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How Lethally Stupid Can One Country Be?

By David Michael Green, AlterNet. Posted March 28, 2008.


Presidents and prime ministers will lie their countries into war -- but why do We the People keep buying it?
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Watching George W. Bush in operation these last couple of weeks is like having an out-of-body experience. On acid. During a nightmare. In a different galaxy.

As he presides over the latest disaster of his administration (No, it's not a terrorist attack -- that was 2001! No, it's not a catastrophic war -- that was 2003! No, it's not a drowning city -- that was 2005! This one is an economic meltdown, ladies and gentlemen!) bringing to it the same blithe disengagement with which he's attended the previous ones, you cannot but stop and gaze in stark comedic awe, realizing that the most powerful polity that ever existed on the planet twice picked this imbecilic buffoon as its leader, from among 300 million other choices. Seeing him clown with the Washington press corps yet once again -- and seeing them fawn over him, laugh in all the right places, and give him a standing ovation, also yet once again -- is the equivalent of having all your logic circuits blown simultaneously. Truly, the universe has a twisted and deeply ironic sense of humor. Monty Python is about as funny -- and as stiff -- as Dick Nixon, by comparison.

It's simply incomprehensible. It's not so astonishing, of course, that a country could have a bad leader whose aims are nefarious on the occasions when they are competent enough to rise to that level of intentionality. Plenty of countries have managed that feat, especially when -- as was the case with Bush -- every sort of scam is employed to steal power, and then pure corruption and intimidation used to keep it. History is quite littered indeed with bimbos and petty criminals of this caliber. What is harder to explain is how the citizens of a country of such remarkable achievements in other domains, and with the capacity to choose, allow this to happen. And then stand by silently watching for eight years as the tragedy unfolds before their eyes.

But let's give credit where credit is due. This is precisely by design. This is exactly the outcome intended by the greatest propaganda-promulgating regime since Hermann Göring set fire to the Reichstag. It was Göring himself who famously reminded us that, "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sure worked in Germany. And it worked even better here, because these guys were so absolutely careful to avoid exposing the costs of their war to those who could demand its end. For example, by some counts, there are more mercenaries in Iraq, at extremely high cost, than there are U.S. military personnel.

There's only one reason for that. If the administration implemented the draft that is actually necessary to supply this war with adequate personnel, the public would end both the war and the careers of its sponsors, post haste. For the same reason, this is the first American war ever which has not only not been accompanied by a tax increase, but has in fact witnessed a tax cut. Likewise -- to "preserve the dignity" of the dead, of course -- you are no longer permitted to see photographs of flag-draped caskets returning to Dover Air Force Base. And the press are embedded with forces who are also responsible for their safety, which is just a fancy way of saying that they're so censored they make Pravda look good. It is, in short, quite easy for average Americans to get through their day, every day, without the war impacting their lives in any visible respect, and that is precisely what hundreds of millions of us are doing, week in and week out. All of this is courtesy of an administration that couldn't run a governmental program to save its own life -- but, boy, it sure as hell knows how to market stuff.

Perhaps Americans and American democracy are no wiser or better than any other people or political system, even today, even after the worst century of warfare in human history, even after the mirror-image experience of Vietnam. Maybe the experience of Iraq hasn't even changed them, and they'll once again follow like lemmings when led to war by pathetic creatures such as George W. Bush, 50 years from now. Or five years from now. Or even five months from now, as Dick Cheney tees up a confrontation with Iran in order keep Democrats out of the White House and himself out of jail.

Sure, presidents and prime ministers, no less than kings and führers, will lie their countries into war. Sure, they're very good at it and getting better all the time. Definitely a frightened people are more prone to stupidity than those lucky enough to contemplate in the luxury of quiet safety. Without question, it helps an awful lot -- if you're just Joe Sixpack, out there trying to figure out international politics in between a long day's work, helping the kids with their algebra homework, and the Yankee game -- to have a checking-and-balancing Congress, a responsible opposition party, and/or a critical media helping you to understand the issues accurately, rather than gleefully capitulating to executive power at every opportunity. But that by no means excuses a public who was fundamentally far more lazy than they were ignorant or confused. And lazy is one thing when you're talking about a highway bill or even national healthcare. But when it comes to war, lazy is murder.

I don't think it took a giant leap of logic to understand that this war was bogus from the beginning, even based on what was known at the time. The war was sold on three basic arguments, each of which could have been easily dismantled even then with a little thoughtful consideration.

The first was WMD, of course. So, OK, perhaps your average American didn't know that the United States government (including many in the current administration) had actually once supplied Saddam Hussein the material to make these evil weapons and had covered for him at the United Nations and elsewhere when he used them. This historical myopia is very much part of the problem, of course. Americans are so ready to denounce supposed enemies without doing the slightest bit of historical homework to make sense of the situation. If you don't know that the United States actually canceled elections and helped assassinate a "democratic" president in Vietnam, of course you're going to support war there. If you don't know that the United States toppled a democratically elected Iranian government to steal the country's oil and then installed a brutal dictatorship in its place, of course you're going to be angry at U.S. diplomats being held hostage. And if you don't bother to learn the true history of Iraq, perhaps you'll find the WMD argument quite persuasive.

But, in fact, even without the historical background information, it never made a damn bit of sense. Iraq had been pulverized by war and sanctions for over 20 years prior to 2003. Two-thirds of its airspace was controlled by foreign militaries. Its northern region was effectively autonomous, a separate country in all but name. It was in no position to attack anyone. Moreover, it hadn't attacked anyone -- not the United States or anyone else. Indeed, it hadn't even threatened to attack anyone. Shouldn't that be part of the calculation in determining whether to go to war? Do we really want to give carte blanche to any dry (we hope) drunkard in the White House who today wants to bomb Norway ("They're stealing our fish!") or tomorrow wants to invade Burkina Faso ("They dress funny!")?

Too often, of course, the historical answer to that question has unfortunately been yes, we apparently do want to do that. But let's consider the massive warning signs in this case, even apart from what could be known about the administration's lies at the time. Shouldn't it have been enormously problematic that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? Even the administration never had the gall to make that claim. Wasn't it transparent to anyone that America had plenty on its plate already in dealing with the enemy we were told we had, rather than adding a new adventure to the pile? And why wasn't this thing selling throughout the world, or even amongst the traitorous half of the Democratic Party in Congress? Remember how everyone at home and abroad -- yes, including the French -- supported the United States and its military actions in Afghanistan only 12 months before? Shouldn't it have been a warning sign of epic proportions that these same folks wouldn't countenance a war in Iraq just a year later? That the administration had to yank its Security Council resolution off the table, even after breaking both the arms of every member-state around the horseshoe table, because it could still only get Britain and two other patsies to lie down for this outrage, out of a total of 15, and nine needed to pass?

And how about the logic of that whole WMD thing, after all? Did anyone ever stop to think that 36 other countries were thought to have clandestine WMD programs, including around a dozen that are pretty hostile to the United States? Did anyone not remember that the Soviets once had nearly 25,000 strategic nuclear warheads pointed in our direction? What ever happened to the logic of deterrence? To mutually assured destruction? And what about the mad rush to go to war, preempting the U.N. weapons inspectors from doing their job? Are we really OK with the notion that instead of "risking" whatever would have been at risk by giving the inspectors another six or eight weeks to finish up, we've instead bought this devastating war down on our own heads for no reason at all?

The second rationale for war was the bogus linkage between Iraq and al Qaeda. The extent and ramifications of this lie are so significant that the White House, it was just recently revealed, squelched a Pentagon report showing no connections between the two. Remember how definitive Cheney and the rest were of this supposed al Qaeda linkage, based pretty much entirely on a meeting between two operatives in Prague which likely didn't even take place? Now we find out that the Department of Defense has spent the last five years combing through a mere 600,000 documents, and found zero evidence of such a link. Not some evidence. Not mixed evidence. Zero evidence.

Then, once again, there's the matter of that whole pesky logic thing. Pay attention now, class. What do we know about al Qaeda? They are devoted to religious war -- jihad -- in the name of replacing governments across the Middle East with theocracies, or better yet recreating the old Islamic caliphate stretching across the region, right? Right. Now if this vision could have more thoroughly contradicted Saddam's agenda for a secular dictatorship seeking regional domination on his own Stalinist terms, it is hard to imagine how. You don't need a Ph.D. in international politics to see that these two actors were about as antithetical to each other as the Republican Party is to integrity.

Lastly, Bush's little adventure in Mesopotamia was supposed to bring democracy to the region, remember? Never mind, of course, that there has long already been a fairly thriving Islamic democracy, right next door. Oops! It's called Turkey. And let's not forget Mr. Bush's long-standing devotion to democracy, as he amply demonstrated in the American election of 2000. Or as he has continually manifested by bravely and publicly pushing the Chinese to democratize. Just as he has with his pals in Egypt and especially the family friends running Saudi Arabia, the recipient of more American foreign aid than nearly any other country in all the world.

What is clear is that the reasons given to the American public for the war in Iraq were entirely bogus. This much is already on the public record, from the Downing Street memos and beyond. Even if we can only speculate on why they actually invaded -- oil, glory, personal insecurity, Israel, clobbering Democrats, Middle Eastern dominance -- what we know for sure is that the rationale fed to the public was a knowingly fabricated pack of scummy lies. It wasn't about WMD, it wasn't about links to al Qaeda, and it sure wasn't about democracy.

But even if we can't identify the true motivations within the administration for invading, we can surely begin to see the costs. Probably a million Iraqi civilians are dead. Over 4 million are displaced and now living as refugees. Together, these equal a staggering one-fifth of the population of the entire country. Meanwhile, the remaining four-fifths are living in squalor, fear and a psychological damage so extensive that it is hard to grasp. America has lost 4,000 soldiers, with perhaps another 30,000 gravely wounded. Hundreds of thousands more will be scarred for life from their experiences in the hell of Mr. Bush's war. Our military is broken and incapable of responding to a real emergency, at home or abroad. Our economy will sustain a blow of perhaps $3 trillion before all is said and done. Our reputation in the world is in the toilet. We have turned the Iranian theocracy into a regional hegemon. And we have massively proliferated our own enemies within the Islamic community. That would be one hell of an expensive war, even if the reasons given for it were legitimate. It is nearly incomprehensible considering that they were not.

This week, a man died in France, the last surviving veteran of World War I, a devastating conflict that -- even a century later -- nobody can really explain to this day. Meanwhile, Dick Cheney, John McCain and Joe "Make-me-SecDef-Mac-oh-please-pick-me-Mac" Lieberman parachuted into Iraq for photo-ops to sustain the war they don't have the integrity or the guts to abandon. Never mind that their visits had to be by surprise, and that they stroll around the Green Zone wearing armored vests -- surely the most powerful measures of the war's success imaginable. Of course, to be fair, we've only been at it for five years now. Perhaps after the remaining 95 on McCain's agenda go by, Americans will finally be safe enough in Iraq to announce their visits in advance.

So, happy anniversary, America! You put these people in charge, and then -- after seeing in explicit in detail what they were capable of -- you actually did it again in 2004! You stood by in silence watching the devastation wrought upon an innocent people, produced in your name and financed by your tax dollars. And you continue to do just that again, now in Year Six.

Brilliant! Put on your party hat, America. You won the prize.

You've successfully answered the musical question, "How lethally stupid can one country be?"

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David Michael Green is a professor of political science at Hofstra University. He is delighted to receive readers' reactions to his articles (dmg@regressiveantidote.net) but regrets that time constraints do not always allow him to respond. More of his work can be found at www.regressiveantidote.net/.

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The Next Chapter Has Been Written
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 28, 2008 12:46 AM   
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Barbara Tuchman wrote a brilliant book on this kind of thing. It's called The March of Folly and I recommend that you read it if you haven't and re-read if you have read it in the past.

Here is a portion of an article that describes the book:
"To qualify as folly for this book, Tuchman explains, acts have to be clearly contrary to the self-interest of the organization or group pursuing them; conducted over a period of time, not just in a single burst of irrational behavior; conducted by a number of individuals, not just one deranged maniac; and, importantly, there have to be people alive at the time who pointed out correctly why the act in question was folly (no 20/20 hindsight allowed)."
Leo Hourvitz- stoneschool.com (see reviews)

I think that the whole Bush escapade, from his appointment to the last minutes on inauguration day 2009 will qualify for Ms Tuchman's definition. Unless things change, and I'm not encouraged, this will mark the apex of the American nation and culture. We will drown in a sea of debt, plutocracy, decimated international influence, defiled culture, societal ignorance, graft, deindustrialization and debased environment.

I don't relish the thought and do not think it has to be this way of such a precipitous decline, but history shows just how sharply the fate of nations can change and we live in a time when timescales are very compressed by historical standards. It's not too late, but it's pretty damn late.

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I'll tell ya why Americans keep buyin' it
Posted by: Dboy on Mar 28, 2008 1:17 AM   
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Yes, obviously Americans are idiots, but...

Regarding Iraq, we were given information(propaganda) that supported going into Iraq. Even Colin Powell testified (UN speech) on the topic. At that time, Powell could do no wrong and was really the only person that Americans believed in..of course he was proven to be just as much a lying dirt-bag as the rest of them, but we didn't know that then. Americans were freaked out. Afterall, 9/11 was a very successful attack, very well planned, very well targeted (the choice of WTC made alot of sense, regardless of who actually picked the target).

At that time nobody considered the possiblity that the victims of 9/11 were actually killed by their own government, or that Mossad was pre-positioned in NYC that day, or that WTC-7 fell over without being hit by a plane...we didn't know most of that stuff, and most people STILL don't. We might be a touch less gullible that we were in 2001, but not much less.

We continue to fall for these wars because each time the story is different enough, and the story is manufactured smartly enough, and the information is controlled enough that Americans really can't do much more than give our criminal government the benefit of the doubt.

Besides, even if Americans were dead-set against a particular war, what could we do about it anyway? We do not control this government. We don't even have a say in this government. This is a rogue state, as all Alternet readers already know. So the government doesn't really have to sell these wars all that hard. Between media manipulation and American's generally ignorance about the world, selling a war is a cakewalk.

dboy

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» This is how you guys lose credibility Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» RE: the credibility problem is YOURS! Posted by: edgeofnowhere
» Sorry, Dboy Posted by: Aimleft
» Colin Powell - Iran-Contra Posted by: jparsons
Given a choice between admitting we have been screwed and hoping we have not
Posted by: Rune on Mar 28, 2008 1:31 AM   
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most people will choose to hang on to hope, no matter how slim, then reckon with the despair that is worthy of the most likely conclusions supported by the evidence surrounding them. It is just too painful and demoralizing to admit that things really are as corrupt and dire as intuition or analysis suggest, so a hasty retreat into the fantasy of nationalism, jingoism, and, these days, consumerism, however scaled down and cheapened, makes for a welcome shelter from reality. Works like a charm for most folks, it seems.

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» RE: superior education=bad Posted by: e rice
» Its just too painful... Posted by: Cathyc
Good background knowledge for all of us.
Posted by: HKG_sputnik on Mar 28, 2008 2:18 AM   
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I hope that most people have already heard of and read this book: 'Shock Doctrine' by Naomi Klein (author's website: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine). If you haven't, seriously consider reading it. It's scary and disillusioning, but knowledge is still power - doing something with that knowledge is the next step.

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How Stupid Indeed
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 28, 2008 3:00 AM   
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We've got to face some serious facts here, campers: The American people are among the stupidest creatures to ever walk on two feet. Case in point: FOX and Friends.

NEWS FOR IDIOTS
Every once in a while, I'll tape an entire two hour segment of FOX and Friends. It is the modern day equivalent of watching the old, 1965 movie, Hold On! starring the deservedly forgotten British pop band, Herman's Hermits - so mind-fuckingly awful that it's actually fun to watch. The very fact that this lame assemblage of info-taining, trivial nonsense is the highest rated morning cable "news" program is instructive when trying to get to the bottom of the question as to why the American people are the dumbest, least informed, unenlightened people this side of the Milky Way and why we are - no doubt about it - the laughjingstock of the entire planet.

FOX Noise is merely a propaganda wing of the Republican National Committee. It's message is as simplistic as it is unbalanced:

CONSEVATIVE=GOOD. LIBERAL=BAD.
Think of it as Mallard Fillmore in real time.

Don'cha feel kinda silly being a citizen of this sick, twisted country? Jeepers Creepers, I sure do!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Bush's War

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» Dear Moira, Posted by: Tom Degan
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» Stupid not, Washed over yes, and IGNORED Posted by: common intelligence
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Joe Lieberman as Secretary of Defense?
Posted by: Luther Blissett on Mar 28, 2008 4:18 AM   
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"Joe "Make-me-SecDef-Mac-oh-please-pick-me-Mac" Lieberman"

Now that's scary! Damn, that's scary.

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The NEOCON-Likudnik agenda
Posted by: rugger on Mar 28, 2008 4:24 AM   
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You want to know why we invaded Iraq? Look at the PNAC doctrine, written by rabid Zionists. Everything since then has fallen in to place according to their grand scheme, the disinformation campaign, the squelching and manipulation of news regarding the Palestinian issue, etc. etc. And now, that same sort of disniformation campaign is occurring in prepapration for an attack on Iran.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 28, 2008 4:28 AM   
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See the On/Off button on your remote?

Push it.


Direct Democracy

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» You can turn off the TV But not it's influence Posted by: common intelligence
Ditto except
Posted by: solrev on Mar 28, 2008 4:40 AM   
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Every one seems to keep omitting the real reason we are in Iraq. Oil was just the payoff; we are there to protect Saudi Arabia from al-qaeda, not to protect us from al-qaeda. Our military in Saudi Arabia was a calling card for al-qaeda. Saudi Arabia is the real target of al-qaeda. We can not let the Islamic fundamentalist have Saudi Arabia until we use up all the oil. The day that happens, the royals are history. Nothing is going to change until we adapt an energy policy that takes oil out of the equation. Do not be fooled by the government green handouts, those are for welfare jobs. Did you know that it took 2 billion years for algae to convert a co2 atmosphere on this planet to an o2 atmosphere that can support the existing animal life forms? You can make a lot of biodiesel out of algae and use up a lot of co2. Hell let’s use corn and beans, its good for business.

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The U.S. is a Human Ant Farm
Posted by: CommentCulture on Mar 28, 2008 4:49 AM   
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people are affraid of losing what little they have.

Most people I know are not people any longer. They have become SHEEPLE.

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Remember one thing...
Posted by: Farasien on Mar 28, 2008 5:18 AM   
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Bu$hco is in office not as a direct result of the people, but as a result of vote theft and fraud. Twice. The American people (of which I'm a member) don't do anything because of almost an entire generation of stupification brought on by their government educations. We're told not to resist, not to question or rock the boat. Students who do end up getting ostracized at best. As in the days of Rome, the government is trying to take over everything, and so long as the people get their blood, circuses and bread, nobody will raise a hand to stop the atrocities that are now commonplace in american policy, both foreign and domestic.

Get used to the USA FUBARing everything it touches. Sorry progressives, but its only going to get worse, no matter who (assuming there IS an election...) the next president is.

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» RE: emember one thing... Posted by: willymack
A great example of the folly described above:
Posted by: supercrisp on Mar 28, 2008 5:25 AM   
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In Human Smoke, NIcholson Baker documents German Jewish bankers donating money to Nazi political campaigns, saying that Hitler was a solid guy and didn't really mean all those things he said about the Jews. Yikes. It's somewhere before page 62.

In other news, my parents were some of those poor folks who consistently voted Republican. Not quite as extreme an example, but still ill-advised.

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Great article, but you, too hide from 9/11 Truth
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 28, 2008 5:30 AM   
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I couldn't agree more with this article. Great points made. But I feel that, along with the rest of the press, this author and this website is part of the problem. They have decided that the real story of 9/11 should not be investigated. They have decided that the American people should not know the real story, the 9/11 Truth, that it is better for some reason that Americans remain ignorant of the truth of that fateful day. This author knows, and so do those who publish Alternet, that our government was complicit in 9/11. But they know what is best for us, and they have decided, along with Amy Goodman and the Nation and the rest of the press that SHOULD be giving us the facts and investigations regardless of where it takes us, that actually dealing with this issue publicly would not enhance whatever their goals and causes are. So they purposely ignore the most important issue, the worst crime in American history, and then pride themselves that they are the truly free and independent and bold press.
I want answers. I want to know why there is this conspiracy to keep this issue out of the left wing press. We are losing the battle to Neocons and the rightwingers. We will be in Iraq forever, and Afghanistan, and push into more areas, until our imperial overreach destroys us. Should I blame the NYTimes? Or Alternet?
There is one issue which, if brought into the light, would completely turn around our immoral and self destructive policies............9/11 Truth. Why hide from it?

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Society is Lacking:
Posted by: curiousdwk on Mar 28, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Our society is lacking in the following four areas. These are not taught in school, nor are they learned by us after school. Unless we make a deliberate attempt to learn them.

1) Critical Analysis. (The success of marketing advertisements proves this point.)

2) Empathy (to understand what and why a person thinks and feels the way(s) that they do)

3) Ethics/Justice (We leave ethics for religion and justice to our Justice system which is a shame on both counts. We don't speak of personal ethics or justice.)

4) Conflict Management. (Evidenced by our spousal abuses, child abuses, elder abuses, etc.)

Lacking these, we want to have a government lead us even if that government is strong and wrong. We don't want to buck the government and would rather have the government fuck us.

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Archie Bunker would rather die...
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 28, 2008 6:33 AM   
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then admit that he got SCREWED!! That he was wrong and the Repubs LIED TO HIM!

I live in rural Nebraska, and the people out here would rather die then admit that they were wrong. Living economically insecure lives, they really clued into the Conservative message--starting with Reagan in 1980. Then came the Conservatives with their message, and YEAH!--Herbie Husker and Ronnie Redneck now had something to blame for their troubles. It was the Gays, the "Liberals", the feminists, the ACLU, the people who opposed school prayer and were for freedom of choice--yes, these were the Dark Forces responsible for the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs. Then came 9-11 and Bush II set himself up as the knight in white armour. Yeah! Now we'll show those f*ckin' Ay-rabs and sand niggers! Go USA!!!!

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» Keep in mind, though. . . Posted by: redceres
» RE: Yeah, Who Would Jesus Bomb? Posted by: GrannyBgood
» Here's to Sinclair Lewis Posted by: woodford54
rn
Posted by: mnatra on Mar 28, 2008 6:40 AM   
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This is a great and informative article, For many people who still have no idea what has happened since 9/11; it is a good primer.But like most articles posted her on alter net they are dictatorship 101. Introductory ,There is a much deeper level of discussion that underly s the whole process and why we are headingg to a complete dictatorship, since Bush took power.This is serious, yet only a few of us are really alarmed.

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Mr Krauthammer's Koolaid
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Mar 28, 2008 6:45 AM   
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This morning I found an op-ed by Charles Krauthammer in the Bangor Daily news, entitled, '"Staying in Iraq: a hopeful outcome"
(Had to put the link in the next comment; said it wouldn't fit here)

Read it! it's unbelievably twisted! He accuses those who pick on McCain's "100 years" of using that "Killer Soundbite" to promote "Dirty Lies"! (notice he left out McCain's BOMB BOMB BOMB Iran ditty!)
I responded to him, and I'll send him this op-ed piece instead, suggesting he learn something from it (as IF!)

Mr Krauthammer:

What IDIOCY!
A "Killer Soundbite"!? You mean like the Zionazi Media broadcasting Rev Wright's one incendiary remark out of context ad Nauseum, or the Dean Scream? Or Obama's middle name?

After the renewed violence since Easter, it is once again obvious the "surge" is NOT working, and to most rational people, who understand that if the tables were turned WE would ourselves be resisting an OCCUPATION, it is quite obvious that there WILL be no peace until we LEAVE!
Have you been drinking the same Koolaid as our idiot AWOL "President" who had the gall to stand up yesterday and give yet another speech totally disconnected from the Reality we can all see for ourselves (Or didn't his speech writer have time to write a new one? Obama writes his own because he can THINK for HIMSELF! And really! WHERE do they continue to find enough barking clapping seals eager to gobble down every rotten herring he throws them to put in his audience !?).
..or are you just another evil Neocon like Cheney, busy undermining THIS country so we can continue to do Israel's bidding, right up to fighting her dirty proxy wars!?
"A dirty Lie"? Propaganda is YOUR name.
BW

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» RE: link:Mr Krauthammer's Koolaid Posted by: GrannyBgood
» RE: link: Ya don't have to be Jewish... Posted by: dangerouslysane
world is reduced to a simple principle
Posted by: Richard House on Mar 28, 2008 6:58 AM   
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"... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is..." provide the fear factor, or the religious factor. In the end, we have to seriously ask ourselves whether we have free will. Priests and politicians say you do. Nice delusions.

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Americans are not Idiots
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Mar 28, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Not all Americans are idiots, not even most of them, but the vast majority of them are kept ignorant. In America todaty it takes a lot of work not to be kept ignorant and most people do not have the time or inclination to avoid ignorance.

Keeping Americans ignorant of what their government is doing in their name and what large corporations are doing to them has long been the agenda of at least some of the media. With the consolidation of the media into a very few corporate hands it has become the agenda of nearly all of the media.

To a large extent this agenda has been been assumed without particular malice and not because of a particular political agenda. Corporations are interested in making money and for the most part only in making money, but this makes the now corporate media particularly vulnerable to control by the government because government can have a strangle-hold on the news that is most profitable, that is easiest to gather and sell.

Democratic government depends on an open media and an informed public. This administration has consciously and systematically, using a compliant media, closed down the media to keep the public uninformed. This is the road to despotism and it needs to be reversed.

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» you have it backwards Posted by: e rice
» Chickens and Eggs Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
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» RE: 2 Wrongs Don't Make a Right Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: Chickens and Eggs Posted by: e rice
» leisure activities Posted by: e rice
But of course!
Posted by: sawdust on Mar 28, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Great article and some equally great comments. It's too bad we are all so terminally stupid, or more people would read this stuff.But first you have to get them to turn off Fox Noise and PAY ATTENTION!

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» RE: But of course! Posted by: Zeugitai
Answer: Becasue Americans are idiots
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 28, 2008 7:10 AM   
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Want proof that Americans are idiots? Watch the video.

(And no, I don't support Ron Paul. However, this video gets to the heart of the matter)

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» RE: You completely missed the point Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» America is NOT a democracy! Posted by: Cathyc
get out of the box
Posted by: siamdave on Mar 28, 2008 7:21 AM   
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- complaining is fine, I well understand the frustration. But we need to do something about this - and the first step is simply getting out of the box. Easy to say, but a very big step, requiring much courage. Learn more here - They're Building a Box - and You're In It

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estherme
Posted by: estherme on Mar 28, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Most Americans are stupid and you can't fix stupid! For those who voted for this SOB, how unintelligent to vote for an alcoholic, drug addict and military deserter of duty! If a Democrat was guilty of these severe character defects, you would have made sure it was all over the media and would have pursued it to no end!
Research has shown that alcolol and drug addiction destroys brain cells and this administration has a lot of mental defects to get us in the mess we are in! I agree that most of the dirty deeds done by this administration was on purpose. They needed a front man to bring down the fall of America to Fascism as it is today.
Beware, they are not done yet! Continue your stupidity and make sure you vote for someone who will continue this Nazi dictator's policies! See www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339406/Pg1
video Re: book "End of America" by Naomi Wolf. The fascist closing down of an open democracy. www.youtube.com/watch?tv=RjALF/2PAWc. Americans reward the incompetents and vote against their own best interests. They love to give more to the greedy hoping they will get some too. But alas, you have to be in the "big boys" club to get it all! The hell with the rest of us. As I said you can't fix stupid!

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What Do You Expect?
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 28, 2008 7:41 AM   
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What do you expect when the government is controlled by corporations, the media IS big corporations, and everything that you see or hear is controlled by corporations? Define what you are doing as patriotism, tell people that this country is the greatest one on earth, that we are being attacked and that we are the good guys in the white hats and people want to believe you. Our whole history has been sanitized. We have been fed lies for years and it takes some independent thinking, reading and seeing alternative sources of information to learn the truth, or as near to the truth as you can get. Maybe we have become more stupid. Our environment is full of chemicals that fry our brains and make us physically and mentally ill. We know that our government spies on us and that even people who promote peace can be hauled off to jail as terrorists, which makes people less likely to look outside their familiar box.

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Well? As long as America stays VIOLENT and fights wars for finite resources
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 28, 2008 8:33 AM   
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rather than putting forth the ability to grow its own, it'll stay its course. Why not reward people who try to conserve rather than tax them to death and why aren't you talking about the OBSCENE fares on metro or for that matter public transportation coupled with poorer and poorer quality? Why isn't the "free" market doing its work of dictating as it's supposed to? And why do we keep allowing Big Oil, Coal, Chemical, etc ... to put phoney patents and stipulations on solar, wind, geothermal, etc ... all in the name of RIGGING the market and mislabelling it as "free"? Connect the dots and fight back and stop condescending those of us who are trying.

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It's the CFR, Stupid!
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Mar 28, 2008 8:37 AM   
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As long as the CFR controls the boundaries of debate, the population will remain under de facto enslavement. Anyone who does any research knows that the only way to explain the depth of the ignorance is to accept that there is some sort of sinister plot, one that rivals the worst of any sci-fi novel!

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WE NEED A PLAN
Posted by: using on Mar 28, 2008 9:08 AM   
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This is a very informative and insightful article. And I certainly can understand the author's disdain with us, the ordinary, beer guzzling, family oriented, hardworking, algebra helping, tax paying, middle class American. I do however, take some offense at the anger he directs at us -- since we are not completely to blame...after all if my memory services me correctly, we did not exactly elect Bush -- he and his group stole the election from Gore..and our courts supported Bush and his cronies..which pinpoints the level our republic's current decline. The take over of our government and media by our global corporations and conservatives was slow and insidious. WE, including you sir, allowed this country to deteriorate piece by piece.......And what could we, including your sir, have done about it....opened our windows and yelled...."We are so mad and We are not going to take it any longer?"
So, I was hoping that your next article would help us find a productive way to re-think our situation and organize? We, the enlightened ones, need to start focusing on the "how to's" of change..and create an uplifting evolutionary process,helping to facilitate change, for no matter who is elected..if we want an active, alert populace that can support a democracy, we have to have a unified plan(at this point in our demise) of advocating for and supporting the needs that best serve the interest of an ever more enlightened humanity.

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» RE: WE NEED A PLAN Posted by: Zeugitai
» RE: WE NEED A PLAN Posted by: using
"The messenger" dearherb@yahoo.com
Posted by: Herbert Levinson on Mar 28, 2008 9:16 AM   
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"How Lethally Stupid Can One Country Be"?

Plenty stupid! Because, American schools have not taught the truth. We as American all thought We knew the truth according to our studies and the propaganda hatched by the media.

If people want to know the truth. Its readily available on the Internet. I have been sending the truth to all the large eleemosynary organizations. Now the truth is out. That's why you see such a hubbub of people come out of the woodwork at all the caucuses and candidate gathering.

For a revelation insert "The Rothschild blood line", "The Arms of Krupp",The Rockefeller syndicate, JP Morgan Russell&Co,The Federal Reserve conspiracy, The Bilderbergers, WWI and WWII into your search window, in various combinations. This will give you the major players and their connections. This has been an on go thing dating back to the American Revolutionary, The Hessians and our Civil War.

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What a great, and apt, title
Posted by: kentigereyes@yahoo.com on Mar 28, 2008 9:53 AM   
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for a disturbingly true article. Thank you Mr. Green. I have more to say but I am plum worn out from recommending so many of the comments. I will close with this comment: the United States of Arrogance is in very deep doo. It may not recover. But then, no country has ever been on top forever. Ken

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THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE
Posted by: fg on Mar 28, 2008 9:54 AM   
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isn't (yet?) capable of discharging its civic responsilbity. A poor commentary on our system of government.

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Yeehaw!
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 28, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Americans are not only stupid, they have no sense of right and wrong, it seems either.
For instance, most Americans want an end to American involvement in Iraq (which is good), but NOT because the war is based totally upon lies or because war is wrong and evil in the first place and should only be undertaken as the absolutely last resort.
Instead, Americans are just worried about the fact that the US is not succeeding over there (But I forgot about the "success" of the Surge. "Yeeehhawww!") and about the fact that the war is harming our economy ("Forget about all those dead innocent people in that far-away country. What matters is if *I* can still afford my latte!").

Never mind all those dead (brown) people. Hey, Americans are just lucky we have never had a war on OUR soil in quite some time. (No wonder we don't empathize.) That could soon change, however, especially if mad-man McCain is elected president.

And coming soon: The US will attack Iran, it seems. Do I think that Americans will fall for the lies AGAIN?
I would bet good money on that.

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I glad someone else said this for I am tired ............
Posted by: The Big Raven on Mar 28, 2008 10:36 AM   
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of telling the world just how stupid america really is.
Peace is what we make it!

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Stupid is as Stupid does: like 'electing' neoliberal Politicians at all
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 28, 2008 11:33 AM   
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levels of government to slowly dismantle the only piece of progressive reforms in US history.

Like getting hoodwinked by flowery but empty rhetoric of 'peace, liberty, freedoms' while the government blatantly goes around propping up vrutal dictatorships around the globe, and undermining peace and democracies.

How many times are Americans going to fall for 'Gulf of Tonkin', 'Iraq WMD' Irani IEDs??

Stupid, fat, god damn americans!

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I hate historians who flout their now 20-20 hindsight.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 28, 2008 11:33 AM   
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This writer doesn't even have the decency to include himself in the deluded. And he doesn't even bother to say "I told you so" which probably means he didn't; he wasn't able to tell us anything at the time.

And how can anyone cover all the now common knowledge pasted together here without any lesson, at least? Name calling, simple minded analysis, and arrogant patronizing complaining are not journalism--it's bar talk.

What the h3ll are we doing with "bar talk" on AlterNet?

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"Hermann Göring set fire to the Reichstag"?
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 28, 2008 11:40 AM   
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I decided to investigate that claim. I found the evidence upon which it is based to be flimsy. It seems to me it is an accepted fact protected by emotion rather than a conclusion founded upon evidence and arrived at through reason.

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March Madness
Posted by: JayHaden on Mar 28, 2008 11:48 AM   
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Look at it like a team sport, video game or WWII movie -- defining features of modern feel-good American culture. Except that "stupid Arabs" were in the pilots' seats, and it was our dam that got skip-bombed for real. Hooey! What a brilliant maneuver, but we can't admit it. Instead we shout at the ref with more than a little envy, "We was robbed." That was supposed to be our boys doing the fancy footwork. Instead, we get conked by a sucker punch. And, having lost a good bit of our self-mythologized invincibility, we come home from work and kick the dog (Iraq). Then we re-elect a Prez because he validates our feelings by creating a super video game where we can watch our boys throw a dazzling knockout punch just like in our dreams. It doesn't work, but, hey, best of seven, ok? Let's get back in there and mix it up again just like coach told us to do back in high school. This time we can't lose -- bet the farm on it. Or, the farm boys and their city cousins. But, hey again, they signed up for it and got bonuses besides. Doesn't cost me anything (thanks be to Mr. Prez). No one I know and, yawn, I might just tune out for a while. Wha? Wait a minute! Damn wussy Democrats want to take my marbles and go home before we can really kick butt. Hold on there! This is March Madness and my team is going all the way.

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» RE: March Madness Posted by: Zeugitai
» RE: March Madness:football Posted by: davidg
Idiocracy
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Mar 28, 2008 1:00 PM   
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Enough Said

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» RE: Idiocracy Posted by: jtgh
This country is full of RWA's
Posted by: aussidawg on Mar 28, 2008 2:36 PM   
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Why do people keep buying the bullshit that spews from the Bu$h Administration? Because this nation has become a flock of followers that's why. I realize that I live in a particularly bassackwards part of the country (East Texas...cross over the Brazos River coming from Austin and it's like going into the Time Tunnel, backwards), but the entire country seem to be heading in our direction. It seems we have become a nation of followers, followers that don't dare question anyone who claims to be either an authority figure or a "born again" Christian. (I truly believe that the spread of Christian Fundementalism is a major cause of the situation we find ourselves in today! The area I live in is almost entirely composed of fundies, and they don't even consider questioning someone as important as the preznit of the U.S.A.!) In otherwords, the majority of our population seems to be becoming textbook Right Wing Authoritarians, which is most definately NOT a compliment. In addition, we buy the crap we are told because that is ALL we are told. Our MSM has most certainly contributed to the ignorance of the flock (gee I miss Walter Cronkite.) In addition to spreading the Bu$hevic's propaganda without question, they refuse to cover those that DO question the policies of the Bu$h Administration (remember Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich?), therefore it gives those who are already prone to being followers to, well, follow like good Mericans are supposed to do. Finally, turn the radio on to almost any daytime AM channel and who do you get? Most likely, in the following order: Glen Beck, Lu$h Rimjob, then Sean Hannity successfully convincing the average Merican that things are going great and how all will go down the drain if a librul is elected to office. Now.the truly scary thing is that in spite of all the damage caused by the Bu$h Administration and past republican controlled congress, it appears that the sheeple are ready to elect ANOTHER REPUBLICANAZI...John McCain to office so he can keep things on track! As I previously stated...Merica has spoken and she says "DUH"!!!

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» RE: This country is full of RWA's Posted by: Ocean tides
» The Authoritarians Posted by: Cathyc
Phantasmagorical stupidity!
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Mar 28, 2008 2:47 PM   
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Most of the population of this country is barely aware that the Iraq occupation is ongoing, let alone the putative reason for it. For chrissake, we are talking about a country in which more people believe in the proposition of angels walking around loose than believe in evolution. They emerge from their cerebral spider holes solely when the economy is sufficently immersed in the toilet to affect the amount of cash in their wallets.

I submit that this war could not have been waged by any other country in the developed world--i.e., America, beginning with its head of state, is teeming with more than its share of disengaged idiots.

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Nixon
Posted by: Badger1492 on Mar 28, 2008 3:34 PM   
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I saw a bumpersticker recently that sums up my feelings on this:

"I never thought I'd miss Nixon."

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» RE: I don't miss Nixon. Posted by: Ellie1
» RE: I don't miss Nixon. Posted by: Badger1492
Stupid Americans: video
Posted by: Badger1492 on Mar 28, 2008 3:45 PM   
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Here the reason for this in a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

Any questions?

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» Utopia Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Stupid Americans: video Posted by: cherylsass123
Yikes
Posted by: blogfrog on Mar 28, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Thanks to David Michael Green for slapping us around...we only have ourselves to blame for this insane mess we're in.

Empires rise and fall and "Little Brain" Bush and "So" Cheney will be remembered for ushering in "full metal" decline while the American people remain in "long as I got mine" mode...lost in the blue haze of their flatscreened lives consuming beyond their means...more more...faster faster...I'm in denial here!!!

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Give me a Break!
Posted by: wireup on Mar 28, 2008 4:26 PM   
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I am FED UP with reading articles on so-called progressive websites which claim that Bush and Cheney were ELECTED!!!!!

They were NOT elected.

I repeat: Bush and Cheney were NOT elected.

They stole BOTH elections, the first one with the help of five Supreme Justices with an agenda.

PLEASE...ONCE AND FOR ALL...stop saying that the resident idiots were elected.

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The War in Iraq
Posted by: poppaphil2007 on Mar 28, 2008 4:55 PM   
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Michael Green's article on the Bush administration's adventures is appreciated and long overdue. The Bushies did not even take a calculated risk in going to war in Iraq; our leaders knew that America would stand by and passively support the war. Far too many Americans are generally ignorant about their own government. Most people rarely, if ever, read a newspaper or a periodical. Many get their only news from the television, and certainly the mass media has been breathlessly promoting Bush's policies since the night of "shock and awe." After all, many Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 9/11 tragedies. Vice-president Cheney still tries to make that tired old case.

What needs to happen now, as we start to realize just how futile the situation in Iraq is, is a prompt withdrawl of all American combat troops. Along with the mass removal of our beleaguered military, our own government needs to account for its urgent decision to go to war in the first place. Accountability is sorely lacking in the Bush administration. In order for America to heal the gaping hole in its maw, our inglorious leaders need to be grilled in the Senate and the House as to just why we need to invade Iraq. All rational persons at this point must realize that the damage done is not zero-sum; while we unnecessarily tore into Iraq, our real enemy was building strength in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other places. That Iraq was chosen as the country to blame just demonstrates Bush/Cheney/Eumsfeldian cynicism.

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Congratulations - America wins 'The Sucker's Crown'!
Posted by: nzo on Mar 28, 2008 5:21 PM   
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'The Sucker's Crown' - title of a book by New Zealander John Waterman - is about whole peoples and cultures who swallow lies and manufactured realities whole, without doubt and examination.

In the USA's case, they win the Sucker's Crown for unfettered belief, conditioned thinking, deliberate ignorance and blind superstition.

Congratulations America!

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re Lethally stupid - Good point, but you didn't need 3 pages to tell it!
Posted by: vvvci on Mar 28, 2008 8:16 PM   
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Good point, DMG, but you didn't need 3 pages to make it. Bush's core supporters think that the world was made 6,000 years ago, and that GOD explicitly commanded or executed the destruction of vast numbers of babies at... Jericho, Soddom & Gamorah, the Egyptian firstborn, not to mention Noah's great flood... (not to mention the tens of millions of children over history who have perished in terror and misery from preventable or human-related causes, including "allowing" 2 million Jewish children to perish during the Holocaust, whatever "his" reasons may have been)... but that same God gets all red-in-face excited when a woman takes a morning after pill, to prevent a fertilized clump of cells from becoming a pregnancy???
America became he techno-superpower we know today because we were handed THE TECHNOLOGY OF EUROPE on a silver platter during and after WWII. German rocket scientists... Apollo program lead designer was Werner von Braun and his ex-Nazi scientists! Radar - British models were far in advance of American models in early days of WWII. Computing - Polish, French, and British codebreakers created a copy of German Enigma machine, and other programs led to development of ENIAC, first large electronic computer. Jet engines - the British handed us some copies of their Whittle jet engine, and thus was born an entire US industry. And of course there was the A-bomb, with European geniuses like Fermi, Szilard, Wigner, Teller, (and Einstein, Bohr) and others, paving the way for the bomb that saved countless Japanese as well as American lives at end of WWII. (Had it not been for 'the bomb', important port towns Nagasaki and Hiroshima would have been pounded by conventional fire-bomb attacks... along with two dozen more Japanese cities.)
Anyways, Bush has infested the entire US government with knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers (with apologies to cave-men everywhere, LoL), so it is like the HATFIELDS and McCoys - who started their litle fued over a pig, it is said - are now in control of America's nuclear arsenal!
As Slim Pickens said, riding that H-bomb down to the target that he didn't even know would trigger the doomsday bomb in Dr. Strangelove movie, "YIPPEE!"

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Not just Stupid...
Posted by: mrfrazzlebottom on Mar 28, 2008 8:29 PM   
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It is not just that many Americans are stupid; they are poorly educated as well as conned and scammed and dumbed down and out-right-lied to by their Government.

Worse, becuase it keeps Americans mis-informed, are the Media. The Media in America is a putrid mass of fart-joke-mentality "entertainment," emotionally corrupt "news," and dishonest, ego-driven, intellectually constipated "pundits," that drive what passes for "public discourse" in this country.

Add up the people who write the most op-ed pieces, whose faces are mostly on the news channels -- the "Sunday Talk" shows for example -- and there are really just a couple of dozen decrepit old men and a few psychologically disturbed women whose voices are heard over and over and over....

I heard that Jonah Goldberg's book, 'Liberal Fascism' is a "bestseller." How stupid is that?

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» RE: Not just Stupid... Posted by: dangerouslysane
We DIDN'T re-elect the fool!
Posted by: rambleman on Mar 28, 2008 8:39 PM   
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"you actually did it again in 2004"

I am SO tired of this being said! He was NOT elected in 2004 OR 2001 - he STOLE them both!

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» RE: We DIDN'T re-elect the fool! Posted by: dangerouslysane
Americans are Idiots
Posted by: Dboy on Mar 29, 2008 12:41 AM   
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Here's why I DO consider Americans (in general) to be idiots. Right now I'm in northern thailand. Many people here live in bamboo huts or worse. Most people here get no education after the 5th grade. You really can't expect these people to be able to pick out New Orleans on a world map.

But Americans are some of the most "educated" people in the world, or they at least have extensive *access* to education. We have more Ph.D's in the US that there are jobs for them. Yet most Americans have NO understanding of foreign people's or cultures, no concept of the damage that their ignorance causes, no idea that many people in Laos live in houses made out of old American unexploded bombs. Americans have no idea that the massive bombings in Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam mostly killed farmers no different from the ones here in thailand. Americans have a disgusting blend of ignorance and arrogance that the rest of the world despises. And after 9/11, Americans were stupid enough to ask the question "why do they hate us", without really caring what the answer might be.

Americans have CHOSEN to be uneducated and ignorant, and that's why they are idiots.

The American missionaries are very active here, and they trot around assuming that they have some type of white american secret about the true nature of the universe that these natives do not possess. Here's a hint: A oklahoma redneck coming to thailand assuming they know anything of value that they can convey to anyone is completely insane. The only thing these missionaries are doing is spreading their own ignorance to vulnerable people. Americans would do well to occasionally listen to other people rather than lecturing cultures they are completely ignorant of. Attempting to christianize the thai hill tribes is cultural terrorism. It's an attempt to destroy native cultures and replace it with the American/Western culture. But from the Dumb American point of view, they are spreading the Good News. Guess what? Christians believe in approximately one God. Buddhists believe in Zero Gods. The Buddhists have discovered the correct number. christianity offers absolutely nothing of value to the people here, yet Americans are so in love with themselves that they absolutely MUST spread their influence far and wide.

If you don't think Americans are idiots, then you have not thought deeply enough about the topic.

dboy

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» RE: Americans are Idiots Posted by: aonghus36
Recommendation
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Mar 29, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Michael Parenti gave a speech related to this general topic that you can now download as an mp3 file. However, do it soon since it will probably disappear before very long.

The download is a two-hour radio show that was broadcast on KPFT and Parenti's speech is the last hour of the show. The entire show is a good listen, but I especially recommend Parenti's talk at the end (he gives another shorter one at the start of the two hours).

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silence means consent (A Man for all Seasons)
Posted by: davidg on Mar 29, 2008 5:56 AM   
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"YOu stood by in silence watching the devastation wrought upon an innocent people..."
We are all to blame everytime we sing the democracy chorus.

The frustration is that the theme goes as far back as Socrates, and maybe further. He wouldn't shut up and so many of us have...in the wrong places.

More recently, note: ""We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people": Martin Luther King Jr.

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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity": Martin Luther King, Jr.

(From Information Clearing HOuse.)

But the consequences of it all, all of it will be global...a horrendous collapse of the one mega civilization left from disparties and political strife, environment, resource depleteion, famine, greed, rapacious oligarchies etc etc.

STrongly recommend: Ronald Wright's "A short HIstory of Progress" a quick read. This constitutional fascism is the devil's own way of taking us to hell. (No, I'm not religious but the religious metaphors speak volumes.)

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WAIT A MINUTE GUYS
Posted by: master09 on Mar 29, 2008 7:52 PM   
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Its all Rev wright fault if he had not curse america we would'nt be in this fix; Yeah! keep buying the BULLSHIT,especially all those religious conservative republicans. This is what going to happened obama will win the democratic nomination and before all those up standing american citizens vote for a black man that is half white mine you,they will vote for John McCain who will complete the job that Dick chaney started ;you notice I did'nt say George Bush this is because George Bush does not had a clue what he has done to this country. I really feel sorry for him because he has to look in the mirror and Iam certain that what he sees looking back at him must make him sick. Dick Chaney has the same problem but its much worst for him because he is living on borrowed time with that pace maker in his chest.

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We the Bees
Posted by: talkville on Mar 30, 2008 12:35 AM   
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It's come to pass; within the last 300+years, the 'free Individual' in the USA has achieved metamorphosis!

Each one of us is now encased in a Membrane of Law and Police Power. It moves with us, 24/7 and year-round. Whatever relationship we enter with another is now to be carried out through this Membrane, whether parent to child, wife to husband, friend to friend, employee to employer; no matter. This is no suit we can take off. We the People are now We the Bees; the USA the Hive. As we speak, this Hive is being equipped with electronic send-receive equipment, satellite monitored, so that each single one of us can be pin-pointed, analyzed and mapped, 24/7 year-round. Space-time Singularities in Service to the Corporate-State.

This is not only a political problem; it's economic, social and cultural also. It is personal and it is identity-based. With regard to Liberty, the Membrane expands or contracts according to the needs of the Corporate-State.

Who's been selling it and who's been buying it during this long 300+year development? Who or what is the Queen Bee?

My hypothesis: it's no longer possible to have an actual human relationship with another. This can be tested and verified. Is there ANY space-time between me and another that is not an active and continuous part of the Law and Police Power? And beneath the "Rule of Law", how is it possible to claim Liberty?

It's Hegel's Absolute Idea made manifest, represented by the institution of the Corporate-State and We the People-Bees are the Subjects, busily working and paying tribute to keep it all going smoothly, efficiently. Subjects of the Queen Bee: the Fascist Corporate State, an Absolute Idea in the process of perfecting itself. All hail Individualism!

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It's not about laziness per se
Posted by: nfamous on Mar 30, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Americans ARE a lazy bunch but there are many reasons Americans don't care about dying and dead Iraqis and they vary widely among different races. I believe many whites tacitly support the war even though they say they want to bring the troops home. Whites in this country see their standard of living beginning to drop with all the immigration and outsourcing from corporate globalisation aimed at saving a buck for shareholders and screwing the employees. Whenever nonwhites start to make gains then white fear goes into overdrive because whites equate nonwhites gains with white losses. It's insane and born out of massive insecurities but whites are brainwashed from birth to believe such nonsense. It's a feelgood to whites to know that there are less nonwhites in the world because whites are greatly outnumbered in the world with a population of 600 million which is rapidly declining. With white birth rates down and mixed couples having kids on the rise it is only a matter of time before there are no whites, at least based purely on skin color.

Blacks empathize with Iraqis but the carnage is too far removed for most Americans to feel personally affected. We understand what it is like to be under attack by crazed, maniacal white people with an arsenal of weapons. We don't believe there is anything we can do though but's it's mostly because we don't try. Blacks in America definitely have their own problems to worry about, although they pale in comparison to those of Iraqis.

Latinos are just glad to be here. I honestly haven't met that many Latinos that follow the news. If they do it's usually mainstream propaganda. Latinos just want to become citizens. Mexican Latinos do not want to return to Mexico and that way of life. They really could care less about the misadventures of whitey in foreign lands. When you're worried about immigration deporting you or your friends, a million dead Iraqis is just a footnote.

I don't want to ignore or minimize the effect of the media. We are distracted with the 2008 election issues. We are distracted with our cars, gadgets and electronics. We are distracted by all the drugs we are taking. We are stressed out from our jobs and worried about losing them and everything we own. This is across the board in all races. When it comes down to it Americans don't know how to end this war. In other words we couldn't stop it if we wanted. Nonwhites realize that they need whites to accomplish something of that magnitude and most whites frankly are too wrapped up in the cozy blanket of white privilege and global supremacy to give a damn. And so it ends.........

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Americans are selfish cowards
Posted by: nfamous on Mar 30, 2008 8:40 AM   
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Americans know exactly how to end this war. Go to Washington DC en masse and don't leave until Congress ends it. We won't do that though because it's too much of a personal sacrifice. We might get tased, shot or imprisoned and charged with treason. Bush says things are getting better so it must be true as tens of Iraqi women and children are simultaneously blow to smithereens in a distant land. We are the most careless and uninformed people in the world but even when we are informed we largely fail to act. We always think someone else is going to take care of these problems because they're too "big" for any one person to fix. So we turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the suffering of our brothers and sisters under attack by brainwashed, pseudo-patriotic nativist mercenaries under the command of a megalomaniacs and corporations. Americans are not prepared to die or suffer for anything they believe. They think it's enough to put one of those meaningless stickers on the back of their SUVs while the bloodshed continues thousands of miles away. Out of sight. Out of mind. Sometimes it takes violence to end violence. We used to know that but apparently we just got too much to lose these days. The sad and ironic part is what really mattered we've already lost. Corporations and the government have bought our loyalty and apathy with our cozy way of life and standard of living. When we say "God bless America" what we really mean is "God bless only America". There is nothing worse than a selfish coward. It is nothing more than a human waiting to die.

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The only thing we should not be buying is Obama
Posted by: niliadis on Mar 30, 2008 3:04 PM   
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GrAfter a ll we have been through,’ he said. ‘Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.’”

Isn’t that exactly what Obama’s grandmother was referring to? To equate her fears, similar to Jesse Jackson’s, with Wright’s anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-Israel rantings is despicable coming from a grandson. In today’s vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling. For shame.

What is it that I and others expected Obama to do? A great leader with conscience and courage would have stood up and faced down anyone who engages in such conduct. I expect a president of the United States to have the strength of character to denounce and disown enemies of America — foreign and domestic — and yes, even his friends and confidants when they get seriously out of line.

What if a minister in a church attended primarily by white congregants or a rabbi in a synagogue attended primarily by Jews made comparable statements that were hostile to African-Americans? I have no doubt that the congregants would have immediately stood up and openly denounced the offending cleric.

Others would have criticized that cleric in private. Some would surely have ended their relationships with their congregation. Obama didn’t do any of these things. His recent condemnations of Wright’s hate-filled speech are, in my opinion, a case of too little, too late.

It is also disturbing to me that Obama’s wife, Michelle, during a speech in Wisconsin last month, said, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

Strange. This is a woman who has had a good life, with opportunities few whites or blacks have been given. When she entered Princeton and Harvard and later became a partner in a prestigious law firm, didn’t she feel proud to be an American?

When she and the senator bought their new home, was there no feeling of accomplishment and pride in being a U.S. citizen? When her husband was elected to the state legislature and subsequently to the United States Senate, didn’t she feel proud of her country?

Obama was asked if he thought his speech changed any minds. He replied he didn’t think so, and certainly not of those who weren’t already for him. A more important question is, whether his 20-year relationship with Wright has done lasting damage to his candidacy.

We will soon know.

eat Article-read and pass!

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you're kidding right?
Posted by: ZenQuixote on Mar 31, 2008 8:00 AM   
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"Watching George W. Bush in operation these last couple of weeks is like having an out-of-body experience. On acid. During a nightmare. In a different galaxy."


Are you new here?

it's not like any of this is a recent development, just more of the same... since day 1.

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Three Cheers for Mr. Green!
Posted by: Midwesterners on Mar 31, 2008 1:08 PM   
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We couldn't possibly agree more with Mr. Green’s article and its incisive analysis of American society. We have become a country that increasingly places our primary worth on how much "stuff" we acquire and how much money we are "worth." It seems that as long as Americans are able to continue their consumer-driven self-interest, there is little hope that our society will TRULY wake up and see what is happening both inside and outside of our borders or to the environment/globe itself.

Complacency has become the norm--whether it is in the form of Fox News, re-electing George Bush as Mr. Green writes, or voting for John McCain. We uphold a market-driven morality that has "commoditized" almost every aspect of life, including the supposed "news" that the MSM feeds us. And sadly, in order to sustain our way of life, we have allowed our leaders to go all over the world, including our invasion of Iraq and whatever else follows!!

America is the primary driving force behind globalization. We want everything “for cheap,” although we refuse to acknowledge the horrible cost of this insidiousness that has infused every aspect of our lives. And thus it is not surprising—albeit tragically—that people will continue to vote for McSame or any other candidate who totally represents the Corporate/Governmental Oligarchy. Indeed, it is also not surprising--as several previous comments suggest--that so much of the rest of World views the United States as being among the Planet's Biggest Bullies.

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» RE: Three Cheers for Mr. Green! Posted by: CommonDreamer
Goering did not set fire to the Reichstag
Posted by: righton on Mar 31, 2008 1:21 PM   
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while I agree with some of the article, Green should study a bit more about the Reichstag incident before repeating myth as truth...the leftists/Bolsheviks/Communists had run Germany from 1917 and the succeeding Weimar republic, and many say ruined Germany, and at this point were trying desperately to retain as much control and keep up opposition to the new rightists/nationalists as possible. I like British journalist Sefton Delmer's account; he was there and knew the people and the situation.
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/reichstg.html

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Apr 1, 2008 8:00 PM   
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The rampant mindless consumerism promulgated by this regime on purpose, along with the intellectual race to the bottom - has enabled those in office to do these incredibly amoral deeds...because everyone's been out "shopping" instead of paying attention, which is just what the regime wanted. They wanted no one to bear sacrifice for the war/occupation (no taxes on the rich or anyone else to pay for it)...the only ones bearing the burden are those who actually are out there fighting and their families.

The poor are disengaged and disenfranchised and the leaders know it. The outrage that we have is too small to be heard. Until more of the the people rise up and say enough we won't get rid of the unconscionable.

When you hear about people saying that they will switch their vote to McCain if Obama is nominated, then you wonder what hope there is at all.

We are not going to see the caskets as long as we have the fascists in office and we will not get the facts either. If we vote for more of the same we will have the same glamour news without substance or morals and people will continue on with their clueless existence that has enabled this travesty to begin with.

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» RE: CommonDreamer Posted by: CommonDreamer
"inevitability" by propaganda...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 2, 2008 12:46 PM   
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you *gotta see* the freaking DIAGRAM that goes with this...

Be afraid...

pick yer reasons! they might not be the exact reasons the International Telegraph might suggest, though...

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... It is believed that an American-led attack, designed to destroy Iran's ability to develop a nuclear bomb, is "inevitable" if Teheran's leaders fail to comply with United Nations demands to freeze their uranium enrichment programme.

Tomorrow's meeting will be attended by Gen Sir Michael Walker, the chief of the defence staff, Lt Gen Andrew Ridgway, the chief of defence intelligence and Maj Gen Bill Rollo, the assistant chief of the general staff, together with officials from the Foreign Office and Downing Street.

The International Atomic Energy Authority, the nuclear watchdog, believes that much of Iran's programme is now devoted to uranium enrichment and plutonium separation, technologies that could provide material for nuclear bombs to be developed in the next three years. ...


you know, that people can REFER TO THE DOWNING STREET & war without getting an instant, "hey, but wasn't there a Downing Street Memo about a similar issue in Iraq??"
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that...
just
... really ... scares ME...



omg.

inevitable? damn right when they keep up this constant drumbeat...



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America stupid no, dumb down yes
Posted by: joze46 on Apr 2, 2008 7:49 PM   
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Absolutely wonderful article, but all hind sight. And a monument failed Mainstream Media. Actually, and likely, here the media to be proven to be complicit and corrupt with the Bush administration. Bush and Company have to be in consul with the Arabs to make so many stupid decisions.

The irony, today that Media, so embedded in this war in Iraq and thinking what a wonderful scam is having problems selling commercial time while profiteering. So, we all know for sure when those revenues start to decline there is something wrong. The scam is kaput, that’s when it really hits the stupido mark. And it is happening now there are a lot of scared people out there. Greenspan had to bail and my prediction is likely some high administration officials will take their life rather than go on. Total proof the scam is falling apart.

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