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Bush Diplomacy: Predator Planes Are Conducting Assassinations by Air
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Imagine, for a moment, that you live in a small town somewhere near the Southern California coast. You're going about your daily life, trying to scrape by in hard times, when the missile hits. It might have come from the Iranian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) -- its pilot at a base on the outskirts of Tehran -- that has had the village in its sights for the last six hours or from the Russian sub stationed just off the coast. In either case, it's devastating.
In Moscow and Tehran, officials announce that, in a joint action, they have launched the missile as part of a carefully coordinated "surgical" operation to take out a "known terrorist," a long-term danger to their national security. A Kremlin spokesman offers the following statement:
"As we have repeatedly said, we will continue to pursue terrorist activities and their operations wherever we may find them. We share common goals with respect to fighting terrorism. We will continue to seek out, identify, capture and, if necessary, kill terrorists where they plan their activities, carry out their operations or seek safe harbor."
A family in a ramshackle house just down the street from you -- he's a carpenter; she works at the local Dairy Queen -- are killed along with their pets. Their son is seriously wounded, their home blown to smithereens. Neighbors passing by as the missile hits are also wounded.
As it happens, there are no terrorists in the vicinity. Outraged, you organize your neighbors and march angrily in protest through the town, shouting anti-Russian, anti-Iranian slogans. But, of course, there is nothing you can really do. Iran and Russia are far away, their weaponry powerful, your arms nonexistent. The state of California is incapable of protecting you. This is, in fact, at least the fourth time in recent months that a "terrorist" has been declared "taken out" from the air or by a ship-based cruise missile, when only innocent Californians have died.
As news of the "collateral damage" from the botched operation dribbles out, the Russian and Iranian media pay next to no attention. There are no outraged editorials. Official spokesmen see no need to comment further. No one is held responsible and no promises are made in either Tehran or Moscow that similar assassination strikes won't be launched in the near future, based on "actionable intelligence," possibly even on the same town. In fact, the next day, seeing UAVs once again soaring overhead, you load your pick-up and prepare to flee.
Swatting Flies in Somalia
Philip K. Dick meet George W. Bush. When it comes to such a thing happening in the United States, we are, of course, at the wildest frontiers of science fiction. The U.S. is a sovereign nation. We guard our air space and coastal waters jealously. Any country violating them for purposes of aggressive action, no less by launching a missile against an American town, would be committing an act of war and would certainly be treated accordingly.
If, somehow, such an event did occur, it would be denounced in Washington and on editorial pages across the country as a shocking contravention of international legal conventions and a crime of war unless, of course, we did it in a country where sovereignty has been declared meaningless.
In fact, an almost exact replica of the above fictional incident -- at least the fourth of its kind in recent months -- did indeed take place at the beginning of March in the embattled failed state of Somalia. (For that country's most recent abysmal collapse, the Bush administration, via an invasion by Ethiopian proxy forces, can take significant credit.) One or two houses in Dobley, a Somali town, were hit, possibly by two submarine-launched Tomahawk Cruise missiles in what a U.S. official termed "a deliberate strike against a suspected bed-down of known terrorists."
The missiles were evidently meant for Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, an al-Qaedan suspect in the bloody bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. He was, however, not in Dobley, despite the "actionable intelligence" on hand. Accounts of the dead and wounded in the town vary. One report claimed only wounded Somalis (and two dead cows); most spoke of anywhere from four to ten dead civilians. Local district Commissioner Ali Nur Ali Dherre told CNN that three women and three children had been killed and another 20 people wounded. While a "U.S. military official said the United States is still collecting post-strike information and is not yet able to confirm any casualties. He described [the] strike as 'very deliberate' and said forces tried to use caution to avoid hitting civilians."
For the dead Somalis, not suprisingly, we have no names. In stories like this, the dead are regularly nobodies and, though the townspeople of Dobley did indeed march angrily in protest yelling anti-American slogans, just about no one noticed.
In our world, only the normal smattering of small news reports dealt with this modest sidebar in the President's Global War on Terror (GWOT). On the GWOT scorecard -- if you remember, for a long time George Bush kept "his own personal scorecard" of top terror suspects in a desk drawer in the Oval Office, crossing off al-Qaedan figures as U.S. forces took them down -- this operation hardly registered. One terrorist missed, and not for the first time, possibly a few dead peasants in some god-forsaken land. Please, move on
In a recent Pentagon briefing for reporters featuring Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Michael Mullen, who had just returned from a trip to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, 4,500 words of back-and-forth were interrupted by this question from a reporter:
"Secretary Gates, the strike on Somalia two days ago -- did the missiles that were fired -- did they strike their target? And was the target Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan? Do you have a report back from the field? And Admiral Mullen, what message did you give to President Musharraf, and why did you meet with him?"
Gates responded to the Somali part of the question in eight words: "You know we don't talk about military operations." He might have added: …unless they're successful.
That was evidently all that the incident and its minor "collateral damage" deserved in such a global war. So Gates and Mullen moved on immediately. So many matters more important than a single "decapitation" strike that didn't succeed to consider.
The Decapitation Strike as Global Policy
Minor as that Somali mis-strike might seem, this is not, in fact, a small matter. Think of that strike and the many like it around the world over these last years as reflections of George Bush's post-9/11 update of globalization. After all, the most basic principle of his Global War on Terror has been the erasure of global boundaries and whatever international agreements about war-making might go with them.
Across the Islamic world, in particular, boundaries simply no longer matter. In fact, in such regions no aspect of sovereignty can now constrain a U.S. president from acting as he pleases in pursuit of whatever he may personally define as American interests.
"Assassinations by air" are, writes David Case in Mother Jones magazine, "a relatively new tactic in warfare." By the beginning of 2006, however, U.S. Predator drones "bearing Hellfire missiles -- the preferred weapon in decapitation [strikes] -- had already hit 'terrorist suspects overseas' at least 19 times since 9/11." Such strikes and other similar operations by air, land, and sea have been a crucial follow-on to the Bush administration's proclamations, immediately after 9/11, that there would be no "safe havens" for terrorists on the planet, nor safety for those countries which housed them, inadvertently or otherwise. Within days of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers, Bush administration officials were already identifying up to 60 countries-cum-targets.
This aspect of the Bush Doctrine, of what the President likes to call staying "on the offensive," when mixed with a couple of decades of "advances" in air warfare, including the development of sophisticated, missile-armed drones, "smart bombs," "precision-guided munitions," and the like, has resulted in a lethal globalizing brew of assassination and destruction. It recognizes neither boundaries, nor sovereignty across much of the planet. With all its "actionable" possibilities, it will surely be with us long after George W. Bush has left office.
Of course, those few nameless dead or wounded Somali civilians -- swatted like so many flies and forgotten as quickly as flies would be -- don't faintly match up against the "dozens" of Iraqi civilian deaths that, according to Human Rights Watch, were caused by 50 decapitation strikes launched against the top officials of Saddam Hussein's regime back in March 2003. (Not a single official was harmed.) Nor do they quite make it into the company of the "Afghan elders" being taken to President Hamid Karzai's inauguration back in 2001, who were mistaken "for a Taliban group" and bombed, with 20 killed; nor the 30 or more guests at an Afghan wedding party back in 2002 blown away by 2,000-pound bombs after celebratory gunfire was evidently mistaken for an attack (no apologies offered); nor that wedding party in the Western desert of Iraq near the Syrian border wiped out in 2004 with 42 deaths, including 27 in one extended family, 14 children in all. They were, of course, taken for terrorists. (As U.S. Major General James Mathis put the matter in offering an explanation: "How many people go to the middle of the desert… to hold a wedding 80 miles from the nearest civilization?") And these are just a few prominent cases, not including the civilians killed in periodic Predator and other strikes in Pakistani border areas, in Afghanistan, and elsewhere whom no fuss is ever made about -- not here, anyway.
After all, there's always going to be "collateral damage" when you keep your eye -- and your 2,000-pound bomb or Hellfire missile -- focused on the prize.
The "Right" to Kill Civilians
Remember back in the 1990s, when the glories of an economically borderless world were being limned? Just after September 11, 2001, the Bush administration proudly declared us to be in a far darker world without borders (except, of course, when it came to our own). In this new world, whether we knew it or not, whether we cared or not, we granted our highest officials -- specifically our military and intelligence services -- the full powers of prosecutor, defense counsel, judge, jury, and executioner, as well as the right to report on such events only to the extent, and as, they wished. This was the sort of power that monotheistic religions normally granted to an all-powerful god, that kingdoms generally left to absolute rulers, and that dictators have always tried to take for themselves (though just, of course, in the domains under their control).
Our domain, it seems, is now much of the globe, when it comes to the bloody work of assassinating individuals via bombs or missiles that, however precise, surgical, and smart, are weapons meant to kill en masse and largely without discrimination.
There are still limits of sorts on such actions. These put bluntly -- though no one is likely to say this --- are the limits imposed, in part, by racism, by gradations, however unspoken, in the global value given to a human life.
The Bush administration has, so far, only been willing to carry out "decapitation" strikes in countries where human life is, by implication, of less or little value. It has yet to carry one out in London or Hamburg or Tokyo or Moscow or the Chinese countryside, even though "terrorist suspects" abound everywhere, even (as with the Anthrax attacks of 2001) in our own country. On the other hand, given the impetus of this kind of globalization, who knows when such a strike might come. After all, the CIA has already carried out clearly illegal, sovereignty-violating "extraordinary rendition" operations (kidnappings of terror suspects) on the streets of European cities.
In this country, we still theoretically venerate the sovereign self ("the individual") and that self's right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Despite George Bush's "Freedom Agenda," however, the sovereignty, not to say the life, liberty, and happiness of other peoples, individually or collectively, have not really been much on our minds these last years. Our freedom of action, our safety, has been the only freedom, the only "security," to which we have attached much global value. And don't for a second think that, when the "actionable intelligence" comes in to John McCain's, Hillary Clinton's, or Barack Obama's Oval Office, those Predators won't be soaring or those cruise missiles leaving subs lurking off some coast -- and that innocent civilians elsewhere won't continue to die.
In places like Somalia, we deliver death, and every now and then an American bomb or missile actually obliterates a terrorist suspect. Then we celebrate. The rest of time, it's hardly even news. When the deeper principle behind such global strikes is mentioned in our papers, in some passing paragraph, it's done -- as in a recent Washington Post article about a Predator strike, piloted from Nevada, that killed a suspected "senior al-Qaeda commander" in Pakistan -- in this polite way: "Independent actions by U.S. military forces on another country's sovereign territory are always controversial" (Imagine the language that the Washington Post would use, if that had been a Pakistani drone strike in Utah.)
This version of globalization is already so much the norm of our world that few here even blink an eye when it's reported, or consider it even slightly strange. It's already an American right. In the meantime, other people, who obviously don't rise to the level of our humanity, regularly die.
And here's the thing: In our world, there is a chasm that can never be breached between, say, a Sunni extremist clothed in a suicide vest who walks into a market in Baghdad with the barbaric intent of killing as many Shiite civilians as possible, and an air or missile attack, done in the name of American "security" and aimed at a "known terrorist," that just happens to -- repeatedly --- kill innocent civilians. And yet, what if you know before you launch your attack, as American planners certainly must, that the odds are innocents (and probably no one else) will die?
Not so long ago in the United States, presidentially sanctioned assassinations abroad were illegal. But that was then, this is so now. Nonetheless, it's a fact that the "right" to missile, bomb, shell, "decapitate," or assassinate those we declare to be our enemies, without regard to borders or sovereignty, is based on nothing more than the power to do it. This is simply the "right" of force (and of technology). If the tables were turned, any American would recognize such acts for the barbarism they represent.
And yet, late last week, like clockwork, the Associated Press brought us the latest notice: "In Afghanistan, a spokesman for the American-led coalition said troops had used 'precision-guided munitions' to strike a compound about a mile inside Pakistan…" This operation was, as they all are, said to be based on "reliable intelligence"; in this case, "senior" Taliban commanders were said to be in residence.
As it happened, according to the Pakistani military and the AP reporter who made it to Tangrai, a village of about forty houses, the residence hit was that of "Noor Khan, a greengrocer who said the house was his family home." The AP reporter added that "only one of its four walls was standing amid a tangle of mud bricks, bedding and cooking pots." And Noor Khan, who was quoted saying, "We are innocent, we have nothing to do with such things," claimed that six of his relatives, four women and two boys, had been killed. (The Pakistani military, on investigating, reported that two women and two children had died.)
This was but the latest minor decapitation strike, and -- we can be sure of this -- not the last. Philip K. Dick move over. We're already in your future.
[Note: Let me strongly recommend David Case's article, "The U.S. Military's Assassination Problem," in the March/April issue of Mother Jones magazine, quoted in the above piece. A well researched, thoughtful, and rare discussion of what we know about the Bush administration's global assassination campaign from the air, it is an accomplishment. I have relied on it in writing this essay.]
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Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 17, 2008 2:04 AM
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Mar 17, 2008 2:37 AM
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And the innocent US citizens, not at fault or responsible for their own gov't military's aggression will also ask 'why us?', just like the WTC attacks....so the more things change the more they stay the same.
Superpower status does nothing for global protection if one looks at history. Alas history will repeat itself again, and again and again. Whats that saying...eventually those who live via the sword (or drone missile craft) tend to die by the sword (or drone missile craft).
What will happen when these other countries obtain the ability to use drone attack technology? Death by remote control for everyone. This type of global future should be grave concern to everybody.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 17, 2008 3:29 AM
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The United States of America needs to regain its standing among the international community of nations. That's never going to happen if George W. Bush is not sent to federal prison for the rest of his life for his crimes against humanity.
America's ultimate salvation depends apon nothing less. If the First Fool and the tidal waive of corruption that comprises this disgusting administration are not ultimately punished for the genocide they have inflicted against the men, women and little children of Iraq, we will never be forgiven. Nor will we ever forgive ourselves.
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Posted by: pete ess on Mar 17, 2008 3:42 AM
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Precisely BECAUSE we once so admired and emulated you, we want this disgusting, despicable behaviour avenged.
The day WILL arrive when the USA slips to no. 2 then no. 3 biggest economic power. And lower.
And the day WILL arrive when you are no longer the military might you believe you now are (although already we know you can't harm us: You couldn't even bring to its knees one of the dirt-poorest countries in the world with NO armaments to speak of!).
Good Americans, stand up and speak out! Why do you let the very worst elements in your country dominate you?
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Posted by: ot on Mar 17, 2008 3:49 AM
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Posted by: KAEL on Mar 17, 2008 5:09 AM
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I am looking forward to China becoming the #1 economic and military power in the world. All Americans will need to take care of is ourselves (and some reluctant Canadians). And the world can figure out how to get out of a world run by the Chinese. Think satellite images of their tyranny jammed - bye, bye Alternet - and your parents for dinner - bye, bye food. Time to wake up and smell the coffee kids. These are the best of post 9/11 times.
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Posted by: green1 on Mar 17, 2008 5:30 AM
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These "decapitation strikes" are currently being carried out by the USA. They should be considered CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, and outlawed.
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Posted by: Philor on Mar 17, 2008 5:32 AM
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How dare you travel abroad and think you're entitled to be safe
Who's going to be the first one to be put in that dreadful video online, a business man? a tourist, a student?
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 17, 2008 6:36 AM
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Do we intentionally target civilians? No, we don't. Do atrocities like this happen in EVERY war? Yes, they do.
The only way to stop this from continuing is to END THE WAR.
Calling for Bush's head isn't going to help. Calling for his impeachment isn't going to help.
ONLY ENDING THE WAR WILL END THESE ATROCITIES!!
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Posted by: Caesar77 on Mar 17, 2008 6:48 AM
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I am ashamed of America and these are words I never thought I'd ever say.
What the hell happened. ?
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Posted by: wittler youth on Mar 17, 2008 7:23 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 17, 2008 8:35 AM
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You see, the military thought, hey, if the man is tall he MUST be Bin Laden.
Turns out, surprise surprise, the man was an innocent civilian.
I haven't heard much in the media about the other assassinations gone wrong. That doesn't surprise me, though.
How easy it is to kill an entire innocent family if you don't have to look them in the eyes before you slaughter them.
And, yes, I agree that it is inevitable that someday soon some innocent person(s) in the US will be the target of a foreign or American drone.
But that is what the US has made acceptable. Kidnappings, torture, war for no real reason at all. And now remote assassination of innocents, all without remorse. Shame!
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 AM
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(I see this kind of crap from time to time on Alternet. My suggestion, if a post is rated a "1" (or 2 or 3), then don't necessarily discount it before reading it!)
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Posted by: zyclop on Mar 17, 2008 10:10 AM
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But only for me and a handful of others.
Everybody else will take this very serious.
Because the people of this country have been brainwashed beyond the point of return already.
And the reason why no one notices:
It is not done the "George Orwell 1984" way; it is done the "Aldous Huxley Brave New World" way.
No force used you see, only repeating over public media channels until it sinks to the "Pawlov dog" level.
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Posted by: BeyondBeliefs on Mar 17, 2008 12:22 PM
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Lying, invading, murdering and robbing is our patriotic and religious duty to ''god and country''... now onward all yee holy christian crusaders.
Remember to click heels when saying ''amen''.
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Posted by: Obijuan on Mar 17, 2008 1:50 PM
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Do you really believe that GWBush prays, and the answer is 'kill'? I thought he said Jesus was his favorite philosopher. Jezz are you guys gullible...and dumb.
Terrorism is a concept which is being successfully used to control you because you refuse to think for yourself.
There are no real terrorists out there except those that seek to cause real terror. That's GWBush and Co. They want everyone in the world, in the USA and abroad, to be afraid.
The 'terrorists' to which you refer are actually out to kill as a last resort, for revenge, to right a wrong (like the death of family), etc. They feel they have no recourse. That's the whole willing to die thing...are you willing to die for anything? For your bloodstained flag perhaps? Goodness knows there isn't much else left to fight for in the hollow shell that is the USA.
I would posit that most of the situations which generate these desperate acts are the likes of which you have not seen or imagined. And most Americans like yourself, if faced with one of them, might very well react the same way. Can you not see far enough in front of you to empathize with your fellow man?
Wait till the gov't starts turning on you and your fellow citizens. We'll all be over here cringing and laughing nervously...hoping beyond hope you will finally wake up before it's too late.
Gosh, I am so tired of American ignorance. So is the rest of the planet. Wake up and take responsibility for what your gov't does. Wake up and take back your nation.
obi
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Posted by: spratling on Mar 17, 2008 1:55 PM
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Now insane McCain and his pal Joe Leiberman are beating the war drums for an Iran invasion. God forbid he's elected. When the smoke clears and we take our place among third world countries, we'll have ourselves to blame for what we've allowed the country to become.
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Texas style..
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Posted by: Barakis on Mar 17, 2008 5:21 PM
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Listen, yes things are messed up and our Government is doing alot of shady stuff and killing civilians however why are you all bashing Americans?
Just today the DNC (Democratic National Committee) said they will not hold a revote in Florida for the delegats.
Do you understand what that means? That means they are not going to allow the PUBLIC, yes us Americans, to vote for whom they want for president in Florida.
Our election process has been bought and sold to the highest bider. There are a high group of corupte people who are destroying not only my country but the world.
Think twice before you want to bash Americans because we are taking it up the a*s as well.
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Posted by: mjabele on Mar 17, 2008 6:40 PM
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I haven't forgotten how I felt on 9/11 when 3,000 people were killed in the WTC attacks by a group of terrorists who obviously had no feeling whatsoever for the idea that deliberately targeting innocent civilians was an inappropriate way to influence the foreign policy of the U.S. government. Nor have I forgotten how I felt when Pan Am flight # 103 was blown out of the sky in 1988 by Libyan terrorists, with the loss of 270 innocent lives, or when Air India flight # 182 was blown up in 1985 by Sikh terrorists with the loss of 329 innocent lives, including those of 60 children. Or, for that matter, when 334 hostages - 186 of them schoolchildren - were killed after Chechen/Ingush terrorists took over a school in Beslan, Ossetia, in 2004.
It certainly does seem to be easy for some folks to kill innocent people without looking them in the eye before slaughtering them - but let's acknowledge that we shouldn't just be talking about Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney when we open up this topic.
Indeed, let's not forget that there are, and always have been, morally corrupt people on both sides of the fence, for as long as history books have been written. And, perhaps most crucially, that the sort of terrorism practiced by many of those who struggle against Western imperialism is not, in the end, morally redeemable simply because the cause they're fighting for strikes us as intrinsically more "just".
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Posted by: NathanHail on Mar 18, 2008 8:33 AM
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Our Pentagon has lost sight of the concept of HARMONY among peoples. It is only interested in neutralizing "foes". There are research programs that go beyond the man-controlled Predator death planes. They are well into development of completely unmanned sensing/incapacitation/killing machines for both enemy combatants and civilian population control. They use heat, sound waves, light, chemicals, electrical force, gas, concussion and non-lethal projectiles. They look at every means to disable people.
We, the people, had better wake up and shut down the endless creativity of our weapons labs and university co-conspirators. Oh, and yes we still miniturize nuclear weapons. Do not visualize a detonation over a major city anywhere whether it's Chicago, Karachi, Tel Aviv or Teheran. It is likely to occur. Then what?
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Posted by: common intelligence on Mar 18, 2008 10:22 AM
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While most of you are looking at the slight of hand trickery, being distracted by getting your attention redirected to the superfuless hyped and entertaining images and rethoric of the "main stream media (aka: MSM)" presents DON"T.
Columbia has attacted Venezuela, supported by the CIA. Hugo Chevez is not the target, it's OIL.
But people are disregaring the viable possibility that the US/Bush/Cheney Corporate armed forces will possibly light up the war from a different front.
If McBush doesn't get elected there is every reason to believe Bush could ignite a full multi front war in order to maintain "exectutive control of the Armed forces, keeping him in office by default.
The mass sheeple are so controled by their fears. they would simply except it all as an emergency proceedure, and even let MArtial Law over rule the election, because we'd be in a "national emergency".
This is all hypathetical of course. But then too is the "the terrorism threat". Hell, the world has always lived with terrorism. But now it treatens the Power eletes seats of power.
SO how many of you have forgotten already , by being distracted, that the onder sea cables that "allowed" Internet connections and lots of other communication, was severed to Iran, or who-knows-where. The MSM said by unknown terrorists! But did you stop and wonder who has the only capability to do that? I mean only the US NAVY has the underwater, submarine, technology to do it.
But that's old entertainment. That's old news. That isn't worthy of a follow-up journalism to reveal if it's been fixed or what.
So here's a purfect example of how you are all beeing bated and switched. You are constantly being manipulated and kept off target and off balanced by the Bush propaganda machine.
They are good at this. It’s whta they do.
SO, can just keep watching "Miami:CSI".
Keep believing "they have complete control and can watch and unveil all the trivial problems you and I engage in". or realize the truth...”They don’t”!
Fact is the only control they have is keeping you all bewildered and distracted from the truth and the power we really have.
You want to stop the war? STOP PARTICIPATING by being their test dummies.
You want to reverse the economic manipulation we are all being forced into. STOP PARTICIPATING
You want to them to bring the truth back to MSM.
Take control of the Media this is the way.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Mar 18, 2008 10:24 AM
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The way to take it all back is to take control of the media. REALLY!
(and the internet is not good enough, it has to be the MSM)
I propose creating a news anchor poparazzi. Where "we" from Channel T News ( the T is for Trget the truth) Follow All the news anchors and reporter evcery where they go and put them on Our news. We badger them relentlessly just like poparazzies. After
all they are the real "Trivial News Distraction Stars".
The badgering has to be continuesly focused on the same subject, "why do they continue to distract the people from the real news that we need to know to return our country in a positive direction."?
Every single time a MSM van is on the road they need to be followed.
Their news cast has to be interupted and "we from Channel T News starts our poparazzi interrigation of them, just like the poparazzi hassle pop stars.
This will undermine the MSM Trivia lnews media. This will disrupt their trivial distractive tactic news machine.
IT's NEWS V.S. Distration news
I need your feed back on this. Because we have to take back and reveal the truth of how the corporate news machine keeps America from knowing the truth about the whole Bush/Corporate
lying propaganda machine.
The Poparazzi can do it, focused on Pop star BS for trivial distractive puposes.
So we can do it to the "pop trivial news reporters and anchors".
I feel this is can be a very affective way to undermine the trivial corporate news propaganda machine.
FEED BACK PLEASE.
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Posted by: wisegalah on Mar 19, 2008 4:12 AM
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The only difference is that America finished 99% of its ethnic cleansing some time ago. Israel is continuing its ethnic cleansing at this very minute.
Israel's justification behaviour is exactly the same as Hitler's theory of 'liebensraum'.
Interesting that only the Germans have begun to repent and so we see today a German leader on her knees today aplogising to Israel, a state which at this very moment doing exactly what the Germans did sixty years ago.
There is no limit to the capacity for self deception that there is the fanatical believers of any crappy creed, and all creeds are dogshit.
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Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 20, 2008 5:19 PM
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Posted by: pangolin on Mar 23, 2008 1:55 AM
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It's also great news that some steel tubing, a garmin, more explosives and a pocket computer aren't enough to make a undersea robot glider that can cross oceans and surface under American cruise ships. Because THAT would just not be right.
The very best news is that these predator aircraft didn't exist when JFK Junior and Paul Wellstone died in mysterious small plane crashes. Because the thought that the President of the US would step outside the law and kill somebody in order to further his political goals would be very scary indeed.
Nobody ever gets to keep a monopoly on technology. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Posted by: Malcus Garvey on Mar 23, 2008 9:34 AM
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It's blatantly, the hypocrisy of democracy.
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Posted by: NCK on Mar 24, 2008 5:42 AM
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Posted by: badkitty68 on Mar 25, 2008 12:21 PM
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The average person is largely uninformed and apathetic, preferring to self-medicate with constant electronic entertainment, sporting events, celebrity gossip, fatty foods, and alcohol. As long as they have the NFL package or the Shopping Network on their HDTV, they shrug when they learn about the endless government intrusions into every crevice of their lives. Yes, of course not every American operates like that - but way too many of us do.
Can you imagine trying to organize the Boston Tea Party today?? The FBI, NSA, etc. would no doubt be monitoring the calls, emails, and meetings. The telecom companies would provide any customer's info upon request, no warrant needed; undercover county deputies would "infiltrate" community meetings. Many of the Tea Party planners would end up on terrorist watch lists, and no-fly lists. Some would find that their employment was in jeopardy, and a number of them would be taken into custody as possible domestic terrorists. And very likely a few would just "disappear", held for years without charges or a trial, in God-only-knows what location.
Some citizens, watching the tv news, would secretly wish that they could participate in protest actions like that - but would be too afraid of being seen as a radical, or getting arrested. The rest of the populace would just nod along with the Faux News Channel toadie who was bellowing about the government needing to "protect us" from these domestic terrorist loonies who are (gasp!) trying to disrupt American commerce!! Then, these "patriotic" Americans would change the channel, their attention span being about 45 seconds max.
I wonder how history will view us 200 years from now. My guess is that it won't be a pretty picture
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