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120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted November 26, 2007.


The military refuses to come clean, insisting the high rates are due to "personal problems," not experience in combat.
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Earlier this year, using the clout that only major broadcast networks seem capable of mustering, CBS News contacted the governments of all 50 states requesting their official records of death by suicide going back 12 years. They heard back from 45 of the 50. From the mountains of gathered information, they sifted out the suicides of those Americans who had served in the armed forces. What they discovered is that in 2005 alone -- and remember, this is just in 45 states -- there were at least 6,256 veteran suicides, 120 every week for a year and an average of 17 every day.

As the widow of a Vietnam vet who killed himself after coming home, and as the author of a book for which I interviewed dozens of other women who had also lost husbands (or sons or fathers) to PTSD and suicide in the aftermath of the war in Vietnam, I am deeply grateful to CBS for undertaking this long overdue investigation. I am also heartbroken that the numbers are so astonishingly high and tentatively optimistic that perhaps now that there are hard numbers to attest to the magnitude of the problem, it will finally be taken seriously. I say tentatively because this is an administration that melts hard numbers on their tongues like communion wafers.

Since these new wars began, and in spite of a continuous flood of alarming reports, the Department of Defense has managed to keep what has clearly become an epidemic of death beneath the radar of public awareness by systematically concealing statistics about soldier suicides. They have done everything from burying them on official casualty lists in a category they call "accidental noncombat deaths" to outright lying to the parents of dead soldiers. And the Department of Veterans Affairs has rubber-stamped their disinformation, continuing to insist that their studies indicate that soldiers are killing themselves, not because of their combat experiences, but because they have "personal problems."

Active-duty soldiers, however, are only part of the story. One of the well-known characteristics of post-traumatic stress injuries is that the onset of symptoms is often delayed, sometimes for decades. Veterans of World War II, Korea and Vietnam are still taking their own lives because new PTSD symptoms have been triggered, or old ones retriggered, by stories and images from these new wars. Their deaths, like the deaths of more recent veterans, are written up in hometown newspapers; they are locally mourned, but officially ignored. The VA doesn't track or count them. It never has. Both the VA and the Pentagon deny that the problem exists and sanctimoniously point to a lack of evidence they have refused to gather.

They have managed this smoke and mirrors trick for decades in large part because suicide makes people so uncomfortable. It has often been called "that most secret death" because no one wants to talk about it. Over time, in different parts of the world, attitudes have fluctuated between the belief that the act is a sin, a right, a crime, a romantic gesture, an act of consummate bravery or a symptom of mental illness. It has never, however, been an emotionally neutral issue. In the United States, the rationalism of our legal system has acknowledged for 300 years that the act is almost always symptomatic of a mental illness. For those same 300 years, organized religions have stubbornly maintained that it's a sin. In fact, the very worst sin. The one that is never forgiven because it's too late to say you're sorry.

The contradiction between religious doctrine and secular law has left suicide in some kind of nether space in which the fundamentals of our systems of justice and belief are disrupted. A terrible crime has been committed, a murder, and yet there can be no restitution, no punishment. As sin or as mental illness, the origins of suicide live in the mind, illusive, invisible, associated with the mysterious, the secretive and the undisciplined, a kind of omnipresent Orange Alert. Beware the abnormal. Beware the Other.

For years now, this administration has been blasting us with high-decibel, righteous posturing about suicide bombers, those subhuman dastards who do the unthinkable, using their own bodies as lethal weapons. "Those people, they aren't like us; they don't value life the way we do," runs the familiar xenophobic subtext: And sometimes the text isn't even sub-: "Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women, and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, in Washington and Pennsylvania," proclaimed W, glibly conflating Sept. 11, the invasion of Iraq, Islam, fanatic fundamentalism and human bombs.

Bush has also expressed the opinion that suicide bombers are motivated by despair, neglect and poverty. The demographic statistics on suicide bombers suggest that this isn't the necessarily the case. Most of the Sept. 11 terrorists came from comfortable middle- to upper-middle-class families and were well-educated. Ironically, despair, neglect and poverty may be far more significant factors in the deaths of American soldiers and veterans who are taking their own lives.

Consider the 25 percent of enlistees and the 50 percent of reservists who have come back from the war with serious mental health issues. Despair seems an entirely appropriate response to the realization that the nightmares and flashbacks may never go away, that your ability to function in society and to manage relationships, work schedules or crowds will never be reliable. How not to despair if your prognosis is: Suck it up, soldier. This may never stop!

Neglect? The VA's current backlog is 800,000 cases. Aside from the appalling conditions in many VA hospitals, in 2004, the last year for which statistics are available, almost 6 million veterans and their families were without any healthcare at all. Most of them are working people -- too poor to afford private coverage, but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or means-tested VA care. Soldiers and veterans need help now, the help isn't there, and the conversations about what needs to be done are only just now beginning.

Poverty? The symptoms of post-traumatic stress injuries or traumatic brain injuries often make getting and keeping a job an insurmountable challenge. The New York Times reported last week that though veterans make up only 11 percent of the adult population, they make up 26 percent of the homeless. If that doesn't translate into despair, neglect and poverty, well, I'm not sure the distinction is one worth quibbling about.

There is a particularly terrible irony in the relationship between suicide bombers and the suicides of American soldiers and veterans. With the possible exception of some few sadists and psychopaths, Americans don't enlist in the military because they want to kill civilians. And they don't sign up with the expectation of killing themselves. How incredibly sad that so many end up dying of remorse for having performed acts that so disturb their sense of moral selfhood that they sentence themselves to death.

There is something so smugly superior in the way we talk about suicide bombers and the cultures that produce them. But here is an unsettling thought. In 2005, 6,256 American veterans took their own lives. That same year, there were about 130 documented deaths of suicide bombers in Iraq.* Do the math. That's a ratio of 50-to-1. So who is it that is most effectively creating a culture of suicide and martyrdom? If George Bush is right, that it is despair, neglect and poverty that drive people to such acts, then isn't it worth pointing out that we are doing a far better job?

*I say "about" because in the aftermath of a suicide bombing, it is often very difficult for observers to determine how many individual bodies have been blown to pieces.

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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006. Her blog is Flashback.

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Suicide is only a cover for the real crime-
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 26, 2007 3:32 AM   
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MURDER at the hands of George W. Bush and the rest of his neocon murderers who started this needless and useless war. They should all be impeached, indited, imprisoned, and executed...slowly and painfully.

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Roger
Posted by: mhregor on Nov 26, 2007 3:50 AM   
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Here is the bit I sent to my mail group just a few minutes ago:

Apropos the last few paragraphs of this piece ... What a nasty terrible horrible unnecessary devastating irony, eh, George ... and Dick ... and Don ... and Paul ... and the rest of you shirt-and-tie desk-bound warriors?...
Oh, yes, did you register the creds of the author Mrs. Coleman?

[Aside to Mrs. C: Your bravery is unmatched. Thank you.]

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Statistics and statistics
Posted by: Abushite on Nov 26, 2007 4:38 AM   
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At 120 per week x 52 = 6249 ????????????????

True many people coming back home will find that that don't fit - and may take their lives --
WHAT an slur on American values, decency and care!

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Suicide as a last resort
Posted by: Basenjis on Nov 26, 2007 4:39 AM   
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Having lived off and on with a son suffering from the debilitating effects of PTSD since the Vietnam War, I can tell you from personnal experience that the suffering caused by traumatic war experiences extends well beyond the soldier himself to family and friends also. The suicide that too often follows the depression and guilt of PTSD is the last resort of many of these victims of our senseless wars. Familes have to live with the memories, always wondering what more they could have done to prevent such a tragic outcome.

At 56, my son's life is destroyed. Between broken marriages, estrangement from his children, broken friendships, broken promises, numerous job failures , bouts of severe depression and periods of homelessness, he comes home. He has shown up on my doorstep so many times that I have lost count. I do what I can.

Since his last heart attack 1 1/2 years ago, he has been with me continuously while being treated for numerous health and emotional issues while petitioning for the health benefits denied him years ago after being diagnosed by VA health professionals with PTSD.Exposure to agent orange is suspected of having contributed to numerous health issues. Now widowed and in my 80's, my hope is to see him compensated and living independently before my life is over.

I can well believe the shockingly high rate of suicides among war-haunted veterans as well as of those caught up in the present senseless orgy of slaughter and destruction. AS a WWII widow I know the difference between a war of necessity and a war of choice. They are definitely not the same nor are their effects on the survivors the same.

If there are those who find the horrors of war so intolerable that they are driven to take their own lives, the least we can do as a nation is to open our hearts and to insist our government provide all veterans with the medical and financial assistance they are promised.

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A breakdown of social values
Posted by: Democritus on Nov 26, 2007 5:23 AM   
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The philosopher and sociologist Edward Westermarck classified types of suicides, within which he listed "anomic suicides," or those that signified a breakdown of social norms and values. The shockingly high suicide rates for veterans argues for categorizing their suicides under this rubric.

Being involved in a war, and being responsible for killing other people, clashes with our dominant social value of saving and protecting human life. It is no wonder that veterans find it difficult to adjust to civilian life after having their value systems turned upside down to fight in a war.

It is shameful enough for those who have never served on active military duty to send young men and women to fight in wars of convenience, such as the one Bush and Cheney waged to control Iraqi oil; but it is even more shameful not to provide for their medical and psychological needs once they are returned to civilian life. Congress must insist that the Defense Department and the Department of Veterans Affairs take responsibility for causing this breakdown in values and to provide access to medical care without a means test for all veterans who have served in combat. Otherwise, there will be more anomic suicides-- and a larger stain on our national pride.

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Uncounted Deaths
Posted by: corgyn on Nov 26, 2007 5:31 AM   
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This article refers to the easily defined as suicide deaths. Another large group is the returnee's deaths through risky behavior. The number of deaths on motorcycles of soldiers has also increased, auto deaths near bases are up too.If not a clear suicide, then indirect.

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Would be even more convincing if use of statistics was logically correct
Posted by: guanyin on Nov 26, 2007 5:47 AM   
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I agree with the sentiment & general thesis of this moving article. But wouldn't it be much more convincing and valid to use - (1) only the EXCESS number of veteran suicides (the # above what would be statistically expected from their %age representation in the population as a whole) - & - (2) only the # of such veterans who served in combat in deployments associated with the 'war on terror'. (3) One should also not lump together incidents due to PTSD-type intrapsychic conflicts due to killing innocents with those due to other causes and then imply they were all due to the former cause. I am not in any way minimizing the horror of Bush Era foreign and military policy or saying that even a SINGLE excess veteran suicide is acceptable - but let's be consistent and honest in our use of numbers and statistics to maintain our credibility and the moral high ground ourselves!

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Not just suicide
Posted by: frantaylor on Nov 26, 2007 6:02 AM   
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My father was in WWII. He was a very bitter, depressed person. He had a pathological hatred for everything Japanese. His death was not recorded as a suicide, but it might just as well have been; he smoked and drank so much that it was only a question of which would kill him first. All this from what was a "just" war. I can only begin to imagine how bitter the returning soldiers are from this farce in Iraq.

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just myself
Posted by: sommeyah on Nov 26, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Have there been any dialogues between Iraq Vet / survivor-families and 911 plane crash victim families? To compare personal vitae of suiciders, diverts, once again, from the truth from which all of these terrors began: White House orchestrated the destruction of the WTC's (x3) on 9-11-01. From what I have read, it seems that all of the victims families seek justice for the destruction of the building, in which their beloved spent their final moments in this realm...In other words, I have not seen / heard real conversations between plane crash families,to allow us to believe that suicide bombers killed innocents in the planes--we know, for a fact that the buildings were demolished professionally. Let this nation come to terms with that reality. Apply GB facts about terrorists to the entirety of his own gang....Then the other realities--ie: healthcare for first resonders / Iraq Vets, etc...will swiftly manifest.

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I am a vietnam veteran
Posted by: DanielleClarke on Nov 26, 2007 6:20 AM   
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Ever since i got out in august 1974 i have had a tough time finding stable work. The only real job i had was the C.E.T.A. job = comprehensive employment training act.
i was given in N. Calif working for parks and recreation and then solid waste, where in 1975 in redway Calif I started a recycling center as i picked through trash to separate bottles and cans.

Since being a UCMC soldier i found that i am the kind of person, who wants to serve others. Its ingrained in me. Many call me nuts. I don't know how to work so called regular jobs. I have been a volunteer off and on ever since. I was fortunate in one way moving to Garberville calif where we had many pot growers. that gave me something to smoke to allow myself the ability to hide from my past. I was also told never to mention my service because people would hate me. I kept quiet until this past year. Along the last 33 years i had many stops in VA hospitals. Many times i had cut my wrist. I have scars all over my left arm. I over dosed on tylenol and had my stomach pumped and hung myself and became a cocaine user and over-dosed many times in the 80's. I was told in 1999 i had HEP-C from the injections to prevent it in boot camp. I prepared to die and began to drink hard again, only to find out i was one of the so called lucky ones who was actually immune to it. Why am i still alive in beyond me. I cut my wrist many times just to get a bed at the VA. However, some VA hospitals did offer me food to eat. Finally in 2004 i was sent a check after i got out. My only friends are those who have died.
Today i volunteer my time for the Obama campaign. I sleep on an 84 yr old womans couch and cook for her to get food. I am her friend and she appreciates me. The very old seem to understand and well they do need help. I have done this since 2004, when i went back to N. calif again to find hope or pot to hide from my past. Today i am in Phila pa suburbs helping another woman.

I am just one and i could go on and on and tell you about how when i got my check i bought a RV to live in but gas got too high so i gave it away. Along the way i picked up hundreds of vets along the roads and highways and i fed them.

You people need to understand soldiers like my Dad a deceased 2nd WW vet who was the second wave at normandy don't have the ability to fit in to so called normal life. Yes there are a few and some of them get involved in politics and try to help others.

What we need is a place a farm a home where we can work together and then reach out to others from a place of safety.

I have heard recently about a farm that is in the works. I pray that it becomes a reality.

Finally i will say i know how our soldiers feel to be in a war we should have never been in!

Danielle Clarke USMC volunteered disharged honorably august 74 mos 6075

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montal
Posted by: montal on Nov 26, 2007 6:19 AM   
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I to am a Marine vietnam vet and have lost several friends through the years by this suicide thing. Some of us don't have the balls to pull that "infamous" trigger and go through a much slower death. Drugs and alcohol! ! ! I can honestly say that I alone,(dam, i guess is this really where i'm at? is this about me? dam) have lost close to 15 dear friends through drugs, alcohol, guns, automobile(off cliff's) god dammit. I'll leave u all with my best friend Bill's last words, quote~~ "adios' mutha fucka" i am sorry to be so crude but dam,, sometimes it just hurts way to much. this is an excellant article but she said things we already knew. Fuck Bush and his AWOL pink fucking ass....

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Terrytom
Posted by: terryton on Nov 26, 2007 6:39 AM   
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Oh my God! When I first saw the headline I thought this must be a typo. A zero must have been added. As I began to read and understood the documentation I had tears in my eyes. I still do.
I have never been for war in my adult life. I protested the Vietnam War. I understood at once it was bull shit and every one we have been in since got worse. The current outright criminal travesty is the worst. My hope is that we impeach, try and remove from office the sociopath criminals responsible. We then try them for war crimes. It is my dream that every soldier see this war for what it truly is and refuse to partake in theses crimes. It is their right to do so. Now all that said we absolutely must take of our soldiers. Human decency demands it. Human decency is unknown to the present administration and most members of congress I am sad to say.
This report blows my mind. I have not done enough to make this stop. This report should be on every front page in America and the reason it is not proves we are a militaristic Fascist nation.
We really should support our troops and not just put some bullshit ribbon decal on our cars to salve a conscience. I am outraged, heart broken and ashamed.
God forgive America.

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some potential help
Posted by: DanielleClarke on Nov 26, 2007 6:52 AM   
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What we need is a place a farm a home where we can work together and then reach out to others from a place of safety. http://www.farmsnotarms.org/

I have heard recently about a farm that is in the works. I pray that it becomes a reality. http://www.veteransvillage.org/contactus.html

http://www.nchv.org/women.cfm

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Suicide From the Moral Destruction of An Illegal War
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 26, 2007 6:55 AM   
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We cannot get away from noting the nature of the current conflict the USA is involved in. This is not a defensive war (Iraq) done for self-defense or any just cause. It is a war of conquest, designed to hold and control territory under a puppet government. It is designed to control the oil fields and make rich a few corporations. These troops are not helping people or restoring democracy. That is just the spin and the PR for the gullible back home. So, finally, when this war of conquest goes bad, and American soldiers end up killing women, children, babies, and whoever is in the way, when they are ordered to do this to pacify the population and to torture prisoners, as is going on now in Iraq, they come back morally destroyed. Suicide then is just the outcome of moral destruction. The answer is not counseling, but we should give it if we can. The answer is not to engage in these wars in the first place.

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Suicide Tragedy
Posted by: Kuressaare on Nov 26, 2007 6:57 AM   
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My sincere and utter sympathy for those suffering, vets and family. I have known of some too, and Canada's top general in the peacekeeping in Rwanda tried himself to kill himself unable to live with the images of that genocide that won't go away. I would like to add too that this outfall is far greater than only that, since some of us, (me) must live every day with the Armenian massacres of 1915 and onward in our hearts, it just won't stop. Now I have just read a book on the wartime pope with the the most damning evidence, and from that, falling right into my memories of Srebrenica. These crushing blows to a person's sanity are enough to bring on the worst. I did almost do it once, but I did not even know what I was doing. I only amazed a very senior doctor that I did not bleed to death, I was despondent, I said, that I might be suicidal did not occur to me because I did not care what might ensue. This is just a premonitory comment, the blight on our minds is far wider than maybe is supposed. Kuressaare

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Sadly, I remember...
Posted by: Jammer2 on Nov 26, 2007 7:07 AM   
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I remember how desperate the situation became after Desert Storm ended. The private psychiatric hospital where I was doing my counseling internship was inundated with returning vets from all branches of the service. Most of these young men and women were not from the front line combat areas, but were part of the war machine conglomerate that is required for conducting a large scale military campaign. War does unspeakable damage to the human soul, not only to the unfortunate few who are forced to kill their fellow man, but also to the troops who supply those combat units with the means to do their "job". These men and women have personally witnessed the horror of war by having to return their dead, dying, and broken comrades in arms to their families back home in the states. These are truly brave souls coming home from the Middle-East now, and they need our help, now more than ever, to re-establish themselves back in the world. But these immoral Republican fascists are eliminating the funding required to provide mental health services necessary to help these young heroes re-adjust to this life. George Bush treats his pets with more dignity than he does our returning soldiers, and his conduct is as disgraceful as any president has exhibited in the history of our country.

I am thoroughly disgusted with every one of those treasonous SOB's in the White House and on Capital Hill. I get despondent listening to Democrats with their monotonous lip service expounding on ending this abomination of a war, because they are always without action. I am horrified as the psychopaths in the White House expand their campaign of disinformation in an effort to garner public support for their unrelenting aggression in the Middle-East. The true rationale behind their political maneuvering to permanently occupy those countries is quite simple; they haven’t stolen all the wealth still available in this world… YET! After King George II invades Iran and has seized the assets of that country, who will be his next target? Mentally ill tyrants consider any country with wealth a potential target, especially countries where the general population is physically vulnerable to attack.

The most despicable villains sanctioning this war for profit are the shadow leadership of the Evangelical Christian Right. This so-called "religious movement" has deceived huge numbers of people into joining their cause by preying on their fears and assuring them a safe afterlife. What Americans have failed to recognize is that the leaders of this politically active "evangelical movement" are merely a group of extremely wealthy charlatans, a splinter group operating strictly for profit under the guise of religion. They represent all that is anti-Christian and promote all that has been poisoning the people of this world for centuries. The followers of this "mock religion" continue to support the war because of their deluded need to appease their leadership, coupled with their twisted desire to experience Armageddon and their knowledge that they have secured their salvation. Well, I sincerely hope that these supporters of the hand-waving religious fanatics get their wish at the expense of their own children's lives. Their counterfeit religion disgusts me even more than those amoral, greedy pit-vipers in Washington. This war must be ended and our returning veterans welcomed home with every aspect of their tragic experience addressed, utilizing all the resources that America has to offer.

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Hi idiots! Don'cha just love statistical surveys?
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 26, 2007 7:10 AM   
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Keep this in mind bone heads; I am a Nam Era Veteran in from Dec. 65 - Nov. '68, and to demonstrate that you vapid anal sphincters don't scare me anymore RA16843335.

Stats. are a funny thing, they show the Roach Symptom. For every one you see you can multiply by a factor of 10 (ten) to 100 (One hundred} damn it to hell it is not the fornicating numbers, but the fact that their are ANY.

Angry? You bet your Royal Bloody Ass! Bitter? Hey dummies I came by this head of steam HONESTLY! These kids go out and die on a daily basis because they buy the pabulum that your Warmongering Political Hacks and Money stealing Haliburton rip off from you, WITH YOUR PERMISSION & BLESSING I MAY ADD!

NONE of this excrement means any thing to you for real, you carry on as always and let Joe do it! You want the war to stop? For Real? Imprison your Warmongers and Haliburtons! Stop buying their damned weapons MAKE YOUR OWN!

In 1799 the American people made a stupid and unforgivable error, they empowered their future undoing: THE ATF! Many of the families came here came all this way just to prevent falling into repressive governance. Then in a fit of total mindless stupidity disarmed themselves, and believe it or not; threw in with their newly elected OPRESSOR!

Haven’t you people learned anything at all from your history? I got straight F’s in history myself. I think now that it was because I had a Republican for a teacher and a Democrat for an advisor! Both of them were sexually repressed and should have been set to grinding wheat! Call me wrong, but do your damned homework FIRST!

Monsters! That’s what we all are! Monsters, that will kill our young, wage war out of drunken stupidity, and kill the ones who know better as quickly as we can. We are no different than the Romans! The Romans will have lasted longer than us because they didn’t have access to Nuclear weapons!

Every day I have to listen to some gibbering twit tell me: “The Iraqis started this war!” What is worse is that the twit believes it because some white house News Shill has told him this Gospel, Oh while I am ranting! Sean Hannity you scum sucking pig. I am 61 years old but I can kick your ass all over the Boxing ring at the University Of Washington Hub any time your foul mouthed ass wants to jump in the ring with me! I don’t care if it is pointless; I just want the satisfaction of watching you run.

Sorry, to the rest of you folk, but I didn’t like bullies when I was a kid and now I are one, at least to inhuman monsters like that piece of God offal!

Finally, I lift a hat to James Ahearn, Johnny Weiss, Dave LaFleur, Tom Wilkins, Jim Simhauser, Johnny C. and Teddy Randle. All of whom were either killed in the line of duty or by their own hand. I am not going to add to this list ones I didn’t know personally. But statistically I think I make my point! Now pull heads out of anal sphincters and do the right thing. See Praying hands here! FOR A CHANGE!?

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A Vietnam Era Vet
Posted by: wgriff3245 on Nov 26, 2007 7:13 AM   
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It is about time someone actually exposed the truth. As a Vietnam Era Vet, who served with the USAF in NKP, Thailand from 1973 - 74, I have informed my son and his friends that if they value their lives and hope for a long and productive life, then they should never serve in the US military. In 1975, when I took my discharge physical, I was given a clean bill of health and told that I was in perfect health. Now I realize that physical was a total lie. They knew at the time that I, like so many of the other vets was exposed to one of the most toxic chemicals known to man. The disgusting part is that it was our own military, in conjunction with the largest chemical companies set out to cover up the fact that they had literally murdered millions of the brave men and women who served this country during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange should never have been used. It was used, and the US military and the VA have been working so diligently to cover up the truth in order to protect themselves and their corporate sponsors from liability. Now that I know the truth that lies behind the use of Agent Orange, I can no longer stand and salute the flag or pledge allegiance to such a murderous nation. The suicide rate of the Vietnam Vets has been known for a long time and been covered up from the very beginning. It is a travesty, which continues and nothing will be done about it. After suffering for the past 10 years, my life has been stolen from me and now I honestly believe that not every person in this country is worth fighting for. As far as I am concerned America and the lying US Government can go straight to hell.

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otto
Posted by: otto on Nov 26, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Thanks to Penny for helping us all become more aware of this often unseen tragedy and extra expense of any war, and especially this illegal Bush-led war for profit.

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Astonishing and heartbreaking
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 26, 2007 7:38 AM   
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Astonishing and heartbreaking to read this. Even more tragic considering that these young people chose to enlist in the military trusting their government would keep them safe and support them before, during,and after service. Let these devastating statistics be a warning to all others considering enlistment. Sympathies to all families and friends. I had a suicide in my immediate family years back. The pain fades but it never goes away.

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Rep Patrick Murphy -Only Iraq War Vet in Congress
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 26, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Patrick Murphy is my young new congressman (PA-8th). He is ONLY Iraq war vet in 110th Congress.

This unique credential renders him qualified to be a political force in Veterans issues

I feed him stories like this but others may wish to contact him.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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Suicides!
Posted by: kclaf on Nov 26, 2007 8:19 AM   
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These deaths are so unnecessary and so very sad. Thanks Bush and your of your lapdog 'followers'. This article brings to mind how my own brother's death can be attributed to being a career service person, and a Nam vet. His whole being changed on this return from there. I say that he killed himself on the installment plan, that is: he drank himself to death, literally. He would spend his days at the VFW, drink and play cards. He lost his love of life after witnessing the horrors of that war. He would not be listed as a suicide, as many, many who killed themselves with drugs and alcohol will not be listed as suicides. His government never even showed up for his funeral, after he had served it for over 20 yrs.

Now, when I talked with my grandson a few days before he was deployed to Iraq, his comment was 'Bush is a jerk'. Since he was talking with his Grandmom, I'm sure he censored his language! He said a lot of other things as well, they were not flattering of Bush, but he also felt very responsible for his buddies who were being deployed as well. I guess this is way the military works on the minds of it's members.

My opinion of the military, especially in today's world, is not a good one, it lost what it was supposed to stand for many years ago. Lost it to greed and power and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. No wonder there is such a sad increase in suicides, and those are only the ones that can be measured statiscally.

I shudder when I hear the talking heads in the media so concerned about the bottom line of corporations this holiday season, maybe they should listing all of the ways in which we can give assistance to those in need, rather than filling the coffers of the greedy corporations.

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Blood on their hands...
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 26, 2007 8:35 AM   
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I hope Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gates, Wolfowitz, et al., can't sleep knowing the blood of these suicide victims and all the innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians are on their hands. I hope they hear the screams of these lost souls. I hope that they know this is due to their arrogance and stupidity. I wonder how they can look at themselves in the mirror.

War is a crime against humanity. Will these people ever have to pay for their crimes? How many more will have to die in their name? And yet they say they support the troops! What a lie!

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What Happens After Discharge: "The 'Beast' Years of Our Lives"?
Posted by: PerryBrass on Nov 26, 2007 8:36 AM   
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The terrible sad thing is that what happens to most vets after discharge is so disturbing that often it makes their own service sacrifices into a farce: they are discharged into a hyper-competitive, aggressively selfish world where everything that the service once stood for for them is meaningless, and so are their lives. War has become part of the American economic machinery, but those who wage it are soon flushed right out of that machinery. What are they going to do, and where are they going to go? Find social equality, connection, and opportunity through Walmart? Our lives have become more and more isolating and alienating: most people have virtually lost the ability to talk to anyone, let alone understand the private hell these men and women are going through.
Also, another "meaningless" stat: the number of suicides among young people has risen hugely in the past 5 years, too. Our culture has not hit the "lowest common denominator." I've known that for years; it's now at the bottom of the bell curve—it has become cheaper and cheaper, and we're all paying for this.

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TROUBLED TO BEGIN WITH ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 26, 2007 8:39 AM   
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That may be true, but you can't beat prolonged combat for bringing out the side of a person that no one realized was there. Odd that a generation raised with so much violence on a daily basis, in reality has a very low threshold for the real thing. War over the ages hasn't changed much, but people have. We just haven't learned yet. I hope that's next. Thanks, ANNA

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Badger2
Posted by: Badger2 on Nov 26, 2007 9:09 AM   
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This country honors their soldiers in name only.One would think soldiers would be the honored equivalents of our sports heroes, since soldiers have given so much and at such a cost to themselves and their families.
Part of my concern is to keep my teenage students from ever getting into the hands of the military. In the area that I live in, with few job opportunities, but lots of violent movies and videos, the military looks very good to some teenagers.

Quakers are promoting honest recruiting, at the very least. The details can be found at QuakerHouse.org. Also a G I Rights Hotline at
919 663-7122

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Curious
Posted by: Axiom69 on Nov 26, 2007 9:20 AM   
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120 Veteran suicides every week is an appalling number. I was curious about how much higher this number is compared to the general population. This is what I found:

There are currently 24.5 million veterans in the US. 1.7 million which are women. (Census: Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)

More than 32,000 suicides occurred in the U.S. This is the equivalent of 89 suicides per day; one suicide every 16 minutes or 11.05 suicides per 100,000 population (CDC 2005).

If my math is correct then there are 25.5 suicides per 100,000 veterans compared to 11.05 of the general population. Being Veterans are predominantly male I'm sure the numbers would be slightly closer to a predominantly male sampling of the general population.
I guess all I proved to myself is that suicide while higher among veterans is a problem nonetheless among ordinary citizens as well. How sad.
(Disclaimer: Check my numbers because math was never my strongest subject)

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hayorge95
Posted by: hayorge95 on Nov 26, 2007 9:31 AM   
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What we are seeing is the result of our buying into the military industrial complex that President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about. As well, the ability of corporations to both count as a person legally and their ability to contribute to campaigns, then hire ex-congressmen and their aids for 6, 7 figure salaries once they have gotten the contracts they want. We live in a country where it is legal to bribe, as long as you have the money and political clout, and that's the way it is until it is replaced. I was in the army, and got out with a general discharge because I knew I would end up in Iraq and possibly kill innocents. Failure to adapt to army life - that's the article that any soldier who needs to get out must insist on, I forget whether it's an Article 13 or 15 (the other one is for being a homosexual). I would've said I was gay if I hadn't found out about the failure to adapt article. I was going to kill myself otherwise. It was a general discharge, not dishonorable or less than honorable, and it is like I was never there. NO benefits are allowed if one is to take this route, but if you feel like you or your son/daughter is being used as a mercenary for a corrupt government(s), then this might be one's only way out. I did this in 1995, after Gulf War I, and know at least 25 people who have left the service the same way as I as soon as they found out about this possibility. Don't be the toadie of a bully who's never even fought, who's daddy paid for him to avoid the draft, who is rumored to be a cocaine addict to this day. Is this what our country has come to? Something's not right, we have the worst health care of any industrialized nation, yet we proclaim to be the best, and we especially devalue our veterans and kick them to the curb, just like an HMO would. Is our government an HMO? Yes, one run by crooks who care not for the future of humanity, only personal gain. Quit taking it bending over, stand up and be counted, make a stand and stick to it. Choose not to be ignorant. I know it's easier to be selectively ignorant, but it's not right, and anyone who has developed into a caring adult will know this. Elect caring adults and take care of our own.

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This Sucks...
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 26, 2007 9:44 AM   
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The Bush Administration and their immoral economic and social agenda is a large part of why these Troops are pushed over the edge..!

They come home to disaster within their families and losing their homes jobs in debt with no way out also all this thanks to our scum bag congress which has allowed all this predatory lending and no usery laws which is completely immoral also our media is covering this up as they are at this point as criminal and immoral as this Administration..!

Have you heard my Senator Hillary mention our troops and their well being recently no..?

No shit..!


Our political leaders suck a bunch of sold bought and sold scum bags..!


Simple as that..!

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War Resisters Canada: Too bad Americans didn't CARE about our struggle
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 26, 2007 10:04 AM   
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we tried to help you.

we'll KEEP ON trying to help you.

too bad you don't give a damn about us or our struggle to help you.

We asked for help & nobody CARED because its CANADA.
LET THEM STAY!!!

U.S. War Resisters need a provision from the Canadian government in order to stay in Canada
are you gonna BOTHER writing Canada's parliament? YES, I mean YOU, Americans.
yeah, pick up a keyboard or pen & EXPLAIN how many Americans don't think Bush's Economic Extortion of resource-bearing nations is acceptable. How AMERICANS don't believe that Canada should be forced to push War Resisters BACK to the US if they stand up & say NO to Bush's Occupation.

you gonna help?

probably not, because anything that happens north of 49th isn't precious American territory... or YET. Give Bush more time with the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, I suppose.

CANADIANS & PROGRESSIVE AMERICANS COULD HELP THOSE VETS & PREVENT MORE OF THEM... if YOU CARED ENOUGH.

URGENT ACTION APPEAL:
Canada must enact a provision that would allow U.S. war resisters who refuse to participate in the illegal war on Iraq to stay in this country. Write to Prime Minister Stephen Harper to let him know that you support such a provision – click onto the take action page for details.
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The War Resisters Support Campaign is a broad-based coalition of community, faith, labour and other organizations and individuals that have come together to support U.S. soldiers seeking asylum in Canada because they refuse to fight in the illegal war in Iraq.

The Campaign works on two fronts:
1. we support the material needs of war resisters when they arrive in Canada; and

2. we campaign to persuade the Canadian government to provide sanctuary for U.S. war resisters.


soooo... gonna help? or what??



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ONE LOST, IS TOO MANY
Posted by: Abe on Nov 26, 2007 10:09 AM   
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ONE LOST, IS TOO MANY

One hundred twenty Vets a week
That's more than seventeen per day
Who couldn't handle things they saw
Or the price, they were asked to pay.

Wounds of War don't always show
And feelings are not always spoken
Sometimes the others cannot see
When will, heart, and soul are broken.

It's finally becoming very clear
That, most who go through that hell
Will damage something deep inside
And might never get completely well.

It may change the way they view life
For some, it may make it dearer
For some the pain and suffering
Show man's cruelty, much clearer.

We should have some more programs
To find when help might be needed
A means to spot those warning signs
Which so very often go, unheeded.

We need to care for our Veterans
Maybe more, when they come back
Not just throw them back into the mix
Hope they'll get right back, on track.

We owe them so much more than that
For, they have paid the greater cost
We can't let them take their own life
When they might think, that all is lost.

We don't like to talk about suicide
But, we must face the sad, reality
We are losing far too many Heroes
Who fought the fight, for you and me.

Del “Abe” Jones
11.26.2007

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Scratching the surface.
Posted by: synapse on Nov 26, 2007 10:24 AM   
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The toll of this war on body, mind, and country is more horrendous than most people can imagine. We are facing the prospect of a "lost generation", maybe several.

A close friend and colleague, a physician, recently told me that in one week he wrote letters for two soldiers under his care that said in his professional opinion they were not fit for duty. Both of these soldiers had been ordered to return to Iraq despite the fact that they were known to be suffering from critical health care problems. The first one had lost a limb and was granted permission for a medical discharge. The second had severe and debilitating PTSD such that he posed a threat to himself and his fellow soldiers. The reply from the commander in Iraq stated that he was refusing to allow a medical discharge because if he allowed discharges for PTSD then he would not have any more soldiers under his command. He also added that if this soldier's PTSD posed a threat then it would be "taken care of" in Iraq. Very chilling and revealing of the prisoner status American soldiers find themselves in.

Time to bring the troops home now. No more excuses, no more stalling.

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If the overall suicide rate is 2,700/mo. and the Vet's rate is 500/mo. vets are 25% of all suicides
Posted by: yellow on Nov 26, 2007 12:26 PM   
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One in four suicides being a veteran of a foreign war makes some logical sense especially when one considers that, aside from general mental illness, failure to adjust of cope with a severe trauma is usually a major cause of suicide. The VA funding needs to be increased to help cope with this issue. More psychiatric treatment is required. Of course, it is hard to expect that from the Bush Administration. Such costs should, by all rights, be considered part of the costs of conducting the war. Unfortunately, it never is and the war vets will suffer enormously for it.

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unreported injuries of Iraq vets
Posted by: launcher on Nov 26, 2007 12:58 PM   
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This article comes right in the wake of another big scandal: the unreported brain injuries of at least 20000 Iraq and Afghanistan combat veterans.

link here

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JUST A THOUGHT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 26, 2007 1:37 PM   
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Are there any suicide statistics for the BlackWater 'in it for the money' crowd. It would be an interesting comparison. ANNA

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killing goes against the grain of being human
Posted by: unity1 on Nov 26, 2007 2:02 PM   
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wars, and their inevitable death and destruction go against the grain of being human - that this culture still perpetrates the alpha male's macho myth of the warrior enables young men and women to forget that killing cuts into ones soul, one has to turn something off, deny, suppress it in order to cope on a battlefield

it should be no surprise to anyone that the stats on Veteran suicide is so high - its just another consequence of the war even though it is denied at the highest level.

That denial has to exist - the truth of war itself has to be suppressed least it reveal the terrible human cost and yet - this culture - especial the US culture of guns - has not learnt this so very simple of truths regarding ones humanity - which is why they can continue to send young men and women - your future children to fight in their immoral and illegal invasions

when more people begin to wake up to this - then and only then perhaps will few consider killing in the name of some bogus ideal

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driving past a warehouse of victims in Long Beach, California when a young mother
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 26, 2007 3:03 PM   
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in the early 1960's. I guess that windows wouldn't have been much use to a lot of the living dead. Still, those driving by might have considered the "lives" of those inside.

Those who die in warfare, deprived as they indeed are, of the life that they could have lived, are probably better off than so many who survive.

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Statistical Assessment
Posted by: sixshooter on Nov 26, 2007 7:38 PM   
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My kneejerk reaction is to be horrified by this report. However, I decided to do a little math that was not reported by the author. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Given the author's assertion that 11% of Americans are veterans, and given the US Census projection of an American population at 303,463,155 (when I checked it), that gives us approximately 33,380,947 veterans. Of those, 6,256 committed suicide, or one in 5,336.

The rate of suicide in the US (according to the WHO) as of 2002 was 11 per 100,000. Reducing the above data gives us a veteran rate of suicide of 15.9 per 100,000, a startling 40% above the average. However, considering the vast majority of veterans are male, a more meaningful statistic is to weigh it against the statistic of male suicides in the US, which is 17.9 per 100,000. We see that the rate of veteran suicides is actually less than that of males. Given the percentage of female suicides, it could be theorized that the rates are equal for veterans and non-veterans.

I understand that I didn't separate wartime and non-wartime veterans, so that could be a problem with this statistic. But I still think this data needs to be considered before one draws a conclusion.

In any case, I have absolutely no doubt that PTSD is a horrible, crippling illness. I have dealt with it myself. And given the number of debilitating, life-shattering injuries that many soldiers have suffered, a suicide rate could be expected to be higher among injured veterans. I would be interested in that analysis. Anyone else?

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Are we to blame?
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Nov 26, 2007 7:53 PM   
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Are we to blame for not rising up and throwing these crooks out of government?

I mean, by sitting back doing nothing I feel complicit in the deaths of our soldiers.

Protesting doesn't work, Mad-men only understand brute force...

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They are all vitims of war
Posted by: tonyf69 on Nov 27, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Although I disagree with these wars I strongly sympathize with the relatives of the returning combatants (Mercenaries included). Their friends and family are innocent but can suffer just as much by losing a loved one and by the fact that they took their own life rather than dying a 'hero' on the battlefield!

I lived and worked in a 'war zone' for 23 years. My 'unit' had about 3000 members at any one time.
During that time I lost 32 friends killed by the 'enemy', but, between 60-70 people I knew committed suicide and about 200 died of alcohol related illnesses or 'accidents'! War kills in many different ways and not all deaths occur on the battlefield. These people are victims just the same as if they had been 'KIA'.

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Overcoming the revulsion to killing and its consequences
Posted by: socrates2 on Nov 27, 2007 8:29 AM   
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Back in 1996, Lt. Col. Dave GRossman wrote what has become a minor classic in the field, _On Killing_. There is even a term for his study, "killology."
Grossman studied the impact of teaching humans to overcome their natural revulsion to killing and its devastating aftermath on the "trainee."
Yes, Post traumatic stress disorder.
At this point in history it should come as no surprise to anyone why men (and women) trained to be soldiers, to "kill the enemy" and who actually kill and/or witness the consequences of their "training," return home psychology devastated, depresssed and suicidal.
All young men and women considering the armed services, specificaly where they will be killing and dying first-hand, should get their hands on this book.
You are forewarned.

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minor correction to last post
Posted by: socrates2 on Nov 27, 2007 6:58 PM   
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Return home _psychologically_ devastated, etc.

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I have visited Vet hospitals with my father, a ww2 vet.
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 28, 2007 7:20 AM   
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and I am now seeing vets from this assinine debacle in Iraq. They seem to be more psycholgically damaged and unable to cope with life. It would break your heart to see these young men, their psychological torment is obvious.

Bush and Cheney and the neocons are MURDERERS. They deserve slow, painful deaths.

And Anna, I don't think you are a troll, don't go away.

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To all the Veterans on this thread
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 28, 2007 9:30 AM   
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I was out in the streets protesting Vietnam. Only disability prevents me from doing the same now. My fight then, as now, was not against you but the government and the unjust war.

Thank you and welcome home.

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Not just the war
Posted by: mimi76 on Nov 29, 2007 2:44 AM   
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It's probably not just the war that is causing the suicides. It could have more to do with the fact that many young men and women feel that, economically and socially, they have no other option other than to join the military. I am a part of that class too - educationally we're never going to be competitive even if we are bright and I suspect it's the intelligent but poor kids that decide life isn't worth living.

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war is hell and Dept of Defense is Hell disguised
Posted by: whealeydj on Dec 1, 2007 4:28 PM   
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and we Americans need to treat combat veterans better in terms of treating for the stress of serving in a combat zone. Many veterans are not combat veterans and they get lifetime privileges for their veteran status so it is a risk people take when they volunteer.

Militarism is the problem we had fewer wars when we were it was a Department of War. now Defense includes troops in 140 countries or so I read

I think if we brought back the draft we might get involved in fewer military adventures overseas. However unless we all vote for Kucinich and his Department of Peace I don't think much will change if an interventionist Democrat replaces a interventionist Rpublican.

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I don't know what to say...
Posted by: Jnutter on Dec 2, 2007 1:55 PM   
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...other than that number really hurts.

These men and women deserve to be treated as royalty when they return (and when they don't). And yet, it would seem that instead they are being allowed to fall through the cracks.

This is as wrong as it gets folks. There is nothing that can be said really... so I am going to leave this site and go try to find something that I can do about it.

To any veterans that are reading this: all I can say is Thank You for your sacrifices. The rest of us obviously don't say it often or well enough but we love you and we yearn to do something for you to show our gratitude.

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