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Why U.S. Troops Aren't Coming Home

By Michael Schwartz, Tomdispatch.com. Posted December 5, 2007.


According to the Bush Administration, the worse things go in Iraq, the more our military is needed; and the better they go, the more our military is needed.
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Introduction note by Tom Dispatch editor Tom Engelhardt.

Whoa, let's hold those surging horses in check a moment. Violence has lessened in Iraq. That seems to be a fact of the last two months -- and, for the Iraqis, a positive one, obviously. What to make of the "good news" from Iraq is another matter entirely, one made harder to assess by the chorus of self-congratulation from war supporters and Bush administration officials and allies, as well as by the heavy spin being put on events -- and reported in the media, relatively uncritically.

An exception was Damien Cave of the New York Times, who had a revealing piece on a big story of recent weeks: The return of refugee Baghdadis -- from among the two million or more Iraqis who had fled to Syria and other countries -- to the capital. This has been heavily touted as evidence of surge "success" in restoring security in Baghdad, of a genuine turn-around in the war situation. In fact, according to Cave, the trickle of returnees, which had actually been lessening recently, has been heavily "massaged by politics. Returnees have essentially become a currency of progress."

Those relatively modest returnee numbers turn out to include anyone who crossed the Syrian border heading east, including suspected insurgents and Iraqi employees of the New York Times on their way back from visits to relatives in exile in Syria. According to a UN survey of 110 families returning, "46 percent were leaving [Syria] because they could not afford to stay; 25 percent said they fell victim to a stricter Syrian visa policy; and only 14 percent said they were returning because they had heard about improved security." And that's but one warning sign on the nature of the story under the story.

A recent Pew Research Center poll of American reporters who have been working in Iraq finds that "[n]early 90 percent of U.S. journalists in Iraq say much of Baghdad is still too dangerous to visit" and many believe that "coverage has painted too rosy a picture of the conflict." In an on-line chat, the reliable Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post (and author of the bestselling book Fiasco), just back from Baghdad himself, offered his own set of caveats about the situation. He suggested that, in addition to the surge of U.S. troops into the capital's neighborhoods, some combination of other factors may help explain the lessening violence, including the fact that "some Sunni neighborhoods are walled off, and other Sunni areas have been ethnically cleansed. In addition, the Shiite death squads, in addition to killing a lot of innocents, also killed some of the car bomb guys, I am told." Of the dozens of American officers he interviewed, none were declaring success. "[T]o a man, they were enormously frustrated by what they see as the foot-dragging of the Baghdad government." And he points out that violence in Baghdad "is only back down to the 2005 level -- which to my mind is kind of like moving from the eighth circle of hell to the fifth." In 2005, or early 2006, of course, such levels were considered catastrophic.

Robert Parry of Consortium News points out that, while "good news" dominated front pages here, "the darker side" of "success" has "generally been shoved into brief stories deep inside the newspapers." He adds that "the harsh repression surrounding the 'surge' has drawn far less U.S. press attention," even as "Iraq steadily has been transformed into a more efficient police state than dictator Saddam Hussein could have ever imagined."

Jim Lobe of Interpress Service interviewed surge "skeptics" who "argue that the strategy's 'ground-up' approach to pacification -- buying off local insurgent and tribal groups with money and other support -- may have set the stage for a much bigger and more violent civil war or partition, particularly as U.S. forces begin drawing down from their current high of about 175,000 beginning as early as next month."

Michael Schwartz, a Tomdispatch regular on Iraq these last years, takes up this changing post-surge landscape and what exactly it may mean for the Iraqis -- and for us. Tom

Catch 22 in Iraq

Why American Troops Can't Go Home
By Michael Schwartz

Every week or so, the Department of Defense conducts a video-conference press briefing for reporters in Washington, featuring an on-the-ground officer in Iraq. On November 15th, that briefing was with Col. Jeffrey Bannister, commander of the Second Brigade of the Second Infantry Division. He was chosen because of his unit's successful application of surge tactics in three mainly Shia districts in eastern Baghdad. He had, among other things, set up several outposts in these districts offering a 24-hour American military presence; he had also made generous use of transportable concrete walls meant to separate and partition neighborhoods, and had established numerous checkpoints to prevent unauthorized entry or exit from these communities.


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Posted by: Dboy on Dec 5, 2007 12:25 AM   
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No offense, but it's really better for Americans if the US military stays in Iraq. Better their boots on an Iraqi's neck than ours. American troops are not heroes and they are not fighting for us. They are the Thug Class, as Naomi Wolf pointed out. The heroes are all the people who find real, useful, constructive things to do with their lives, instead of trashing foreign countries for a living.

Dboy

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Bush can't afford to have the troops return on his watch.
Posted by: Rune on Dec 5, 2007 12:29 AM   
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For one thing, they would put the lie to his hype about the promising future of Iraq now that he has set it back decades in terms of sheer misery and any promise for peace and prosperity. For another, the troops would tend to vote against the Republicans who have helped keep them in Iraq for ever more, ever longer tours of hell, er, duty. Significant portions of those troops need a great deal of mental, physical, and economic assistance, which will be a major budget burden once they return by the tens of thousands. And, most importantly, the current scheme of buying success for the surge by arming the hell out of rival thugs and paying them to carry out regional, brutal genocide (thus driving one or the other side underground, which results in fewer casualties) would blow up in his face as soon as the U.S. troops take the lid off the awful pressure cooker they are creating.

The plan, of course, is to let it all blow up in the face of the next (Democratic) president, so it looks as if the next prez is the one who mismanaged Iraq, relative to Bush, when it is Bush who is creating misery upon misery everyday that his sadistic ass remains seated in the White House.

There is hell to pay and it is only going to get worse. Time to cut some losses. Impeach Bush and Cheney. NOW!

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Unconscionable
Posted by: vox persona on Dec 5, 2007 12:29 AM   
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There are words for the type of people who evaded combat using privilege when it was their time, but eagerly sent other mothers' sons to die for reasons that simply don't pass the smell test. Sorting through the ever-shifting rationales and retroactive pretexts, the logical and obvious assumption is explained in the acronym Operation Iraqi Liberation. The neocons saw a chance to establish a strategic foothold in an oil rich region, and set up a puppet govt that would thankfully cede their oil rights to the empire that freed them I daresay that a majority there would prefer the iron fist of our former go-to ally in their war with that axis of evil founder Iran, rather than the deadly chaos they confront now. Who'dathunk people would see Saddam's regime as the 'good ol days'? Bush destroyed Mesopotamia, and his reward should be having to live there for five years after his own evil regime expires, outside the green zone.

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» RE: Unconscionable Posted by: Lauren
Bush's Screwy Logic
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 5, 2007 2:42 AM   
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Bush's screwy logic shouldn't come as a surprise. On 9/11 he told us the terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedom and prosperity, so he and Congress set out to curtail our freedoms and prosperity so they won't hate us any more. Needless to say, we have less freedom and less money but we are more hated than ever.

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» RE: Bush's Screwy Logic Posted by: Lauren
Impeach Bush/Cheney
Posted by: packofwolves on Dec 5, 2007 5:44 AM   
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This administration is guilty of war crimes and should be impeached and then tried as the war criminals they are. The mess they have gotten us into in Iraq is so screwed up we might never be able to leave. This whole plan was so screwy from the start but I blame us for allowing it to happen. Many of the folks in the U.S. were in favor of this war, bought into the propaganda of the 9/11 attacks, and bought into the "better get them before they get us" strategy. That's the problem with acting without all the facts or not questioning authority because people in high places can be and often are liars and cheaters, bullies and scumbags. I hope in the future all of us will remember this fiasco and think for ourselves and elect people who are not so entrenched in the status quo. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. I just hope you won't support another war in Iran - that would be a disastrous venture, one that will surely bring about WWIII and the end of the U.S. as we know it.

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» RE: Impeach Bush/Cheney Posted by: Lauren
Impeach Bush/Cheney.....NOW
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Dec 5, 2007 6:32 AM   
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I am with you Pack.
This pair of war criminals have done more to destroy the reputation of the USA than all the drug lords and serial murderers could ever do.

Today would be the very best time to get impeachment started; but even if it was not completed until the 19th of January 2009, it would do very much to restore our respect on the rest of planet Earth.

PEACE
William Greybeard

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Impeach, convict,
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 5, 2007 7:38 AM   
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hang.

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» RE: Impeach, convict, hang! Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Impeach, convict, hang! Posted by: Chloe2005
It's all a scam
Posted by: Rowdy714 on Dec 5, 2007 8:14 AM   
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The Iraqi government doesn't represent the will of the people any more than ours does. Nobody is coming home any time soon, and the Iraqis will live with American tanks on every streetcorner for a very long time. If you think they hate us now, wait twenty years...

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» RE: It's all a scam Posted by: VZEQICVA
usmarks
Posted by: usmarks on Dec 5, 2007 8:29 AM   
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No one can still be in doubt that this war was organized and executed to claim jump the Iraqi oil fields. Reports show the Chinese economy is growing by double digits and the only thing holding it back is a reliable source of oil. Hussein was about to open his oil economy up to the world and base it on the Euro instead of the U.S. dollar. This U.S. administration was examining oil field maps of Iraq in the opening weeks of their first term. I keep flashing back to the final scene of "Three Days of the Condor" when Robertson tells Redford that people won't care how you got the oil when their homes are cold or their cars are stopped. We will occupy Iraq and maybe Iran until the oil reserves are depleted or alternative energy renders them useless. This may explain why the Democrats have backed off ending this phony, illegal war after getting a very clear mandate to end it. It does explain the huge construction efforts in U.S. facilities on Iraqi soil.It might also explain why W. expects to be exonerated by future U. S. historians.

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» RE: usmarks Posted by: Lauren
No statute of limitations on treason
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Dec 5, 2007 9:49 AM   
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I too fervently wish for impeachment. However, all impeachment does is remove the person from office. The founders were very clear in the Constitution, however, that people could be tried for criminal offenses after impeachment.

Guess what? THERE'S NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON EITHER TREASON OR WAR CRIMES!!! Oh, that does my heart good to know, since the spineless ones we've elected clearly will not stand up and impeach the m*f*ers.

But we CAN still get them, even if it takes 30 more years. Remember Pinochet? And Kissinger doesn't dare set foot outside the U.S. anymore.

Bring Bush and Cheney up on treason and war crimes charges, if the spineless dogs won't remove them from office! Hound them for the rest of their lives and give them no peace! I'd prefer prevention of further tragedy, but if they are going to make this mess worse, we still have revenge.

And take it from a Sicilian: revenge is a dish that is still delicious when served cold.

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No statute of limitations on treason
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Dec 5, 2007 9:49 AM   
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I too fervently wish for impeachment. However, all impeachment does is remove the person from office. The founders were very clear in the Constitution, however, that people could be tried for criminal offenses after impeachment.

Guess what? THERE'S NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON EITHER TREASON OR WAR CRIMES!!! Oh, that does my heart good to know, since the spineless ones we've elected clearly will not stand up and impeach the m*f*ers.

But we CAN still get them, even if it takes 30 more years. Remember Pinochet? And Kissinger doesn't dare set foot outside the U.S. anymore.

Bring Bush and Cheney up on treason and war crimes charges, if the spineless dogs won't remove them from office! Hound them for the rest of their lives and give them no peace! I'd prefer prevention of further tragedy, but if they are going to make this mess worse, we still have revenge.

And take it from a Sicilian: revenge is a dish that is still delicious when served cold.

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Apology for double post
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Dec 5, 2007 9:52 AM   
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I have NO idea how it happened. I only pushed post one time. Not trying to spam y'all, folks.

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» RE: Apology for double post Posted by: Lauren
bush's "logic"
Posted by: willymack on Dec 5, 2007 11:42 AM   
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An oxymoron-emphasis on MORON. The simple truth is that bush was caught with his pants down at a press conference where in a rare display of professional journalism, the "decider" was raked over the coals with the fact of Iran's abandonment of their "nookuler" weapons program in 2003(!) and the fact that the White House KNEW THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, yet continued to claim Iran was a nuclear threat to us and the world. I hope this is the beginning of more and better things to come.

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» RE: bush's "logic" Posted by: Lauren
The Situation is Hopeless...The Bush Dementia Syndrome..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Dec 5, 2007 11:50 AM   
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Never before have We The People had less of a voice in our Government..

We have no voice, no say, and our Congress is not much more than window dressing for the ruling corrupt criminal elite..

We will maintain a permanent occupying force in Iraq at least until the prophecy of the Book of Revelation is fulfilled, and there is a great flood which will change the balance of power when the flood gates are opened never to be closed again..

Iraq and an attack upon Iran will be our undoing and downfall and it is already bleeding our economy and ruining it as we have seen such occur to every great empire when it became over extended..


It's as if a mental disorder or sickness has a strangle hold on our nation it's leaders and nearly half of our people...

I call it The Bush Dementia Syndrome..!

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The Military is America's Only Social Welfare System
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 5, 2007 5:24 PM   
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I wanted to point out a major reason why so many Americans do go into the military, many of whom are now in Iraq. The military, especially the Army, are the only real social welfare system the USA has. Many a youngster growing up in poverty or poor conditions has no other option. The option of Wal-Mart or the local 7-11, are not choices that can feed a family or provide them with medical care. College is only a distant dream. The Army now pays, even enlisted soldiers, up to $50,000 or more plus generous sign-up bonuses. This is simply not available in the civilian sector. As for how these soldiers feel about being in Iraq and in this war, thousands of them do not like it at all. They simply do what they have to do to survive the living hell of their deployment and hopefully get out alive. They know this war is making many a contractor rich and that the military objective is to secure an adequate level of security so the oil fields can start pumping again. At least for these soldiers, they realize the truth and can hopefully get out alive. But you always have a few others, who believe in the mission of "bringing freedom and democracy" to the people or improving their lives. Often times, this idealism is later flushed away when in combat children and entire families are killed or senior commanders push them (soldiers) relentlessly just to boost their own (Commanders) claimed successes and his ego. These true believes then are the ones we have to worry about the most for suicide and PTSD. There entire sense of self and identity had been based on a falsehood, the lies of the military, the President and FOX news. Now that sense of self is collapsed and they feel they have nothing left to live for.

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Offensive Soldiers
Posted by: BJT on Dec 5, 2007 5:52 PM   
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I'm sorry folks but the commenter is right -- in a sense. I would rather the brave souls in the military be at home with their families where they belong.

But Naomi Wolf is also right, that our military and our increasingly militarized/federalized police are being trained more and more to perceive you the citizen as the enemy. This is BAD. Don't let the deification of the military lead you away from this very obvious trend. There is no shortage of video on the internet of American soldiers behaving sadistically toward Iraqis. Nor is there a shortage of stories in America of "police" wildly deploying that hand-held electronic torture device, the Taser, on non-violent and sometimes incapacitated individuals.

Make no mistake: a thug caste is being formed, but not necessarily out of our neighbors who happen to be in the military. It is more likely being fashioned out of the foreigners and illegal immigrants being brought into our own military. Tyrants typically use foreigners to oppress their people when the violence comes home, because it's hard to get people to turn on their neighbors.

The previous commenter is absolutely right to be wary of many soldiers currently serving, but I think we still need to treat them like human beings and take them out of that sandy hellhole.

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IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR, people!
Posted by: Pirate1 on Dec 6, 2007 1:39 AM   
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I don't believe any of this stuff about a lessening of violence. 3 more GIs were killed today. There will be more tomorrow. There have been lulls like this before... this is an ELECTION YEAR! Never forget that. These figures are coming from the same LIARS that a week ago were telling us what an imminent threat Iran was and who now are in extreme damage control mode telling us the inteligence report doesn't really say what it says, or some shit... all the time wiping the egg from their faces while they do. These are the same goons who got us into this war in Iraq in the first place with lies and a disgracefully compliant media. WAKE UP! Don't get stiffed again.

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Criminal Negligence and the George Bush Administration: (in 2 parts)
Posted by: brauerdave on Dec 7, 2007 5:37 PM   
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Criminal Negligence is defined as “careless, inattentive, neglectful, willfully blind, or in the case of gross negligence what would have been reckless in any other defendant.” “Negligence means conduct that is culpable because it misses the legal standard required of a reasonable person in protecting individuals against foreseeably risky, harmful acts of other members of society.” (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

It is true that President Bush had congressional authority to attack Iraq. It is also true that the military involved “won” the war with the low number of troops used in the attack. In my opinion it is also true that Iraq did not attack us and that therefore it was a war of choice. It is my opinion that the military was sent to Iraq on a lie (weapons of mass destruction, cherry picking the intelligence estimates to follow, etc,) and without a clear set of goals/objectives the military could achieve.

The US military commenced operations against Iraq (per President George W. Bush’s authorization) on March 19, 2003. A sign displayed on the USS Abraham Lincoln during a televized address by United States President George W. Bush on May 1, 2003 declared that “Mission Accomplished” and the war was won (no more fighting) the US was starting the “occupation” phase (also without achievable military objectives). Between then and the middle of 2007 the level of troop and civilian deaths continued to grow (as did the numbered wounded).

During 2007 the President authorized a “surge” in the level of troops in Iraq – from around 130,000 to about 160,000. During the second half of 2007 the number of deaths and those wounded droped significantly. This all happened after the resignation of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (November 2006) and the changing of the commanding general in Iraq.

In October 2002, General Zini (former Commander of Central Command) in a speech said that to go into Iraq there were certain considerations that the US should heed, including: involve our regional partners (except Israel); understand Iraqi history (the nature of the country and supressed passions), “street issues” (including political, social, and economic), the long term (10 years) potential costs; and provide stability. Plus, during occupation the Iraqis will need an immediate sense of order. At another time he estimated that post war occupation would require 500,000 troops. In Feburary 2003, Brigadier General Steve Hawkins estimated the troop need to be 350,000.

Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under President Ford before accepting that position under President Bush. He had a distinguished career and was respected for his management capability. President Bush was the Govenor of Texas, a member of its Air National Guard, and received an MBA fron Yale. Both men are considered “accomplished” in their lives. Everyone should expect that they would be effective in managing their organizations and ensuring that those implementing their instructions would have the advantage of carefully considered implementation approaches.
While I was watching the invasion (on the TV) I saw Iraqis walking away with “loot” while US troops looked mon. I yelled at the TV, “Stop them! Don’t let them get away with doing that!!!” (and other words I won’t write here). Similar shouts occured when I saw Iraqis with weapons and US troops didn’t stop them and when I saw US troops leave ammunitions caches without destroying them. It was a year or more before I put it together. The low number of US troops in Iraq along with the tactical operation they needed to acomplish did not allow the troops time to start developing a sense of order and stability.

In summary, it is my opinion that: (See my Opinion on Criminal Negligence)Re: Part 2.

Dave B.

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(My Opinion on Criminal Negligence) Re Part 2
Posted by: brauerdave on Dec 7, 2007 5:39 PM   
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President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were careless, inattentive, neglectful, and willfully blind to the consequences of:
Sending in too few troops to win the war in Iraq and develop a sense of continued law and order while maintaining stability. They did this by choice not because we were attacked. Therefore, they miss the legal standard required of a reasonable person in protecting individuals against foreseeably risky, harmful acts of other members of (Iraqi) society.

This opinion is supported by the increase number of troops and civilians killed and injured between 2003 and mid 2007.

This opinion is supported by the information provided by General Zini and Brigadier General Steve Hawkins as to the number of troops required and the other considerations previously identified.

Given the political experience of President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld they should have known better then to allow the situation in Iraq to get out of control, the facts belie their expert decision making, therefore any and all reasonable people should conclude that they were willfully blind to the consequences and are criminally negligent in the prosecution of the war and especially with development of peace during the occupation..


Dave B.

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Why do we care?
Posted by: Schroeder on Dec 7, 2007 7:32 PM   
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Why do we care what the moron in the whitehouse and his administration think we should do about anything? Why continue to print what they think? They are liars who have killed innocent people and are destroying our constitution. If there is not reason to impeach Bush and Cheney, there will never be reason to impeach anyone. And since there is reason to impeach, there can be no excuse for not doing so. Impeach them, get some competent HONEST people in charge, and start cleaning up after them. Maybe the rest of the world will forgive us! I somehow wouldn't think they would be so willing to forgive if we just stand with our hands in our pockets letting the clock run out! IMPEACH NOW!

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It's Not Bush Now
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Dec 8, 2007 4:39 AM   
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Democrats control both houses of congress now. The money to continue the war does not flow unless they vote for it. They have repeatedly vowed to stop the war, then voted to continue it. All the filibusters in the world cannot make any congressperson vote to continue to fund the war, yet that's the excuse the Democrats use over and over.

I will not vote for the war, I will not vote for the Democrats. From now on, it's strictly third party for me.

When November 2008 comes around, remember that a vote for Democrats is a vote to continue the war.

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You are wrong-
Posted by: Ellie1 on Dec 8, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Bush has promised to veto any bill from the Democrats he does not like, and he has currently vetoed almost 60 bills by last count I have heard. It is the REPUBLICANS who are keeping this war going.

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Feeding the Corporate Maw
Posted by: macdon1 on Dec 9, 2007 12:21 AM   
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The whole war in Iraq is a sham. The soldiers think they are fighting for democracy, but the real intent is to make Iraq safe for corporate investment. USA inc. needs a secure holding for its corporate activities in the Middle East. Even better that the holding sits on a lake of oil. After US soldiers bomb Iraq back to the stone age and the War Profiteers make a fortune, the plan is to remake it into a bastion of laissez-fair capitalism. As for the genocide being perpetrated on the people of Iraq...well, that's just collateral damage.

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Seriously, WHY all this talk about impeachment/prison, etc?
Posted by: Dboy on Dec 10, 2007 10:17 PM   
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You gonna turn your buddy in for speeding in a school zone? No. You gonna turn yourself in? No. WHO, exactly, is going to do this impeaching and imprisoning? We all know it ain't gonna happen.

Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Prize! A crazed war-monger WON THE NOBEL PRIZE! ...for working on the peace accords for an extermination campaign he helped design and implement. Catching my drift? Does Operation Arc Light ring a bell? Operation Linebacker? Hello? Is this thing on?


dboy

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