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Iraqi Soldier Who Killed U.S. Troops is a Hero in Iraq

By Ali Al-Fadhily, IPS News. Posted January 8, 2008.


The story of an Iraqi soldier defending a pregnant woman against U.S. troops is front page news in Iraq.
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The recent killing of two U.S. soldiers by their Iraqi colleague has raised disturbing questions about U.S. military relations with the Iraqis they work with.

On Dec. 26, an Iraqi soldier opened fire on U.S. soldiers accompanying him during a joint military patrol in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. He killed the U.S. captain and another sergeant, and wounded three others, including an Iraqi interpreter.

Conflicting versions of the killing have arisen. Col. Hazim al-Juboory, uncle of the attacker Kaissar Saady al-Juboory, told IPS that his nephew at first watched the U.S. soldiers beat up an Iraqi woman. When he asked them to stop, they refused, so he opened fire.

"Kaissar is a professional soldier who revolted against the Americans when they dragged a woman by her hair in a brutal way," Col. Juboory said. "He is a tribal man, and an Arab with honor who would not accept such behavior. He killed his captain and sergeant knowing that he would be executed."

Others gave IPS a similar account. "I was there when the American captain and his soldiers raided a neighborhood and started shouting at women to tell them where some men they wanted were," a resident of Mosul, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS on phone. "The women told them they did not know, and their men did not do anything wrong, and started crying in fear."

The witness said the U.S. captain began to shout at his soldiers and the women, and his men then started to grab the women and pull them by their hair.

"The soldier we knew later to be Kaissar shouted at the Americans, 'No, no,' but the captain shouted back at the Iraqi soldier," the witness told IPS. "Then the Iraqi soldier shouted, 'Let go of the women, you sons of bitches,' and started shooting at them." The soldier, he said, then ran off.

The Association of Muslim Scholars, a Sunni organization, issued a statement saying the Iraqi soldier had shot the U.S. soldiers after he saw them beat up a pregnant woman.

"His blood rose and he asked the occupying soldiers to stop beating the woman," they said in the statement. "Their answer through the translator was: 'We will do what we want.' So he opened fire on them."

The story was first reported on al-Rafidain satellite channel. That started Iraqis from all over the country talking about "the hero" who sacrificed his life for Iraqi honor.

The U.S. and Iraqi military told a different version of the story.

An Iraqi general told reporters that Kaissar carried out the attack because he had links to "Sunni Arab insurgent groups."

"Soldier Kaissar Saady worked for insurgent groups who pushed him to learn army movements and warn his comrades about them," a captain of the second Iraqi army division told IPS. "There are so many like him in the army and now within the so-called Awakening forces (militias funded by the U.S. military)."

One army officer speaking on condition of anonymity described Kaissar's act as heroic. "Those Americans learned their lesson once more."

Sheikh Juma' al-Dawar, chief of the major al-Baggara tribe in Iraq, told IPS in Baghdad that "Kaissar is from the al-Juboor tribes in Gayara -- tribes with morals that Americans do not understand."

The tribal chief added, "Juboor tribes and all other tribes are proud of Kaissar and what he did by killing the American soldiers. Now he is a hero, with a name that will never be forgotten."

Many Iraqis speak in similar vein. "It is another example of Iraqi people's unity despite political conspiracies by the Americans and their tails (collaborators)," Mohammad Nassir, an independent politician in Baghdad told IPS. "Kaissar is loved by all Iraqis who pray for his safety and who are ready to donate anything for his welfare."

Col. Juboory said Kaissar who had at first accepted collaboration with the U.S. forces "found the truth too bitter to put up with." The colonel said: "I worked with the Americans because being an army officer is my job, and also because I was convinced they would help Iraqis. But 11 months was enough for me to realize that starving to death is more honorable than serving the occupiers. They were mean in every way."

Independent sources have since told IPS that Kaissar was captured by a special joint Iraqi-U.S. force, and he is now being held and tortured at the al-Ghizlany military camp in Mosul.

Despite a recent decline in the number of occupation forces being killed, 2007 was the deadliest year of the occupation for U.S. troops, with 901 killed, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

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Let me be the first to say
Posted by: Dboy on Jan 8, 2008 1:01 AM   
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Well done Caesar. Any resistance to a hostile and illegal occupation is a heroic act.

dboy

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if the story is true
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 8, 2008 2:57 AM   
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If the story, the way it is described, is true, well....
You americans in Irak will be more and more submerged until you dont leave your bases.
What a magnificent prospect for your so called democracy enforcing in the world.
If I was an Iraki, I would convince myself that even an extremist islamic government would be better than the humiliation of your presence, and assume the natural consequences of that thought.

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» RE: if the story is true Posted by: audiodef
Worshiping US soldiers...
Posted by: chomsky on Jan 8, 2008 3:03 AM   
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To those who worship US soldiers, just remember 2 facts:
1. The military are deseperate to find new recruits, so they hire people with criminal records.
2. they put these people in a position of power, give them guns, and tell them "you have immunity, enjoy!"
There are certainly "good" soldiers (as far as killing other people can be good).
But there are definitely evil ones.

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Propaganda at it's best
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 8, 2008 3:06 AM   
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As much as I dislike the ocupation and the general behavior of US armed forces, I think it's too soon to have an oppinion in this case; too little is known, too much can be twisted from both sides of the field. We are all aware of american propaganda distorting whatever happens in Irak, but we cant oversee the value this story has for propagandists on the insurgence. As a terrorist attack, it seems a poor one; this same soldier, having access to military instalations, would have had much more impact if he attacked there, not during some operation, with everyone combat ready and alert. So I give the "hero" version a 70% margin over the "terrorist" one.

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Garbage disposal
Posted by: Julian on Jan 8, 2008 4:20 AM   
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A bit like the fragging by US soldiers of scores of officers embroiled in the rape of Vietnam. Even if often the motives were ignoble (e.g. squabbles over drugs etc) the effect was justice in its roughest form and must have had a role in persuading the major war criminals like Johnson and Nixon to look for ways out of the morass.

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disgusting
Posted by: schnoggi on Jan 8, 2008 4:48 AM   
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"he is now being held and tortured at the al-Ghizlany military camp in Mosul."
every day I am a little more ashamed of what our country has become

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» RE: disgusting Posted by: tmwright
» RE: disgusting Posted by: tuelster
» RE: disgusting Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: disgusting Posted by: newtype_alpha
Thank You
Posted by: the islander on Jan 8, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Thank you for bringing this story into the light. Let the light shine on our deeds, the true nature of the Bush administration's "mission" in Iraq.

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Thank you Kaisser
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 8, 2008 7:17 AM   
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The all-volunteer US forces in Iraq are following the illegal orders of our fascists leaders.
Our soldiers and leaders are war criminals.

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What is important
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Jan 8, 2008 7:57 AM   
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irrespective of which version is true, is that the story seems to have rung a bell with a large part of the Iraqi population. If the people on the ground, as opposed to rednecks in Midland, TX, find the story believable, it is because it rings true with their own experiences.

As is often the case, it is the perception which tells you more than the truth.

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» RE: What is important Posted by: peacefullaim
Anyone for "Rashomon"?
Posted by: mangell on Jan 8, 2008 7:58 AM   
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While the occupation of Iraq is illegal, the veracity of any news report coming from any side in this conflict is to be doubted.

There are no doubt many readers who want to believe the worse about the U.S. and their actions leave a lot to be desired. But let's not forget that Iraqis themselves have an agenda to push.

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» RE: Anyone for "Rashomon"? Posted by: VZEQICVA
I believe the Iraqi side
Posted by: warriornation on Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Kaiser defended a pregnant woman. Of course, the military would try to distort the real story. I believe the Iraqis on this one. After what happened at Iraqi prisons, what's happening with Guantanamo Bay, and the bull taht Petraus spouted out, I just don't have a reason to believe the Military.

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» Who to believe Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: paulaH
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Lemme make it easy for you . . Posted by: pete ess
» RE: Who to believe Posted by: leafsong1
I think the soldier was provoked
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 8, 2008 8:59 AM   
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Like some other posters on this article, I think that the Iraqi soldier must have been provoked in some way.

Why would he, in the middle of a mission with other armed soldiers, suddenly turn on them?

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Defending the defenseless
Posted by: DanoM on Jan 8, 2008 9:49 AM   
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I have to admit that I want to believe the Iraqi side of the story. It sounds heroic, and it's something that I could see a just man doing in a time of crisis. Of course the opposition to US forces there would of course like to distort any truth to make the US look bad too, and unfortunately that's where the accounts *might* be colored.

Then the counter from the US side it to scream terrorist, and that doesn't do anything to get the truth out either.

I can tell you this though... If another country invaded the USA to help rid us of an evil dictatorship (let's say there was a family that had basically taken over control of the presidency for several years) I wouldn't want them hanging around, abducting people, torturing, pointing guns at anyone, shooting people and screaming about the Mexican and Canadian insurgents. I'd do everything in my power to get rid of them... Anything!

We have unfortunately become that sad invader, and there's no easy way out now. I wish our leaders would go to the world on our knees and ask for help in resolving the situation we have created. (We created some of the mess and triggered the rest, so a little groveling is probably going to be required.)

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» "and there's no easy way out" Posted by: leafsong1
THE WAR IS DETERIORATING TO MINDLESS VIOLENCE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 8, 2008 9:56 AM   
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This story broke in Iraq long before it appeared in our news. We have Iraqis who have watched their people die in great numbers. We have our military mired in chaos. There is no definition for what they're being asked to do. One day someone is the enemy, next day suddenly he/she is on our side. I've seen this story in too many places not to believe it. There are many more just like it. Everyone gets hurt. There are no winners. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THE WAR ... Posted by: Dboy
Where are the independent reporters?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 8, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Oh - right - they've all been killed.

"In the committee’s annual report to be released Tuesday, 64 journalists died in circumstances linked to their work in 2007. Nearly half of those deaths, 31, took place in Iraq, which was ranked as the deadliest country for journalists for the fifth consecutive year. Most of the killings were targeted attacks, as opposed to deaths caused by cross-fire, according to the committee."

One of the main goals of the U.S. occupation under Rumsfeld and Petraues (who are identical to one another in style, action, and substance) was and is the censorship of information.

In their eyes, the greatest obstacle to the control of information is independent reporting. They probably instructed their 'counterinsurgency teams' to murder any independent reporters that they come across.

Thus, we're left with conflicting reports - but I sure wouldn't give any credence to what the Pentagon pubic relations office has to say about events in Iraq.

See Pentagon buttressing its public relations efforts, Oct 2006

"The plan would focus more resources on so-called new media, such as the Internet and Web logs. It would also include new workers to book civilian and military guests on television and radio shows.

Pentagon press secretary Eric Ruff did not provide the exact number of people to be hired, or the costs.

Rumsfeld has complained bitterly that the press focuses too much attention on bad news coming out of Iraq, and not enough on progress being made there. As an example, during a trip to Nevada earlier this year, he said he was deeply troubled by the success of terrorist groups in "manipulating the media" to influence Westerners."


That's the total propaganda mindset in action.

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Get the Fuck Out Now..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jan 8, 2008 10:42 AM   
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This shit is fucked up..our army is being corrupted by this occupation and so has our government been corrupted by it as well as our Treasury bled..

If KBR is allowed to gang Rape American women even those with husbands in our services then why would we think American Troops would have respect for Iraqi women..

The whole fucking thing is fucked up there's no other way to express it..

Get our Troops out now not when Obama or Hillary wants or left there for 1,000 years as McCain wants, it's Babylon it will be our ruin in the end..

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STOP THE WAR - DON'T ENLIST
Posted by: truthteller on Jan 8, 2008 11:05 AM   
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I have been calling for that for several years now. I have even asked Medea Benjamin to her face to push a campaign to discourage enlistment between now and the Nov. election. Drying up the cannon fodder is the only way we are going to stop our military adventurism. The only way the can currently come anywhere near meeting their recruiting goals is to open the ranks to the scum of the Earth, or illegal immigrants. If we could even cut recruitment 50%, we could bring the army of the Empire to it's knees!

It is imperative that we do this for the rest of the World, as well as for our own future.

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» One small word: Posted by: Suz
The importance of the story ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Jan 8, 2008 11:17 AM   
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I think, isn't contingent on which version is accurate. The significant points, in my mind, are that A) Iraqis believe the soldier's version, and B) Americans don't see the conflict from a perspective that even resembles the way Iraqis do. Maybe also C) I doubt this guy's going to get anything like a day in an impartial court to determine which version is true.

Besides, regardless of whether this incident happened the way the witnesses describe, it's clearly the case that U.S. troops push Iraqi civilians around all the time, and mostly it doesn't even register in people's consciousness that that fact has serious consequences.

Acts like the one described in this story are par for the course in anti-insurgency campaigns, and they effectively push peoplee into the insurgency.

I'm a peace-loving guy, but I'd take up arms to defend my country from foreign troops bullying Americans in their homes. Wouldn't you?

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Why do we continue to believe anything that our government tells us?
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 8, 2008 12:44 PM   
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I don't understand this need to believe that US is a benevolent power, and we generally do what is right except for the occassional 'bad apples' who screw up things.

Consider the following scenarios since WW2:

1. Bay of Pigs
2. Gulf of Tonkin
3. USS Liberty
4. Coup against Mossadeq
5. Coup against Allende (the original 9/11/73)
6. Iran-Contra
7. Shooting down Iranian Ariliner flight
8. FBI infiltration of antiwar movement in 60's
9. Mai Lai massacre
10. Falluja and the use of illegal chemical weapons
11. Haditha Massacre
12. Iraq-WMD and AlQaeda connections

There are so many other examples. Why is it that a majority of us continue to buy the US government propaganda?

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Justified Gunfire
Posted by: TheRatchett on Jan 8, 2008 2:13 PM   
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Kinda brings to mind the shootings at abortion clinics across the country.

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» Are you serious? Posted by: Suz
» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: TheRatchett
» Ratchett the Hatchet Posted by: zipper696
» Where Do They All Come From??!!!!! Posted by: Stoney 12+1
Does Beating Up Pregnant Women Win The Hearts & Minds of Iraqui People?
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 8, 2008 2:29 PM   
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This is how we are establishing democracy in Iraq?

THe Iraqui people hate us, and our continued military presence only serves to create MORE terrorists.

There is no way to leave Iraq without it being a fisasco shit-storm, but we have to leave irregardless. It is like being in a really bad marriage - just get out, cut your losses and move on.

The reason why there seems to be somewhat less violence in Iraq after the Surge is because ethnic cleansing killed off 20% of the population and 6 million refugees left the country.

We've lost this war so lets get out.

BTW, I'm voting for Obama, but I am not so naieve to believe that electing ANY democrat president will change the course of the war whatsoever. I think we will be in Iraq another 10 years minimum. For most Americans the war in Iraq is a vague abstraction, which is why people are not screaming for impeachment and immediate withdrawl.

There have been big demonstrations for five years with 100,000 people marching in DC, but in a nation of 300 million people we need to see MORE demonstrations than this to end the war. I quit going to demonstrations because I've organized hundreds since 2003 and it is not a strategy that is working. Our politicans are totally out of touch and don't seem to give a damn. I don't see many politicans with the courage to call for an immediate withdrawl except for Kucnich and he is polling at 2%.

The Republicans won't stand up to Bush, although they have distanced themselves from him. Have you noticed that no Republican presidential candidate has asked for Bush's endorsement? The official line is that Bush said he is just an "observer" and not endorsing any Republican presidential candidates. I've NEVER heard of that before and I'm 53.

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???
Posted by: sinfony78 on Jan 8, 2008 2:46 PM   
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'An Iraqi general told reporters that Kaissar carried out the attack because he had links to "Sunni Arab insurgent groups...There are so many like him in the army and now within the so-called Awakening forces."'

exactly...thanks to the mess we've made, the US is now paying and working with Sunnis who were once insurgents

but i find it ridiculously unbelieveable that it would be the duty of a once-insurgent to shoot 3 people in the US military and then run off...if he were truly working subversively, he'd have accomplished more than that (stole equipment, recovered intelligence)...is this now the mission of these "spies"...to kill a few soldiers and run off wildly?

i think i can clearly see where the BS propaganda lies

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Why Not To Support The Troops
Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Jan 8, 2008 3:23 PM   
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Stories like this are great examples of why not to support the troops. This fascist, militarist slogan has, unfortunately, been mimicked by those on the left fearful of the right and/or those with knee jerk politics (i.e., we should support all working class people even when they do evil things like joining the military).

More fundamentally, troops that invade another country should not be supported, with the exception of saving people from Nazi-like circumstances. The left's refusal to demand personal responsibility from anyone but the rich has led to this disgusting position and needs to change. We are ALL responsible for our actions, despite the fact that those with money and power have far more responsibility.

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It's up to the troops to put their guns down, not our opinions or observations
Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 8, 2008 5:23 PM   
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There are soldier that Know and there are merenaries that are there for the money. The mercenaries don't care about anything but their paying job. WHen the $ stops they will leave.

The soldiers still in blind denial will stay as long as they refuse to realize the truth. The soldiers that undertsnad they have been hoodwinked, shanghied, lied to, are on survival control, for them selves.

Somehow they have to understand being court marshaled for non-compliance is a small sacrifice compaired to the life time of bad psychological karma that they will incure if they maintain their false acceptance of being one whom kills as a honerable thing to do.

The purification of mind that will follow by understanding that true honor comes to he that refuses to participate in this mindless involvement will put their psyche at ease knowing that they can live with theirselves and others in peace.

It is the solders that have the power to end the war.
The military troops must realize they are the ones that must stop the killing by stopping participation.

They are the ones that must remove themselves out of harms way. Then others to will see and know refusing to kill each other is the end of thisinsanity.

Then their real life may begin.

Thsi is Bush's war not ours and not theirs. Leave Bush to suck his own discusting lie. He will die in his own dicusting nightmare. He has to live with his own mental hell. The shanghied troops do not.

Just quit participating. Worried you won't beable to get a job when if you get a dishonorable discharge? Don't I'll hire you myself and there are 100's of thousands of others that will too. Precisely be cause you stood up and faced the truth.

You the troops, if you are reading this. Know you are loved. You will be all right when you make youself right. You "...don't need no stinking badge of courage from a corrupt government to be a real man.

We, the Truth believers, all know your delema. worry not. You will be supported when you come home.

You have the power to end the war, the killing, the kaotic maheim.

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You should all move out of the US if you don't like it
Posted by: Rule76 on Jan 9, 2008 8:00 AM   
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You all should look at the military as a blessing. If it were not for them you would not have the right to write what you have on this page. You would be executed just for giving your opinion. Still, it is your opinion and that is what they fight for. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEND YOUR SUPPORT AND PRAYERS TO THEM, even if you do not agree with them sometimes. They used there best judgment in the situation, you never know if the women had been hostile. I mean even children over there carry guns and bombs so why do you think the women don't. Take a look at your life and what you enjoy in it. Really think about it, then think about how it would be to live over there. Without everything you have worked for and enjoyed in your life. The soldiers bring the quality of life that you know to you. So be thankful.

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Love America
Posted by: mistery509 on Jan 9, 2008 10:43 AM   
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The people ask, "Why do so many people hate us?"

Here is one of so many reasons. Wake up!

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No difference between the americans and the zionists
Posted by: fonn on Jan 9, 2008 10:31 PM   
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Has anyone noticed the similarities between the american treatment of Iraqis and the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians? Is it any wonder that these two states are such close buddies? There is something rotten in people who occupy a foreign land, kill or drive away the natives and set up their own state on that soil. Crime, it seems, runs in the blood of these people. So perhaps we shouldn't expect any decency from them

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No difference between the americans and the zionists
Posted by: fonn on Jan 9, 2008 10:31 PM   
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Has anyone noticed the similarities between the american treatment of Iraqis and the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians? Is it any wonder that these two states are such close buddies? There is something rotten in people who occupy a foreign land, kill or drive away the natives and set up their own state on that soil. Crime, it seems, runs in the blood of these people. So perhaps we shouldn't expect any decency from them

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Arab Honor?
Posted by: leland61 on Jan 12, 2008 1:34 PM   
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Is that the same honor that requires girls and women being stoned to death for real or imagined sexual transgressions?

Is that the same honor that requires gay men to be tortured, mutulated and murdered?

Give me a f***ing break, moron. These people's concept of 'honor' may have been appropriate 1,100 years ago or so. But this is not the 9th or 10th century.

Honor! What nonsense. Primeval behavior codes of a civilization that stopped and has been frozen for more than 1,000 years. A civilization that has produced little more than war, murder and mayhem from its beginning.

Honor! There is no honor among murderous thugs.

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» RE: Arab Honor? Posted by: abbadon2007
» RE: Arab Honor? Posted by: FastEddy
to much information
Posted by: anth on Jan 12, 2008 3:36 PM   
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The people on the internet have much to much information, something has to be done to have the people get with the program. Their thoughts are all over the place and nonconforming.China has more self control than we do.Anyone that believes anything that in not in the greater intrest of the United States, like what is on some of the internet,need to be reeducated.

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Alexander Green
Posted by: Truelass on Jan 12, 2008 4:28 PM   
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I was the arresting officer of US soldiers who showed brutality against eight young German women during the occupation following WW2. This was not an isolated case, our army is known for condoning acts of violence on women and children.

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Pay Attention Please
Posted by: Bruce Bartlett on Jan 13, 2008 2:33 AM   
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A) I am sure we all admire our military as much as I do for the freedoms we have.

B) I am a U.S. Navy Veteran. Keep that in mind.

C) Our troops currently in combat in Iraq are not fighting for America's freedom. Iraq was never capable of taking away our freedom.

D) Let's refresh our memories.
Let's go back in time, to when the Iraq war was started.
Mr. Bush told us that Iraq attacked us. That was proven to be a lie. Osama Bin Laden attacked us. He is supposed to be hiding in Afghanistan. Remember any of this ? After the U.S. Press finally printed the truth that we were not attacked by Iraq, and people began to murmur objections, so Mr Bush then told us that
'OK, Iraq didn't attack us, but we have proof that they have huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction that they aim to use on us'. Remember any of this ? And when hundreds of our inspectors combing through the ashes of our bombing raids after the war had begun could not find a shred of WMD's, much less huge stockpiles, and the press finally printed the story, Americans murmured for answers again. And Mr. Bush then said,
'Well, Saddam Hussein is a dictator, and we have picked this one mean dictator out of all the mean dictators in the world to kill, to free Iraq's people from this mean man. We will send our army in and hunt him down'.

Remember Any Of This ?

So, how was Iraq Taking Away Our Freedom ???

D) For those who have forgotten, as the song goes, Please read the plans that Mr Bush and Cheney created and posted online, before they were elected, stating that they firmly intended to have a lasting military presence in the middle east, which was created and printed in 1997... YEARS BEFORE Mr Bush was elected to Office. Here is the link to the actual report; it is a PDF file.
PNAC Report 2000
Pay close attention to the last paragraph on page 8, talking about the 1990 Iraq Kuwait war, and page 14, which speaks of the Iraq conflict as justification to "Reposition American Troops in the Middle East".
The rest of this stunning document speaks of things such as using Space as a U.S. military launch point, and stating that Iran is also a target for U.S. military repositioning.
If anyone prefers to Google it, search for Project for a New American Century ( PNAC ). Google it, and read alot. Particularly the Project for the New American Century's report, Rebuilding America's Defenses, released September 2000, as linked above.

So, back to our history lesson...With Iraq not having attacked us, and no WMD, and since I myself does not believe that Mr. Bushes excuse of 'freeing the Iraqi people' was real, I am generally opposed to this war. BECAUSE it is an unprovoked aggressive takeover of another country to reposition our forces to maintain a worldwide police state, according to Mr Cheney's report I linked you too earlier.
That is Something that I do not believe the founders of our United States Constitution had in mind for America. Nor a role I want our country to play. Especially when torture becomes an accepted state of such occupation.

I love our military and the freedoms it, and I, has fought for in our Major Wars. But not in this lying sham of a war.
If one likes being lied to, deceived, and played as forgetful by your President, and one agrees that we should take over countries using any made up excuse we can think of, to move into other peoples lands, and torture them, then I believe that those folks really should not be living in this particular country. It goes against what America stands for. And Most Americans, especially me, do not want to live by such standards.
Hoping I refreshed your memory.

Bruce B
U.S. Navy Veteran.

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by the way
Posted by: Bruce Bartlett on Jan 13, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Does anyone remember Mr. Bush telling us that the war would be paid for from sales of the oil in Iraq once we take over that country ?
I do.

Does everyone completely understand the 'Freedoms' that we American people have lost over the last 7 years as a result of all of this ? Even I do not fully comprehend all of the freedoms that we have lost. I do know of people who have been detained and interrogated, their computer equipment confiscated, for speaking out too harshly against this administration and this war. One of those people was a friend of my son, and that happened to him 2 years ago.

Are our brave soldiers fighting for our freedom, or are they being fooled, like we are, into fighting for something else ?
Is it any wonder then, that so many want to bring our boys back home ?

Apparently we have no say in the matter.

Here is to hoping that I am not confiscated and called a communist.. I mean terrorist, next.
Cheers :)

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