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Afghanistan: Iraq All Over Again

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted August 5, 2008.


We did not invade Afghanistan to help the Afghan people. So why are so many progressives buying into that myth?
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Monday's New York Times ran an article that drew dark parallels to the news out of Iraq. "Ragtag Taliban Show Tenacity in Afghanistan," read the headline, the latest in a stream of similar dispatches, which come on the heels of a Pentagon report forecasting heightened violence in the country. It appears that regrouped and reinforced fighters known as the Taliban are proving a formidable opponent for the U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan -- ground zero, supposedly, of the so-called "War on Terror." Here in the United States, this has prompted what the Times describes as a "fresh round of soul-searching" over the conflict. But the question being grappled with, according to the article -- "how a relatively ragtag insurgency has managed to keep the world's most powerful armies at bay" -- is all too familiar; it is identical, in fact, to the question asked about the resistance in Iraq, which turned the mission from a "cakewalk" into a bloodbath. Nearly seven years into the war on Afghanistan -- and five years into the war on Iraq -- has it occurred to anyone that maybe we're asking the wrong question?

Afghanistan was a frustrating topic of conversation on last week's episode of "Meet the Bloggers," not because of my fellow panelists -- Baratunde Thurston and Roberto Lovato -- or the guest of the week -- the sharp-witted Rachel Maddow -- but because so many people have apparently settled upon a disconcertingly simple answer to what is an impossibly complex question. As the show proceeded, we ran an online poll: Should we send more troops to Afghanistan? The result: Some 60 percent of respondents watching -- a mostly progressive crowd -- said "yes." This closely mirrors a recent USA Today/Gallup Poll, which found that a majority of Americans favor taking troops out of Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan.

Online, those who voted "yes" provided some insights:

"We went to Afghanistan for the purpose of capturing Osama bin Laden and disbanding the Taliban that was providing him with a base," wrote one person, who complained that "this discussion seems to be premised on an assumption that our effort in Afghanistan has morphed into a war on Afghanistan." (Perhaps the commenter is unaware of the scale of civilian casualties we have inflicted.) Another reminded us that "we are discussing a country with people that are terrorized by groups of extremists. … It is our job as one of the strongest powers to help them and show them a way out of the living in fear and in poverty." On the question of sending troops, another asked, "How can you nation-build, destroy poppie (sic) growing, and defeat the Taliban without troops, when we know they terrorize the citizens, and have no qualms about killing people?"

There's something sadly familiar here, an echo of the old rationale for invading -- and then sending more troops to -- Iraq. The assumption is that the mission is an inherently noble one: that we are there to "help" the Afghan people. On the show, Maddow short-handedly characterized the mission as many Americans might: one that will help Afghanistan become a "normal" country. But -- shelving the discussion of what "normal" is -- Afghanistan was not a quote-unquote normal country long before 9/11, and Americans weren't exactly taking to the streets demanding an invasion to take out the Taliban then. For all the self-congratulatory rhetoric about the original defeat of the Taliban, the fleeting victory by U.S.-led forces did little to achieve real change for Afghan people.

Those who support sending troops into Afghanistan either understand that the original invasion was a revenge attack for 9/11 -- and consider the mission justified -- or else truly believe that U.S.-led occupying forces have a chance of stabilizing a country that has been ravaged by war and occupation for decades while also rooting out the U.S.-hating terrorists who reside there. Barack Obama, we are to believe, falls into the latter camp. He has promised to withdraw troops from Iraq to send tens of thousands more to Afghanistan. In his New York Times op-ed, "My Plan for Iraq," he wrote, "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there," and he called the plan "a new strategy." But is this really a "new strategy"? Isn't it simply the Democrats' version of the Tough on Terror stance, dusted off in the service of the presidential election?


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Bush blew it in Afghanistan. So what do we do now?
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 AM   
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President Bush blew it when our troops had Bin Laden and his boys cornered in Bora Bora.
Imagine where we would be today if the hunt for Osama had not been outsourced to Afghan war lords, assuming a different, non-neocon administration?

Probably no Al Qaida and most likely no Iraq War after a Republican Guard uprising financed by U.S. dollars took out Saddam Hussein. But that didn't happen. So tragically, we are stuck in the here-and-now.

It does no good for White House critics such as Liliana Segura to throw out unsupported statements like, "It's time to stop and ask ourselves why we insist on defending the worst kind of posturing out of fealty to an electoral process as morally bankrupt and intellectually impoverished as ours."

I think it's only fair to counter her allegation with, "Just HOW morally bankrupt and intellectually impoverished is America's electoral process?"

But we don't have time for futile debates like that. The war in Afghanistan is a real world calamity that deserves real world thinking, not hyperbole and ideological assertions.

I think the truth is, NO ONE knows how to deal with Afghanistan.

To find the answer, Congress should convene a nonpartissn brain-storming conference in Washington, DC, of experts on Afghan society, infrastructure, military operations, etc., and arrive at a consensus solution.

Because Barrack Obama is an extremely intelligent man, I think he might use that type of problem-solving technique in the White House -- the same kind that enabled us to emerge victorious from WWII.

Conversely, if John McCain wins in November, the situation in Afghanistan will only get worse.

For other reasons why McCain should not become our 44th U.S. president, visit my nonprofit Web site, www.UnfitMcCain.com.

One of the arguments summarizes my investigation of "Songbird" McCain's behavior as a POW in North Vietnam. The facts-check shows he distorted his so-called "heroic" war record and exploited it for political gain. Part of the information is based on my recent communications with a former POW.

If you agree with my findings and love America, please ask your friends and family to visit UnfitMcCain.com.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican and former McCain supporter.

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» In my 1/8 acre garden... Posted by: buffeliscious
» RE: Bora Bora Posted by: Dboy
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None of us have the time, energy or money to wait for Islam ...
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 5, 2008 3:14 AM   
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to become like us. It is as simple as that. It will not happen in my lifetime, if not ever. So it is much better to use the Reaper drones to keep an eye on terrorist hot spots and strike when necessary. Otherwise, leave these countries alone to live how they want. If they want to pray all day and walk around a medieval world, that's really their business. It is only the west's business if another attack comes from there. But like I said, a Reaper can do the job.

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Bush's Insane Strategy
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 5, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Bush & Cheney needed Osama bin Laden alive to serve as the excuse for their drive toward dictatorship. That's why they turned away from Afghanistan to Iraq. Besides, Bush hated Saddam Hussein for trying to assassinate his father. But now that the conquest of Iraq is almost complete, what excuse can they use now? Ah! The Depression, of course, also part of Bush & Cheney's corporate agenda, which is also failing as company profits disappear when millions of their customers have no money to buy the products.

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Obama will cave
Posted by: herronsmith on Aug 5, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Excellent post and one I support. Unfortunately, Barack Obama needs a war to win the hearts and minds of those idiots who believe the mark of a good leader is his ability to play war games. It is such macho bullshit and will only continue with the choices we have picked. I suspect one day soon Dennis Kucinich will be the one everyone runs to for advise and leadership but by then it will be too late.
Where in the Democratic handbook does it say you have to squat with the Republicans to get elected? It is pathetic how Obama has shifted from his somewhat progressive views to almost sitting in the lap of McCain. At least Hillary was upfront about her position. I don't see good things happening in the next few years until we clean out Congress. It is way past time for term-limits.

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Wrong, in part, on Afghanistan
Posted by: brunowe on Aug 5, 2008 6:48 AM   
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"The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under (the U.N. Charter) because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not 'armed attacks' by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States."

The fact that the attacks were illegal under jus in bello doesn't mean that they weren't armed attacks. The two phrases aren't mutuall exclusive. The purpose of the requirement for an "armed attack" is to distinguish such actions from economic sanctions or other actions that don't involve deadly force.

Although revenge may have been a gut motive for going into Afghanistan, the justification wasn't just 9/11. From its Afghan base, al-Qaida did the 1998 embassy attacks, the 2000 attack on the USS Cole and 9/11. In 1998, bin-Laden stated that it was the duty of Muslims to kill Americans wherever the opportunity existed. Thus, we were dealing with a sequence of armed attacks and the clear threat of more.

The Taliban not only failed to take action to stop this but also benefitted from the alliance. Specifically from whatever money bin-Laden could bring in and from the presence of his partisans on the front against the Northern Alliance. Afghanistan thus allied with, and provided a base of operations for, al-Qaida's attacks on the United States, giving us a casus belli.

Having said that, it is also true that the exception has swallowed the rule here. Dealing with al-Qaida in Afghanistan required military action. To label the entire struggle against Islamist militants as a "war", however, was clearly a propaganda ploy used to justify all manner of sins, including an unconstitutional use of executive power. For the most part, this is a matter of police and intelligence operations. The fact that Afghanistan is an exceptional case doesn't change that.

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» AUMF Posted by: brunowe
They are stupid, that's why.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 5, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Afghanistan,a country we helped get rid of the Russian Army by selling guns and SAM missles to their fighters..the Taliban and Bin Ladin's group that became 'the Evil Ones'. They also had another problem we helped them with...becoming the World's biggest opium producer and exporter. They were number 3 until we 'invaded'. Within six months they were on top of that market. Just like we did in Vietnam with the CIA's "Air America' program and Columbia's coke network in 'Iran/Contra back in the 80's.
We are'nt refocusing our efforts in Afghanistan we're making it the new distraction. We quit looking for Bin Ladin and focused on,of course, the Taliban and opium exporting.
Why do the Tribes and country folks not trust American motives in this new directive? Because in the 80's we promised them a few things in exchange for getting the Red-Out. Simple things like paved roads,in-house electricity,flush toilets,telephone services and the internet. Just like the American Indians,our government screwed them over too.
We have wars because our Foriegn Policy is basically ' You're my Friend as long as I have a use for you and when that's done I'll screw you raw." This is how our government works and will continue to do so. Until we stop them.
WRITE-IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
www.myspace.com/jeffrey1776

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» RE: You are stupid Posted by: 876
» RE: How old are you? Posted by: jeffrey7
it is a race war and the anglosaxons msut be defeated in afganistan where they started taliban.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 5, 2008 8:12 AM   
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why must america and britain n be punished for starting taliban and other extremists way back in 10s much before soviets were invited into afganistan?
why shoudl britain and america not be mo=bombed into submission when thse two countries have harboured chechnian terrorists?-this is on the same logic as of taliban being punished for harboring osam bin laden.

Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jul 16, 2008 8:28 AM


""
There was a point in Afghanistan's tortured history when the future looked bright, when a determined effort to lift the country and its people out of backward agrarian feudalism almost succeeded.

It began with the formation of the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) back in the sixties, which opposed the autocratic rule of King Zahir Shar. The growth in popularity of the PDPA eventually led to them taking control of the country in 1978, after a coup removed the former Kings' cousin, Mohammed Daud, from power.

The coup enjoyed popular support in the towns and cities, evidenced in reports carried in US newspapers. The Wall Street Journal, no friend of revolutionary movements, reported at the time that '150,000 persons marched to honour the new flagthe participants appeared genuinely enthusiastic.' The Washington Post reported that 'Afghan loyalty to the government can scarcely be questioned.

Upon taking power, the new government introduced a program of reforms designed to abolish feudal power in the countryside, guarantee freedom of religion, along with equal rights for women and ethnic minorities. Thousands of prisoners under the old regime were set free and police files burned in a gesture designed to emphasise an end to repression. In the poorest parts of Afghanistan, where life expectancy was 35 years, where infant mortality was one in three, free medical care was provided. In addition, a mass literacy campaign was undertaken, desperately needed in a society in which ninety percent of the population could neither read nor write.

The resulting rate of progress was staggering. By the late 1980s half of all university students in Afghanistan were women, and women made up 40 percent of the country's doctors, 70 percent of its teachers, and 30 percent of its civil servants. In John Pilger's 'New Rulers Of The World' (Verso, 2002), he relates the memory of the period through the eyes of an Afghan woman, Saira Noorani, a female surgeon who escaped the Taliban in 2001. She said: "Every girl could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked. We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian movies. It all started to go wrong when the mujaheddin started winning. They used to kill teachers and burn schools. It was sad to think that these were the people the West had supported."

Under the pretext that the Afghan government was a Soviet puppet, which was false, the then Carter Administration authorised the covert funding of opposition tribal groups, whose traditional feudal existence had come under attack with these reforms. An initial $500 million was allocated, money used to arm and train the rebels in the art in secret camps set up specifically for the task across the border in Pakistan. This opposition came to be known as the mujaheddin, and so began a campaign of murder and terror which, six months later, resulted in the Afghan government in Kabul requesting the help of the Soviet Union, resulting in an ill-fated military intervention which ended ten years later in an ignominious retreat of Soviet military forces and the descent of Afghanistan into the abyss of religious intolerance, abject poverty, warlordism and violence that has plagued the country ever since.

Brzezinski confirms: "Yes.

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dirty hands of anglosaxons all over-let those dirty greedy hands be cut! in afganistan .
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 5, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Zbigniew Brzezinski revealed a hidden Fact that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the public and American Congress that President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilize" the Soviet Union...
The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

These people were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.
Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, In Pakistan; they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.


As America teetered on the brink of entering World War II, Charles A. Lindbergh gave a fateful speech that did more damage to the America First movement for peace than all the propagandistic efforts of the pro-war groups he named in Des Moines that day. In his oration, the great aviator and American hero sought to define who and what had brought us to the point of no return:

"The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish, and the Roosevelt administration.

"Behind these groups, but of lesser importance, are a number of capitalists, Anglophiles, and intellectuals who believe that the future of mankind depends upon the domination of the British empire. Add to these the Communistic groups who were opposed to intervention until a few weeks ago, and I believe I have named the major war agitators in this country."

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» Jimmy the Peanut Warmonger Posted by: edgar1
I am so god damned tired of reading about . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Aug 5, 2008 9:16 AM   
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Bin Laden being involved in the 911 attacks.
No proof of that has ever been produced. Just like all the manufactured evidence about Iraq WMDs,
the videos of Bin Laden were obvious fakes.
The first one had Bin Laden writing with his right hand and wearing a gold ring. Bin Laden is left handed and Muslims do not wear gold rings. The last video looked too professional in the lighting and video quality. I suspect it was produced through the film industries' lastest morphing and animation techniques.
Disney Corporation could handle that easily.
They must have had trouble with the beard, however. They made it black instead of gray.

So our attack on Afganistan was done without any proof. The Bush Administration doesn't need
any stinkin proof. They just need the media to keep repeating their lies.

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» Get used to it Posted by: brunowe
» you get used to it . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Pure BS Posted by: brunowe
» put up or shut up . . . Posted by: dustdevil
Taliban were ousted by Northern Alliance not the US
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Aug 5, 2008 9:21 AM   
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It is disturbing to me to notice how many of our brilliant intellectuals miss this not so subtle point about the war on Afghanistan.

This war has been and continues to be a war over the Unocal's oil pipeline and a strategic positioning of US bases high up on the Hindu Kush plateau to surround China and Russia. The Afghan legendary freedom fighter General Ahmad Shah Masoud succeeded in ousting the Taliban from the capital Kabul before any US airplane dropped bombs on the Taliban forces. The US military went in purely for a barbaric revenge & slaughter of mostly innocent Afghans. The CIA’s crimes and brutality have been well documented since the US invasion despite opposition from Northern Alliance’s leader General Masoud.

Afghans asked for US military and financial assistance to stabilize the nation and strengthen its own national defenses but were denied that request because that was never the US agenda for Afghanistan. Ahmad Shah Masoud the defacto leader of Afghanistan was somehow associated two days before the commencement of the US bombardment of that country.

The United State ignored the Afghans and allowed the brutal Pakistani ISI to deal with the Taliban insurgency. Pakistan armed the so called Mujahedin after the Soviet withdrawal in 1991 to fight the Afghan popular national government. Pakistani ISI armed and financed the religious student movement so called the Taliban and committed atrocities against the people and nation of Afghanistan that made the red army look like angels. Pakistan was only interested in her own geopolitical agenda. With its war with India, Pakistan was and still is looking to expand into Afghan territories.

I fail to understand the role of Osama Bin Laden and why he is still in Afghanistan alive and well after Mr. Bush promised to catch him 7 years ago? It is funny that even our well educated folks talk about capturing Bin Laden and “the war on terror” who’s terror on whom? What will happen to the people of Afghanistan once we unleash thousands of crazy, violent and ignorant US soldiers in a land where they are hated with a passion and for what reason? Have you heard about the Afghan wedding crashers, we have killed many innocent civilians right in their homes with our satellite/laser guided bombs last month alone. The people of Afghanistan have suffered immense injustice and destruction of their country first under the Soviets and Pakistanis and now the Pakistanis and the United States military forces all for that dreaded pipeline.

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Why John McCain is unfit to be president
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 5, 2008 11:08 AM   
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On my new nonprofit Web site -- www.UnfitMcCain.com -- the home page
says, "Seven reasons why you shouldn't vote for Sen. McCain in 2008."

They are:

1. He will continue President Bush's belligerent foreign policy
which led to the unjustified and unending Iraq War that has
killed more than 4,000 U.S. military personnel and 100,000
Iraqi civilians, decimated our armed forces and added mega-
billions to the national debt.

2. McCain has endorsed the failed Bush economic policies that
are destroying the middleclass, causing jobs to go overseas,
pushing homeowners into foreclosure and endangering the
future of our offspring for decades to come.

3. McCain is America's "Number One Neocon" with direct ties
to Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist oganization, Project for
a New American Century (PNAC), which promoted regime
change in Iraq before 9/11 and wants to dominate the world
with U.S. military power.

4. During the 2008 presidental campaign, McCain showed he
lacked the necessary integrity to be commander-in-chief by
flip-flopping on major issues -- such as torture, off-shore
drilling and the 2001 Bush tax cuts that favored America's
wealthiest citizens.

5. He promised in February not run a negative campaign. Then,
five months later, rather than discuss important issues like
high energy prices and rising unemployment, McCain's advisors
unleashed a scurrilous, Karl Rove-inspired attack on Barack
Obama's character, such as calling him "arrogant" -- a substitute
for "uppity" with racial overtones. Never mind that arrogance
is a quintessential quality of anyone seeking to become the most
powerful leader on Earth, including Senator McCain.

6. McCain distorted his "heroic" POW record and exploited it for
political gain.

7. Finally, if McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington
will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain
in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know
how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight
years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a
better future than that.

If you agree with the above seven reasons and love America, please
tell your friends and family about UnfitMcCain.com.

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Afghan MPs want foreign troops out
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 5, 2008 12:03 PM   
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http://www.presstv.ir/

Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:17:53 GMT


"Afghan MPs want foreign troops out
Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:17:53 GMT
US troops in Afghanistan
Afghan lawmakers have protested against the presence of foreign troops in their country, asking for a timetable for their withdrawal.

The head of the complaints commission of the parliament Dr. Zalmay said the lawmakers called the presence of US-led troops illegal and urged their withdrawal.

Zalmay noted that Afghan lawmakers are against the presence of foreign forces and that they have called for a timetable for troops pullout in a letter to the UN Security Council.

The protest comes after the Pentagon extended by one month the mandate of more than 1,000 Marines serving as trainers for the Afghan security forces.

Afghanistan is experiencing a rising tide of violence. The Bush administration is considering a redeployment of troops to Afghanistan from Iraq under the pretext of having to deal with the growing threat of militancy.

Currently more American troops die in Afghanistan than in Iraq.

HE/BGH "

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angloamerican bastardy.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 5, 2008 12:06 PM   
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9451

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9451

Divide and Conquer: The Anglo-American Imperial Project

by Andrew G. Marshall

Global Research, July 10, 2008

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Establishing an "Arc of Crisis"

Many would be skeptical that the Anglo-Americans would be behind terrorist acts in Iraq, such as with the British in Basra, when two British SAS soldiers were caught dressed as Arabs, with explosives and massive arsenal of weapons.[1] Why would the British be complicit in orchestrating terror in the very city in which they are to provide security? What would be the purpose behind this? That question leads us to an even more important question to ask, the question of why Iraq was occupied; what is the purpose of the war on Iraq? If the answer is, as we are often told with our daily dose of CNN, SkyNews and the statements of public officials, to spread democracy and freedom and rid the world of tyranny and terror, then it doesn’t make sense that the British or Americans would orchestrate terror.

However, if the answer to the question of why the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq occurred was not to spread democracy and freedom, but to spread fear and chaos, plunge the country into civil war, balkanize Iraq into several countries, and create an "arc of crisis" across the Middle East, enveloping neighboring countries, notably Iran, then terror is a very efficient and effective means to an end.

An Imperial Strategy

In 1982, Oded Yinon, an Israeli journalist with links to the Israeli Foreign Ministry wrote an article for a publication of the World Zionist Organization in which he outlined a "strategy for Israel in the 1980s." In this article, he stated, "The dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front. Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run, it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel." He continued, "An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and Lebanon." He continues, "In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul and Shiite areas in the South will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north."[2]

The Iran-Iraq War, which lasted until 1988, did not result in Oded Yinon’s desired break-up of Iraq into ethnically based provinces. Nor did the subsequent Gulf War of 1991 in which the US destroyed Iraq’s infrastructure, as well as the following decade-plus of devastating sanctions and aerial bombardments by the Clinton administration. What did occur during these decades, however, were the deaths of millions of Iraqis and Iranians.

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» RE: angloamerican bastardy. Posted by: avatar_singh
» RE: angloamerican bastardy. Posted by: avatar_singh
US backing terror networks in Pakistan'
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 5, 2008 12:13 PM   
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http://www.presstv.ir/

"ue, 05 Aug 2008 15:03:27 GMT
Pakistan suspects that the US forces on Pak-Afghan border share precious information with Mehsud network to target Pakistani troops in the region
Pakistan has accused the US of backing militancy within the country, saying this goes against the spirit of so-called war on terror.

Pakistani the News quoted official sources as saying on Tuesday that strong evidence of American acquiescence to terrorism inside Pakistan was outlined by President Pervez Musharraf, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani and Director General Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt. Gen. Nadeem Taj in their separate meetings with US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen and CIA Deputy Director Stephen R Kappes on July 12 in Rawalpindi.

Pakistani officials with direct knowledge of the meetings said the Americans were not interested in disrupting the Kabul-based fountainhead of terrorism in Baluchistan nor do they want to allocate the marvelous predator resource to neutralize the kingpin of suicide bombings against the Pakistani military establishment now hiding near the Pak-Afghan border.

The top US military commander were also asked why the CIA-run predator did not swing into action when they were provided the exact location of Baitullah Mehsud, the chief of militants and mastermind of almost every suicide operation against the Army and the ISI since June 2006.

One such precise piece of information was made available to the CIA on May 24 when Mehsud drove to a remote South Waziristan mountain post to address the press and returned back to his safe abode. The United States military has the capacity to direct a missile to a precise location at very short notice as it has done close to 20 times in the last few years to hit al-Qaeda targets inside Pakistan.

"We wanted to know when our American friends would get interested in tracking down the terrorists responsible for hundreds of suicide bombings in Pakistan and those playing havoc with our natural resources in Baluchistan," an official described the Pakistani mood during the meetings.

Pakistani official have long been intrigued by the presence of highly encrypted communications gear with Mehsud. This communication gear enables him to collect real-time information on Pakistani troops' movement from an unidentified foreign source without being intercepted by Pakistani intelligence, sources said.

Admiral Mullen and the CIA official were in Pakistan on an unannounced visit to show what the US media claimed was evidence of the ISI's ties to the Taliban militants and the alleged involvement of Pakistani agents in the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul.

A former official with Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence Khalid Khawaja accused the US in an exclusive interview with the Press TV that the Americans had planted the bomb in the Indian Embassy in Kabul to widen the rift between Indians and Pakistanis.

The report comes a day after Musharraf's warning against the US conspiracies toward Pakistan.

Pakistani political analysts say that the current "trust deficit" between the Pakistani and US security establishment is serious enough to lead to a collapse.
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Americans Out!
Posted by: 876 on Aug 5, 2008 12:37 PM   
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There is no war on terror. The war you Americans have been duped into fighting is a war for riches where the victims are not your precious troops so much as the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both wars are illegal if for no other reason than that they were based on utter lies and propaganda. You will NEVER find Osama Bin Laden because he doesn’t exist in the mountains of Afghanistan. You are too stupid if you believe this man has been holed up in the same region for seven years and the nation that put a man on the moon can’t find him. Get out of peoples countries, take you weapons and your bases and stop supporting the criminals that tyrannize the masses of these regions and your war on terror will be won. Go back to your counties take your European friends with you. As of now you are the terrorists who wreak havoc and chaos on all of humanity.

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Americans Out!
Posted by: 876 on Aug 5, 2008 12:37 PM   
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There is no war on terror. The war you Americans have been duped into fighting is a war for riches where the victims are not your precious troops so much as the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both wars are illegal if for no other reason than that they were based on utter lies and propaganda. You will NEVER find Osama Bin Laden because he doesn’t exist in the mountains of Afghanistan. You are too stupid if you believe this man has been holed up in the same region for seven years and the nation that put a man on the moon can’t find him. Get out of peoples countries, take you weapons and your bases and stop supporting the criminals that tyrannize the masses of these regions and your war on terror will be won. Go back to your counties take your European friends with you. As of now you are the terrorists who wreak havoc and chaos on all of humanity.

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876
Posted by: 876 on Aug 5, 2008 1:20 PM   
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Americans have never “helped” Afghanistan with anything. Americans have used Afghanistan to dump the criminals of their Saudi friends to and defeat their communist enemies. Today they once again brutalize Afghanistan for pipelines, create armed fanatical militias, fund and sponsor criminals and terrorists” then blubber about all they have done to “help” as in Iraq. Only Americans could be so sick, so self important to rape the whole of the world then congratulate themselves and gloat over their supposed “help”. Take yourselves out of other peoples homes. Before your “help” the world had a chance to prosper and live peaceably. Your “help will be the death of humanity. You are cowards who use others to fight your battles then so profusely lack in civility and human decency that you claim to have “helped” the very people you slaughter and tyrannize. Please keep your help. May god save us all from your help.

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Huh?
Posted by: 4changenow on Aug 5, 2008 6:42 PM   
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Huh? I need more facts and less ranting --can anybody summarize these comments --I just can't make it thru them --Thanks

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oxheadone
Posted by: oxheadone on Aug 5, 2008 10:37 PM   
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Give Afganistan to the Chechens. They deserve each other. They are both Muslim terrorist states.

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no-the aryans were proud of their peaceful philosophy and not militarism
Posted by: avatar_singh on Aug 6, 2008 4:34 PM   
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If you compare the aryans with their enemies like Sur(who were in north iraq in 188bc till 800bc) then you iwll see that the enemies of aryans were more techonologically advanced but =very cruel while the aryans themselves were not materally advanced but of peaceful nature.
look at the "national geographical" of this month and you will see what the aryans look like-those old iranins had parrot like nose with features still ccommon amonst indians afgans and iranins.by the way hitler was not aryans nort are the germanin or english race.

what i meant to say basiccally is that despite not glorifying militarism the aryans knew how to fight bravely and thenforgive with humility.
In histoprical context you see the great rivalry between aryans of iran and ashur of iraq-and the ashur were more formidable power than the aryans.

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