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Cost of Occupation in Iraq: $3 Trillion Estimate Was Too Low
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We believe that it is, in fact, conservative. Even the president would have to admit that the $50 to $60 billion estimate given by the administration before the war was wildly off the mark; there is little reason to have confidence in their arithmetic. They admit to a cost so far of $600 billion.
Our numbers differ from theirs for three reasons: first, we are estimating the total cost of the war, under alternative conservative scenarios, derived from the defense department and congressional budget office. We are not looking at McCain's 100-year scenario - we assume that we are there, in diminished strength, only through to 2017. But neither are we looking at a scenario that sees our troops pulled out within six months. With operational spending going on at $12 billion a month, and with every year costing more than the last, it is easy to come to a total operational cost that is double the $600 billion already spent.
Second, we include war expenditures hidden elsewhere in the budget, and budgetary expenditures that we would have to incur in the future even if we left tomorrow. Most important of these are future costs of caring for the 40 percent of returning veterans that are likely to suffer from disabilities (in excess of $600 billion; second world war veterans' costs didn't peak until 1993), and restoring the military to its prewar strength. If you include interest, and interest on the interest - with all of the war debt financed - the budgetary costs quickly mount.
Finally, our $3 trillion dollars estimate also includes costs to the economy that go beyond the budget, for instance the cost of caring for the huge number of returning disabled veterans that go beyond the costs borne by the federal government -- in one out of five families with a serious disability, someone has to give up a job. The macro-economic costs are even larger. Almost every expert we have talked to agrees that the war has had something to do with the rise in the price of oil; it was not just an accident that oil prices began to soar at the same time as the war began.
We have been criticized, but for being excessively conservative, for including only $5 to $10 of the $75 to $85 increase in the price of oil since then. Money spent on the war -- on a Nepalese contractor working in Iraq -- does not stimulate the economy as much as money spent on hospitals or research or schools at home. These contractionary effects were temporarily covered up, hidden, by the flood of liquidity and lax regulations that led to a housing bubble and a consumption boom - with household savings plummeting to zero. But this simply postponed paying these costs - and increased them.
With the exception of a few lonely surviving supply-siders, most economists believe that deficits matter, and the huge deficits to finance the war will have their toll in the long run. Deficits matter in both the short run and the long. They help crowd out private investment that would have stimulated the economy far more than the war expenditures; and the reduced investments reduce long-run productivity. With 40 percent of the funds borrowed from abroad, Americans will be sending interest payments abroad -- lowering living standards at home. Finally, even Fed Chair Bernanke (formerly the president's economic adviser) admits that the deficits have reduced the room to manoeuvre -- the ability of the government to respond to the looming economic crisis.
Spending so much on the war has economic consequences, even if you don't think there is any connection between the war and the economy's current woes.
In adding up the quantifiable costs of the war, it is hard not to come up with a number in excess of $3 trillion. In putting a $3 trillion price tag on the war, we believe we have been excessively conservative - a $4 or $5 trillion tag would be more reasonable. And remember - this is just the cost for America.
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Posted by: Lauren on Apr 8, 2008 3:43 AM
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Hello. . .
it was planned from the beginning.
The Bush administration has done every thing possible to destroy our country's might. Congress and the senate were in on it. Obvious is the word I use to describe it, but we all know how obnoxious and ignorable I am. Ignore me at your own peril.
I'm listening to Mika interview Hillary. I just sent MSNBC a note because Mika's comments on the youth involvement was digitally edited from MY viewing pleasure. I suspect a conspiracy to silence us.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 8, 2008 4:19 AM
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Posted by: Elendil on Apr 8, 2008 6:03 AM
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» Precisely! It is all out war on the middle class
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Posted by: swamiji on Apr 8, 2008 6:23 AM
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Posted by: kiel on Apr 8, 2008 6:31 AM
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Posted by: vision on Apr 8, 2008 7:26 AM
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One thing this administration has done extremely well is put wealth in the pockets of the wealthiest. Can't imagine why.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 9:37 AM
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More than likely, seen from a Middle East Muslim perspective, that definition does NOT apply to the United States.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 8, 2008 10:51 AM
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That's a popular NewSpeak word, which essentially means making someone else do the work, while you benefit from it. Slavery was an institution dedicated to "externalizing costs", for example. In modern usage, it usually means getting your hands on large amounts of the funds donated to the government by taxpayers via crony connections with corrupt politicians, and also making sure that the press doesn't report on such "transactions".
In Newspeak, "cost externalization" is a good thing, done by smart businesspeople, in the name of increasing efficiency, for the benefit of society, amen. Think "collateral damage": A lot of people get screwed over so a few can accumulate billions in capital.
Now, we could point to this article and say: here is yet another economic analysis which ignores the environmental and human cost of the war in Iraq - because economists have no good method for assigning dollar values to environmental and human disasters. It's like asking a lawyer to be a physician. They don't know where to begin. They need to learn, though.
How much does a maimed soldier cost a family? Does a permanently crippled soldier cost more than a dead soldier? Dead soldiers won't ask for veteran's benefits 20 years from now, right? They won't be around to give their kids advice and help, either. How much does that cost? There's a kind of ugliness to this kind of economic accounting, which Stiglitz has indeed addressed: Stiglitz says GDP may be poor indicator of economy, Jan 2008
So, how do we assess the true cost of the war in Iraq? We'd have to add up the economic disaster (described by Stiglitz here), the environmental disaster (salting the ground with DU, destroying the water and sanitation systems, disease outbreaks, etc.) and the human disaster (destroyed families, torture and rape victims, millions of refugees in the region). Putting a dollar cost on all that (or is it a euro cost?) is almost impossible, but it is a complete disaster.
That's not how it looks to Wall Street, though.
If we look at this through Wall Street's eyes, we note the following: Iraq has something like 200 billion barrels of high-quality, cheap-to-produce oil. If they get production up to 5 million barrels a day, that's a guaranteed revenue of some $200 billion a year. Will that be going into Iraqi government coffers, or into Manhattan and London bank accounts? (So far, it's been going into those bank accounts!).
In terms of the costs of the war, Bush has ensured that those are all carried by the public, not by Wall Street. (The same is true for the subprime collapse, by the way). Thus, Wall Street still sees nothing but gravy ahead under business-as-usual.
If we leave Iraq, that means that U.S. oil corporations are likely going to be shut out, or at most play a minor role - they'll be faced with buying Iraqi oil at going market rates, rather than having direct access to their own booked reserves.
You see, we are running out of cheap oil. Oil corporations have run up dry in new discovery and exploration. If they want to increase their booked reserves, they have three choices: buy up other companies, go into risky and polluting ventures like tar sands and oil shale, or get their hands on foreign national's oilfields - the only option there is Iraq. However, the Iraqis are not going to accept permanent colonial status.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Apr 8, 2008 5:01 PM
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I mean too the money that has been paid in pay-offs to citizen Iraqies to "not" fight against US. You even that little $300 check everyone is suppose to get in the mail as a economic stimulas is part of the picture because of the neglect to domestic policies that have been ignored by the BUsh Head.
DOn't forget the extra tariffs and all the homeland security wastes that have been incurred as a direct consiquence of the Iraq Invasion (not terrorism!)
Don't forget the higher prices everyone pays for food, medical, needs housing , home building (then of course that's all down the shit hole too as far as value).
Oh, and let's include all the corporations and people who are out of business and bank ruptsies, all because of direct negligence of domestic attention.
How about the price of building supplies that we pay for that go to Iraq and the higher price for the same here at home because of the supply and demand pricing when supplies are short on hand, like dry wall and plywood.
YAh, this whole covering up of the true cost of the war is part of the wash washing of the news.
Just remember, all these statistical references are all "rounded-off" to the nearest billion now. Or should we say 100 billion, As if a million dollars is some kind of chump-change.
But it all doesn't make any difference anyway, as Cheney says.
Hell, just let the Federal Reserve print some more. Money is just an archaic mythical old method of economics. Debt is the only money.
Got some?
I just want to know why Americans don't start accepting Euro's?
I mean they are worth more than dollars. Why is everyone clinging on in blind faith to a defunct monetary denomination?
I think all business's should start accepting Euro's as a standard practice. After all the Saudi's do!
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Posted by: PaulC on Apr 8, 2008 9:19 PM
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Almost singlehandedly Stiglitz has shoved the Milton Friedman genie back in his academic bottle. Now it is up to us to become disciples armed with overwhelming evidence to spread the word and put an end to the lie of markets uber alles. Please read his layman friendly but immensely informative book "Globalization and its discontents" (available in paperback).
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: Lauren on Apr 8, 2008 3:43 AM
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Hello. . .
it was planned from the beginning.
The Bush administration has done every thing possible to destroy our country's might. Congress and the senate were in on it. Obvious is the word I use to describe it, but we all know how obnoxious and ignorable I am. Ignore me at your own peril.
I'm listening to Mika interview Hillary. I just sent MSNBC a note because Mika's comments on the youth involvement was digitally edited from MY viewing pleasure. I suspect a conspiracy to silence us.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 8, 2008 4:19 AM
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Posted by: swamiji on Apr 8, 2008 6:23 AM
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Posted by: kiel on Apr 8, 2008 6:31 AM
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Posted by: vision on Apr 8, 2008 7:26 AM
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One thing this administration has done extremely well is put wealth in the pockets of the wealthiest. Can't imagine why.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 9:37 AM
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More than likely, seen from a Middle East Muslim perspective, that definition does NOT apply to the United States.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 8, 2008 10:51 AM
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That's a popular NewSpeak word, which essentially means making someone else do the work, while you benefit from it. Slavery was an institution dedicated to "externalizing costs", for example. In modern usage, it usually means getting your hands on large amounts of the funds donated to the government by taxpayers via crony connections with corrupt politicians, and also making sure that the press doesn't report on such "transactions".
In Newspeak, "cost externalization" is a good thing, done by smart businesspeople, in the name of increasing efficiency, for the benefit of society, amen. Think "collateral damage": A lot of people get screwed over so a few can accumulate billions in capital.
Now, we could point to this article and say: here is yet another economic analysis which ignores the environmental and human cost of the war in Iraq - because economists have no good method for assigning dollar values to environmental and human disasters. It's like asking a lawyer to be a physician. They don't know where to begin. They need to learn, though.
How much does a maimed soldier cost a family? Does a permanently crippled soldier cost more than a dead soldier? Dead soldiers won't ask for veteran's benefits 20 years from now, right? They won't be around to give their kids advice and help, either. How much does that cost? There's a kind of ugliness to this kind of economic accounting, which Stiglitz has indeed addressed: Stiglitz says GDP may be poor indicator of economy, Jan 2008
So, how do we assess the true cost of the war in Iraq? We'd have to add up the economic disaster (described by Stiglitz here), the environmental disaster (salting the ground with DU, destroying the water and sanitation systems, disease outbreaks, etc.) and the human disaster (destroyed families, torture and rape victims, millions of refugees in the region). Putting a dollar cost on all that (or is it a euro cost?) is almost impossible, but it is a complete disaster.
That's not how it looks to Wall Street, though.
If we look at this through Wall Street's eyes, we note the following: Iraq has something like 200 billion barrels of high-quality, cheap-to-produce oil. If they get production up to 5 million barrels a day, that's a guaranteed revenue of some $200 billion a year. Will that be going into Iraqi government coffers, or into Manhattan and London bank accounts? (So far, it's been going into those bank accounts!).
In terms of the costs of the war, Bush has ensured that those are all carried by the public, not by Wall Street. (The same is true for the subprime collapse, by the way). Thus, Wall Street still sees nothing but gravy ahead under business-as-usual.
If we leave Iraq, that means that U.S. oil corporations are likely going to be shut out, or at most play a minor role - they'll be faced with buying Iraqi oil at going market rates, rather than having direct access to their own booked reserves.
You see, we are running out of cheap oil. Oil corporations have run up dry in new discovery and exploration. If they want to increase their booked reserves, they have three choices: buy up other companies, go into risky and polluting ventures like tar sands and oil shale, or get their hands on foreign national's oilfields - the only option there is Iraq. However, the Iraqis are not going to accept permanent colonial status.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Apr 8, 2008 5:01 PM
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I mean too the money that has been paid in pay-offs to citizen Iraqies to "not" fight against US. You even that little $300 check everyone is suppose to get in the mail as a economic stimulas is part of the picture because of the neglect to domestic policies that have been ignored by the BUsh Head.
DOn't forget the extra tariffs and all the homeland security wastes that have been incurred as a direct consiquence of the Iraq Invasion (not terrorism!)
Don't forget the higher prices everyone pays for food, medical, needs housing , home building (then of course that's all down the shit hole too as far as value).
Oh, and let's include all the corporations and people who are out of business and bank ruptsies, all because of direct negligence of domestic attention.
How about the price of building supplies that we pay for that go to Iraq and the higher price for the same here at home because of the supply and demand pricing when supplies are short on hand, like dry wall and plywood.
YAh, this whole covering up of the true cost of the war is part of the wash washing of the news.
Just remember, all these statistical references are all "rounded-off" to the nearest billion now. Or should we say 100 billion, As if a million dollars is some kind of chump-change.
But it all doesn't make any difference anyway, as Cheney says.
Hell, just let the Federal Reserve print some more. Money is just an archaic mythical old method of economics. Debt is the only money.
Got some?
I just want to know why Americans don't start accepting Euro's?
I mean they are worth more than dollars. Why is everyone clinging on in blind faith to a defunct monetary denomination?
I think all business's should start accepting Euro's as a standard practice. After all the Saudi's do!
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Posted by: PaulC on Apr 8, 2008 9:19 PM
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Almost singlehandedly Stiglitz has shoved the Milton Friedman genie back in his academic bottle. Now it is up to us to become disciples armed with overwhelming evidence to spread the word and put an end to the lie of markets uber alles. Please read his layman friendly but immensely informative book "Globalization and its discontents" (available in paperback).
peace,
Paul
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