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Chomsky: Bush & Cheney Always Saw Iraq as a Sweetheart Oil Deal
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Negotiations are under way for Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP -- the original partners decades ago in the Iraq Petroleum Company, now joined by Chevron and other smaller oil companies -- to renew the oil concession they lost to nationalization during the years when the oil producers took over their own resources. The no-bid contracts, apparently written by the oil corporations with the help of U.S. officials, prevailed over offers from more than 40 other companies, including companies in China, India and Russia.
"There was suspicion among many in the Arab world and among parts of the American public that the United States had gone to war in Iraq precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract," Andrew E. Kramer wrote in the New York Times.
Kramer's reference to "suspicion" is an understatement. Furthermore, it is highly likely that the military occupation has taken the initiative in restoring the hated Iraq Petroleum Company, which, as Seamus Milne writes in the U.K. Guardian, was imposed under British rule to "dine off Iraq's wealth in a famously exploitative deal."
Later reports speak of delays in the bidding. Much is happening in secrecy, and it would be no surprise if new scandals emerge.
The demand could hardly be more intense. Iraq contains perhaps the second-largest oil reserves in the world, which are, furthermore, very cheap to extract: no permafrost or tar sands or deep-sea drilling. For U.S. planners, it is imperative that Iraq remain under U.S. control, to the extent possible, as an obedient client state that will also house major U.S. military bases, right at the heart of the world's major energy reserves.
That these were the primary goals of the invasion was always clear enough through the haze of successive pretexts: weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein's links with al Qaeda, democracy promotion and the war against terrorism, which, as predicted, sharply increased as a result of the invasion.
Last November, the guiding concerns were made explicit when President Bush and Iraq's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, signed a "Declaration of Principles," ignoring the U.S. Congress, the Iraqi parliament and the populations of the two countries.
The declaration left open the possibility of an indefinite long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq that would presumably include the huge air bases now being built around the country, and the "embassy" in Baghdad, a city within a city, unlike any embassy in the world. These are not being constructed to be abandoned.
The declaration also had a remarkably brazen statement about exploiting the resources of Iraq. It said that the economy of Iraq -- which means its oil resources -- must be open to foreign investment, "especially American investments." That comes close to a pronouncement that we invaded you so that we can control your country and have privileged access to your resources.
The seriousness of this commitment was underscored in January, when Bush issued a "signing statement" declaring that he would reject any congressional legislation that restricted funding "to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq" or "to exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq."
Extensive resort to "signing statements" to expand executive power is yet another Bush innovation, condemned by the American Bar Association as "contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional separation of powers." To no avail.
Not surprisingly, the declaration aroused immediate objections in Iraq, among others from Iraqi unions, which survive even under the harsh anti-labor laws that Hussein instituted and the occupation preserves.
In Washington propaganda, the spoiler to U.S. domination in Iraq is Iran. U.S. problems in Iraq are blamed on Iran. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sees a simple solution: "Foreign forces" and "foreign arms" should be withdrawn from Iraq -- Iran's, not ours.
The confrontation over Iran's nuclear program heightens the tensions. The Bush administration's "regime change" policy toward Iran comes with ominous threats of force (there Bush is joined by both U.S. presidential candidates). The policy also is reported to include terrorism within Iran -- again legitimate, for the world rulers. A majority of the American people favor diplomacy and oppose the use of force. But public opinion is largely irrelevant to policy formation, not just in this case.
An irony is that Iraq is turning into a U.S.-Iranian condominium. The Maliki government is the sector of Iraqi society most supported by Iran. The so-called Iraqi army -- just another militia -- is largely based on the Badr brigade, which was trained in Iran and fought on the Iranian side during the Iran-Iraq War.
Nir Rosen, one of the most astute and knowledgeable correspondents in the region, observes that the main target of the U.S.-Maliki military operations, Moktada al-Sadr, is disliked by Iran as well: He's independent and has popular support, and is therefore dangerous.
Iran "clearly supported Prime Minister Maliki and the Iraqi government against what they described as 'illegal armed groups' (of Moktada's Mahdi army) in the recent conflict in Basra," Rosen writes, "which is not surprising given that their main proxy in Iraq, the Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council, dominates the Iraqi state and is Maliki's main backer."
"There is no proxy war in Iraq," Rosen concludes, "because the U.S. and Iran share the same proxy."
Tehran is presumably pleased to see the United States institute and sustain a government in Iraq that's receptive to its influence. For the Iraqi people, however, that government continues to be a disaster, very likely with worse to come.
In Foreign Affairs, Steven Simon points out that current U.S. counterinsurgency strategy is "stoking the three forces that have traditionally threatened the stability of Middle Eastern states: tribalism, warlordism and sectarianism." The outcome might be "a strong, centralized state ruled by a military junta that would resemble" Saddam Hussein's regime.
If Washington achieves its goals, then its actions are justified. Reactions are quite different when Vladimir Putin succeeds in pacifying Chechnya, to an extent well beyond what Gen. David Petraeus has achieved in Iraq. But that is them, and this is the United States. Criteria are therefore entirely different.
In the United States, the Democrats are silenced now because of the supposed success of the U.S. military surge in Iraq. Their silence reflects the fact that there are no principled criticisms of the war. In this way of regarding the world, if you're achieving your goals, the war and occupation are justified. The sweetheart oil deals come with the territory.
In fact, the whole invasion is a war crime -- indeed the supreme international crime, differing from other war crimes in that it encompasses all the evil that follows, in the terms of the Nuremberg judgment. This is among the topics that can't be discussed, in the presidential campaign or elsewhere. Why are we in Iraq? What do we owe Iraqis for destroying their country? The majority of the American people favor U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. Do their voices matter?
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 12, 2008 12:46 AM
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Is there any hope for a real foreign policy, or real domestic policy for that matter when our best minds are ignored?
Long live the Corporatocracy !
Many thanks to Alternet for their republication.
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Posted by: rancespergl on Jul 12, 2008 12:53 AM
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When you have good food, big plasma TVs, big SUVs, big waistlines, it's a reassuring, peaceful life. We can't be wrong and if we are it's only because we're misunderstood because, really, we don't wish to be interrupted in our hazy nirvana-on-earth, the USA.
That somewhere in the world, a small child is, at this very moment, standing and shimmering in 140oF heat, smeared with dirt and their mother's blood, screaming, limbs separated from torso, mouth wide, sucking superheated air, screaming I said, stunned and addled for the remainder of it's brief precious life, under the same sun that will shine, later this very day, on your family barbecue set amid amber waves of grain under purple mountains majesties above a fruited plain?
Shall we remember, will we know, you and I and our grandchildren, who we were, who we are, what we did? Because it wasn't us who roasted that small child in the desert, oh no, it was bad people, and I didn't vote for them, did you?
No, no one did, because you and I, we're good people and we worship a god and love our children and our dogs and we will sleep well and no one will harm us. Ever.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 12, 2008 1:53 AM
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As always, his blind faith in US public opinion is his weakest spot. Even if the "majority of the American people favor diplomacy and oppose the use of force", I suspect it's a casual interest at most, with a long list of caveats. Aside from a handful of progressives, nobody seems to be demanding a stop to the madness or laying down in front of the tanks.
And I think Chomsky's point about "no principled criticisms of the war" is at the heart of it: Most of the so-called "criticism" is about the botched implementation...which is kind of like saying the Nazis' heart was in the right place, if only they hadn't been so hasty in opening up that Eastern Front. He sums it up very nicely in the last paragraph, yet still clings to his faith in the US public who, at the very least, allowed it all to happen.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 12, 2008 4:55 AM
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So Bush pats us on the head, sends us "stimulus checks" like a good papa handing out candy to a whining child, we shut up an the whole thing keeps going. In November we will have a new daddy who will do the same thing. Don't worry, America, we're still the best country with the best people, the benevolent giant who specializes in death and destruction.
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Posted by: bob-o-link on Jul 12, 2008 4:56 AM
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I've included it in "IT'S THE OIL, STUPID!" which you can find on-line (until it's removed by the U.S. Department of Justice) at:
http://www.kycbs.net/Oil-Stupid.htm
Mahalo!
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---John Taylor Gatto
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Posted by: Democritus on Jul 12, 2008 5:27 AM
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Chomsky doesn't mention another facet to our invasion, which is that it was designed to strengthen Israel's hand, our military partner in the Middle East, one that could be depended on to inflict severe damage on Iran, Syria, or Lebanon, should these states protest against the American hegemony. In return for its help, Israel gets to run roughshod over Palestine and gobble up the entire West Bank--all this while Washington turns out fancy phrases in protest, as well as a blind eye.
What should also be obvious, but apparently isn't, is that Bush, Cheney, and the neocons were not alone in their illegal war. The American Congress, with only a few courageous exceptions, went along with their warmaking plans, and only recently have some of the war enablers come around to say the invasion was a mistake--Hillary Clinton being a notable example. My take on this is that Congress, as well, wanted us to control that oil and didn't care what means were used.
Even today, long after the Downing Street memo has proved conclusively that the intelligence was fitted around the policy, Nancy Pelosi is dragging her feet on Dennis Kucinich's impeachment articles, hoping to bury them in John Conyers' Judiciary Committee. Why would she do this? Why would Conyers sit on these articles? The only rational conclusion is that not only Republicans, but high-ranking Democrats, as well, were and are in collusion with the Bush Administration to steal another country's oil.
The American people aren't stupid. I suspect that low approval ratings for Congress are in large measure due to its hypocrisy in pretending to be against the Bush-Cheney war and occupation, but are in reality continuing to enable this Administration in its illicit behavior. These Democratic critics give lip service to a desire to remove our troops from Iraq, but they want a Status of Forces Agreement and a sweet oil deal no less than the Bush team does.
It is a progressive's hope hope that a new Administration will sweep away all the Congressional war enablers, remove our troops from Iraq, dismantle our bases, tell Israel to pull in its horns, and begin to search for peace in the Middle East and not another country's natural resources. Judging from past experience, however, the chances are slim.
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Posted by: FMABBI on Jul 12, 2008 6:00 AM
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It's a simple thing we can ALL easily agree on and actually DO. A real, independent, fully funded investigation with subpoena power. Hello, why wasn't this already done? Once we (the average American citizen) understand the truth we will see to it that those really responsible will be held accountable (including the complicity of the press).
Until that happens, we will continue to debate the details, nuances, troop levels, time tables, number of deaths, number of injured, cost per week, cost per day, blah, blah, blah of this atrocity of the unending "war on terror" across the world including here in our own country. Let's get to the bottom of it! For God's sake and our own - we can at least demand a REAL investigation!!!
People, call and write to your representatives weekly, daily! Apply the pressure. WE need to know the truth - and what we do know is that our government has continually, brazenly lied to us about 9/11. Come on, we can do this.
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Posted by: Forrest on Jul 12, 2008 6:18 AM
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_security/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
16 April 2003
Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream?
"Israel stands to benefit greatly from the US led war on Iraq, primarily by getting rid of an implacable foe in President Saddam Hussein and the threat from the weapons of mass destruction he was alleged to possess. But it seems the Israelis have other things in mind.
An intriguing pointer to one potentially significant benefit was a report by Haaretz on 31 March that minister for national infrastructures Joseph Paritzky was considering the possibility of reopening the long-defunct oil pipeline from Mosul to the Mediterranean port of Haifa. With Israel lacking energy resources of its own and depending on highly expensive oil from Russia, reopening the pipeline would transform its economy.
To resume supplies from Mosul to Haifa would require the approval of whatever Iraqi government emerges and presumably the Jordanian government, through whose territory it would be likely to run. Paritzky's ministry was reported to have said on 9 April that it would hold discussions with Jordanian authorities on resuming oil supplies from Mosul, with one source saying the Jordanians were "optimistic". Jordan, aware of the deep political sensitivities involved, immediately denied there were any such talks.
Paritzky said he was certain the USA would respond favourably to the idea of resurrecting the pipeline. Indeed, according to Western diplomatic sources in the region, the USA has discussed this with Iraqi opposition groups.
It is understood from diplomatic sources that the Bush administration has said it will not support lifting UN sanctions on Iraq unless Saddam's successors agree to supply Israel with oil.
All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests. Haaretz quoted Paritzky as saying that the pipeline project is economically justifiable because it would dramatically reduce Israel's energy bill.
US efforts to get Iraqi oil to Israel are not surprising. Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU), the US guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. The MoU, which has been quietly renewed every five years, also committed the USA to construct and stock a supplementary strategic reserve for Israel, equivalent to some US$3bn in 2002. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA.
Moreover, the USA agreed to divert oil from its home market, even if that entailed domestic shortages, and guaranteed delivery of the promised oil in its own tankers if commercial shippers were unwilling or not available to carry the crude to Israel. All of this adds up to a potentially massive financial commitment.
The USA has another reason for supporting Paritzky's project: a land route for Iraqi oil direct to the Mediterranean would lessen US dependence on Gulf oil supplies. Direct access to the world's second-largest oil reserves (with the possibility of expansion through so-far untapped deposits) is an important strategic objective."
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» Wow! Thanks for that inclusion.
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» The Mosul to Haifa Pipeline was built by the UK in 1935 and was closed by Syria after 1948.
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» RE: Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream? from Jane's Intelligence Digest April 2003
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» Jane's Intelligence also never accused the US of going to war for Israeli access to Iraqi oil
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Posted by: chorton on Jul 12, 2008 8:13 AM
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We now have the tools- with a certain amount of time, effort and practice, and with the help of sites such as this one - to learn much of what is happening in the world, and then, by searching on Yahoo News or Google News, to determine which stories were covered by which news outlets. I have done this now for several months, and the results are startling.
In case after case, news stories that a reasonable person would agree are interesting and important or significant are being killed, completely ignored, by the entire corporate media. This happens so frequently and thoroughly that it cannot be dismissed as an accident, the result of pressure from advertizers or a mere convergence of opinion among editors. Among those most cruelly deceived by this practice are people who rely on the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR and the BBC and who think they are getting the real news that the masses are being denied. Over the last few months, without exception, when FOX and CNN don't carry a story these elite news organs don't either!
Sometimes a story is carried by Reuters or AFP and is headlines all over Europe - but not here. Sometimes a story that should have been national news will be carried by a few regional dailies in Seattle, Baltimore or Boston. But the networks and the national dailies appear to be presenting a solid front.
A dramatic example is the story of House Continuing Resolution 362, which in strong language calls on the President to institute a blockade of Iran, which would require stopping Iran-bound ships on the high seas - an act of war under the UN Charter. This resolution was introduced in late May, and had over 100 Co-sponsors by June 19, when the blog Daily Kos, followed soon by the rest of the alternative press, broke the story. Thousands of people knew about it, including every member of Congress, yet not one news report had appeared anywhere! UPI carried a story on it on July 7, but as of today, July 12, it still hasn't been covered or even mentioned by any of the networks or national dailies, and it could come to a vote at any time now!
The one exception, the one national mass circulation news source that frequently breaks rank and carries a story that has been silenced by the rest of the Corporate Media, is Yahoo News. For whatever reason, Yahoo is now under vigorous assault by Microsoft and other high-rollers, with bids in the tens of billions of dollars in play. Whether Microsoft were to keep its news division (msn news and MSNBC are among the outlets that I have never seen break ranks on a news blackout) or as rumored it gets spun off to Rupert Murdoch, this window to the news would snap shut.
So the American people are regularly and systematically being denied access to essential information. What good does it do us to blame them and whine about their stupidity and bad ideas? Rather, we should be focusing on ways to systematically get good information into the hands of the tens of millions. Would they then make good choices ? I urgently hope and believe so, but we cannot know until it's tried.
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» RE: US dollar still accounts for over 60%.... "The Jews are coming! The Jews are coming!"
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» Brian . . .
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 12, 2008 9:11 AM
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The HIGHEST BIDDERS, of course -- China and India -- and there won't be anything Cheney and his greedy pals can do to stop it.
If you think gasoline costs too much now, just wait two years.
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Posted by: HBoyer on Jul 12, 2008 9:13 AM
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We have one political party running America.
The REPUBLICRATS-A republicrat is a self serving
ego-maniac whose sole existence is for power and money.
They have no qualms about eliminating Democracy and Freedom if Corporations and the Rich can make more money.
But alas the American people are also self-serving and cannot see the forest for the trees.
They will sit by and complain but in the end all American will be less free and soon a 3rd world country like Mexico
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Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Jul 12, 2008 9:39 AM
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Greenspan tactically lied not once but twice about the true reasons for the illegal war in Iraq. Greenspan is fully aware that the invasion was about more than just oil and the control of oil. Chomsky also knows this, but he never mentions it. He deliberately evades and avoids it.
On 9/11 Chomsky dismissively utters in his monotone voice: "Who cares who did it."
Who indeed.
On the Iraq invasion and those who lobbied for it, maybe Chomsky would utter: "Who cares who lobbied for it."
Of course, he never said those words because he simply refuses to discuss who ACTIVELY campaigned and vigorously lobbied for an illegal war in which over 1m people have died, including thousands of young American soldiers.
The oil lobby did not lobby for this war. It was the Israel lobby that lobbied for war against Iraq, and are now busy lobbying for war against Iran... in which many more thousands of young American troops shall perish.
Perhaps Chomsky was only telling the truth about the influence of his Zionist childhood when he said "perhaps this personal history distorts my perspective." (Peace in the Middle East, p49-51)
He's certainly not telling the truth now. Chomsky has a reputation on the left that is undeserved. He is an agent of disinformation, and his refusal to discuss AIPAC and its impact on the US Congress is telling to say the least.
James Petras doesn't intentionally deflect the left
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» Military history as written by Israel . . .
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» How was Israel the aggressor in 1973? IT WAS A SUPRISE ATTACK BY EGYPT AND SYRIA.
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JEB, anyone?
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So called reality TV has taken the place of thinking and just when you think American "entertainment" has taken a new low , they come up with a show about a eating contest and who BARFS first .
The Rockefellers , military industrial complex and bankers greatest illusion , is the illusion of choice , because OBAMA KNOWS the U.S. is in Iraq for OIL , but is too cowardly to publicly admit it and when he said on 60 minutes that we " Need troops in Iraq to protect out interests" THAT SAYS IT ALL , Mission Accomplished .
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Posted by: edith on Jul 12, 2008 10:45 AM
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Why did FDR meet with King Saud in WWII? Why Eisenhower's focus on the Saudis,and his antipathy to Nasser?
Great powers protect their interests. All great powers.
This is not newsworthy, Prof.Chomsky. You are getting old. When the US gets out, Iran will get in. Then Russia, Then China. It's what nations do. Without energy resources, nations cannot survive, and nations that want to run world affairs do what the US has done. The US can't financially afford Iraq military dominance financially much longer; it will be replaced by other would be imperialists.
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Stupid is rather hard to believe
So all I can think is that he is part of the agenda - as is this website
You don't need a degree in physics to analyse 9/11
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awhile but why do we have to bother with offshore drilling when we have all of that black stuff oozing out of the ground in Iraq and also in Iran.
A huge embassy, countless bases, and billions of dollars. Don't get rid of your SUV yet.
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There are those of us who rarely read Chomsky but still have a firm grasp on the political ideas he puts forward. It doesn't exactly take a Ph.D. in Linguistics to figure these things out if you read the news regularly.
Slavoj Zizek, as always, has something to say about this, too:
"Chomsky and people like him seem to think that if we just got the facts out there, things would almost take care of themselves. Why is this wrong? Why aren’t “the facts” enough?
Let me give you a very naive answer. I think that basically the facts are already known. This is what I’ve referred to as “postmodern cynicism.” Let’s take Chomsky’s analyses of how the CIA intervened in Nicaragua. Ok, a lot of details, yes, but did I learn anything fundamentally new? It’s exactly what I’d expected: the CIA was playing a very dirty game. Of course it’s more convincing if you learn the dirty details. But I don’t think that we really learned anything dramatically new there. I don’t think that merely “knowing the facts” can really change people’s perceptions."
So, are my perceptions changed by actually seeing the big oil deal going down in Iraq? Not really, I have been waiting on this big oil deal to happen ever since we invaded and began the most privatized war in history. It wasn't exactly rocket science to figure it out.
I'm not saying its necessarily bad for Chomsky to write such articles, but when they are directed at a community that already agrees with his statements, the purpose of spreading the message to people who don't seems half-assed at best.
Anyway, why are we all sitting around listening to a guy rant about politics when his educational background is firmly linguistics, and whose linguistic theories have been slapped down by science in favor of Deleuzian theories of linguistics. I mean, seriously, guys.
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When I came back from Vietnam, I eventually found myself screaming on a psyche ward that everything was a lie. When the nurses came running into my room, I gave them a history lesson about what their country did in a beautiful country called Vietnam. I was like a knife, I slaughtered their belief systems. When I was done, there was total silence in the room. The hate came out of me like a raging hurricane. When I was done, I felt wasted inside. When the intellect can no longer censor the soul, the truth is born.
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Your troops die in foriegn lands for a foriegn power... it's not for OIL, it's for Israeli hegemony of the Middle East.
The Muslims have done nothing to the USA, no harm whatsoever, nothing at all.
Stand up to the Zionists in the USA... they are destroying your nation.
By night and by day...
Grow balls ya kunts...
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This article is as relevant today as it was when published more than a year ago by Michel Chossudovsky. Check out his Canadian website. It usually has quite thoughtful and well-researched pieces that don't make it into the US except via the internet.///
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The founding fathers having been pushed past their limits by a despot deliberately created this government so that injustices, crimes, and the treason that this administration have created should be checked by Congress.
The unfortunate part of all this is that no one realized that "the aquiring of money and therefore power" would be at the evil root of all of our ills.
What makes this "Mis-administration" believe that it has the power to perform these treasonous acts with impunity is that the electorate is so diverted with the extraneous acts of acquiring and dumbing down by the MSM that no one is really paying attention to nor are there enough protests for our basic liberties and those of the body human in other countries.
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that control. Nader has ALWAYS pursued that end for the benefit of the constitution, and
all of the people in this country. I'm not proud to be american, I'm shocked by how this
country has ignored the transformation to ignorance. Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us,
control of this country is no longer the peoples', and if we don't vote our conscience now,when will we? We as a people, should display a society that believes in and promotes
fairness and justice in this country as an example for other governments to emulate. This is America's responsibility.
Beware the military / industrial / corporate complex.
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It needs to be done. We need to be sending a message to all of the impending Bushi of this world. George Bush needs to be jailed and then followed by each of his henchmen. I contend that if you don't believe this, you just aren't a patriot.
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I wish Naom would write me about this...
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Check out THIS (found while searching for something else)
BLOG:
http://quantumspectrum.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html
VIDEO:on YouTube - Aaron Russo:"Rockefeller Admitted Elite Goal Of Microchipped Population" (http address would not fit on this post:(
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Is there any hope for a real foreign policy, or real domestic policy for that matter when our best minds are ignored?
Long live the Corporatocracy !
Many thanks to Alternet for their republication.
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Posted by: rancespergl on Jul 12, 2008 12:53 AM
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When you have good food, big plasma TVs, big SUVs, big waistlines, it's a reassuring, peaceful life. We can't be wrong and if we are it's only because we're misunderstood because, really, we don't wish to be interrupted in our hazy nirvana-on-earth, the USA.
That somewhere in the world, a small child is, at this very moment, standing and shimmering in 140oF heat, smeared with dirt and their mother's blood, screaming, limbs separated from torso, mouth wide, sucking superheated air, screaming I said, stunned and addled for the remainder of it's brief precious life, under the same sun that will shine, later this very day, on your family barbecue set amid amber waves of grain under purple mountains majesties above a fruited plain?
Shall we remember, will we know, you and I and our grandchildren, who we were, who we are, what we did? Because it wasn't us who roasted that small child in the desert, oh no, it was bad people, and I didn't vote for them, did you?
No, no one did, because you and I, we're good people and we worship a god and love our children and our dogs and we will sleep well and no one will harm us. Ever.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 12, 2008 1:53 AM
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As always, his blind faith in US public opinion is his weakest spot. Even if the "majority of the American people favor diplomacy and oppose the use of force", I suspect it's a casual interest at most, with a long list of caveats. Aside from a handful of progressives, nobody seems to be demanding a stop to the madness or laying down in front of the tanks.
And I think Chomsky's point about "no principled criticisms of the war" is at the heart of it: Most of the so-called "criticism" is about the botched implementation...which is kind of like saying the Nazis' heart was in the right place, if only they hadn't been so hasty in opening up that Eastern Front. He sums it up very nicely in the last paragraph, yet still clings to his faith in the US public who, at the very least, allowed it all to happen.
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» Chomsky DOES have confidence in the public because he goes beyond the superficial
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Posted by: Mishma on Jul 12, 2008 3:44 AM
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Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 12, 2008 4:26 AM
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 12, 2008 4:55 AM
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So Bush pats us on the head, sends us "stimulus checks" like a good papa handing out candy to a whining child, we shut up an the whole thing keeps going. In November we will have a new daddy who will do the same thing. Don't worry, America, we're still the best country with the best people, the benevolent giant who specializes in death and destruction.
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» The Bush Gang was not elected
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» Understanding HUMAN nature
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» Deadly Apathy -- Blame your parents!
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» The American people are just as brutalized
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Posted by: bob-o-link on Jul 12, 2008 4:56 AM
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I've included it in "IT'S THE OIL, STUPID!" which you can find on-line (until it's removed by the U.S. Department of Justice) at:
http://www.kycbs.net/Oil-Stupid.htm
Mahalo!
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 12, 2008 5:16 AM
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---John Taylor Gatto
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» Turn the clock ahead of the madness.
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» google his name and read the whole article about what teaching really does to children
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» Eating meat (animals) is NOT the problem...
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» RE: we don't even need oil if we're willing to turn back the clock
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» and who has written the historical record? the people who profit from our despair
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» Touche' Suzon
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» sorry, you can't make an enemy of me, last chance, by jumping to hasty conclusions
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» 1066 and all that...
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» here's the URL for the seven lessons essay by Gatto
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Jul 12, 2008 5:26 AM
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» 9/11 the excuse for Iraq War
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» "Who cares who did it?" . . .
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» RE: "Who cares who did it?" . . .
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» 9/11 dicussions
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» When the MSM is ridiculing anyone who doubts . . .
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Posted by: Democritus on Jul 12, 2008 5:27 AM
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Chomsky doesn't mention another facet to our invasion, which is that it was designed to strengthen Israel's hand, our military partner in the Middle East, one that could be depended on to inflict severe damage on Iran, Syria, or Lebanon, should these states protest against the American hegemony. In return for its help, Israel gets to run roughshod over Palestine and gobble up the entire West Bank--all this while Washington turns out fancy phrases in protest, as well as a blind eye.
What should also be obvious, but apparently isn't, is that Bush, Cheney, and the neocons were not alone in their illegal war. The American Congress, with only a few courageous exceptions, went along with their warmaking plans, and only recently have some of the war enablers come around to say the invasion was a mistake--Hillary Clinton being a notable example. My take on this is that Congress, as well, wanted us to control that oil and didn't care what means were used.
Even today, long after the Downing Street memo has proved conclusively that the intelligence was fitted around the policy, Nancy Pelosi is dragging her feet on Dennis Kucinich's impeachment articles, hoping to bury them in John Conyers' Judiciary Committee. Why would she do this? Why would Conyers sit on these articles? The only rational conclusion is that not only Republicans, but high-ranking Democrats, as well, were and are in collusion with the Bush Administration to steal another country's oil.
The American people aren't stupid. I suspect that low approval ratings for Congress are in large measure due to its hypocrisy in pretending to be against the Bush-Cheney war and occupation, but are in reality continuing to enable this Administration in its illicit behavior. These Democratic critics give lip service to a desire to remove our troops from Iraq, but they want a Status of Forces Agreement and a sweet oil deal no less than the Bush team does.
It is a progressive's hope hope that a new Administration will sweep away all the Congressional war enablers, remove our troops from Iraq, dismantle our bases, tell Israel to pull in its horns, and begin to search for peace in the Middle East and not another country's natural resources. Judging from past experience, however, the chances are slim.
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» Dear Democritus
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» RE: Dear Democritus: check out the Gatto reference
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» Dear Marina in Paris.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jul 12, 2008 5:29 AM
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» You didn't get it wrong, Lauren . . .
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» You are being far too nice . . .
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» Why do Edith and Brian address people whom they have no reason to believe are Hispanic as mi amigo?
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» Chomsky is a vain idiot
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» Lock and load ....
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» RE: Lock and load????? good Christian friend
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» RE: WE: it limits ability to think.
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Posted by: FMABBI on Jul 12, 2008 6:00 AM
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It's a simple thing we can ALL easily agree on and actually DO. A real, independent, fully funded investigation with subpoena power. Hello, why wasn't this already done? Once we (the average American citizen) understand the truth we will see to it that those really responsible will be held accountable (including the complicity of the press).
Until that happens, we will continue to debate the details, nuances, troop levels, time tables, number of deaths, number of injured, cost per week, cost per day, blah, blah, blah of this atrocity of the unending "war on terror" across the world including here in our own country. Let's get to the bottom of it! For God's sake and our own - we can at least demand a REAL investigation!!!
People, call and write to your representatives weekly, daily! Apply the pressure. WE need to know the truth - and what we do know is that our government has continually, brazenly lied to us about 9/11. Come on, we can do this.
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Posted by: Forrest on Jul 12, 2008 6:18 AM
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_security/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
16 April 2003
Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream?
"Israel stands to benefit greatly from the US led war on Iraq, primarily by getting rid of an implacable foe in President Saddam Hussein and the threat from the weapons of mass destruction he was alleged to possess. But it seems the Israelis have other things in mind.
An intriguing pointer to one potentially significant benefit was a report by Haaretz on 31 March that minister for national infrastructures Joseph Paritzky was considering the possibility of reopening the long-defunct oil pipeline from Mosul to the Mediterranean port of Haifa. With Israel lacking energy resources of its own and depending on highly expensive oil from Russia, reopening the pipeline would transform its economy.
To resume supplies from Mosul to Haifa would require the approval of whatever Iraqi government emerges and presumably the Jordanian government, through whose territory it would be likely to run. Paritzky's ministry was reported to have said on 9 April that it would hold discussions with Jordanian authorities on resuming oil supplies from Mosul, with one source saying the Jordanians were "optimistic". Jordan, aware of the deep political sensitivities involved, immediately denied there were any such talks.
Paritzky said he was certain the USA would respond favourably to the idea of resurrecting the pipeline. Indeed, according to Western diplomatic sources in the region, the USA has discussed this with Iraqi opposition groups.
It is understood from diplomatic sources that the Bush administration has said it will not support lifting UN sanctions on Iraq unless Saddam's successors agree to supply Israel with oil.
All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests. Haaretz quoted Paritzky as saying that the pipeline project is economically justifiable because it would dramatically reduce Israel's energy bill.
US efforts to get Iraqi oil to Israel are not surprising. Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU), the US guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. The MoU, which has been quietly renewed every five years, also committed the USA to construct and stock a supplementary strategic reserve for Israel, equivalent to some US$3bn in 2002. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA.
Moreover, the USA agreed to divert oil from its home market, even if that entailed domestic shortages, and guaranteed delivery of the promised oil in its own tankers if commercial shippers were unwilling or not available to carry the crude to Israel. All of this adds up to a potentially massive financial commitment.
The USA has another reason for supporting Paritzky's project: a land route for Iraqi oil direct to the Mediterranean would lessen US dependence on Gulf oil supplies. Direct access to the world's second-largest oil reserves (with the possibility of expansion through so-far untapped deposits) is an important strategic objective."
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» Wow! Thanks for that inclusion.
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» The Mosul to Haifa Pipeline was built by the UK in 1935 and was closed by Syria after 1948.
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» RE: Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream? from Jane's Intelligence Digest April 2003
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» Jane's Intelligence also never accused the US of going to war for Israeli access to Iraqi oil
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» RE: Jane's Intelligence also never accused the US of going to war for Israeli access to Iraqi oil
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» The JDL doesn't exist anymore. Don't believe everything you read in the Free American
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» As you were, that's . . .
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» 7,000 years of history - YES. But the Bushies believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
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» So, mwildfire, what do you think..............
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» Oceanwaves, vote for Obama if you must, but
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Posted by: chorton on Jul 12, 2008 8:13 AM
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We now have the tools- with a certain amount of time, effort and practice, and with the help of sites such as this one - to learn much of what is happening in the world, and then, by searching on Yahoo News or Google News, to determine which stories were covered by which news outlets. I have done this now for several months, and the results are startling.
In case after case, news stories that a reasonable person would agree are interesting and important or significant are being killed, completely ignored, by the entire corporate media. This happens so frequently and thoroughly that it cannot be dismissed as an accident, the result of pressure from advertizers or a mere convergence of opinion among editors. Among those most cruelly deceived by this practice are people who rely on the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR and the BBC and who think they are getting the real news that the masses are being denied. Over the last few months, without exception, when FOX and CNN don't carry a story these elite news organs don't either!
Sometimes a story is carried by Reuters or AFP and is headlines all over Europe - but not here. Sometimes a story that should have been national news will be carried by a few regional dailies in Seattle, Baltimore or Boston. But the networks and the national dailies appear to be presenting a solid front.
A dramatic example is the story of House Continuing Resolution 362, which in strong language calls on the President to institute a blockade of Iran, which would require stopping Iran-bound ships on the high seas - an act of war under the UN Charter. This resolution was introduced in late May, and had over 100 Co-sponsors by June 19, when the blog Daily Kos, followed soon by the rest of the alternative press, broke the story. Thousands of people knew about it, including every member of Congress, yet not one news report had appeared anywhere! UPI carried a story on it on July 7, but as of today, July 12, it still hasn't been covered or even mentioned by any of the networks or national dailies, and it could come to a vote at any time now!
The one exception, the one national mass circulation news source that frequently breaks rank and carries a story that has been silenced by the rest of the Corporate Media, is Yahoo News. For whatever reason, Yahoo is now under vigorous assault by Microsoft and other high-rollers, with bids in the tens of billions of dollars in play. Whether Microsoft were to keep its news division (msn news and MSNBC are among the outlets that I have never seen break ranks on a news blackout) or as rumored it gets spun off to Rupert Murdoch, this window to the news would snap shut.
So the American people are regularly and systematically being denied access to essential information. What good does it do us to blame them and whine about their stupidity and bad ideas? Rather, we should be focusing on ways to systematically get good information into the hands of the tens of millions. Would they then make good choices ? I urgently hope and believe so, but we cannot know until it's tried.
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» There is no plan sick or otherwise to destroy the world. Capitalists just want to control the world
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» Burn Baby Burn
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» RE: Bush Cheny and Iraq
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» US dollar still accounts for over 60% of world foreign currency reserves. It's still hard currency.
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» RE: US dollar still accounts for over 60% of world foreign currency reserves. It's still hard currency.
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» RE: US dollar still accounts for over 60%.... "The Jews are coming! The Jews are coming!"
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» RE: US dollar still accounts for over 60%.... "The Jews are coming! The Jews are coming!"
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» Brian . . .
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» RE: Brian . . .
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» RE: Brian . . .
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» Brian and Lauren are both racist trolls. I suspect that Brian is not REALLY from Nairobi either.
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» Who's the real troll here . . .
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» It doesn't take much to make accusations with no proof. AIPAC doesn't need pay to get the truth out
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» Wait a minute . . .
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» RE: So...How are the Oil Pipelines coming along?????
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 12, 2008 9:11 AM
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The HIGHEST BIDDERS, of course -- China and India -- and there won't be anything Cheney and his greedy pals can do to stop it.
If you think gasoline costs too much now, just wait two years.
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» That's for sure.
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Posted by: HBoyer on Jul 12, 2008 9:13 AM
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We have one political party running America.
The REPUBLICRATS-A republicrat is a self serving
ego-maniac whose sole existence is for power and money.
They have no qualms about eliminating Democracy and Freedom if Corporations and the Rich can make more money.
But alas the American people are also self-serving and cannot see the forest for the trees.
They will sit by and complain but in the end all American will be less free and soon a 3rd world country like Mexico
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» Just One Second, Amigo
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» BrianOfNairobi, please explain...................
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Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Jul 12, 2008 9:39 AM
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Greenspan tactically lied not once but twice about the true reasons for the illegal war in Iraq. Greenspan is fully aware that the invasion was about more than just oil and the control of oil. Chomsky also knows this, but he never mentions it. He deliberately evades and avoids it.
On 9/11 Chomsky dismissively utters in his monotone voice: "Who cares who did it."
Who indeed.
On the Iraq invasion and those who lobbied for it, maybe Chomsky would utter: "Who cares who lobbied for it."
Of course, he never said those words because he simply refuses to discuss who ACTIVELY campaigned and vigorously lobbied for an illegal war in which over 1m people have died, including thousands of young American soldiers.
The oil lobby did not lobby for this war. It was the Israel lobby that lobbied for war against Iraq, and are now busy lobbying for war against Iran... in which many more thousands of young American troops shall perish.
Perhaps Chomsky was only telling the truth about the influence of his Zionist childhood when he said "perhaps this personal history distorts my perspective." (Peace in the Middle East, p49-51)
He's certainly not telling the truth now. Chomsky has a reputation on the left that is undeserved. He is an agent of disinformation, and his refusal to discuss AIPAC and its impact on the US Congress is telling to say the least.
James Petras doesn't intentionally deflect the left
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» So Rabbi Obama, What Do You Think?
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» One sentence from edith rings true . . .
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» What a stupid claim about a state that fought single handedly on 3 fronts in 3 separate wars and won
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» Military history as written by Israel . . .
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» How was Israel the aggressor in 1973? IT WAS A SUPRISE ATTACK BY EGYPT AND SYRIA.
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» RE: 1973? IT WAS A SUPRISE ATTACK BY EGYPT,but 1967 israel launched preemptive attack
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» Israel has shown more courage in battle over the past 60 years than have you edith.
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» RE: Another Chomsky Deflection...
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» Chomsky a defender of Israel?
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» Oil companies didn't need to actively lobby for War. They kept a low profile for political reasons
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Posted by: bettyn on Jul 12, 2008 10:01 AM
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JEB, anyone?
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Jul 12, 2008 10:25 AM
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So called reality TV has taken the place of thinking and just when you think American "entertainment" has taken a new low , they come up with a show about a eating contest and who BARFS first .
The Rockefellers , military industrial complex and bankers greatest illusion , is the illusion of choice , because OBAMA KNOWS the U.S. is in Iraq for OIL , but is too cowardly to publicly admit it and when he said on 60 minutes that we " Need troops in Iraq to protect out interests" THAT SAYS IT ALL , Mission Accomplished .
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Posted by: edith on Jul 12, 2008 10:45 AM
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Why did FDR meet with King Saud in WWII? Why Eisenhower's focus on the Saudis,and his antipathy to Nasser?
Great powers protect their interests. All great powers.
This is not newsworthy, Prof.Chomsky. You are getting old. When the US gets out, Iran will get in. Then Russia, Then China. It's what nations do. Without energy resources, nations cannot survive, and nations that want to run world affairs do what the US has done. The US can't financially afford Iraq military dominance financially much longer; it will be replaced by other would be imperialists.
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Stupid is rather hard to believe
So all I can think is that he is part of the agenda - as is this website
You don't need a degree in physics to analyse 9/11
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awhile but why do we have to bother with offshore drilling when we have all of that black stuff oozing out of the ground in Iraq and also in Iran.
A huge embassy, countless bases, and billions of dollars. Don't get rid of your SUV yet.
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There are those of us who rarely read Chomsky but still have a firm grasp on the political ideas he puts forward. It doesn't exactly take a Ph.D. in Linguistics to figure these things out if you read the news regularly.
Slavoj Zizek, as always, has something to say about this, too:
"Chomsky and people like him seem to think that if we just got the facts out there, things would almost take care of themselves. Why is this wrong? Why aren’t “the facts” enough?
Let me give you a very naive answer. I think that basically the facts are already known. This is what I’ve referred to as “postmodern cynicism.” Let’s take Chomsky’s analyses of how the CIA intervened in Nicaragua. Ok, a lot of details, yes, but did I learn anything fundamentally new? It’s exactly what I’d expected: the CIA was playing a very dirty game. Of course it’s more convincing if you learn the dirty details. But I don’t think that we really learned anything dramatically new there. I don’t think that merely “knowing the facts” can really change people’s perceptions."
So, are my perceptions changed by actually seeing the big oil deal going down in Iraq? Not really, I have been waiting on this big oil deal to happen ever since we invaded and began the most privatized war in history. It wasn't exactly rocket science to figure it out.
I'm not saying its necessarily bad for Chomsky to write such articles, but when they are directed at a community that already agrees with his statements, the purpose of spreading the message to people who don't seems half-assed at best.
Anyway, why are we all sitting around listening to a guy rant about politics when his educational background is firmly linguistics, and whose linguistic theories have been slapped down by science in favor of Deleuzian theories of linguistics. I mean, seriously, guys.
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When I came back from Vietnam, I eventually found myself screaming on a psyche ward that everything was a lie. When the nurses came running into my room, I gave them a history lesson about what their country did in a beautiful country called Vietnam. I was like a knife, I slaughtered their belief systems. When I was done, there was total silence in the room. The hate came out of me like a raging hurricane. When I was done, I felt wasted inside. When the intellect can no longer censor the soul, the truth is born.
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Your troops die in foriegn lands for a foriegn power... it's not for OIL, it's for Israeli hegemony of the Middle East.
The Muslims have done nothing to the USA, no harm whatsoever, nothing at all.
Stand up to the Zionists in the USA... they are destroying your nation.
By night and by day...
Grow balls ya kunts...
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This article is as relevant today as it was when published more than a year ago by Michel Chossudovsky. Check out his Canadian website. It usually has quite thoughtful and well-researched pieces that don't make it into the US except via the internet.///
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The founding fathers having been pushed past their limits by a despot deliberately created this government so that injustices, crimes, and the treason that this administration have created should be checked by Congress.
The unfortunate part of all this is that no one realized that "the aquiring of money and therefore power" would be at the evil root of all of our ills.
What makes this "Mis-administration" believe that it has the power to perform these treasonous acts with impunity is that the electorate is so diverted with the extraneous acts of acquiring and dumbing down by the MSM that no one is really paying attention to nor are there enough protests for our basic liberties and those of the body human in other countries.
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that control. Nader has ALWAYS pursued that end for the benefit of the constitution, and
all of the people in this country. I'm not proud to be american, I'm shocked by how this
country has ignored the transformation to ignorance. Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us,
control of this country is no longer the peoples', and if we don't vote our conscience now,when will we? We as a people, should display a society that believes in and promotes
fairness and justice in this country as an example for other governments to emulate. This is America's responsibility.
Beware the military / industrial / corporate complex.
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It needs to be done. We need to be sending a message to all of the impending Bushi of this world. George Bush needs to be jailed and then followed by each of his henchmen. I contend that if you don't believe this, you just aren't a patriot.
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I wish Naom would write me about this...
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