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The Long War: How Many Iraqs and Afghanistans Lie Ahead?

By Andrew Bacevich, Tomdispatch.com. Posted August 14, 2008.


The Pentagonization of the United States shows no sign of slowing down.
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All you really need to know is that, at Robert Gates's Pentagon, they're still high on the term "the Long War." It's a phrase that first crept into our official vocabulary back in 2002, but was popularized by CENTCOM commander John Abizaid, in 2004 -- already a fairly long(-war-)time ago. Now, Secretary of Defense Gates himself is plugging the term, as he did in April at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, quoting no less an authority than Leon Trotsky:

"What has been called the Long War is likely to be many years of persistent, engaged combat all around the world in differing degrees of size and intensity. This generational campaign cannot be wished away or put on a timetable. There are no exit strategies. To paraphrase the Bolshevik Leon Trotsky, we may not be interested in the Long War, but the Long War is interested in us."

The Long War has also made it front and center in the new "national defense strategy," which is essentially a call to prepare for a future of two, three, many Afghanistans. ("For the foreseeable future, winning the Long War against violent extremist movements will be the central objective of the U.S.") If you thought for a moment that in the next presidency some portion of those many billions of dollars now being sucked into the black holes of Iraq and Afghanistan was about to go into rebuilding American infrastructure or some other frivolous task, think again. Just read between the lines of that new national defense strategy document where funding for future conventional wars against "rising powers" is to be maintained, while funding for "irregular warfare" is to rise. The Pentagonization of the U.S., in other words, shows no sign of slowing down. Here, by the way, is the emphasis in the new Gates Doctrine -- from a recent Pentagon briefing by the secretary of defense -- that should make us all worry. "The principal challenge, therefore, is how to ensure that the capabilities gained and counterinsurgency lessons learned from Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the lessons re-learned from other places where we have engaged in irregular warfare over the last two decades, are institutionalized within the defense establishment." Back to the future?

And here's a riddle for our moment: How long is a Long War, when you've been there before (as were, in the case of Afghanistan, Alexander the Great, the imperial Brits, and the Soviets)? On the illusions of victory and the many miscalculations of the Bush administration when it came to the nature of American military power, no one in recent years has been more incisive than Andrew Bacevich, who experienced an earlier version of the Long War firsthand in Vietnam. His new book, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism, has just been published. Short, sharp, to the point, it should be the book of the election season, if only anyone in power, or who might come to power, were listening. (The following piece, the first of two parts this week at Tomdispatch, is adapted from section three of that book, "The Military Crisis.") But if you want the measure of our strange, dystopian moment, Barack Obama reportedly has a team of 300 foreign policy advisers -- just about everyone ever found, however brain-dead, in a Democratic presidential rolodex -- and yet Bacevich's name isn't among them. What else do we need to know? -- Intro by TomDispatch editor Tom Engelhardt

Illusions of Victory

How the United States Did Not Reinvent War... But Thought It Did
By Andrew Bacevich

"War is the great auditor of institutions," the historian Corelli Barnett once observed. Since 9/11, the United States has undergone such an audit and been found wanting. That adverse judgment applies in full to America's armed forces.

Valor does not offer the measure of an army's greatness, nor does fortitude, nor durability, nor technological sophistication. A great army is one that accomplishes its assigned mission. Since George W. Bush inaugurated his global war on terror, the armed forces of the United States have failed to meet that standard.

In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, Bush conceived of a bold, offensive strategy, vowing to "take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans, and confront the worst threats before they emerge." The military offered the principal means for undertaking this offensive, and U.S. forces soon found themselves engaged on several fronts.

Two of those fronts --- Afghanistan and Iraq -- commanded priority attention. In each case, the assigned task was to deliver a knockout blow, leading to a quick, decisive, economical, politically meaningful victory. In each case, despite impressive displays of valor, fortitude, durability, and technological sophistication, America's military came up short. The problem lay not with the level of exertion but with the results achieved.


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Andrew Bacevich, professor of history and international relations at Boston University, retired from the U.S. Army with the rank of colonel. This piece is adapted from his new book, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism (Metropolitan Books, 2008).

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When Will We CUT the Military Budget ?
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 14, 2008 12:47 AM   
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Bacevich has written an excellent article analyzing the presumptuous Imperial expectations of our military and our politicians but why should we be talking about the military in terms of world domination instead in terms of homeland defense. Last I looked it was called the Department of Defense not the department of World Domination.

Both McCain and Obama have already commited to even larger military budgets. The Democrats in Congress have bent over backwards to fund any and all military projects, even those designed for the Cold War while adding expenditures not even asked for by the Pentagon.

As Progressives and Liberals it is time we stood up and demanded not just a freeze of our military budget but years of decreases in total real terms in the neighborhood of 40-50%.

Again here we sit already bargaining away our right to determine our military posture by not demanding decreases in military spending but by entering into the discussion on their terms, on their ground, not on our own. We need to demand cuts in military spending NOW!

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» When Will We CUT the Military Budget ? Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» Are you talking about Zimbabwe of Detroit, MI? Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» Well I don't know! Posted by: Krain61
The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy: Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 14, 2008 1:12 AM   
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Chalmers Johnson

"There are three broad aspects to the U.S. debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on "defense" projects that bear no relation to the national security of the U.S. We are also keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segment of the population at strikingly low levels.

Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures -- "military Keynesianism" (which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic). By that, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of the U.S. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs, an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing."

Demand Military Cuts !

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
A Desire Not to Die
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 14, 2008 2:59 AM   
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World hegemony leads to "full spectrum dominance" leads to push-back/desperate response by the victims, which is defined as "the long war". They know there will be 'the long war' because they know that their current actions and global desires create it.

The Long War is the response to the victim class expressing a desire not to die. --dboy

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Pariah Nation...is waking up
Posted by: Captainmagic on Aug 14, 2008 3:23 AM   
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To where they really are. But it is too..too late, for all those true Americans to push through all the crap that is served up as truth....Can I use your jaw dropping stupidity line Tom...can I say jaw dropping hipocracy....Iraq/Georgia..Could the Iraqi's tell the Georgians a thing or two about (needing help) from friends like Bu$hCo

Who next to recieve the special *help*

Watch how monkey boy sherrif tells the the Russians to "Bring it On" Why hasn't he used the banner of Nato to voice his concern....Don't worry all you Nato countries we will only use precision guided/Non D.U. rounds to give you back our oil...and we won't act unilaterally on mainland E.U. Yes.. Yes.. please. say's the E.U... can we have more of that special help. We would just love to lap that up...NOT

Purile yes, but just how it is.

The U.S.of A,s high moral ground is somewhere at the bottom of GW's mine shaft.

Captain OUT

P.S. Has anyone seen Fallujah lately?

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Personally, I don't give a damn about Iraq, but Afghanistan is a different matter.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 14, 2008 4:43 AM   
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Like Obama, I believe we must defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

How we do that, I haven't a clue. But I trust Barrack to find an expedient way of solving the problem.

One thing is certain. Unlike Unfit McCain, Senator Obama won't attack Iran.


*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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» Its not the language Posted by: gellero1
Brilliant analyis
Posted by: johngary on Aug 14, 2008 5:25 AM   
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A concise and brilliant analysis of the illusions that have resulted from our run away military-industrial-congressional complex.

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"the long war" = military occupation by the American Empire
Posted by: muktuk on Aug 14, 2008 6:03 AM   
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Like the European empires of the 20th century, the United States is having a tough time occupying small countries. "The War against Terrorism" is a simple minded euphemism that seeks to justify this occupation.

Just in case everyone has forgotten Usama bin Ladin's fatwa of the 23rd of February 1998, it was our occupation of "the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula" that was one of three facts that he used to issue this fatwa. The third fact (of OBL) was the murder of Muslims by the "Jewish petty state" (the occupation of Palestine by the IDF since the 1967 war).

This was al Qaeda's justification for 9/11. We were no more innocent victims of the 9/11 attacks than we were when the Japanese Empire attacked the American Empire military bases on the occupied Hawaiian Islands (and don't forget the Philippines et cetera).

al Qaeda knows our motivations better than most Americans: the control of petroleum production and transportation pipelines and sea routes, and to serve the interests of the state of Israel.

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Expansion of a Military Economy
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 14, 2008 6:11 AM   
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Half of the the American budget is devoted to defense spending and the economy would be in a real quandary without it. American political leaders would have to decide how to spent all the money freed up and since they believe in minimal government (except for defense, of course)they will face a real challenge. Possibly they could invest more in space travel to speed up our Mars program. Imagine the thrill of the average American, hungry or not, of witnessing such a stupendous technological accomplishment. If we are sufficiently fortuitous, we might encounter hostile aliens who would force us to spend more on defense again.

On the other hand, if the government has a problem in how to spend the money, they might turn to spending it on education, healthcare, infrastructure, and renewable forms of energy but with great reluctance.It might be a real struggle for them since they are stealing profits from the private sector. Maybe they could give a grant to the Chicago School of Economics for the purpose of revising their theories somewhat to acommodate this unexpected disaster (being forced to spend money on public programs and services). If there is a God, some group or nation will attack an American embassy or fire on an American ship so that the U.S. would be justified in taking over the world again.

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Answer: As Many As It Takes
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 14, 2008 6:16 AM   
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How many more Iraqs? As many as it takes to bankrupt this country. As many as it takes to make the people realize that it's just a giant mafia syndicate running a huge scam. They are only interested in sucking the marrow out of America until it is nothing more than a dried husk of a 3rd world country. Whether its Obama or McCain the same policies will continue.

It takes real work and real activism to turn this around. The idea that you can go pull a lever once a year or once every four years is one of the most heinous lies they have promoted. Real activism. I doubt many are going to be willing to devote their lives to that, at least until they no longer have anything to lose.

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The wars will continue
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 14, 2008 6:37 AM   
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as long as the international banks are willing to loan money to the federal government. Whenever they decide to say "no more", that will be the end of superpower USA.

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» Welcome the New Boss Posted by: edgar1
Just a cold war replecement...with more perks.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 14, 2008 7:09 AM   
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Come on all...

The "war on terror" is just the US's current replacement for the Cold War to assure their contractors make tons of money.

This one has perks in that they all get to test their new weapons systems on live targets !

And we get to pay for it all...now isn't that a nice arrangement?

Why do you think republicans are afraid of Obama? It could mean we have to start to play nice and spend our tax money at home helping Americans rather than spending it all destroying someone else's country.

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» The Oil War Posted by: JakobFabian01
Dockside
Posted by: rtmyth on Aug 14, 2008 7:57 AM   
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The power elite, who run the country, want and will continue to get continual wars until and unless the masses get organized and energized.

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» Absolutely! Posted by: rockpicker
British empire 2.0
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 14, 2008 8:02 AM   
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It's a long war because one thing most Americans can't stand, and have zero patience for, is something that is long, arduous and essentially beneficial to foreignors. So, to call it a long war gets automatic switch-off from just the utter exhausation of the concept. And that's perfect, because it means global battlespace dominance can carry on like a hum in the background. Most will just tune it out like we tune out the million other little noises in our lives. It's there, but it's not there.

You will only ever notice if you happen to be in some slum in a third world hell hole and little robots like straight out of Minority Report try to rip your nuts off while you sleep with some hottie for 20 bucks. Otherwise, life will carry on as per normal: SNAFU.

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Coolness
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 14, 2008 8:06 AM   
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I am wondering why we are still wasting money in either place when we have so many of our own problems.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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» Here's why Posted by: gellero1
Long War and Domestic Funds
Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 14, 2008 8:07 AM   
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Isnt this great! Lets look at the hypocrisy of our society and government yet again.

The long War is constant fighting for a while to come. By 2040 the budget is going to encompass solely Medicare and Retirement (Social Security). Someone has got to stop right? Absolutely and since the government could careless about its own people, who do you think it will be, that will get stopped? Not the war, no not the war...

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So what are we fighting for?
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 14, 2008 8:40 AM   
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Or rather what will we be fighting for? As all our resources and finances get sucked into the military and the common person grows steadily poorer with declining education, health, or employment, as our infrastructure collapses and crime increases, as a wider and wider disparity grows between rich and poor, what will be our incentive to continue fighting foreign wars? That we should suffer for the benefit of the rest of the world? That we should suffer to support a military that enriches a few? That we should support death and destruction as a solution to world problems? Hell, no! Gates may have his twisted views along with the pentagon, but eventually this sleeping giant of American people is going to say enough of this rubbish. We have been hoodwinked into believing that war is a solution for too long, now that we are severely suffering on account of such policies, expect some serious re thinking.

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Americans fear the government......and everyone else too
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 14, 2008 8:47 AM   
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We can complain about the military industrial complex all day. The fact remains Americans are terrified of their government and fear being imprisoned, tortured, murdered or having their livelihood destroyed much more than they do living under global imperialism and its many negative ramifications. This country has over 500 military bases, some undisclosed, all over this planet. Why? What are we doing in other people's countries? I know what we're doing. We're stealing and killing but we have no right to do so.

This is disease of white power. I'm not saying that if other races were in power, meaning they had the most and most powerful weapons, that they also would not become drunk with power but recent history does not demonstrate that. It seems as though whites are particularly vulnerable to becoming drunk with power because they are more intimidated by people of different cultures and colors. Now it isn't so much about color for the elite as it is greed and desire for control. Our planet is headed straight into oblivion and all Americans can do is sign internet petitions and complain on Washington Journal. That won't change anything.

The elite listen to one thing and one thing only: force. We cannot buy them out. We cannot appeal to their higher sense of being because they do not have one. The only thing we can do is use our numbers, in which we have a huge advantage, and physically force them out of power via violent revolution if necessary. This system of rankism by which people gradually gain power over others by accumulation of wealth over time must be ended. Capitalism is their weapon against us but they could as easily use socialism. No system of government or economics is good or evil. It's the lack of morality of leaders that determines that.

As long as Americans continue to believe the lies of the mainstream media, to allow corporations to distract us with consumerism, to allow them to divide us on race, gender, religion and sexuality, to pretend that everything is ok when it's not and to just hope someone else is going to fix these problems, we will continue this spiral of death toward the inevitable. Each person has to take individual responsibility for this mess and stop fearing reprisal from the government. The alternative is to allow a global police state in which we all will have much more to fear than we have now.

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
Crap
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 14, 2008 9:27 AM   
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To claim that the US military lacks in strength or any other attribute necessary to smash the living crap out of its adversaries is bullshit.

The idea of the military industrial complex is to make war. Period. To be at war perpetually is a form of economic sustenance that the US will not give up. Look at our history: have we ever been without a war for very long? hell, no. War sustains big business - everything from the auto industry to food, booze, clothing, you name it.

The US doesn't want peace and can't sustain itself in peacetime.

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» RE: Crap Posted by: beautifulady2003
Don't know...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Aug 14, 2008 9:39 AM   
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...If the election of Obama will turn the US away from imperialismfascism, but it is certain that McCain will not.

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» LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Posted by: gellero1
Grannies for government
Posted by: logic on Aug 14, 2008 9:53 AM   
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Replace all the world leaders with post menopause women. You would have world peace and thriving economies almost overnite.It is in the male nature to aggress and you elect them and are surprised at the outcome. Again, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is folly.

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» RE: Grannies for government Posted by: bvconway
» Go tell it to the Arabs !!! Posted by: gellero1
There's only so many defenseless little countries ---
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 14, 2008 10:19 AM   
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like Iraq that we can work over relatively easy and steal the resources without taking on a real Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines. Haven't we had enough practice jerking these little California size principalities around and isn't it time to confront the big boys like Russia, China and India.

Maybe we should invade Russia as they are the second major oil producing country in the world and besides they are laying the law down in Georgia and Ossetia - while the Russians are occupied to this extent we should go and steal their oil like we are Iraq.

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» You can do better than that. Posted by: gellero1
There has to be a payoff for a long war
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 14, 2008 10:36 AM   
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In 1979 and 1980, candidate Reagan purportedly sent his guy to the Ayatollah Khomeini with a cake and a Bible as presents. He cut a separate foreign policy deal: the Ayatollah would hold onto the embassy staff until the day Reagan got in. At least that's how events turned out. These tidbits came out in the Iran/Contra scandal if you want to Wikipedia incident. The U.S. has managed to fear and hate Iran ever since.

In the 1980s the neocons invented the "Salvador Option". The U.S. trained death squads at Fort Benning, GA, who went home and killed anyone within 10 miles of a union member or opposition party politician. They killed a bishop right on his altar too. It, uh, "worked". The difference between tinhorn governments, death squads and coke kingpins has been miniscule ever since from Mexico down through Columbia, with the exception of pacifist Costa Rica. No army, no death squad to train.

Increasingly drunk Junior Bush and his handlers are now trying the Salvador Option in Iraq. Mass murder on all sides. 2.5 million refugees. We have all the receipts.

This is such a long war that your great grandfather paid for and may have fought too. Teddy Roosevelt invented "Panama" in order to sieze the canal area from Colombia. The CIA murdered foreign politicians in your grandfather's day and in your father's day too.

The payoff was in bananas. Sugar cane, slave labor from generation to generation without end. One reason the U.S. despised Castro is that we needed to repress the global slave revolt. What if everyone else declared bankruptcy on their dictator's huge debts?

Then it became more about oil. If a country like Rwanda slaughters a million people, why would the U.S. care? We only care about tiny oil-rich countries that we originally created out of whole cloth for financial purposes, such as Kuwait.

Two winters ago, the President of Venezuela started subsidizing oil shipments to America's poor. Is he a foreigner manipulating America's politics? Yes he is.

Somehow I expect the price of oil to slowly drop (after going sky high) until exactly November 4, 2008. Are we getting our chain jerked by our foreign masters? You bet! Payoff time is next spring.

Yes, there has to be a payoff for a 100 year war, and now the money is gone. Your children are going to be the stooges. The money's all gone. It's time for the foreign rich to play hardball with America. Our money's all gone abroad.

Its time for our red-blooded American lieutenants and Colonels to pay lip service to "freedom" as they learn the art of being domestic death squad leaders for a consistently election-rigging junta owned by the foreign kings. Stooges? Shame of their forefathers? Bishop-shooting anti-Christians? Private armies like Blackwater here to do anyone's bidding on American soil? Why not? Those are the rules of the money game.

It's payback time. God please help us all.

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IMPORTANT NOTICE: Fight back against Jerome Corsi's smear campaign against Obama
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 14, 2008 11:26 AM   
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I just got an email from the DNC that said the following:

Join the DNC Rapid Response Team
As Democrats, we need to be prepared with the truth about John McCain and the Republicans.

Sign up for the DNC Rapid Response Team now so you can help fight smears, spread the truth, and take positive action.


Here is the link: Fight back against Scumbag Corsi

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Americans Don't Seem To Realise That Killing People in Foreign Lands Makes People Very Unhappy
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 14, 2008 12:06 PM   
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Not just the Survivors of The Families Killed.

But The Soldiers actually doing the Killing.

Now whilst I can appreciate the Adrenaline Rush of a Soldier in a Fire Fight where he survives and kills the enemy, that is not the end of it.

I met a British soldier of about 28 a few years ago at a party. His regiment went into Iraq before the War had officially started.

He was proud of the very Professional Job he had done. He came home without a scratch.

And then in the middle of this party - it was a Pimps and Tarts Party - he broke down into uncontrollable sobbing. I just put my arms around him and cried with him.

You may not realise this - but the Falklands war was almost totally perceived as a Just War by the vast majority of British People. The Argentines invaded British Islands and our Armed Forces ejected them.

Yet more British Soldiers involved, subsequently committed suicide than were killed in action.

War is not nice.

Don't do it.

Make Peace, Make Love - and Do Something Useful to make your own Country Beautiful.

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Hey Obama: We said "Bring Our Troops Home" not "Send Our Troops Further East"
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM   
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Any "peacekeeping" mission in Afghanistan should be run by the UN.

While the people of Afghanistan do seem to want help, sending a bunch of heavily traumatized and heavily armed American boys over there will probably just add to negative views of the US. The things that the United Nations is doing in Afghanistan are more helpful, and have more legitimacy.

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» RE: We're not there to keep the peace !!! Posted by: beautifulady2003
» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
The hubris of Empire!
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 14, 2008 1:22 PM   
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Mr. Bacevich has done a very good job of pointing out the fallacy of the current mindset of this Mis-Administration and their cronies. One should think that after watching the Soviets in Afghanistan (you know how long it took them to realize that they were not going to win!), we might have learned a lesson.

For all of the money that is pumped into the "Defense Dept." budget (that ultimately goes into the pockets of greedy contractors), for so-called modernization, it does appear that they have yet to conquered the sandstorms with their technology! The supposed "adults" think that the U.S. military are their own little private G.I.Joe set that they can do with as they please. These are real men and women, with families that love them. They were sent over there because of a lie, and if we don't watch out they will be sent to Iran, because of another lie! Time to bring them home!

As most of them had "other things to do" when it was their time (Viet Nam), that cabal should be sent over there with a few AK's, and see how it really is?

And can someone tell me what "winning" looks like? As I understood the "surge" was to give the Iraqi's a little breathing room to (a)train an Iraqi army, and (b)allow the government a chance to come together politically. So now that they want us to leave, why are we staying to "win", and what are "we winning"!

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Wars make Money......
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 14, 2008 2:08 PM   
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As long as we continue to let the Government/industrial/military complex run things we'll always be fighting someone somewhere. It may be low intensity or high but there will always be war. Nothing stimulates a rich man's economy better than selling 100,000
cruise missles at 1.5 million a pop,and that is what it's all about,making money off of creating misery for some poor soul somewhere else. We all want change but are afraid to make it. Let's do something really diffrent, Think outside the system!! Go to
www.myspace.com/jeffrey1776
look at the blog called 'The P.O.T. party,read the platform and ask yourself,' Can we really get by without a huge defense budget?".
if you're the kind of person that gets put off by names that seem radical,don't go there.
That platform is for folks that are sick of business as usual politics and want responsible governance by folks that want your Freedom and liberty restored and make the bastards that are poisoning our environment apy for their sins with Healthcare.
Write-in Jeffrey7 for Prez '08

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» Defense budgets Posted by: fanny666
Interesting Comparison
Posted by: vivachavez on Aug 14, 2008 2:24 PM   
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What did Rome, the British Empire, and Napoleonic France all have in common besides being dominant global empires? NONE OF THEM WERE DEMOCRACIES!!!

Not only does permanent war serve to transfer wealth from the common person to politically powerful and connected contractors, it allows the government to stifle dissent and distract the populace from the fact that its infrastructure is crumbling, its economy is collapsing, and that most corporation doing business there pay no taxes.

A large military is a threat to democracy- Jefferson had it right. How he must be turning over in his grave.

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Why is it........
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Aug 14, 2008 2:50 PM   
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that supposedly astute political analysts can write that:

"In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, Bush conceived of a bold, offensive strategy, vowing to 'take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans, and confront the worst threats before they emerge.'"

Really now, does anyone actually believe that George Bush could conceive any kind of strategy whatsoever? The man is not intellectually capable of organizing a child's birthday party, let alone conceiving bold strategies. No, this "strategy" was conceived by the Neocon PNAC gang, administered through Cheney. Bush was, and is, merely a sock puppet. And how is it that the author, in all his wisdom, cannot accept the fact that 9/11 -- the very raison d'etre for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- was planned and carried out by those same Neocon PNAC operatives that now occupy the highest offices of the government and military?
To put forward 9/11 as the result of a rag-tag bunch of boxcutter wielding CIA patsies from Saudi Arabia who "accidentally" circumvented the highest levels of security in the world, is just ridiculous! If we cannot face the reality of 9/11 and its monstrous implications for our form of government, then we will not survive as a democratic republic. Instead, we will tread the dark road of fascism and militarism to the bitter end.

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» RE: Why is it........ Posted by: VZEQICVA
» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
America - welcome to your future
Posted by: wolfgangmo75 on Aug 14, 2008 3:28 PM   
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This article will be your childs, your grandchilds and the rest of your descendants future.

Consider either leaving or taking over.

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Dwight D. Eisenhower
Posted by: modeler on Aug 14, 2008 5:37 PM   
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He warned the US of those who are now calling the shots. The irony is that he was a soldiers soldier contrary to the ruling clique who profit from war and violence but were never involved in fighting other than political shenanigans. SOBs all.

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Re: The long war. And how many more.
Posted by: bobtr900 on Aug 15, 2008 8:07 AM   
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The Bushies, their Neocons and their Theocons will keep doing these 'wars of ideology' until something really stops them. I don't think we the people can stop them. It will have to be something like the total or near total destruction/ collapse of our economy.

That kind of impending event will scare the hell out of them, and for a time will stop or at least slow them down. As soon as, and if, the economy recovers they will then begin anew on their quest for ideology, be it business ideology or religious ideology.

Ideology just always seem to trump reality. It most certainly trumps human values. Neither Big Business nor Big Religion cares one damn bit about human values. Their only goal is their self perpetuation and further aggrandizement.

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» Ooops, I hit the wrong button Posted by: bobtr900
Abolish the 21st Century
Posted by: 8 nontheist on Aug 15, 2008 3:54 PM   
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Is it too late to cancel the 21st century & the new milenium? How about saying that the 21st century & the new milenium were cancelled because of a universal lack of interest?
The new milenium & 21st century started badly & is getting much worse as each nanosecond passes. This is 1 of those times to remember, if at 1st you don't succeed, forget about it; it was a lousy idea in the 1st place. Call off the project to cut the mamouth lossess Don't continue throwing good money in this hopelessly bad, doomed to immediate failure, poorly conceived boondoggle.
Destroy the drawing board & the CAD computers to avoid a useless try at redesigning this failed virtual abortion. Turn off the life support. The monitors shows that this monster is brain dead & has been brain dead since Jan 1, 2001. Do not rescitate or even think of it.

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It is a sad state of affairs when we don't 'give a damn about Iraq
Posted by: cori on Aug 15, 2008 4:24 PM   
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You should give a damn considering the US is sitting on the 2nd biggest oil deposit in the world and are sucking us dry at the pump while oil companies are making record profits and dont pay taxes. You shouuld give a damn because If you watch the documentary on Comcast on demand IRAQ FOR SALE: THE WAR PROFITEERS you will be shocked and enraged at how corrupt this war is and to what extent they are rapping our tax dollars. We have joined the ranks of those nations that feel that human beings are expendable. After murdering tens of thousands of men, women and children for oil we have some nerve telling Russia they should not invade Georgia. Maybe you feel safe because you are not the one in a hundred that is in prison in our nation, now a growth industry, or you are not one of the 40 million homeless in this nation who are Americans who can just die in the gutter. The trouble is we have lowered the humanitarian bar so low here that millions live in dire poverty and without health insurance and we don't give a damn. One has to wonder if we are really worthy of Democracy. And by the way if McCain gets in you can kiss our Democracy goodbye. If you like Bush you will love McCain. Lean more about him on Truthout .org

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YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY. THE NEXT STEP IS THE ABOLITON OF THE PENTAGON AND
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 17, 2008 11:07 AM   
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replacing it with contractors. They intend to outsource all forms of war. It's even more profitable that way. I would suggest that Ghengis Khan was more efficient. He cut out the middle men.

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The American Ghandhi..in congo!
Posted by: govindas on Aug 17, 2008 8:32 PM   
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While Americans are usually despised for their violence,look at this young American project in congo:an edenic village of organic produce,after the horror of genocide:
http://workingvillages.org

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It's all about Full Spectrum Dominence .
Posted by: Kahoneez on Aug 17, 2008 8:35 PM   
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It's similar to how Debeers has done business, they are not content with huge profits in the Diamond business, they want to CRUSH the competition, whether it's a small discovery in Arkansas, they have the political power to eliminate or countless wars in Africa they have bankrolled, that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands .
Some people think it's a wacky conspiracy, when you point out they (Pentagon )are developing LASER technology, turning the planet into a GRID to where they can fire at any, ANY target on the planet , It's a Fact .
And of course it's not about defense weaponry . it's about weapons of MASS CONTROL and eliminating challengers to complete control of the planet .
And Who or what are the challenges to mass control, anybody wishing to maintain their sovereignty , anybody not wanting to live under control of the U.S. From AFRICOM where they deviously assign U.S. military to handle " civilian aid " , but Africans know better , being very familiar with Imperialism , TO the militarization of the middle east. In reality it's to set bases, for control of oil, oil pipelines, or oil transit routes and of course COBALT needed for Cell Phones and the cutting off china from Africa .
Unfortunately Americans won't benefit from the new Resource War , CORPORATIST/PENTAGON will always control the supplies that they take over , from Invasions and occupations . Because one thing NEVER, NEVER changes ...."THE COST OF WAR IS SOCIALIZED AND THE PROFITS ARE PRIVATIZED " aND EVEN RIGHT WING SCHMUCKS ARE TO IGNORANT TO REALIZE THAT , SO JOHNNY KEEPS MARCHING ON .

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selrahc1
Posted by: selrahc1 on Aug 18, 2008 11:23 AM   
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In the comments I have read, most writers seem to ignore the subject of mental fitness in the mind of the person they are talking about. If it is possible to elect a person to high office, federal, state, or local, who has noticeable symptoms of a critical mental defect, I am surprised that so many observers and commentators are silent when the defectiveness of the mind is so obvious, almost as it it doesn't matter. I think this says a lot about the commentator, whatever he or she says about their object person. Beyond the mental fitness of a single person is the distinct possibility of groups of similarly afflicted persons who have joined together. Doesn't it make good sense to have psychological-mental tests to protect nations against destructive candidates? Corporations already apply such tests as an important form of protection. Screening people before giving them dangerous powers is merely common sense.

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