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Standoff with Police as Iraq Vets Demand to Meet with Obama Campaign

By Alex Kane and Jessica Lee, Indypendent. Posted August 28, 2008.


With no reply from Obama to their letter asking him to endorse their goals, IVAW marched to the Pepsi Center to demand that their voices be heard.
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DENVER -- A little more than an hour before Sen. Barack Obama made a surprise appearance at Pepsi Center to conclude the evening at the Democratic National Convention, his campaign had an exchange with Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW).

Approximately 100 IVAW members were determined to push Obama on his stance on troop withdrawal. Leading a grueling three-hour-plus long march of an estimated 7,000 demonstrators towards the Pepsi Center late in the afternoon, IVAW hoped to deliver a folded flag and a letter calling on Obama to endorse the three main goals of unity: immediate withdrawal of American troops, full veterans benefits, and reparations for the Iraqi people.

The march was met with a line of more than 100 Denver Police Department officers clad in riot gear and armed with batons and pepper ball guns at the intersection of Market and 17th Streets. The police refused to let IVAW or the thousands of antiwar demonstrators closer to the convention. After long moments of contention between the demonstration and the police, finally one IVAW representative, former U.S. Marine Liam Madden, was allowed to cross police lines to meet with representatives of the Obama campaign.

As Madden left on his mission, it seemed as if more than 50 IVAW members were prepared to engage in non-violent civil disobedience and likely arrest. Less than 10 minutes later, at approximately 7:40pm (CT), an announcement was made by IVAW to the crowd, indicating that Obama had endorsed their three points of unity, causing the crowd to uproar in applause.

Some veterans were visibly emotional by the end of the march. In a highly stirring and symbolic moment, members of IVAW gave a peace salute towards the direction of the Pepsi Center. There was then a moment of silence for casualties of the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Sen. Obama, we won't forget this," said Jeff Engelhart, IVAW member who served in Baquba, Iraq, with the U.S. Army 1st Infantry Division, to the crowd via microphone and loud speakers. He went on to indicate that if Sen. Obama did not make good on his endorsement, more antiwar protests would come.

But there seemed to be some disconnect between the protesters and Madden's conversation with the Obama campaign.

IVAW's statement that the Obama campaign endorsed their points of unity could not be confirmed. The endorsement seems to be at odds with the Obama campaign's stated positions on troop withdrawal, which involve a gradual and phased withdrawal of combat troops, with a residual force to stay in Iraq for the time being.

Local news stations have not confirmed the claim that Obama endorsed the three points of unity. Instead, both the Rocky Mountain News and the Denver Post are reporting that a meeting has been planned between IVAW and Obama's liaison for veterans' affairs.

Members of IVAW expressed pessimism of the Democrats as an antiwar party, noting that although they were elected in 2006 with an antiwar message, they have continually funded the wars.

"I really don't feel [Obama] is the antiwar candidate," said U.S. Army Specialist Sean Valdez, a new member of IVAW who served two tours of duty in Iraq. "It's so hard. You hear what he says and you want to believe it, but how many times have we been disappointed before this?"

"We're here as veterans, as soldiers, as marines, here to demand that the Democratic Party uphold to the front that they have as an antiwar party, and actually make a stand, and bring our soldiers home now," said 31-year-old Adrienne Kinnie, a member of IVAW who served in the U.S. Army and Army Reserves from 1994 to 2004.

In a juxtaposition that is becoming familiar in Denver, two worlds seemly unconnected are living side-by-side, only streets apart -- the polished Democratic showcase and the simultaneous protests in the parks and streets where the voices of ordinary people remain unheard by the Democratic dynasty.

While Sen. John Kerry addressed delegates about the Iraq War and veteran issues, outside the convention thousands of demonstrators were demanding that the Democrats take a firmer stance on ending the war and providing better treatment to U.S. military personnel and veterans. There was no mention of the large demonstration or the concerns of IVAW during the convention presentation inside Pepsi Center, although most of the speeches given throughout the night touched on the Iraq War and the military.

The Denver Police Department riot officers, looking as menacing as ever with their fingers on the triggers of their pepper ball guns, failed to corral the demonstrators into the so-called designed "free speech zone," located near 7th Street and Walnut Street, earlier in the afternoon when it left the Denver Coliseum after a Rage Against the Machine concert.

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WHAT ABOUT 'STILL' PRESIDENT BUSH ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 28, 2008 3:09 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm with these people 100%. But Obama is not the president. Making demands of him that he can't possible meet seems wrong. It's time for a major march on Washington DC and the bums who thought the war was such a bright idea to begin with. ANNA

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» RE: WHAT ABOUT 'STILL' PRESIDENT BUSH ? Posted by: photon's feather
NLG representing activists BEYOND the celebrity-inoculated AT&T GreenZone
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 28, 2008 3:14 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
the only thing corrupt MONEY & POWER have learned is to *create a perimeter* & prevent video documentation of events...
to create a 'GreenZone' of embedded media.

The AT&T Convention in Denver - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com gee, I wonder what happened to those 'wiretapping' issues?

so the footage of police civil abuses outside the AT&T GreenZone in Denver... funny how the 'Progressive Left' embedded on-air talent seems to ignore whatever goes on ... just beyond the PR perimeter??


Why are the Police Protecting Big Money from Public Scrutiny in Denver? - Jane Hamsher, FireDogLake reprinted | Rights & Liberties | AlterNet


Media Trapped at the DNC - Veracifier

Thank all that's holy... we are OUR OWN MEDIA:
Marshall McLuhan - The Media is the Message


simply brilliant: Cynthia McKinney at Recreate'68 in Denver at DNC'08 - RunCynthiaRun

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Police Trap Peaceful Protesters AT&T Democratic Convention in Denver
A calm political protest quickly turned chaotic as anxious police take out their toys

Shocking Video of Police Brutality Against Woman at DNC Protest - CodePink

FEAR THE PRETTY PACIFIST CHICK IN A PINK TUTU! Smack her in the throat with a baton! ...then haul her off as she testifies to Press"

MEANWHILE THE MAINSTREAM PRESS CHARACTERIZES PROTESTERS AS 'futile', 'puny', 'pathetically disgruntled Utopianists' or VIOLENTLY ATTACKING 'anarchists'...

"The Police Were Itching For A Fight" - DNC Protesters - TheUpTake Collective

SubMedia's Stimulator's DNC Dispatch: Day 3 - Pt.1 / Pt.2


"LET FREEDOM RING! was that just for those with corporate approval to peaceful assembly?

Dennis Kucinich: "Wake up America": Every day we get the color orange, while the oil companies, the insurance companies, the speculators, the war contractors get the color green"
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Show me the money
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 28, 2008 7:38 PM   
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US to reimburse Iraqi''s??? Are they kidding.. I'm still waiting for Iraqi government to start reimbursing us for the billions spent rebuilding that country AFTERT we got rid of Saddam. After all, Iraqi on Iraqi violence was the major cause of all the death and destruction...

Vets should get full benefits , improved medical care, education benefits etc... but I thought that bill passed?

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» RE: Show me the money Posted by: Karina
» RE: are you kidding? Posted by: thealltheone
Gee whiz
Posted by: Erin on Aug 29, 2008 5:07 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe I missed something in Obama's acceptance speech, but I did not hear him say anything that even closely resembled the IVAW's demands. And just for those of you that still don't get it, he will never endorse anything close to those points requested by the IVAW.He is not, never has been, and never will be the anti-war candidate.

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So much for Obama...
Posted by: Tombo on Aug 29, 2008 9:14 AM   
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So much for Obama's statement about opening the convention to everyone that wanted to come in, or was he talking about the Democratic party there?

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edgeofnowhere
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Aug 29, 2008 11:24 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is truly disheartening to see, on the one hand, Obama's inspirational speech to cheering crowds of supporters inside the arena, but on the other hand, one sees the protesters, veterans for peace, antiwar groups and even the Green Party presidential candidate relegated to fenced in "free speech cages." far from the convention. They are not, apparently, to be included in the "promise" of America. I will not be voting for Mr. Obama because, despite his oratorical and political skills, his record shows him to be a supporter of war and the military. He is supporting the very thing that is destroying our country, shredding the Constitution that was bought with so many lives and such sacrifice, and sucking the wealth of the nation into the coffers of the corporate war profiteers and financial crooks, while the average citizen pays the price for this travesty. VOTE GREEN!

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» RE: wake up! Posted by: thealltheone
» Take your own advice! Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: wake up! Posted by: bc430
Election Fibs
Posted by: johnjmccarthy on Aug 29, 2008 1:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anyone will say anything to get elected (or appointed as in the Supremes 5/4 vote to bring Bush to Washington) but by the time they are in office, all is forgotten, classified top secret, or ignored. No one has ever been booted from office for failing to produce as promised. Wake up Amerika!

The wars in Europe will continue until the entire underbelly of Russia is surrounded, all the way to China, paved with oil pipes feeding the black gold to Europe being paid for with US Dollars.

Unless, of course, Putin makes good on his word to fly Russian aircraft over the US Missile sites in Poland (to be constructed.)
Has he another choice? Of course, we understood why Russian Missiles in Cuba scared every American silly. US Missiles in Poland do the same for Russians. "Use em or lose em". The fly by will take place before completion of the site. That will be the only warning. Happy 2009.

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don't get some of these posters here...
Posted by: thealltheone on Aug 29, 2008 1:49 PM   
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Obama has nothing to do with how the state of Denver decides how to control security issues. Much less a crowd of 7000 protesters led by 100 military men. If you go to his web site you will see that he fully intends to end the Iraq war. ON record he was against it from the beginning. Unlike Hillary. He has stated many times that he is anti war and that war should only be a last resort in DEFENDING our country from a REAL threat. He believes in diplomacy and communication. He has a lot to fix and a lot of bridges to mend left crumbled by our current irresponsible greedy administration. Certainly light years better than McSame! Unlike the Code Pink protester at least the Denver police had enough respect for the military and ALLOWED (but I bet they were a worried) a member to get through and they did get a response! They left saluting the convention. I would call that a successful protest! So all we can do is wait and see or would you rather vote for McSame and have the certainty of more wars and a draft? Nothing can be changed over night. There is too much to fix!!! Get Obama in, stay on his ass, then work on true election reform, etc. so that some day we may all vote our true conscience.

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» How gullible you are! Posted by: photon's feather
Next Swearing In Will Be Jan.20, 2009
Posted by: bc430 on Aug 31, 2008 3:39 PM   
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WHAT ABOUT 'STILL' PRESIDENT BUSH ?
[Report this comment] [Ignore this user] Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 28, 2008 3:09 PM
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I'm with these people 100%. But Obama is not the president. Making demands of him that he can't possible meet seems wrong. It's time for a major march on Washington DC and the bums who thought the war was such a bright idea to begin with. ANNA

Is that too much to expect from strict constitutionalist, freedom loving, faith of our fathers, tee totlin, law abiding, praise the Lord, conservative republican federalists who just can't stand the thought of Obama the Constitutional Law Professor, Harvard Law Review PRESIDENT, not UPHOLDING the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION? BTW, what has John McCain ever been the "PRESIDENT" of? Other than a panty raid and booty call, what has John McCain ever led in his seventy two year old life?

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