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Study: Bushies Lied 935 Times to Sell Iraq Invasion
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On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.
It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.
In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.
President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).
The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations) over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches, and interviews.
Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up to war:
- On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
- In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.
- In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
- On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
- On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."
- On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January 2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being handed over to [a foreign government]."
The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion.

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It was during those critical weeks in early 2003 that the president delivered his State of the Union address and Powell delivered his memorable U.N. presentation. For all 935 false statements, including when and where they occurred, go to the search page for this project; the methodology used for this analysis is explained here.
In addition to their patently false pronouncements, Bush and these seven top officials also made hundreds of other statements in the two years after 9/11 in which they implied that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or links to Al Qaeda. Other administration higher-ups, joined by Pentagon officials and Republican leaders in Congress, also routinely sounded false war alarms in the Washington echo chamber.
The cumulative effect of these false statements -- amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts -- was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war. Some journalists -- indeed, even some entire news organizations -- have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, "independent" validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq.
The "ground truth" of the Iraq war itself eventually forced the president to backpedal, albeit grudgingly. In a 2004 appearance on NBC's Meet the Press, for example, Bush acknowledged that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. And on December 18, 2005, with his approval ratings on the decline, Bush told the nation in a Sunday-night address from the Oval Office: "It is true that Saddam Hussein had a history of pursuing and using weapons of mass destruction. It is true that he systematically concealed those programs, and blocked the work of U.N. weapons inspectors. It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong. As your president, I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. Yet it was right to remove Saddam Hussein from power."
Bush stopped short, however, of admitting error or poor judgment; instead, his administration repeatedly attributed the stark disparity between its prewar public statements and the actual "ground truth" regarding the threat posed by Iraq to poor intelligence from a Who's Who of domestic agencies.
On the other hand, a growing number of critics, including a parade of former government officials, have publicly -- and in some cases vociferously -- accused the president and his inner circle of ignoring or distorting the available intelligence. In the end, these critics say, it was the calculated drumbeat of false information and public pronouncements that ultimately misled the American people and this nation's allies on their way to war.
Bush and the top officials of his administration have so far largely avoided the harsh, sustained glare of formal scrutiny about their personal responsibility for the litany of repeated, false statements in the run-up to the war in Iraq. There has been no congressional investigation, for example, into what exactly was going on inside the Bush White House in that period. Congressional oversight has focused almost entirely on the quality of the U.S. government's pre-war intelligence -- not the judgment, public statements, or public accountability of its highest officials. And, of course, only four of the officials -- Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz -- have testified before Congress about Iraq.
Short of such review, this project provides a heretofore unavailable framework for examining how the U.S. war in Iraq came to pass. Clearly, it calls into question the repeated assertions of Bush administration officials that they were the unwitting victims of bad intelligence.
Above all, the 935 false statements painstakingly presented here finally help to answer two all-too-familiar questions as they apply to Bush and his top advisers: What did they know, and when did they know it?
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 24, 2008 1:51 AM
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All of the evidence is there! The smokng guns are so numerous, they've blotted out the sun. Never before in the history of this once-great nation has there been more than enough evidence to proceed with the Constitutionally mandated process of impeachment. So, what are these stupid fucking Democrats telling us? "Impeachment is off the table."
Here's the funny thing: They really think that 2008 is going to be a Democratic year. So convinced are they of this notion, they don't dare show some profiles in courage. That's why they will more-than-likely face another third party uprising at the polls next November. We - "the base" - are sick and tired of these timid, gutless and pathetic assholes.
John Edwards is the only candidate who is talking like the political heir of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. So what are these foolish Democrats about to do? They're about to hand the nomination over to the Goldwater Girl!
I'm not making this stuff up!
Tom Degan
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COUNTDOWN: ONE MORE YEAR!
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Posted by: Earthian on Jan 24, 2008 4:13 AM
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Powell said on a visit to Egypt, that Saddam Hussein:
“has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.”
2-24-01 in Egypt
Rice said of Saddam:
“We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.”
7-29-01
From this timeline:
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/
This article failed to mention these two truths that Rice and Powell spoke so bravely. Where is the balance?
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Posted by: Sissy on Jan 24, 2008 4:43 AM
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Again, if this is true, how can they sleep at night?
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Posted by: montims on Jan 24, 2008 5:40 AM
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What the hell are American citizens going to do about this?
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Posted by: ptoddchesser on Jan 24, 2008 5:59 AM
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When this man (I use that term loosely) was put into office I told my older brother(career Army) to keep his head up because this guy would have him in Iraq within a year. I was wrong, it took 3. I felt that we would be there by hook or by crook because this simple little man has a penchant for holding grudges. When G.H.W.Bush ran Hussein out of Kuwait and thought it prudent not to continue into Baghdad it put "Dubya's" panties in a wad. When he realized that he would be president he was already conniving and planning what he and his cronies could do to "Avenge my Daddy!".
I was told in 2000 that I was an idiot to think that Bush would take us into the Middle East. I am just ashamed that so many were so blind for so long. I guess what really gets to me is the fact that we will still be embroiled in the mess in Iraq long after this dumbass has retired to Crawford to cut brush.
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 24, 2008 6:35 AM
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Yet, NYT, WaPo, and the rest of MSM in America actively promoted Bush's version. Why? 'cause media in US is owned by a handful of corporations that push their neoliberal/neocon economic agenda.
Americans should have known better, and they chose to wrap themselves up in the flag which has choked the blood-flow to their brains necessary for clear, objective thinking.
So this analysis is too late. We are deaf, dumb, and blind. And we deserve Bush for many more years
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Posted by: Whistler on Jan 24, 2008 6:40 AM
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Last but not least are the people. They shrug their shoulders, shake their heads and continue with business as usual when their representatives betray and poke them up the whazoo. They're still clucking over which yes-man/woman they're going to vote for. They're still giving credence to TV ads created by the same companies that promote Republican lies. The candidates with an ounce of integrity are considered a joke by the masses.
So screw them. In short, the USA has the government it deserves and it is only when the entire thing collapses, fascism reigns, treasury is completely looted, then - and ONLY then - will people get interested in politics, only then, it will be too late.
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Posted by: Candleinheart on Jan 24, 2008 6:54 AM
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Posted by: truthteller on Jan 24, 2008 7:12 AM
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When are we going to learn that the fix is in, not just on elections, but just about every other part of life in the U. S.? The only way we are ever going to get back - or maybe just get for the first time - control for the people is to TAKE IT! Obviously, asking the "opposition" to take action is not working. They have shown their true colors - yellow - and are not worth supporting. Do not compromise. Nader WAS right. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Rethuglicans and the Defeatocrats on what truly matters to the vast majority of people in the World. They are all corporatists that use social wedge issues to distract us from the military and economic skulduggery they engage in Worldwide.
Barring an electoral miracle that makes my man, Dennis Kucinich a realistic candidate, vote for the probable Green Party nominee, Cynthia McKinney.
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Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Jan 24, 2008 8:23 AM
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Posted by: SevenStarHand on Jan 24, 2008 8:39 AM
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Please be seated and listen up! The lectures will now commence...
The combination of the Center for Public Integrtity's "Irag: The War Card" research, George Tenet's book, At the Center of the Storm, Eisner & Royce's The Italian Letter and the books and research of many others in recent years now provides enough of a foundation for everyone to finally discern that 9:11 was a "false flag" operation against both the American public and the Muslim world.
Likewise, the uncanny synchronicity of Al Qaeda's videos and other activities, perfectly timed to reinforce and support the Bush/Cheney administration's political needs, coupled with the actions of the Bush admin actually serving to strengthen Al Qaeda's position, now makes perfect sense. The apparent mistakes and chaos that have characterized the Iraq war, the easily prevented resurgence of the Taliban, and permitting Bin Laden to escape Tora Bora to a safe haven in Pakistan all fit the same pattern.
It's hard to maintain a state of continuous war if you allow your made-to-order enemies to be defeated too early. It is likewise hard to remain a "war president" if your wars end too soon!
What they knew and when they knew it!
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 24, 2008 8:55 AM
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So many reasons to impeach. So little time. I have a hard time believing in Hell. But if it exists it was made specifically for monsters that start wars based on lies. Eternal damnation, anyone?
Switching gears:
I suggest that we all have a good time with the fact that Bush lies, and lies often about the most important of topics. I heard somewhere the idea for a drinking game that can be played during the upcoming State of the Union speech. Every time Bush says something that is provably a lie, take a swig of alcohol (or of whatever concoction you wish). That is A LOT of drinking, however. (Maybe this game isn't safe.)
I personally can't listen to the man-demon, however, even as an excuse to drink alcohol.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 24, 2008 8:58 AM
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That's nearly 4,000 counts of negligent homicide against George Bush and Dick Cheney –– with over 600,000 counts pending in the Iraqi court.
I wonder if the courtroon in Nuremberg is still available?
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Posted by: redroadtraveler on Jan 24, 2008 9:46 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 24, 2008 9:57 AM
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people simply do not want to accept that they have been lied to.
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Posted by: Chloe2005 on Jan 24, 2008 10:00 AM
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 24, 2008 10:45 AM
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its not like the FCC will fine you for using the L-word when it comes to the President, will they?
"blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth"
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Posted by: Forrest on Jan 24, 2008 1:31 PM
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After it became apparent that the Bush administration was preparing to attack Iraq,
We decided to research the hawks promoting the invasion of Iraq. At this point we were
interested in uncovering the motivation since it was obvious that any threat that Saddam Hussein's Iraq posed to the United States was clearly exaggerated to the point of deception. In 1981 Israeli IDF destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear plant at Osiraq and the Americans again obliterated the site in 1991. In 1998, the IAEA concluded: "There were no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapons-usable nuclear material of any practical significance."
http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Programmes
/ActionTeam/nwp2.html#weapon
In researching the hawks promoting the invasion of Iraq, we found a policy paper written by Richard Perle et al for the state of Israel in 1996: (A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm): http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
"This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq —
an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions."
And in 1998 Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and notably Donald Rumsfeld (and others) wrote a letter to then President Bill Clinton calling on him to remove ".... Saddam Hussein's regime from power."
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
What is especially significant is the fact that the people who signed this letter back in 1998
entered the Bush administration after the presidential election of 2000.
After the terror and confusion of 9/11 in 2001 (which had nothing to do with Iraq),
they were able to implement their planned invasion of Iraq using the deception of
WMD's and non-existent links between Iraq and al-Qa'ida.
And in the last past 5 years since 9/11, the evidence, the facts, all support the conclusion
that Jane's Intelligence Digest hints at in the following report:
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/
africa_middle_east/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
"All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a master plan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests."
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Jan 24, 2008 2:47 PM
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Sadly, I fear not.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 24, 2008 3:26 PM
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If Congress doesn't have the will, and it appears it does not, despite the above, then "the people" need to be heard on the specific articles of offense and a public condemnation by as many citizens as possible.
Let's try the bastards here.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 24, 2008 3:58 PM
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First, you have some "official spokespeople" - the statements of the officials are what this study covers.
That alone isn't enough to propagate the message, however - you need experts to get the message out.
This is coordinated by PR firms - in the case of OIL, Operation Iraq Liberation (I mean Freedom, OIF!) that was done by the Rendon Group and it's sister corporation, the Lincoln Group.
They have contacts within the corporate press that they feed the press releases to (Judith Miller and Michael Gordon at the New York Times are notable examples, but there were many, many others).
Then, you need some "independent third-party experts" - get them to write books and articles. Notable examples there include Ken Pollack, the ex-CIA, ex-NSA author of "The Gathering Storm", now at the Brookings Institute.
Then, you need to publicize the book, which the folks at Random House "bent over backwards" to do. You need to have briefings and meetings focused on the book and the "independent experts" at the think tanks.
Then, get the television press involved. Dress up some reporters in chemical weapon rubber bug suits and have them parade around in front of the cameras. Show clips of exploding nuclear weapons. Run footage of Hitler non-stop, interspersed with images of Saddam Hussein.
That's how you sell a war!
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Posted by: xvictor on Jan 24, 2008 7:22 PM
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 24, 2008 7:57 PM
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People, the time to wake up was in the 70's and if you want to survive in the future you need to mentally prepare. Google 9/11 truth, peak oil, and remember the two are directly related, something neither side will admit too.
I suggest you read the latest from simmons and plan accordingly.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-02-01/feature2.php
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Posted by: prilla on Jan 24, 2008 8:57 PM
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Posted by: onevoter on Jan 24, 2008 9:23 PM
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(RADIO EDIT)
GOD, GUNS & MONEY IS ALL SOME UNDERSTAND
BUT JESUS NEVER WALKED AROUND WITH A WEAPON IN HIS HAND
THE SCENE IS SCARY WHEN THE INSANE RULE THE DAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THE AMERICAN WAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY EACH ONE TO REVERE
SAVE ME, FALSE PROTECT ME, BRING ON THEM LAZY YEARS
THE PICTURES CRAZY, COMPASSION’S IN THE GRAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THROW YOUR HANDS UP AND RAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY CAN’T TAKE AWAY THE FEAR
OF SELF-CREATED NEURO-SPIN IN A LOCKED OUT HEMISPHERE
PSYCHIATRIST ARE RICHER, PHARMACEUTICALS PAVE THE WAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THE DRUGS THAT WE CRAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY ALL THREE WORK IN STRIDE
A DEADLY COMBINATION DESIGNED TO TURN THE TIDE
THE STORM IS BREWING, HEAT RISING HIGH
GOD, GUNS & MONEY WON’T SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY?
WE’RE DROWNING DEEP IN LIES
TO KEEP AN ILLUSION ALIVE
DARK CLOUDS HOVER IN THE SKY
WHERE BRAVE EAGLES USED TO FLY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY BRING A CHILL DEEP TO MY BONES
WHEN I HEAR INNOCENT VILLAGERS DIED IN A FREE FIRE ZONE
MIDDLE FINGER FOREIGN POLICY, DIPLOMACY EXTINCT
GOD, GUNS & MONEY HOW SICK CAN WE THINK?
GOD, GUNS AND MONEY, WHEN WILL THE BUBBLE BURST?
THEY’LL CUT THE TONGUE RIGHT FROM YOUR MOUTH, THE ARTISTS WILL BE FIRST
IF YOU VOTED FOR IT YOU SHOULD BE SENT OFF TO WAR
GOD, GUNS AND MONEY JUST WAIT FOR WHAT’S IN STORE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY GIVE THE RIGHT TO PLUNDER LAND
THOUGH THE CHICKENHAWKS CAN’T EVEN FIND THEIR ASS WITH
BOTH THEIR HANDS DOCTRINE’S IN MOTION, THE CRUSADES IN FULL SWING
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Jan 24, 2008 10:52 PM
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However, lies are not the real issue here. Oil is the real issue. And it is because of oil that Hillary or Obama will also keep us in Iraq if they win. The oil barons and their politician servants know that 'peak oil' is coming. This war was about establishing US control over Middle Eastern oil reserves.
Yes, there are some bizarre theories about peak oil, but it is a simple reality that oil is not a renewable resource. It will run out and as consumption rises rapidly around the world - think of China - oil reserves disappear more quickly. The theory is that once we have hit the midpoint (the peak) of all total historical oil reserves, the price of oil will increase dramatically and continuously until the oil is gone. Wars are thought to be likely as nations and people fight over access. We are most likely within a generation of peak oil: it could be sooner or slightly later, but we are most likely approaching it.
The Bush administration and the Democratic candidates know it. This war was a preemptive strike, not against WMDs or terrorists, but in the war for control of oil reserves. It established American dominance before possible conflicts due to peak oil.
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www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm
And more of the context of the remark:
"We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
And Powell's later big lie-fest before the UN: (Ironically labeled at the White House website "Denial and Deception" in large yellow block letters. It is a sight to behold.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/
2003/02/20030205-1.html
He tries to defend his other quote here (very badly):
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/
remarks/36331.htm
(The two links above are split due to AlterNet's word limit of 60 characters.)
Here is the source for Rice's truthful, contradictory statement about Iraq being contained, in July 2001:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/29/le.00.html
And the key text:
(Larry) "KING: Still a menace, still a problem. But the administration failed, principally because of objections from Russia and China, to get the new sanctions policy through the United Nations Security Council. Now what? Do we do this for another 10 years?
RICE: Well, in fact, John, we have made progress on the sanctions. We, in fact, had four of the five, of the permanent five, ready to go along with smart sanctions.
We'll work with the Russians. I'm sure that we'll come to some resolution there, because it is important to restructure these sanctions to something that work.
But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
This has been a successful period, but obviously we would like to increase pressure on him, and we're going to go about doing that."
So . . .
For such contradictions via the later lies, Rice and Powell should be tried for lying to go to war. These statements by Rice and Powell mean that their later falsehoods were not bad intelligence estimates. The lies were intentional. With over 4000 American service people dead, over one million Iraqi civilians dead, and a nation destroyed, this has got to be a felony worth a very long jail term, for not only Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, but also for Rice and Powell.
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012808G.shtml
The link underscores the images Fisk presented of that prep school doofus sauntering around with those smarmy Saudi absolutists--almost more than a stomach can bear.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 24, 2008 1:51 AM
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All of the evidence is there! The smokng guns are so numerous, they've blotted out the sun. Never before in the history of this once-great nation has there been more than enough evidence to proceed with the Constitutionally mandated process of impeachment. So, what are these stupid fucking Democrats telling us? "Impeachment is off the table."
Here's the funny thing: They really think that 2008 is going to be a Democratic year. So convinced are they of this notion, they don't dare show some profiles in courage. That's why they will more-than-likely face another third party uprising at the polls next November. We - "the base" - are sick and tired of these timid, gutless and pathetic assholes.
John Edwards is the only candidate who is talking like the political heir of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. So what are these foolish Democrats about to do? They're about to hand the nomination over to the Goldwater Girl!
I'm not making this stuff up!
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COUNTDOWN: ONE MORE YEAR!
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Powell said on a visit to Egypt, that Saddam Hussein:
“has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.”
2-24-01 in Egypt
Rice said of Saddam:
“We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.”
7-29-01
From this timeline:
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/
This article failed to mention these two truths that Rice and Powell spoke so bravely. Where is the balance?
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Again, if this is true, how can they sleep at night?
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Posted by: montims on Jan 24, 2008 5:40 AM
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What the hell are American citizens going to do about this?
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Posted by: ptoddchesser on Jan 24, 2008 5:59 AM
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When this man (I use that term loosely) was put into office I told my older brother(career Army) to keep his head up because this guy would have him in Iraq within a year. I was wrong, it took 3. I felt that we would be there by hook or by crook because this simple little man has a penchant for holding grudges. When G.H.W.Bush ran Hussein out of Kuwait and thought it prudent not to continue into Baghdad it put "Dubya's" panties in a wad. When he realized that he would be president he was already conniving and planning what he and his cronies could do to "Avenge my Daddy!".
I was told in 2000 that I was an idiot to think that Bush would take us into the Middle East. I am just ashamed that so many were so blind for so long. I guess what really gets to me is the fact that we will still be embroiled in the mess in Iraq long after this dumbass has retired to Crawford to cut brush.
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 24, 2008 6:35 AM
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Yet, NYT, WaPo, and the rest of MSM in America actively promoted Bush's version. Why? 'cause media in US is owned by a handful of corporations that push their neoliberal/neocon economic agenda.
Americans should have known better, and they chose to wrap themselves up in the flag which has choked the blood-flow to their brains necessary for clear, objective thinking.
So this analysis is too late. We are deaf, dumb, and blind. And we deserve Bush for many more years
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Posted by: Whistler on Jan 24, 2008 6:40 AM
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Last but not least are the people. They shrug their shoulders, shake their heads and continue with business as usual when their representatives betray and poke them up the whazoo. They're still clucking over which yes-man/woman they're going to vote for. They're still giving credence to TV ads created by the same companies that promote Republican lies. The candidates with an ounce of integrity are considered a joke by the masses.
So screw them. In short, the USA has the government it deserves and it is only when the entire thing collapses, fascism reigns, treasury is completely looted, then - and ONLY then - will people get interested in politics, only then, it will be too late.
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Posted by: truthteller on Jan 24, 2008 7:12 AM
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When are we going to learn that the fix is in, not just on elections, but just about every other part of life in the U. S.? The only way we are ever going to get back - or maybe just get for the first time - control for the people is to TAKE IT! Obviously, asking the "opposition" to take action is not working. They have shown their true colors - yellow - and are not worth supporting. Do not compromise. Nader WAS right. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Rethuglicans and the Defeatocrats on what truly matters to the vast majority of people in the World. They are all corporatists that use social wedge issues to distract us from the military and economic skulduggery they engage in Worldwide.
Barring an electoral miracle that makes my man, Dennis Kucinich a realistic candidate, vote for the probable Green Party nominee, Cynthia McKinney.
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Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Jan 24, 2008 8:23 AM
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Posted by: SevenStarHand on Jan 24, 2008 8:39 AM
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Please be seated and listen up! The lectures will now commence...
The combination of the Center for Public Integrtity's "Irag: The War Card" research, George Tenet's book, At the Center of the Storm, Eisner & Royce's The Italian Letter and the books and research of many others in recent years now provides enough of a foundation for everyone to finally discern that 9:11 was a "false flag" operation against both the American public and the Muslim world.
Likewise, the uncanny synchronicity of Al Qaeda's videos and other activities, perfectly timed to reinforce and support the Bush/Cheney administration's political needs, coupled with the actions of the Bush admin actually serving to strengthen Al Qaeda's position, now makes perfect sense. The apparent mistakes and chaos that have characterized the Iraq war, the easily prevented resurgence of the Taliban, and permitting Bin Laden to escape Tora Bora to a safe haven in Pakistan all fit the same pattern.
It's hard to maintain a state of continuous war if you allow your made-to-order enemies to be defeated too early. It is likewise hard to remain a "war president" if your wars end too soon!
What they knew and when they knew it!
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 24, 2008 8:55 AM
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So many reasons to impeach. So little time. I have a hard time believing in Hell. But if it exists it was made specifically for monsters that start wars based on lies. Eternal damnation, anyone?
Switching gears:
I suggest that we all have a good time with the fact that Bush lies, and lies often about the most important of topics. I heard somewhere the idea for a drinking game that can be played during the upcoming State of the Union speech. Every time Bush says something that is provably a lie, take a swig of alcohol (or of whatever concoction you wish). That is A LOT of drinking, however. (Maybe this game isn't safe.)
I personally can't listen to the man-demon, however, even as an excuse to drink alcohol.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 24, 2008 8:58 AM
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That's nearly 4,000 counts of negligent homicide against George Bush and Dick Cheney –– with over 600,000 counts pending in the Iraqi court.
I wonder if the courtroon in Nuremberg is still available?
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 24, 2008 9:57 AM
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people simply do not want to accept that they have been lied to.
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Posted by: Chloe2005 on Jan 24, 2008 10:00 AM
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 24, 2008 10:45 AM
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its not like the FCC will fine you for using the L-word when it comes to the President, will they?
"blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth"
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Posted by: Forrest on Jan 24, 2008 1:31 PM
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After it became apparent that the Bush administration was preparing to attack Iraq,
We decided to research the hawks promoting the invasion of Iraq. At this point we were
interested in uncovering the motivation since it was obvious that any threat that Saddam Hussein's Iraq posed to the United States was clearly exaggerated to the point of deception. In 1981 Israeli IDF destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear plant at Osiraq and the Americans again obliterated the site in 1991. In 1998, the IAEA concluded: "There were no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapons-usable nuclear material of any practical significance."
http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Programmes
/ActionTeam/nwp2.html#weapon
In researching the hawks promoting the invasion of Iraq, we found a policy paper written by Richard Perle et al for the state of Israel in 1996: (A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm): http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
"This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq —
an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions."
And in 1998 Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and notably Donald Rumsfeld (and others) wrote a letter to then President Bill Clinton calling on him to remove ".... Saddam Hussein's regime from power."
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
What is especially significant is the fact that the people who signed this letter back in 1998
entered the Bush administration after the presidential election of 2000.
After the terror and confusion of 9/11 in 2001 (which had nothing to do with Iraq),
they were able to implement their planned invasion of Iraq using the deception of
WMD's and non-existent links between Iraq and al-Qa'ida.
And in the last past 5 years since 9/11, the evidence, the facts, all support the conclusion
that Jane's Intelligence Digest hints at in the following report:
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/
africa_middle_east/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
"All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a master plan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests."
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Jan 24, 2008 2:47 PM
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Sadly, I fear not.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 24, 2008 3:26 PM
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If Congress doesn't have the will, and it appears it does not, despite the above, then "the people" need to be heard on the specific articles of offense and a public condemnation by as many citizens as possible.
Let's try the bastards here.
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First, you have some "official spokespeople" - the statements of the officials are what this study covers.
That alone isn't enough to propagate the message, however - you need experts to get the message out.
This is coordinated by PR firms - in the case of OIL, Operation Iraq Liberation (I mean Freedom, OIF!) that was done by the Rendon Group and it's sister corporation, the Lincoln Group.
They have contacts within the corporate press that they feed the press releases to (Judith Miller and Michael Gordon at the New York Times are notable examples, but there were many, many others).
Then, you need some "independent third-party experts" - get them to write books and articles. Notable examples there include Ken Pollack, the ex-CIA, ex-NSA author of "The Gathering Storm", now at the Brookings Institute.
Then, you need to publicize the book, which the folks at Random House "bent over backwards" to do. You need to have briefings and meetings focused on the book and the "independent experts" at the think tanks.
Then, get the television press involved. Dress up some reporters in chemical weapon rubber bug suits and have them parade around in front of the cameras. Show clips of exploding nuclear weapons. Run footage of Hitler non-stop, interspersed with images of Saddam Hussein.
That's how you sell a war!
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 24, 2008 7:57 PM
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People, the time to wake up was in the 70's and if you want to survive in the future you need to mentally prepare. Google 9/11 truth, peak oil, and remember the two are directly related, something neither side will admit too.
I suggest you read the latest from simmons and plan accordingly.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-02-01/feature2.php
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(RADIO EDIT)
GOD, GUNS & MONEY IS ALL SOME UNDERSTAND
BUT JESUS NEVER WALKED AROUND WITH A WEAPON IN HIS HAND
THE SCENE IS SCARY WHEN THE INSANE RULE THE DAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THE AMERICAN WAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY EACH ONE TO REVERE
SAVE ME, FALSE PROTECT ME, BRING ON THEM LAZY YEARS
THE PICTURES CRAZY, COMPASSION’S IN THE GRAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THROW YOUR HANDS UP AND RAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY CAN’T TAKE AWAY THE FEAR
OF SELF-CREATED NEURO-SPIN IN A LOCKED OUT HEMISPHERE
PSYCHIATRIST ARE RICHER, PHARMACEUTICALS PAVE THE WAY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY THE DRUGS THAT WE CRAVE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY ALL THREE WORK IN STRIDE
A DEADLY COMBINATION DESIGNED TO TURN THE TIDE
THE STORM IS BREWING, HEAT RISING HIGH
GOD, GUNS & MONEY WON’T SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY?
WE’RE DROWNING DEEP IN LIES
TO KEEP AN ILLUSION ALIVE
DARK CLOUDS HOVER IN THE SKY
WHERE BRAVE EAGLES USED TO FLY
GOD, GUNS & MONEY BRING A CHILL DEEP TO MY BONES
WHEN I HEAR INNOCENT VILLAGERS DIED IN A FREE FIRE ZONE
MIDDLE FINGER FOREIGN POLICY, DIPLOMACY EXTINCT
GOD, GUNS & MONEY HOW SICK CAN WE THINK?
GOD, GUNS AND MONEY, WHEN WILL THE BUBBLE BURST?
THEY’LL CUT THE TONGUE RIGHT FROM YOUR MOUTH, THE ARTISTS WILL BE FIRST
IF YOU VOTED FOR IT YOU SHOULD BE SENT OFF TO WAR
GOD, GUNS AND MONEY JUST WAIT FOR WHAT’S IN STORE
GOD, GUNS & MONEY GIVE THE RIGHT TO PLUNDER LAND
THOUGH THE CHICKENHAWKS CAN’T EVEN FIND THEIR ASS WITH
BOTH THEIR HANDS DOCTRINE’S IN MOTION, THE CRUSADES IN FULL SWING
GOD, GUNS & MONEY CROWN AMERICA KING
Words & Music by Brian Stoltz
© 2005 Long Overdue Music Co. (ASCAP)
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Jan 24, 2008 10:52 PM
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However, lies are not the real issue here. Oil is the real issue. And it is because of oil that Hillary or Obama will also keep us in Iraq if they win. The oil barons and their politician servants know that 'peak oil' is coming. This war was about establishing US control over Middle Eastern oil reserves.
Yes, there are some bizarre theories about peak oil, but it is a simple reality that oil is not a renewable resource. It will run out and as consumption rises rapidly around the world - think of China - oil reserves disappear more quickly. The theory is that once we have hit the midpoint (the peak) of all total historical oil reserves, the price of oil will increase dramatically and continuously until the oil is gone. Wars are thought to be likely as nations and people fight over access. We are most likely within a generation of peak oil: it could be sooner or slightly later, but we are most likely approaching it.
The Bush administration and the Democratic candidates know it. This war was a preemptive strike, not against WMDs or terrorists, but in the war for control of oil reserves. It established American dominance before possible conflicts due to peak oil.
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Posted by: yogendra2 on Jan 25, 2008 11:29 AM
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www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm
And more of the context of the remark:
"We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
And Powell's later big lie-fest before the UN: (Ironically labeled at the White House website "Denial and Deception" in large yellow block letters. It is a sight to behold.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/
2003/02/20030205-1.html
He tries to defend his other quote here (very badly):
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/
remarks/36331.htm
(The two links above are split due to AlterNet's word limit of 60 characters.)
Here is the source for Rice's truthful, contradictory statement about Iraq being contained, in July 2001:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/29/le.00.html
And the key text:
(Larry) "KING: Still a menace, still a problem. But the administration failed, principally because of objections from Russia and China, to get the new sanctions policy through the United Nations Security Council. Now what? Do we do this for another 10 years?
RICE: Well, in fact, John, we have made progress on the sanctions. We, in fact, had four of the five, of the permanent five, ready to go along with smart sanctions.
We'll work with the Russians. I'm sure that we'll come to some resolution there, because it is important to restructure these sanctions to something that work.
But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
This has been a successful period, but obviously we would like to increase pressure on him, and we're going to go about doing that."
So . . .
For such contradictions via the later lies, Rice and Powell should be tried for lying to go to war. These statements by Rice and Powell mean that their later falsehoods were not bad intelligence estimates. The lies were intentional. With over 4000 American service people dead, over one million Iraqi civilians dead, and a nation destroyed, this has got to be a felony worth a very long jail term, for not only Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, but also for Rice and Powell.
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012808G.shtml
The link underscores the images Fisk presented of that prep school doofus sauntering around with those smarmy Saudi absolutists--almost more than a stomach can bear.
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