead used to forge the "Yellowcake letter" that was then used to help "sell" the Iraq war was stolen in Rome on 1/1/2001, more than nine months before 9:11 and before Little W. became president. Consequently, the use of the "Yellow-Cake Lie" was obviously discussed and planned before then! The import of this fact is that the Niger embassy in Rome was burglarized, before Bush became president, to lay the groundwork for the web of deception used to sell the Iraq War, after 9:11. More importantly though, it is highly unlikely that the Iraq war could ever have been sold to the American public, without something like 9:11 happening first. Any excuses of other uses for the stolen letterhead are laughable since the letterhead burglary would have been pointless, without 9:11. This evidences foreknowledge of those attacks, a full nine months before they occurred, among other things!

Read More..."The Iraq War Card, Yellow-Cake, and Big Time Lies"

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Complicity
Posted by: arraya on Sep 11, 2008 3:46 PM   
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9/11 was the psychological pretext used to get the Wars on Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly Iran started. While it is a relief to finally see much of the country turn against the War on Iraq, there has been very little overt discussion of this pretext, or what the motivations were to start the illegal, unnecessary, destabilizing wars. While the full details remain obscure, it is documented beyond any reasonable doubt that the administration was repeatedly warned (by Britain, France, Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Germany, Russia and other countries) that 9/11 was about to happen and at least five FBI investigations were squashed to make sure the attacks were not stopped. It is also very well documented that the administration knew the world was about to reach "Peak Oil" and that soon demand for petroleum would start to outstrip supplies. Cheney's secretive Energy Task Force examined maps of Middle East oil fields in the months before 9/11 and the start of the alleged "War on Terror" - so it seems reasonable to conclude that 9/11 was desired in order to allow the seizure of Iraqi oil fields, the second largest on the planet.

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein ...
"the process of [military] transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor ...
... advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
-- Rebuilding America’s Defenses, September 2000, Project for a New American Century www.newamericancentury.org

signed by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle, Scooter Libby, et al.

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» RE: Complicity Posted by: tlv
The Lying Sack of Sh-t CHAINEY ran 911 from his Dungeon! What no Air-Force?
Posted by: williameon on Sep 11, 2008 3:56 PM   
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Where's was our multi-Trillion Dollar Air-Force on Sept. 11, 2001?
Playing the slots in Atlantic City?

What is, is.
65 Times in the year before Sept. 11, 2001 Fighter Jets intercepted planes within 15 minutes.
But, On Sept. 11, 2001 four planes fly around the East Coast crashing into buildings for an hour and a half.
SOMETHING is ROTTEN in WASHINGTON.
Why would you believe anything these Lying, Spying, Thieving, Murderous Cowards told you?
The flights even flew over our own Air Force Bases on their Bombing runs.
Namely, Stewart Air Force Base in New York.
Bush/Dead Eye have no allegiance to this Country or People.
They are part of The Ruling Class.
The Alien Aristocracy.
They get a kick out of giving U.S. the finger and ripping U.S. off.
They win when we lose.
We are the victims, in this Rovien orchestrated Delusion.
The Delusion Continues:
"Believe me", BUSH cries, even after all the lies
Wolf, Wolf, Wolf.
Are you really that Duped and ignorant that you
Still believe this lying sack of SH-T?
The system is Rotten
From BUSH Down.
Keep the Positive Goals and Ideals that got us here and
Tear Down the rest.
Start over.

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

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Al Qaeda was too convenient
Posted by: Hans B on Sep 11, 2008 4:23 PM   
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I can't find the link anymore, but I read an incredible article by an Al Qaeda expert where he explains that the organization - which does exist even if it got its name from the CIA - doesn't plan all that much, but rather functions like an investment banker or the like. Some of the 9/11 hijackers probably had the bright idea themselves, contacted AQ for help, and were given some outside financing and contacts. It's worth remembering that Al Qaeda was reluctant to claim responsibility at first, maybe because they weren't quite sure who it was themselves.

So why was Al Qaeda branded as the sole responsible and as the enormous threat that it wasn't? For several reasons, I think, not all of them evil.

First, when terrorist attacks occur every government always tries to put a label on it. The point is that terrorism is so easy, it would scare people out of their minds to think that it can be committed by anyone, anytime. An organization, ironically, is less scary, because you can "go after them".

Of course there was also an opportunity to increase defense spending and to start foreign aggressions (not to mention winning elections they would otherwise lose), and the neocons seized it with both hands. But that, too, required labelling the 9/11 terrorists as members of a large organization, not as free-wheeling elements.

Terrorism is here, let's get used to it. It exists because it works, and even when it doesn't work, there will still be people who do it in the present end-of-times hysteria. One of the areas where you Americans can learn from us Europeans is in the response to terrorism. It's not a military thing but a police thing, and let's not panic, we are much more likely to be killed by a drunken driver than by a terrorist.

And above all let's remember that it's a good government that tells people to stay calm, and an evil government that tells them to be scared.

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Opinons Formed on the Basis of Absolutely Nothing
Posted by: hadashito on Sep 11, 2008 4:57 PM   
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Interesting piece indicating once again that even in this fast moving (and presumibly evidence based scientific and technological age) a great many people around the world are guided by either ignorance, ideology, and/or their prejudices. Perhaps the worst indication of pure stupidity despite evidence to the contrary is the believe by so many Americans that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

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Just the facts m'am
Posted by: purplewarrior on Sep 11, 2008 5:07 PM   
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Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth don't offer an opinion as to who was behind the attacks. They just provide evidence that would be admissible in court about what happened, and they conclude, from their evidence, that all three World Trade Center buildings that fell on 9/11 were brought down by explosives.

The official story for all three buildings is that they were felled by fire. But fire causes distortion. A weakened, or injured, building would fall toward the injury - not straight down. Falling things fall through the path of least resistance. That generally is not straight down through a building, unless the resistance of the rest of the building has been removed by explosives. And buildings fallen by fire would have something of the debris remaining besides very small particles. The three World Trade Center buildings that fell on 9/11 were pulverized. There was nothing left but dust, including no bodies and no furniture. Tiny fragments of human remains were found on the roof of another high rise several years later.

For those of you who remember the visuals of the collapse of Highway 17 in Oakland, California, due to the earthquake in 1989, you could see the structure that had collapsed, that had pancaked. You don't see anything like that in any of the World Trade Center collapses.

I know somebody is going to say "Popular Mechanics." Before you do, please read David Ray Griffin's "Debunking the 9/11 Debunkers".

Check out the website of archtects and engineers for 9/11 truth. These are people who build high rise buildings. Their website is linked text.

As I said, they just provide the facts and the facts demonstrate that the collpase of all three buildings have characteristics of explosives and none of fire. The implications are for us to draw, and they are frightening!.

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» RE: Just the facts m'am Posted by: FMABBI
911: Popular Narrative Not Fact Based
Posted by: brisa1 on Sep 11, 2008 5:20 PM   
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Here is a synopsis of what the best and brightest researchers around the world have gleaned over the past five-plus years from the best evidence available:

* yes, 9-11 was a "terrorist" attack, but it was not perpetrated by "angry Arabs", it was a State-sponsored "inside job", a "false flag" operation planned, executed, and covered up by elements of the USG and operatives from at least two other countries... it was the greatest act of psychological warfare ever perpetrated;

* the alleged 19 Arab "hijackers" were "patsies", several are still alive, several were under the care and feeding of USG operatives and were being "trained" at CIA-operated flight schools;

* FBI field agents who discovered the plot were told by their superiors not to investigate the "suspicious Arabs in flight schools";

* no interceptor jets were launched in a timely manner on 9-11 because of the five to seven overlapping war games - "games" simulating a simultaneous hijacking of several planes - that were taking place on 9-11;

* the planes that hit the Twin Towers were most likely remotely controlled to their intended targets;

* WTC 1 and 2 (the Twin Towers) and WTC 7 were all destroyed by preplanted charges - a combination of Thermate and high-powered explosives - in controlled demolitions;

* the Pentagon was hit by a military drone painted to look like American Airlines flight 77, possibly in combination with a cruise missile;

* the cell-phone calls allegedly made from the "hijacked" flights were not possible with the technology available on 9-11 from the altitude and speed at which the jets were traveling, these calls were faked to help sell the OCT.

attribution: PhoenixB at Americablog.

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PS
Posted by: purplewarrior on Sep 11, 2008 5:26 PM   
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How did Rudy Giulliani know that a building was going to collapse? There is audio tape (can be heard on archtects and engineers for 9/11 truth DVD) where he says that they were told that the building was going to collapse so they were trapped for 10 or 15 minutes. Which building did he know was going to collapse? The South Tower - did he have 10 or 15 minutes warning before it came down? The North Tower - did he have 10 or 15 minutes warning before it came down? Building 7 - was he still near ground zero at 5:20 in the afternoon?

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A Rose is a Rose...
Posted by: yellow on Sep 11, 2008 5:59 PM   
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I too read Jason Burke's brilliant book on Al-Qaeda which claims that the idea of al-Qaeda as a cohesive western style organization with the proverbial sign over the office door probably doesn't exist. But a loose knit transnational movement of terrorist organizations based on Islamic Fundamentalism acting in cooperation with common goals and beliefs surely does exist. The idea that Islamic terrorism is a western myth and simply doesn't exist is foolish. No one would make such an obviously mistaken claim.

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TLV
Posted by: tlv on Sep 11, 2008 6:21 PM   
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The explanation that the WTC complex was full of asbestos and would have cost Halliburton billions to remove is the most logical explanation for the false flag attack. The House of Saud likely knew men who were willing to martyr themselves for the Cheney-led cabal which let them do it to satisfy their greed as well as capitalize on the terror that ensued. Without 9/11, we would not be in oil-rich regions fraught with danger for our troops and private contractors. The PNAC dream lives on.

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Credibility?
Posted by: Archie1954 on Sep 11, 2008 6:26 PM   
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The problem is that the current resident in the Whitehouse is so stupid he wouldn't know if he was behind the 911 debacle or if he wasn't. What I mean is it could have been someone in his government (VP?) and he wouldn't know it. He himself is not intelligent enough to have planned any of the attack but he is still responsible because he was too inattentive or uninterested to have paid attention to the warnings from his own intelligence services of the impending horror. That in itself is sufficient to give plausibility to conspiracy theories. No-one can believe that any president would be so grossly negligent in his safekeeping of the nation.

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» RE: Credibility? Posted by: kellysgarden
Crime of the Century
Posted by: Zimbly on Sep 11, 2008 8:18 PM   
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For those who have bothered to do some research and look at the videos and also as Mike Ruppert says..forget the videos..since that did nothing for the JFK issue.
The point is that a criminal cabal has hijacked the Whitehouse.... these people coldly calculated the murder of their own citizens to further their personal agenda, we know also that the financial market, a week before was also in a free fall. I think "they" assembled on a Friday and said "Its a go"
I also believe that our beloved President received a "phone call" while on his way to the school...it went something like this..."Hi George, this is Dick..don't talk just listen to me, some very powerful folk have told me to tell you this, "something very BIG" is going to happen today, you go to the school, sit down, read a book and "then" we tell you when and what to do...got it...if you fail to comply with this, we have a "stand down order" for your security and "something" might happen to you..got it...good..now play the game and everyone will be ok.

So poor olde Georgy has to sit down and play dumb for a ridiculously long time and look like an idiot holding a "Pet Goat" book upside down.. I also think this was no accident..this was a way of humiliating the Presidency ..for all those with eyes to see.

The "Anthrax attacks" was ..just for good measure..just in case the "Media" didn't "get the message...
Unfortunately people still think they have a Government....
All of this of course is tragic..absolutely tragic..hopefully people will wake up and see the reality...even though it is so outlandish and hard and painful to believe.

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» RE: Crime of the Century Posted by: FMABBI
Matt Taibi Eat this!!
Posted by: Snowpuppy on Sep 11, 2008 8:47 PM   
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For dissing the 9/11 Truth movement as a bunch of whackos, chew on this, long and hard.

You write too many decent columns to get sucked by big media into the 9/11 cover-up.

When will you recant??

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» RE: Matt Taibi Eat this!! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Matt Taibi Eat this!! Posted by: FMABBI
Great Analysis, Thanks Joshua
Posted by: gandhi on Sep 11, 2008 8:48 PM   
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Bernard Weiner lists Twenty-Six Things We Now Know Seven Years After 9/11 (he does an annual update) including for example that the illegal and widespread domestic spying was ordered by Cheney and Bush seven months BEFORE 9/11. So was the planning for the Iraq War and the forgeries used to justify it. The anthrax was almost certainly being prepared in some lab, ready to be mailed out after 9-11, and the PNAC documents about the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" were of course published years earlier. And after seven years they still haven't found Bin Laden or even proved that he was behind the attacks.

French comedian Jean-Marie Bigard, who The Independent calls a member of President Sarkozy's "inner circle of showbiz friends", recently said this:

"We are now absolutely certain that these two planes - the one that supposedly fell into a forest (flight 93 in Pennsylvania) and onto the Pentagon don't exist... those planes are still flying.

"It's an enormous lie," he told Europe 1 radio.

"It's an American missile that hit the Pentagon, they provoked it themselves, they killed fellow Americans.

"Usually one learns of these things 30 years afterwards. We know it now," he went on.

Mr Bigard, who has staged shows to a full house in Paris' football stadium, le Stade de France, added: "We are beginning to seriously consider that neither Ben Laden nor al Qaeda were responsible for September 11."

And yesterday Dana Perino corrected a reporter who called Bin Laden the 9-11 mastermind:

"No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now. "

But of course nearly all the "evidence" about KSM's involvement was extracted under torture, which makes it not only inadmissible in court but also deserving of extreme skepticism.

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The US Government Has The Reputation It Has Earned
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Sep 11, 2008 10:50 PM   
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along with lawyers and user car salesmen. It's a testament to human gullibility that anyone still believes the official 9/11 story.

BTW, since it looks like a close election, I expect an "October Surprise" of further manufactured war/terror in order to get the sheeple behind the Republicans just in time for the vote.

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» October surprise Posted by: kellysgarden
9/11 inside job is proven, not conspiracy theory
Posted by: nfamous on Sep 12, 2008 5:42 AM   
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This article seems to be saying that 9/11 was not an inside job but the author understands why people might embrace such a loony notion. That is more gatekeeping from the left. The fact is that there are mounds of scientific that disprove the official lie. It doesn't matter what really happened because it is scientifically irrefutable that the planes caused the Twin Towers to collapse. It is also irrefutable that any form of Al Qaeda could have planted explosives in the buildings to assist in the collapse. The Twin Towers were two of the most secure buildings in the world.

The media likes to conflate the 911 truthers who have proven the official lie is just that with those that have alternative theories of what happened. They are not the same.

I have some ideas of what might have happened but I can't possibly know if that really happened without a real and open independent investigation. It's like religion. Many people who have faith believe they know what happens when they die. No they don't. They just believe they do. No one knows what happens when we die because if you really die then you never come back to tell anyone about it. What we do know is what doesn't happen and it's all the tripe mythological theism that man has invented before we had science and to control the masses.

That equates with the alternative theories. People don't know if those are true. They are making educated and sometimes uneducated guesses but by conflating the two groups the disinformation sect is basically saying the an agnostic is the same as an atheist or a believer, people that are certain about things that cannot be proven or disproven.

911 truthers can be certain about one thing because it has already been proven: the official lie is the real conspiracy along with the cover-up. That does not require faith or conspiracy theory because science alone clearly has demonstrated that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed which means explosives were used that could have only been planted by the government vis a vis the military or possibly the military of another country like Israel.

Americans need to overcome this vulnerability most of us have to absorption of mass disinformation from watching mainstream media like CNN and MSNBC. Our minds have become sponges for their propaganda. Turn it off. The media exists to propagate the lies of the elite. If we keep buying the lies then soon they won't even need to lie to us anymore. There is no reason to believe anything you see in the mainstream media. It is chocked full of lies, just like the recent lie that Russia invaded South Ossetia when the complete opposite is the truth.

If ignorance is bliss then Americans have been blissful for far too long. It is time for the unpleasant truth to replace the comforting lies that so many of us have come to cherish. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

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» based on what facts Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: based on what facts Posted by: EncinoM
» I agree with nfamous. Posted by: chorton
I cannot, you cannot and God himself could not change a Zealot.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 12, 2008 6:13 AM   
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No amount of evidence that, the WTC bombing was hatched 16 months previously by our own Alphabet Agencies will convince the Zealot. You could drown the blighter with minutia of excruciating detail and accuracy, but the BDI SOB will puff himself up with denial deeper than that River itself.

No amount of supportive testimony, no avalanche of physical phenomena will convince the Bull Headed ball bat of anything other than you are crazy and should be locked up or better killed to shut your mouth! Meanwhile the monsters that have done this thing go blithely about their way chortling to themselves over the confused Sheeple. John Q Public you have a secret enemy and its’ name is Abaddon it will pursue all of mankind to the pit and push us into it if we let it.

One need not be Jewish to know this. One only needs to understand that human habits are next to impossible to break without perseverance. I am not Jewish, but believe when I tell you there are worse things to be, for instance one could be among the self enforced ignorant. For ignorance there is a cure, but for stupid there is only forever! Forget the stupid and the dead, you are living and you must follow the living. The alternative here is too terrible to contemplate, dead humans everywhere!

Protect your own frontier; do not let some shady fly-by-night alphabet agency whack your ass into a war. Once upon a time when this country was REALLY new people had the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and the added responsibility to explain to the novice what they were for and why they were necessary. Today even thinking like this can get your butt tossed in the clink for encouraging terrorism. Because, self defense to these stupid frightened politicians, is terrorism!

We bought into this dumb feces honestly enough by believing that if you eliminated weapons no one would offer violence, excuse me folks I have to barf a little here. As long as humans cannot love there will be violence. Love cannot be enforced, only nourished. If you don’t get that then you should at least get a shrink because you are definitely in trouble. Learn to carry arms and be at one with others in the need for self protection and the defense of your neighbor. Humans are still very sick; we have a rampant emotional plague to contend with. First learn what that plague is and you may have a chance to insure its defeat.

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Minor Editorial Error
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 12, 2008 7:09 AM   
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"And it has used falsehoods to justify going to war. In the now-infamous Gulf of Tonkin Incident -- the incident that would be used to justify America's involvement in that conflict"

"that conflict" refers to the Vietnam War. But the Vietnam War was not specifically mentioned until after this sentence. While it is no big deal because everyone knows the context, it is still not a good practice to imply context. This gives the distinct impression that this article was cut and pasted and hacked up. It leaves a bad taste. Us 9/11 twoofers have gotten sick of the taste!

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Simple Litmus Test Proving Inside Job
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 12, 2008 7:32 AM   
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If 9/11 wasnt an inside job, what would the response have been? Simple. About $100 million immediately spent investigating. People would have been fired instead of promoted.

$20 million would have been spent shoring up the cockpit doors on all commercial airlines.

And about $300 million would have been given to the victims families.

That's what a genuine response to a non-state sponsored terror attack. There's no enemy, there's no logic in a military response. So the response would have been similar to the response to a hurricane, tornado, wildfire, earthquake, etc. When there is an earthquake, we dont send troops 30 miles down into the mantle to declare war against the Epicenter of Terror. When there is a hurricane, we don't send troops to the eastern mid-atlantic where the hurricanes are born. But because this was a false flag and the response was therefore predetermined, the response was plainly irrational.

And even today after 7 years of mafia style rule, this criminal cabal is still using the same tactics. They will not stop holding the billy-club over America's head until the country is broke and half the population is living in refugee camps. The text on that billy-club reads "Islamofascism". Hundreds of media figures ) are wielding that word in a mafia style. These media personalities are paid hacks. They are hired hitmen who do their dirty deeds not with real pistols and clubs, but with words. Intellectually bankrupt words... By invoking that word Islamofascism, they are in reality saying "pay us protection money or yer windaz is gonna be smashed." Now, 7 years later, we've all paid massive amounts of protection money. At least 10,000 on average. Perhaps 20,000 when you add in all the inflation and debt that they have caused. But it's still not enough. They want you to literally lose your assets and even lose your earning ability. They are pushing the country toward civil war. Islamofascists is the key word. This is all very simple and well understood by many, yet it still holds this country and the world in a deathgrip. That is largely due to the cowardice of the gatekeepers such as the author of this article.

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OFCOURSE EUROPE THINKS DIFFERENTLY
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 8:34 AM   
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Of course Europeans think differently about 9 -11 They also think that OBAMA is better than McCain which is more of the same.

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A message to terrorists
Posted by: sunnywater on Sep 12, 2008 8:39 AM   
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" I don't know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea, and really don't care. It's not that important, It's not our priority."

G.W. Bush 3/13/02

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9 11 CHANGED MY ENTIRE VIEW OF THE UNITED STATES
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 8:47 AM   
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Sept 11 TWIN TOWERS massacre, changed my entire view of American politics. I will never as long as I breathe, forget the look on George W Bush's face when his agents whispered the news in his ear, and he continued to read a book to an elementary class. And the facts, that came afterward, just don't add up, don't make sense. Since that time, I have noticed, and if you start to open your eyes, you will notice as well, how many 7 - 11, AM/PM, SHELL, EXXON, MOBIL, BP, CHEVRON, and other gas stations all around this country are OWNED and RAN by Saudi's and Middle Eastern people, who learn super quickly to adapt and some whom speak Spanish better than Hispanics do, and cater their store items to miniorities along with selling their gasoline. The slow decline in American ownership, and after eight years of GEORGE DUBUA BUSH, where are we now? Look at all the damage, and disasters that have occurred since he stole office and was Selected, not Elected...look LOOK open your eyes and just look, 9-11 which is a novel of shocking cover up by itself, but Iraq, a war waged and for what, no objects of mass destruction were found, but he ordered it anyway, Katrina, how many people died, because he refused to act quicker? This recent oil scandal within the Interior with the squandering of revenues in Denver, and how loudly do you hear about that? The American people are so depressed with the decline of the economy, and so heavily burdened with trying to pay bills, have enough gas to get to work, buy $5 GALLON of MILK along with a $4 GALLON of GASOLINE, they don't have time or energy I guess to devote to uncovering the truth, and frankly, if we really knew the truth, could any of us handle it? The consequences would be more than catatrophic to say the least.

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NOT CONSPIRACY THEORY CONSPIRACY FACT FREEDOM IS DOOMED
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 8:58 AM   
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And I am so sick of it being referred to and watered down by saying it is a THEORY. If anybody with half a brain, would look at the facts, and take into consideration the eye witness accounts before and after the second tower, and just ADD UP ALL KNOWN the FACTS, and if you understand that universal law and number do not lie, can not be discounted, is what it is, you would be scared, shocked, disgusted, appauled, inflamed, enraged, and extremely dissolutioned at what you discover. It is scary. And in the course of it many civil rights were taken away, and many controls were put in place to keep us dumbed down and subordinate ...like peasants. I see a day when a website like this, and the ability to say things like this will land us in prison. Remember someone here told you about it. It is coming. I see it. And 9-11 was just the beginning.

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WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME BUSH EVEN MENTIONED BIN LADEN?
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 12, 2008 9:12 AM   
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When was the last time you can REMEMBER BUSH even mentioning Bin Laden? If he were responsible, why not continue the quest? Where is Bin Laden and why has the focus beam of light become dim regarding EFFORTS TO FIND HIM? He still continues to send tapes, but who knows if any of that is real?

Why did we go to Iraq? Why are we still there? Wasn't it oil and not weapons of mass destruction? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT AMERIAN TRAGEDY AFTER TRAGEDY HAS FOLLOWED GEORGE DUBUA since he walked his sorry heels into the oval office. IN THE PROCESS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, WE HAVE LOST MANY OF OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES. WAKE UP AMERICA... PLEASE WAKE UP!

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More than half the US believes that too.....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 AM   
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Not all of us have surrendered our thinking to the media. Actually the media,in it's drive to get information of all types, has helped fuel this disbelief. One glaring point that comes to mind comes from a Discovery Channel show run shortly before 9/11. It dealt with airline safety measures in the crowded skies. This program told us that planes in congested areas like the Boston,NYC,DC areas used a modern marvel, 'Fly-by-wire'. In otherwords flying by computer control,and, they could do it for the last hour and a half of flight time on hundreds of planes. NYC and DC are less than an hour away and well within the 'controlled air space'.
In 1998 there was a program detailing the first Trade Center attack. How that one only put a few cracks in the protective casings on the interior steel that supported the Center,
and they were very busy repairing those cracks because,if left undone,would cause the Trade Center to fall under it's own weight.
Maybe we get too much information or maybe we're getting enough to smell a very big rat in DC. Either way the real truth about just what we're doing in the world isn't fully out ...yet. We may just find out the real world terrorist is our government.

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Guess you can call it the World's revenge..
Posted by: shinseiji on Sep 12, 2008 9:55 AM   
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...for the majority of Americans clueless enough to believe the convenient lie that "Saddam did it".

What goes around DOES come around, my fellow 'merakins.

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no jets crashed into the pentagon or shanksville
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 12, 2008 2:17 PM   
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anyone with eyes can clearly see no AA jet crashed into the pentagon and no UA jet crashed in shanksville. duh. no wreckage.

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» where are the people? Posted by: kellysgarden
google plane crashers or airline crashes and look at photos of true crashes
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 13, 2008 11:09 AM   
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google plane crashers or airline crashes and look at photos of true crashes...then look at pics of the pentagon and shanksville. only idiots could possibly believe that jets crashed there. NO WRECKAGE, no bodies, no wires, no tail, no fusilage, no wings, no crumpled metal, no seats, no luggage, NOTHING!!!!!!!!! the wreckage at the pentagon was a small piece of metal painted to look like AA debris but it was the size of an ice cream truck door and nothing more. WAKE UP PEOPLE, something blew up the pentagon but it wasn't an AA jet and something was smouldering in shanksville but it wasn't a UA jet. google images of real plane wrecks and you will see obviously that stupid americans are blinded by patriotic belief when the actual photographs are all the proof needed.

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» sorry for typos... Posted by: veggiegrrrl
Need New Investigation
Posted by: FMABBI on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 AM   
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We need a real, independent, fully funded investigation with full subpoena power! How else are we going to know what really happened? We can guess all we want. The only thing we really know for sure was that attacks did happen and that the government's official story is NOT true.

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Sep 14, 2008 9:06 AM   
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For those who do not believe that any demolition was used, how do you explain the documentary released by PBS, in which they interview Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder) about the collapse of WTC7 (which was not impacted by anything)and he says it was pulled due to concerns about containing the fire. I also have lots of video footage from that day of firemen and police telling people to "get back because that building (WTC7) is about to explode." There are also eyewitness accounts of people saying they were told this, and one of a man claiming to hear a countdown over a Red-Cross radio. There was no reason for anyone to expect this building to collapse. For one, it was supposed to be bomb-proof, as it was Guiliani's Command Bunker (what a smart decision that was that he made, despite numerous advice to the contrary), and second, no steel-framed building has EVER collapsed from fire before or after 9/11, despite many buildings burning for over 18 hours and being completely gutted to the point of being "see-through." There are numerous other examples of foreknowledge of WTC7s collapse, including a BBC reporter who got her times confused and reported the building had collapsed a full 15 minutes before it did.
So why did they change their story? I mean, the building was empty, and concern about spreading fire would be justification to pull the building.
The reason is, it would have been impossible for them to rig a building of that size (which was 47 floors tall..would have been the tallest bld in 33 states)for wireless demolition in the time they had, and with it on fire. So, if it was pulled--and there is irrefutable evidence of this--it had to have been rigged prior to 9/11.
If it HAD collapsed from fire, it would not have been a perfectly symetrical collapse that took a mere 7 seconds! How stupid can you be?
I don't claim to know what exactly happened on 9/11, but the "Official" conspiracy theory is one of the most absurd.
Demolition by thermate is also the only logical explanation for the pools of molten metal found days after the event, and after tons of water had been poured on the site. But the 9/11 Commission does not even mention WTC7, nor the pools of molten metal that are clearly visible in many photographs and attested to in firemen testimony (which was also left out of the report.
Also, how do you explain a President and his S.S. guards who stay at a known location after being told the U.S. was under attack, jeopardizing his own life (which we know Bush would never do), the leadership of the country, and the lives of all those children at the school?
There is only one explanation.

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Let me simplify this for you:
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 15, 2008 8:18 AM   
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All investigations, pointed at Al Quaida.

The money for the attackers came from Al Quaida.

The attackers were all members of Al Quaida.

Oh, and the leader of Al Quaida ADMITTED IT!

Hello? Is there anyone in there?

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Polls Prove Ignorance, Not Truth
Posted by: Jarhead on Sep 15, 2008 9:06 AM   
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Polls don't determine the truth. The polls show people are ignorant.

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Most of the Websites that promote conspiracy theories are not credible and give misinformation
Posted by: yellow on Sep 15, 2008 12:35 PM   
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These are the same sites that claim all kinds of unsubstantiated things and never give sources of any kind for what they claim. Some of them, like The Free American, an ultra-right wing, white supremacist and anti-semitic propaganda source, have as their expressed objective the spread of hate and fear. Most of these sources have zero credibility.

The ZIM move from the Twin Towers offices seems disturbing but there were many moves from the towers within a month or so of 9/11 of a variety of different businesses. None of them seemed connected as I'm sure an FBI investigation confirmed. The $50,000 penalty for breaking a long term lease agreement is a lot of money for us poor folk but for one of the largest international shipping companies in the world it is truely peanuts. I'm sure they spend at least that amount wining and dining prospective business clients over a single deal. And like the money spend on such things, the $50,000 is a tax write-off. In addition, much of ZIM's property, including valuable computer files, perished in the 9/11 attacks. I'm sure this was not a move planned with foreknowledge of the event. I plan to do some further investigating of my own on this matter.

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