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Brokaw's Blind Spot on Vietnam
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Tom Brokaw's best-selling book, Boom! Voices of the Sixties -- Personal Reflections on the '60s and Today, bills itself as "a virtual reunion of a cross section of the Sixties crowd, in an effort to discover what we might learn from each other, forty years later." Its 688 pages consist mainly of interviews with more than 80, mostly successful, veterans of the '60s, dealing with Vietnam, the civil rights and women's movements, and electoral politics. Other than Vietnam, his material is relatively unobjectionable, since America has made some progress -- though not as much as he suggests -- in the domestic arena. The personal stories of women leaders and courageous African-Americans, who rose to prominence from the trenches of the burgeoning women's movement and from the barricades of the civil rights movement, are inspiring.
But one reads the Vietnam War sections of Brokaw's book with a growing sense of amazement, disbelief and, ultimately, profound sadness. For Brokaw has, incredibly, managed to compile a lengthy book about the 1960s that barely mentions the central event which created and shaped it. A reader of Boom! would have no idea that U.S. leaders pursued a war that killed enormous numbers of Indochinese civilians and that this mass murder was the single most important factor prompting the various domestic convulsions we now call "The '60s."
Given Brokaw's many years as one of network television's main news anchors, and that his views so often reflect conventional wisdom, this omission raises troubling questions: is it really possible for America to have killed hundreds of thousands of Indochinese peasants and still, 30 years later, act as if it never happened? Has Brokaw really so sabotaged his own heartfelt call to unite America by ignoring what we learned from South Africa: that true national reconciliation can occur only if hard truths are acknowledged, responsibility taken and amends made?
Is our Indochina history really to remain a nightmare from which we will never awaken?
Partly as a result of America's continuing refusal to fully confront the history and legacy of its involvement in Indochina, U.S. leaders have been permitted to commit many of the same mistakes and war crimes in Iraq as they did in Vietnam. Historical analogy is, of course, debatable. But such parallels as the media buying George W. Bush's lies about weapons of mass destruction just as it did Lyndon B. Johnson's deceptions about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the ways in which the U.S. has been weakened in Iraq just as it was in Indochina, are too important to be ignored.
Brokaw's book provides a mirror reflecting the many ways America continues to live in a web of denial and deception. The key event of the 1960s was not "the Vietnam war" as Brokaw describes it -- a conventional war between opposing armies -- but U.S. leaders' approval of policies that led to the mass murder of civilians. Such "collateral damage" was inherent in fighting against a native population sheltering a guerrilla force seeking to expel a foreign invader. It is a fact that Washington -- whatever its declared intent or rhetorical conceits -- pursued a strategy and tactics that led to the killing of tremendous numbers of Indochinese civilians, and wounded and made homeless more than 10 million people, by dropping 6.7 million tons of bombs (and firing as much ground ordnance from Army bases and giant Navy ships) on tiny Indochina, more than triple the World War II bombing of all Europe and the Pacific theater. Former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, a principal architect of the Vietnam War, has estimated that 3.4 million Vietnamese died in the war. A sizable number of these were civilians, as were a very large number of Laotian and Cambodian peasants who died from years of U.S. bombing of their towns and villages.
It is also a fact that this bombing and shelling resulted in the "wanton destruction of towns and villages," "deportations" and "inhuman acts committed against any civilian population," acts which were included in the indictment of Nazi leaders at Nuremberg, and clearly violated the laws of war meant to protect civilians. It is difficult to see how U.S. leaders would not have been similarly indicted had the Nuremberg judgment been applied to their conduct of the war.
Interviewing more than 1,000 refugees from U.S. bombing in Laos in 1969-70, I was horrified to learn of grandmothers burned alive by U.S.-manufactured napalm, and children who had suffered the most painful deaths possible as U.S. antipersonnel bomb pellets shredded their small bodies. I learned of whole families slowly suffocating to death from American 500-pound and 1,000-pound bombs. I saw tens of thousands of innocent rice farmers turned into miserable refugees -- as U.S. bombers systematically destroyed their towns and villages and U.S.-supported forces deported them from the villages of their birth. The bombing mainly killed and wounded villagers, since the soldiers could survive in the forest. I was driven to near-desperation by realizing that carloads of more innocents were being murdered daily through similar U.S. bombing over vast areas of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam inhabited by millions of people. These policies were deliberate and were designed to terrorize a population into submission and capitulation.
The U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Refugees has estimated that more than 12 million Indochinese civilians were wounded or made homeless during the war, and that more than 600,000 civilians were killed. Other credible sources put the number of murdered civilians at two to three times that number. The vast majority of civilian casualties were inarguably caused by U.S. firepower.
It is also true of course that the war in Indochina included sizable military combat between armies. But one cannot seriously explore the '60s while ignoring the single most important factor that produced its social convulsions; America's murder of Indochinese civilians caused millions of idealistic young people to protest, at first decorously, and then with mounting fury and deepening despair as their protests were ignored and the killing increased -- day by day, month by month, year by year, for more than a decade. "Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" was not merely a slogan chanted by draft dodgers. It was a cry from the heart from millions of decent people -- of whom those of draft age were but a small minority -- who could not bear that their government was engaged in such wholesale slaughter of innocents, and that it was doing so in their name.
The undeclared and illegal war created massive resistance to the draft as those subject to it, horrified by the killing, objected to being forced to fight a war in which they did not believe and for ends they did not approve.
The war turned children against parents, a massive "inter-generation gap" as idealistic young people felt betrayed by, and then rebelled against, the elders of "the greatest generation," whom they had grown up believing in; sought to create alternative institutions; and ultimately failed because they were too angry, young, psychologically unaware, inexperienced, confused and undone by the drugs they had partly embraced to kill their pain.
The war ripped a generation apart from within, as many who believed in their elders and government, and either fought in Vietnam and/or joined conservative movements at home, were infuriated that their courage, sacrifice, morality and belief in nation were denigrated by the protesters.
The war tore apart the entire nation as a "Silent Majority" of Americans -- men and women much like Brokaw himself -- with "other priorities" than actively opposing the war in Vietnam, became furious at being regarded as immoral by people whom they saw as arrogant, self-righteous, filthy, narcissistic, anti-American and violent.
How Brokaw could write an entire book devoted to the '60s and ignore what was most toxic about the country's aggression against Vietnam and the many ways our involvement in Indochina more generally deformed and shaped our political culture -- not to mention Vietnam's -- is bewildering, to say the least.
Since Brokaw's book consists mainly of more than 80 interviews with veterans of the '60s, his biases are primarily revealed through his choice of interviewees. Democratic Party activist and businessman Sam Brown is cited twice in the book, but a seminal '60s figure like Tom Hayden is ignored. Sen. James Webb's portrayal of the war as solely a military battle, and of antiwar protesters as cowardly and unpatriotic, receives five or six times as much space as anyone else interviewed. The experiences of brave anti-draft leaders like David Harris, who went to jail out of moral opposition to the war, and courageous people like former volunteer chief Don Luce, who risked his life for years to bring civilian suffering to public attention -- including exposing the "tiger cages" and other torture of tens of thousands of political prisoners -- are not included.
Veterans like Colin Powell, Bob Kerrey, Wayne Downing and John McCain, who do not mention U.S. murder of civilians, are interviewed at length. The views of equally well-known veterans who bravely exposed and opposed the murder -- like John Kerry, Bobby Muller (whose organization won a Nobel Prize for the land mines treaty) and Ron Kovic (author of Born on the Fourth of July) -- are written out of Brokaw's history. Les Gelb, a former Department of Defense official who worked on the Pentagon Papers but kept silent, is interviewed. But Daniel Ellsberg, the former government official who bravely copied the papers and leaked them to the press, is not even mentioned, much less interviewed. War opponents like George McGovern, Gary Hart and Bill Clinton are only quoted about the war's aftermath -- not the crimes that led them to oppose it.
Brokaw peppers his book with disparaging comments about the leftist "extremists" who did not play by the rules. Many of his criticisms are justified, particularly the way in which radicals made themselves rather than the war the issue. But it is hardly justifiable to only criticize the extremism while ignoring the far more objectionable -- and criminal -- behavior by U.S. leaders that produced it.
One wishes that Brokaw had seen fit to interview John Kerry about his charge made nearly 40 years ago that U.S. leaders were war criminals. For it is this issue that goes to the heart of what triggered the upheavals of the '60s. If a hero like Kerry had the courage to tell the truth in 1971, jeopardizing his political career and potentially angering millions of Americans and fellow vets, why is Tom Brokaw so afraid to even raise the issue today? It is said that journalism is a rough draft of history. Alas, Brokaw's disappointing book is neither good reporting nor trustworthy history.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 16, 2008 2:04 AM
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Have you ever noticed the remarkable similarity between the smirk of Tom Brokaw, trusted and charismatic news anchor, and the smirk of George W. Bush? When they smirk, I'm guessing they're thinking "You people are so stupid that you'll believe whatever I say!" Just compare these beauties - who is less genuine?
George W. Bush's smirk and Tom Brokaw's smirk
For more on the psychology of Bush-Brokaw smirkiness, visit http://www.slate.com/id/1004144/
Brokaw is the epitome of the stuffed shirt - talking head phenomenon in nightly newscasting. And now he's writing revisionist history? Well... that's the story of his life. Spin the news, spin the history, all with a pleasant smirk.
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Posted by: Lauren on Apr 16, 2008 3:16 AM
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I realized his irresponsible presentation of this twisted version of events goes way back in a negative way into my life.
He is a nasty, lying, drug war front warrior to be sure. Sack him.
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Posted by: iconoblaster on Apr 16, 2008 3:41 AM
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then you deserve what you get.
Brokaw has never been anything more than a corporate shill just like the large majority of his peers.
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 16, 2008 4:49 AM
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From The Puppet Bass-Turds.
For Spewing
Another pile of
Corpirate
BU__! SH__!
The Sheeple
are given
Dumb A-S Awards
For turning on
Their
Indoctrination Sets.
Pile the children's
bodies high,
High as the Sky.
Dancing with the Shills.
Next American Martha.
Survival U.S.A.
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Posted by: cjsm on Apr 16, 2008 5:00 AM
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Yet they put on a smiling face and push the propaganda about what a righteous country the United States is, and how righteous and what heroes the President and military and CIA are. They are criminals and murders just as Bush, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and all the Presidents are.
My dream is someday all theses criminals will be put on trial for war crimes. And people like Brokaw will be included as accomplices, much like the propagandists for the 3rd Reich are guilty of murder themselves, even if they never pulled the trigger.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 16, 2008 6:01 AM
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So of course Tom Brokaw grew up with the skills of writing off history. Then again, any media hack would do it because it's already known that the media cheered the war in Vietnam just like they're cheering the war-turned-occupation in Iraq. Go figure.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 16, 2008 7:24 AM
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"Renaissance Weekend" (RW).
RW's are private, invitation-only retreats for leaders in business and finance, government, the media, religion, medicine, science, technology and the arts. Conversations are strictly off the record and subject matter ranges widely, tending to focus heavily on policy and business issues.
David Keene, a Republican member of the RW Advisory Board involved in the American Conservative Union, described Renaissance Weekends this way: "So many people are busy networking for their own advantage that it's something of a pain. Initially, I think (RW) envisioned something that was sort of a fun, but also intellectually and personally stimulating, weekend. But it became very quickly a sort of way that these people could help each other rise to power."
Bill and Hillary Clinton have attended 10 RW retreats which may explain how they "earned" $109 million since 2000.
Another RW attendee was Tom Brokaw. So much for objective main street reporting.
The past and present RW advisory board of both Democrats and Republicans includes the following elitist power brokers, corporate heads, educators and media personalities:
Bill Clinton
Gerald Ford
Rita Braver (TV News Correspondent)
Louis Cabot (Former Chm., Cabot Corp. & Brookings Institution)
Steve Case (Former Chm., AOL Time Warner)
Wesley Clark (Former Supreme Allied Commander, NATO)
Gordon Conway (President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Craig Fields (Former Chm., Defense Science Board & Director, D.A.R.P.A)
Howard Fineman (Chief Political Correspondent, Newsweek/TV Commentator)
Millard Fuller (Founder, Habitat for Humanity)
Gordon Gee (President, Vanderbilt University)
David Gergen (Former Presidential Advisor/Editor-at-large, U.S. News & World Report)
Bob Graham (U.S. Senator & Florida Governor)
Sir Jeremy Greenstock (Former British Ambassador to the United Nations)
Amy Gutmann (President, University of Pennsylvania)
Arianna Huffington (Political Commentator)
Myron Kandel (Former Financial Editor, CNN)
Rosabeth Moss Kanter (Professor, Harvard Business School/Author, World Class)
Rich Karlgaard (Publisher, Forbes)
William Kennard (Partner, Carlyle Group/Former Chm., Federal Communications Commission)
Frank Luntz (Political Consultant)
Fred Malek (Chm., Thayer Capital)
Sir Deryck Maughan (Chm., Citigroup International)
Newton Minow (Former Chm., F.C.C. & RAND Corp.)
Leslie Moonves (Chm., CBS)
Jay Nordlinger (Managing Editor, National Review)
Peter Norton (Creator, Norton Utilities)
Norman Ornstein (Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute)
Deval Patrick (Frmr. U.S. Asst. Atty.-General, & Gen. Counsel, Texaco and Coca-Cola Companies)
William Perry (Former U.S. Secretary of Defense)
David Pottruck (Former Chief Executive Officer, Charles Schwab Corp./Co-Author, Clicks & Mortar)
Diane Sawyer (TV News Host)
Robert Schuller II (Minister)
Christopher Shays (U.S. Congressman)
John Templeton, Jr. (President, Templeton Foundation)
Richard Thornburgh (GOP/PNAC signatory, Former U.S. Attorney-General & Pennsylvania Governor)
Richard Viguerie (GOP/Rightwing extremist, former Publisher, Conservative Digest)
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Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 16, 2008 8:41 AM
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Come on, AlterNet, that's where the real story is here.
Or, are you sneaking up on the truth?
We can handle it, can you?
The truth shall set us free. Love is only way forward.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 16, 2008 12:11 PM
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Simple as that..
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 16, 2008 12:11 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 16, 2008 1:49 PM
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As my late grandfather said in response to Generation:
"Is this Brokaw guy that fella on TV who talks like he's had a couple 5ths of whiskey?"
One round of that moron's "writing" was enough. We surely don't need another.
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Posted by: calibrit on Apr 17, 2008 7:39 AM
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Most people weren't hippies, and most people weren't keen on a lot of what the hippies did. However, when it came to what the hippies said about the war and about their own government, they were bang on the money and were entirely vindicated by the Pentagon Papers and the withdrawal from Vietnam. Millions were killed in the name of the "domino theory", for no purpose whatsoever.
The entire discussion about Vietnam, such as it is, in the media seems designed to ignore this very simple truth. We were wrong. Wrong to manufacture the war, wrong to prosecute it, wrong to commit war crimes, millions died as a result, and the only people who realized how to make it better and avoid the loss of millions of Indochinese and tens of thousands of American lives, were precisely those dirty f***ing hippies.
Ooh, it makes me mad. And I wasn't even born then.
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Posted by: grmartin on Apr 21, 2008 4:56 AM
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A sad commentary indeed.
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Posted by: hutch on Apr 25, 2008 10:05 AM
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He was then, as he is now, an upper middle class white man supporting the establishment.
If you take away the real journalists from the phony hacks, you will be lucky to end up with Bill Moyers.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 16, 2008 2:04 AM
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Have you ever noticed the remarkable similarity between the smirk of Tom Brokaw, trusted and charismatic news anchor, and the smirk of George W. Bush? When they smirk, I'm guessing they're thinking "You people are so stupid that you'll believe whatever I say!" Just compare these beauties - who is less genuine?
George W. Bush's smirk and Tom Brokaw's smirk
For more on the psychology of Bush-Brokaw smirkiness, visit http://www.slate.com/id/1004144/
Brokaw is the epitome of the stuffed shirt - talking head phenomenon in nightly newscasting. And now he's writing revisionist history? Well... that's the story of his life. Spin the news, spin the history, all with a pleasant smirk.
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Posted by: Lauren on Apr 16, 2008 3:16 AM
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I realized his irresponsible presentation of this twisted version of events goes way back in a negative way into my life.
He is a nasty, lying, drug war front warrior to be sure. Sack him.
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Posted by: iconoblaster on Apr 16, 2008 3:41 AM
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then you deserve what you get.
Brokaw has never been anything more than a corporate shill just like the large majority of his peers.
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 16, 2008 4:49 AM
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From The Puppet Bass-Turds.
For Spewing
Another pile of
Corpirate
BU__! SH__!
The Sheeple
are given
Dumb A-S Awards
For turning on
Their
Indoctrination Sets.
Pile the children's
bodies high,
High as the Sky.
Dancing with the Shills.
Next American Martha.
Survival U.S.A.
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Posted by: cjsm on Apr 16, 2008 5:00 AM
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Yet they put on a smiling face and push the propaganda about what a righteous country the United States is, and how righteous and what heroes the President and military and CIA are. They are criminals and murders just as Bush, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and all the Presidents are.
My dream is someday all theses criminals will be put on trial for war crimes. And people like Brokaw will be included as accomplices, much like the propagandists for the 3rd Reich are guilty of murder themselves, even if they never pulled the trigger.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 16, 2008 6:01 AM
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So of course Tom Brokaw grew up with the skills of writing off history. Then again, any media hack would do it because it's already known that the media cheered the war in Vietnam just like they're cheering the war-turned-occupation in Iraq. Go figure.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 16, 2008 7:24 AM
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"Renaissance Weekend" (RW).
RW's are private, invitation-only retreats for leaders in business and finance, government, the media, religion, medicine, science, technology and the arts. Conversations are strictly off the record and subject matter ranges widely, tending to focus heavily on policy and business issues.
David Keene, a Republican member of the RW Advisory Board involved in the American Conservative Union, described Renaissance Weekends this way: "So many people are busy networking for their own advantage that it's something of a pain. Initially, I think (RW) envisioned something that was sort of a fun, but also intellectually and personally stimulating, weekend. But it became very quickly a sort of way that these people could help each other rise to power."
Bill and Hillary Clinton have attended 10 RW retreats which may explain how they "earned" $109 million since 2000.
Another RW attendee was Tom Brokaw. So much for objective main street reporting.
The past and present RW advisory board of both Democrats and Republicans includes the following elitist power brokers, corporate heads, educators and media personalities:
Bill Clinton
Gerald Ford
Rita Braver (TV News Correspondent)
Louis Cabot (Former Chm., Cabot Corp. & Brookings Institution)
Steve Case (Former Chm., AOL Time Warner)
Wesley Clark (Former Supreme Allied Commander, NATO)
Gordon Conway (President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Craig Fields (Former Chm., Defense Science Board & Director, D.A.R.P.A)
Howard Fineman (Chief Political Correspondent, Newsweek/TV Commentator)
Millard Fuller (Founder, Habitat for Humanity)
Gordon Gee (President, Vanderbilt University)
David Gergen (Former Presidential Advisor/Editor-at-large, U.S. News & World Report)
Bob Graham (U.S. Senator & Florida Governor)
Sir Jeremy Greenstock (Former British Ambassador to the United Nations)
Amy Gutmann (President, University of Pennsylvania)
Arianna Huffington (Political Commentator)
Myron Kandel (Former Financial Editor, CNN)
Rosabeth Moss Kanter (Professor, Harvard Business School/Author, World Class)
Rich Karlgaard (Publisher, Forbes)
William Kennard (Partner, Carlyle Group/Former Chm., Federal Communications Commission)
Frank Luntz (Political Consultant)
Fred Malek (Chm., Thayer Capital)
Sir Deryck Maughan (Chm., Citigroup International)
Newton Minow (Former Chm., F.C.C. & RAND Corp.)
Leslie Moonves (Chm., CBS)
Jay Nordlinger (Managing Editor, National Review)
Peter Norton (Creator, Norton Utilities)
Norman Ornstein (Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute)
Deval Patrick (Frmr. U.S. Asst. Atty.-General, & Gen. Counsel, Texaco and Coca-Cola Companies)
William Perry (Former U.S. Secretary of Defense)
David Pottruck (Former Chief Executive Officer, Charles Schwab Corp./Co-Author, Clicks & Mortar)
Diane Sawyer (TV News Host)
Robert Schuller II (Minister)
Christopher Shays (U.S. Congressman)
John Templeton, Jr. (President, Templeton Foundation)
Richard Thornburgh (GOP/PNAC signatory, Former U.S. Attorney-General & Pennsylvania Governor)
Richard Viguerie (GOP/Rightwing extremist, former Publisher, Conservative Digest)
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 16, 2008 8:41 AM
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Come on, AlterNet, that's where the real story is here.
Or, are you sneaking up on the truth?
We can handle it, can you?
The truth shall set us free. Love is only way forward.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 16, 2008 12:11 PM
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Simple as that..
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Posted by: cacky on Apr 16, 2008 1:11 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 16, 2008 1:49 PM
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As my late grandfather said in response to Generation:
"Is this Brokaw guy that fella on TV who talks like he's had a couple 5ths of whiskey?"
One round of that moron's "writing" was enough. We surely don't need another.
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Posted by: bessie on Apr 16, 2008 4:38 PM
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Posted by: calibrit on Apr 17, 2008 7:39 AM
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Most people weren't hippies, and most people weren't keen on a lot of what the hippies did. However, when it came to what the hippies said about the war and about their own government, they were bang on the money and were entirely vindicated by the Pentagon Papers and the withdrawal from Vietnam. Millions were killed in the name of the "domino theory", for no purpose whatsoever.
The entire discussion about Vietnam, such as it is, in the media seems designed to ignore this very simple truth. We were wrong. Wrong to manufacture the war, wrong to prosecute it, wrong to commit war crimes, millions died as a result, and the only people who realized how to make it better and avoid the loss of millions of Indochinese and tens of thousands of American lives, were precisely those dirty f***ing hippies.
Ooh, it makes me mad. And I wasn't even born then.
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Posted by: grmartin on Apr 21, 2008 4:56 AM
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A sad commentary indeed.
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Posted by: hutch on Apr 25, 2008 10:05 AM
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He was then, as he is now, an upper middle class white man supporting the establishment.
If you take away the real journalists from the phony hacks, you will be lucky to end up with Bill Moyers.
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