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So Al Qaeda Is Defeated, Eh? Go Tell It to the Marines

By Robert Fisk, Independent UK. Posted June 2, 2008.


Recently the head of the CIA claimed it was winning the battle. Nonsense, argues Robert Fisk. The extremists in the Middle East are growing stronger.
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So al-Qa'ida is "almost defeated", is it? Major gains against al-Qa'ida. Essentially defeated. "On balance, we are doing pretty well," the CIA's boss, Michael Hayden, tells The Washington Post. "Near strategic defeat of al-Qa'ida in Iraq. Near strategic defeat for al-Qa'ida in Saudi Arabia. Significant setbacks for al-Qa'ida globally -- and here I'm going to use the word 'ideologically' -- as a lot of the Islamic world pushes back on their form of Islam." Well, you could have fooled me.

Six thousand dead in Afghanistan, tens of thousands dead in Iraq, a suicide bombing a day in Mesopotamia, the highest level of suicides ever in the US military -- the Arab press wisely ran this story head to head with Hayden's boasts -- and permanent US bases in Iraq after 31 December. And we've won?

Less than two years ago, we had an equally insane assessment of the war when General Peter Pace, the weird (and now mercifully retired) chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said of the American war in Iraq that "we are not winning but we are not losing". At which point, George Bush's Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, said he agreed with Pace that "we are not winning but we are not losing".

James Baker, who had just produced his own messy report on Iraq then said -- reader, please do not laugh or cry -- "I don't think you can say we're losing. By the same token, I'm not sure we're winning." Then Bush himself proclaimed, "We're not winning; we're not losing." Pity about the Iraqis. But anyway, now we really, really are winning. Or at least al-Qa'ida is "almost" -- note the "almost", folks -- defeated. So Mike Hayden tells us.

Am I alone in finding this stuff infantile to the point of madness? As long as there is injustice in the Middle East, al-Qa'ida will win. As long as we have 22 times as many Western forces in the Muslim world as we did at the time of the Crusades -- my calculations are pretty accurate -- we are going to be at war with Muslims. The hell-disaster of the Middle East is now spread across Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza, even Lebanon. And we are winning?

Yes, we've bought ourselves some time in Iraq by paying half of the insurgents to fight for us and to murder their al-Qa'ida cousins. Yes, we are continuing to prop up Saudi Arabia's head-chopping and torture-practising regime -- no problem there, I suppose, after our enthusiasm for "water-boarding" -- but this does not mean that al-Qa'ida is defeated.

Because al-Qa'ida is a way of thinking, not an army. It feeds on pain and fear and cruelty -- our cruelty and oppression -- and as long as we continue to dominate the Muslim world with our Apache helicopters and our tanks and our Humvees and our artillery and bombs and our "friendly" dictators, so will al-Qa'ida continue.

Must we live this madness through to the very end of the Bush regime in Washington? Is there no one in that magnificent, imperial city who understands what "we" are doing out here in the Middle East? Why on earth does The Washington Post even give room to the fantasies of a functionary from the CIA, the very organisation that failed to prevent 9/11 because -- if we are to believe what we are told -- a phone call in Arabic about crashing planes into the twin towers hadn't been translated in time? Are we going to bomb Iran? Is this what we are waiting for now? Or is it to be another proxy Iranian-American war in Lebanon, fought out by Hizbollah and the Israelis? And does Mike believe al-Qa'ida is in Iran?


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An occupation built on lies & greed.....
Posted by: Smiggsy on Jun 2, 2008 12:41 AM   
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So here approaches your chance later in the year to end the madness which is Iraq. Demand some accountability from the incumbents of the next elected government. Demand on withdrawal. It is your duty as good citizens & demand nothing less from your new prez.

Australia's new government was elected on a policy platform of the ADF's combat troop withdrawal from southern Iraq. Given they were elected to federal government a few months ago, they have actually kept up their end of the deal. They also officially criticized the previous conservative Australian government as being totally wrong, weak & politically compromised by following stupid George into a corrupt occupation. They also officially stated that the evidence presented by the USA for invading Iraq was based on lies & poor intelligence.

Thankfully the news today says they are leaving Iraq to come home.

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The good ole USA is going to be left carrying the burden completely alone & soon will have no international support for the whole mess.

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» Thank you Smiggsy....... Posted by: David/Daoud
» RE: Thank you Smiggsy....... Posted by: Captainmagic
Al Qaeda CANNOT be "Defeated" - IT DOES NOT EXIST
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 2, 2008 2:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is more recycled Orwellian propaganda compost.

"Al Qaeda" was created by Anglo-American intelligence Ops and has never EVER been a homegrown Mid East "terror" network of any kind let alone anything genuine.

People like British reporter Jason Burke, intel expert Webster Tarpley; not to mention Eckehardt Werthebach (ex president of German intelligence), the former president of Italy Francesco Cossiga, General Leonid Ivashov (Joint chief of staff of the Russian armies) have all gone on record to state "Al Qaeda" is an empty farce run by patsies and CIA-ISI western intelligence. All paid for and promoted by Anglo-American-Saudi brand Fascist corporate crime.

Even the FBI has publicly stated it has zero on “Al Qaeda” so-called mastermind Osama Bin Laden (ex CIA asset “Tim Osman” declared dead by Pakistan’s Benazir Bhutto) for bogus “war on terror”.

“the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.”
FBI Operative Rex Tomb (Chief of Investigative Publicity at the FBI speaking for the Justice Department. 6/5/2006)

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I want . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Jun 2, 2008 5:42 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
. . . more information on this Fulbright scholarship fiasco. Can someone link me? If the details are as Fisk presents them, that's some pretty underhanded shit on the part of Israel.

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» RE: I want . . . Posted by: samd11
The terror of terrorism is the threat of terror
Posted by: JohnJlws on Jun 2, 2008 5:52 AM   
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To suggest "al-Qa'ida" is defeated, or even to suggest it is weakened or on the run, which I have seen repeatedly is to once again suspend reality.

We, our country, has a huge bureaucracy consuming billions of dollars a year that was built because a few guys in dresses who live in caves flew some airplanes into buildings and killed several thousand people. And that is simply Homeland Security, never mind the obscene amounts of money we spend militarily.

Since then we've allowed our economy to be taken into the toilet, allowed our morality (what little we had) to be suspended with everything from torture to wanton slaughter of collatarel damage, allowed many of our perceived rights to be taken and to top it all off we're probably no "safer" today than we were the day before (9/10/2001).

The correct response to 9-1-1 would have been to track down bin Laden and his ilk and exterminate them. Instead we did all the preceding to "make us safer." I think we should have simply stuck with the duct tape and plastic idea. It would have been cheaper and we probably would have accomplished more.

Now we're touting "victory." Well, someone has won, but I can't say it's us. Watch the coming election and see if Bush/Rove/Cheney/republicans don't do something to scare us into a McCain presidency. "He'll be a lot better than the 'junior Senator from Illinois. McCain is a military man and he'll keep us safer.' And let's not even think about what a poor choice a woman would be if we had to fight for our very survival."

Watch and see and this will confirm that someone has won and it's not us. bin Laden couldn't have scripted a better outcome in his sick mind, if he'd had all of Hollywood working for him to produce this piece that would have been panned by the critics as completely beyond the realm of believability.

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nothing new
Posted by: richholland on Jun 2, 2008 6:56 AM   
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In the movie #apacalypse"by mr ford capollo or better said the dvd apocalypse redox a french character tells the Vietminh is set up by the Americans.
So AlQaida installed by the US is not new.

The USA is built on cheap peak oil. So in stead of mr.Kerry the president mr.Bush is a former oil man.Under the cicumstances the BEST man.

Since mr Clausewitz we know guerillafighters CANNOT win the war.
Obviously America will stay in Iraq for another 50 years.
In near future we will have alternative energy but in the hands of the BIG corporations, this happens allready in Europe.

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RE: As long as you are a foreign occuping force you may eventualy
Posted by: Squarehead on Jun 3, 2008 9:31 AM   
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As an aside, and about Iraq.

I want to mention Vladimir Peniakoff, who enters history as 'Popski' (as in PPA, Popski's Private Army, a nearly official British Army auxiliary reconnaissance unit in the North African desert 1942. The Brits have a sense of humor in these matters). Incidentally, this real history seems to be incorporated in the book and then the film, 'The English Patient'

Popski contended, as he wrote in his memoirs, that in terms of quality troops, his Iraqi Arab comrades were very good soldiers.

Any relevance to subsequent Iraqi history?

IN my opinion, the US Army had won, functionally, and now have thrown it all away.
Time to get out as fast as possible. It could not be any worse

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