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The Dems Need an Iran Strategy ASAP

By Guy T. Saperstein, AlterNet. Posted November 21, 2007.


If the Dems hope to avoid another crushing, demoralizing defeat in a presidential election, they will need a coherent strategy on what to do about Iran.
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Democrats are almost giddy about their prospects of winning the presidency and increasing their majorities in the House and Senate. In fact, in the November/December 2007 issue of Mother Jones magazine, Simon Rosenberg and Peter Leyden of the New Democrat Network even predict a 50-year shift of power to Democrats.

Due to the near-complete collapse of conservative ideas and policies, Democrats have an opening and perhaps even a strong hand to play, but they are underestimating the Republican trump card and Bush's willingness to play it -- national security. In fact, Democrats are woefully unprepared for what is likely to happen between now and next November.

The last three federal elections have been decided on security issues, with the Republicans winning two of them. Even in 2006, with the Iraq war collapsing around the Republicans, according to a Quinlin Greenberg poll, 22 percent of voters said "protecting America from terrorism" was their No. 1 voting priority and these "security voters" broke 74 percent to 24 percent for Republicans. On all other issues, Democrats maintain 20-plus point advantages over Republicans. In light of such facts, which are well-known, should we assume the Republicans, specifically Bush, Cheney and Rove (who continues to advise Bush) will let the election be dominated by Democratic issues? Shouldn't we assume Bush/Cheney will play the one strong card they have? These people have proved their willingness to lie, cheat, manipulate, create fear and even go to war against a country which posed no threat when it served their political purposes. In short, we must assume the worst -- that they will take aggressive action against Iran, most likely an air attack -- before November 2008.

Democrats are not merely unprepared for this, they appear to be traumatized by it. Given a mandate by voters in November 2006 to wind down the Iraq war, they splintered, proved incapable of uniting and failed to use the authority expressly given to them by the Constitution -- the power to withhold funding. In fact, many Democrats are continuing to blame Republicans for the impasse on Iraq, contending that they need a filibuster-proof 60 votes in the Senate to put conditions on funding to stop or wind down the war when, in fact, all they need to stop continued war funding is a simple majority in the House (which they have) and 41 votes in the Senate (which they have). In short, if the Democrats were as resolute in what they believed as the Republicans, the Iraq war would be well on the way to meeting the Iraq Study Group Report recommendation of near-complete withdrawal by March 2008. Instead, Dick Cheney's prediction in October 2006 that the November 2006 election results would not matter, as he and Bush would continue to prosecute the war regardless of the election results, has proved to be 100 percent accurate.

Democrats are fragmented and disorganized, blood is in the water and Bush/Cheney are set to exploit this disarray to the Republicans' advantage.

Sometime in March 2008, soon after the Democratic presidential nominee is identified by the presidential primaries, we should expect the Republican drumbeat about Iran to crescendo and the Republicans in Congress to promote an Iran resolution much like the one they foisted on the Democrats in October 2002, shortly before the 2002 midterm elections, where they crushed the Democrats. They will claim the resolution will not specifically authorize war against Iran, that its purpose will be to strengthen Bush's hand in negotiations with Iran, but which will be broad enough in its terms to be used for an attack on Iran by Bush/Cheney. Democrats will whine and moan, but the more conservative Democrats, approximately 75 in the House and 25 in the Senate, fearing accusations of not being "strong on defense," will cringe and crumble and sign on with the Republicans. A charade of "negotiation" will ensue, punctuated by claims insurgents in Iraq are being supplied by Iran, and perhaps even that Iranians are moving into Iraq, and in late fall 2008 (my guess is Oct. 1) Bush will authorize an air attack on Iranian targets to (1) protect our soldiers in Iraq and (2) reduce the Iran nuclear threat (a still-unproven threat). Act One in this drama already has occurred, with the Republicans promoting a resolution (Kyl-Lieberman) in the Senate to brand the Iranian Revolutionary Guards a "terrorist organization" (the first time a part of any national army has been so branded). Predictably, 25 Democratic senators, including Hillary Clinton, voted for this resolution and it passed 76-22. The resolution was nonbinding, but the exercise displayed for all to see the inherent weakness and lack of self-confidence of Democrats on national security issues.

Attacking Iran would be mostly symbolic, but would have disastrous consequences

Attacking Iran would not protect American soldiers in Iraq. Almost certainly, it would have exactly the opposite effect. American soldiers already are stretched to the max in Iraq; replacements and reinforcements are not available. According to Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton (ret.), who was commanding general in the Office of Security Transition in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003-2004, even without the added pressures of an attack on Iran, the current "15-month tours will break the Army." Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, said last week that "the answer to dealing with Iran will not be found in a military operation. The U.S. is currently bogged down in two wars. Our military is terribly overburdened, and we are doing great damage to our force structure and readiness capabilities."

The United States does not have the capacity to widen a ground war and take on a nation with more than double the population of Iraq. Attacking Iran by air risks Iran retaliating by sending armed forces and advanced weaponry into Iraq, which, to date, Iran has not done. Iran also has the capacity to send armed forces into neighboring nations, such as Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Lebanon, creating a wider war front, as well as increasing its political reach. Last week, Eaton confirmed that "the United States has insufficient forces in Iraq to defend from an Iranian attack." He added, "Iran has the capacity to send thousands of soldiers into Iraq in 4-9 person teams, armed with rocket-propelled grenades to support the Iraq insurgency; the U.S. does not have sufficient forces to respond to this." Eaton also said that Iran is believed to have "sleeper cells" throughout the Middle East, increasing the chance of widespread asymmetrical warfare the United States is not prepared to counter. The prospect of putting our soldiers in Iraq at much greater risk and transforming a one-nation war into regional war is real.

The downside to attacking Iran is even deeper. If Iran controls Hezbollah and Hezbollah is as dangerous as everyone says it is, attacking Iran could lead directly to "nonattributive" terrorist attacks on American soil. It wouldn't take a nuclear device or dirty bomb to disrupt the American economy. A few suicide bombers and/or "suitcase bombs" in crowded transportation hubs, shopping malls, movie theaters or perhaps an NFL football stadium would cause major economic dislocations in the United States. Iran also could close the Strait of Hormuz, where 20 percent of the world's oil supplies must pass, with sea mines and cut off oil to the West; Iran could attack Iraqi, and perhaps even Saudi, oil production. If world oil prices hit $200 a barrel, the world economy, already weak, would be seriously threatened -- a global depression is even possible. And while the United States gets relatively little oil from the Middle East, China, Russia and Japan get most of their oil there. Are they going to sit by quietly while the United States threatens or diminishes their oil supplies? China and Russia have a great capacity for mischief and the unintended consequences of attacking Iran could be dramatic.

At a minimum, China has the capacity to stop buying U.S. bonds or even begin selling their huge supply of U.S. dollars, further depressing the value of the U.S. dollar, already at historic lows. And, Russia, which is building close economic relations with Iran, likely would provide more sophisticated weaponry to Iran in the event of a U.S. attack, including advanced anti-aircraft weapons. Hagel said last week, "The challenge of Iran will not be successfully met without Russia and China and the world community." It will not successfully be met by jeopardizing China's and Russia's oil supplies.

Attacking Iran also will unite the Iranian population against America for a generation, the Arab street throughout the Middle East will become even more hostile to America and the world community, with the exception of Israel and possibly a few other nations, will condemn the United States Can our position in the world get worse? Yes.

Lastly, a "surgical strike" at Iran's nuclear program would largely be a fiction. First, we should not assume U.S. intelligence about where Iran's nuclear development sites are located is any better than the faulty intelligence about Iraq's supposed WMDs. Second, current U.S. "bunker busters" (aka "penetrating warheads") do not have the capacity to bust into deep underground bunkers. In fact, dropping a series of bunker busters would liquefy the soil around the bunkers and make them even more impregnable. The only way to knock out the bunkers is with nuclear weapons, but nuclear weapons and the radioactive fallout from them could cause millions of deaths and casualties, and not just in Iran. Last year, Gen. Wesley Clark stated that Iran's nuclear program could not be stopped by an air attack alone, and last week Maj. Gen. Eaton confirmed that assessment. Thus, a Bush/Cheney decision to bomb Iran largely would be symbolic, designed perhaps for an audience of American voters, but not to fundamentally alter realities on the ground, except to diminish U.S. standing in world opinion -- already at historic lows.

In the alternative, Bush could attack the many Iranian Revolutionary Guard encampments. Of course, the Democrats who voted to condemn the Revolutionary Guards as "a terrorist organization" have left themselves wide open to this; if the guards are "terrorists," how will those Democrats be able to object to an air attack? Remember, Bush/Cheney were not the ones who made "regime change" in Iraq official U.S. policy; credit for that belongs to Bill Clinton and congressional Democrats who collaborated with Republicans in 1998 to accomplish this. Democrats play chess one move at a time; Republicans seem to be able to see the whole board.

If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, and her past behavior is a guide, we can expect cautiousness and triangulation on Iran, and perhaps even outright support for military action. Already, she has fallen into the Republican trap of supporting the Kyl-Lieberman Senate resolution characterizing a part of the Iranian national army as a "terrorist organization." This is the kind of rhetoric which Sen. Hagel recently called "the lowest common denominator of 'who can talk the toughest' and who is the 'meanest cowboy on the block.' That kind of rhetoric ... political as it may be ... will only drive the world further away from America and deepen a world crisis ... that we may not be able to recover from." Democrats falling in line with Republican "cowboy" rhetoric and behavior on Iran sets up the prospect that the 2008 election could mirror 1968, when progressive opponents of the Vietnam War, outraged by Democratic inaction, deserted the Democratic Party, thereby helping to elect Richard Nixon. We could even see the rise of one or more third parties. Given Clinton's already record-high unfavorable poll numbers and her weak matchup poll numbers with Republican presidential candidates, it won't take much to tip the election to the Republicans.

Will the military dtop Bush/Cheney?

Important components of the U.S. military are opposed to military action in Iran. It has been reported that Adm. William Fallon, head of Central Command in Iraq (i.e., General Petraeus' boss) has said there will be no attack on Iran "on my watch." Think Progress, http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/fallon-carrier/. And, it is rumored that 20-plus high-ranking army officers have already tendered resignations in case Iran is attacked. We should salute these brave officers for keeping sight of America's long-term interests in the Middle East mind, not the short-term political needs of Republicans, but the American tradition is civilian rule, not mutiny, and we should expect that no matter how many courageous military officers object, when the order is issued to attack Iran, it will be followed.

What can Democrats do?

Democrats cannot outbid, outspend, outcowboy or outhawk the Republican hawks; if Democrats play the "tough on Iran" military card, they will be chasing Bush/Cheney all the way into another unwinnable, war. From a strategic game-theory standpoint, those who are posturing "tough on Iran" are putting control of the game totally in the hands of the opponent. Isn't this the one lesson from the runup to the Iraq war that every Democrat should have learned? Democrats need to get ahead of this issue, not continue passively to respond to hawkish initiatives, like the Kyl-Lieberman resolution, which accept all the hawk assumptions and set the table for war.

The "hooks" Bush likely will use to justify attacking Iran will be twofold: (1) He is protecting American troops in Iraq, and (2) he is preventing World War III by stopping Iran's nuclear program. Democrats need to attack, as well as put into context, both claims. While there may be some Iranians in Iraq supporting their Shiite compatriots, and some of the IED's found in Iraq may have been manufactured in Iran, Iran has been remarkably cautious about arming or supporting Iraqi insurgents, particularly given the fact that Iran has 300,000 American soldiers and mercenaries on its borders. While Ahmadenijad -- like Bush and Cheney -- has been bellicose, Iran's actual behavior in Iraq has been cautious. One prominent national security expert, Peter Galbraith, even has argued that Iran is our natural ally in Iraq, as Iran does not want continued instability on its borders, and both Iran and the United States support the Shiite-dominated Maliki government in Iraq. This provides Democrats the opportunity to make the case -- perhaps through investigative hearings featuring testimony by military commanders -- that attacking Iran will put American soldiers in Iraq more at risk, not less. Adm. Fallon, testifying in Congress about his doubts about taking military action against Iran and his "not on my watch" statement, might take the initiative from the Bush-Hawks and change the terms of public debate in more sensible directions. Army commanders testifying in public about "breaking the Army" with multiple 15-month tours of duty and not having sufficient forces available in Iraq to contend with Iranian retaliation might change perceptions about which party "supports the troops."

Democrats also need to deal with the Iran nuclear threat for what it is -- a potential long-term threat, but not an immediate threat. In fact, many security experts, including United Nations chief inspector El Baradei, say Iran's nuclear threat will not be realized for five years or more. We know it is possible to deal with such threats diplomatically because last February the Bush administration made a deal with another member of the "Axis of Evil," North Korea, to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program in favor of promises of economic aid. Bush has been remarkably quiet about this -- perhaps his one legitimate foreign policy success -- but there is no reason for Democrats to be quiet about the possibility of diplomacy working, as it worked in North Korea. Furthermore, there have been efforts by Iran to forge a game-changing deal with the United States. As Trita Parsi's book Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States shows, in May 2003, the Iranian government sent a proposal to the United States via its Swiss ambassador proposing a deal in which Iran would freeze its nuclear program in exchange for an end to U.S. hostility. As explained in the book, as well as Peter Galbraith's article published in AlterNet, the deal was summarily rejected by Bush/Cheney, but now with the United States so much weaker in Iraq, and with its real options limited in Iran, diplomacy, and a deal, should be pursued, just as the Iraq Study Group Report recommended. In short, there is no reason for Democrats, or anyone, to assume diplomacy has no chance of success.

Last week, Sen. Hagel gave a thoughtful, well-reasoned speech about Iran and the Middle East. Echoing the recommendation of the Iraq Study Group Report, he called for direct talks with Iran: "[N]ow is the time for the United States to actively pursue an offer of direct, unconditional, and comprehensive talks with Iran ... We should make clear that everything is on the table -- our issues and Iran's -- similar to the opportunity we squandered in 2003 for comprehensive talks with Iran." Hagel added, "We must be clear that the United States does not ... does not ... seek regime change in Iran. There can be no ambiguity on this point. This should include offering Iran a credible way back in from the fringes of the international community, security guarantees if it is willing to give nuclear weapons ambitions, as well as other incentives ... Creative approaches like these, rather than war speeches and talk of World War III, would strengthen our ability across the board to deal with Iran. Our friends and allies and international institutions would be more confident to stand with us, not just because of our power, but rather because they trusted our purpose, our words and our actions. It could create a new dynamic in U.S.-Iran relations, in part by incentivizing the Iranians to react to the possibility of better relations with the West because it is in their interests ... By refusing to engage Iran in direct, unconditional and comprehensive talks, we are perpetuating dangerous geopolitical unpredictabilities."

Let us salute Republican Sen. Hagel for his insights and courage to speak forthrightly about Iran, but shouldn't we expect the same from Democrats?

Two weeks ago, Rep. John Tierney, who sits on the House Select Committee on Intelligence and chairs a National Security and Foreign Affairs subcommittee, initiated a series of subcommittee hearings, inviting experts to teach Congress about Iran, such as what the Iranian people want, where power lay in the Iranian government, how Iran might be engaged diplomatically, what the costs of military intervention in Iran might be, etc. And, recently, Sen. Jim Webb (former Secretary of the Navy) sent a letter to President Bush contending "that offensive military action should not be taken against Iran without the express consent of Congress." As Steve Clemons, who directs the American Strategies program at the New America Foundation, and others, have argued, in light of the Kyl-Lieberman resolution, Democrats need to get 50 votes on something, even a nonbinding resolution, even a letter to the president, showing that a majority of the Senate opposes an attack on Iran. This is an opportunity for leadership from Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Christopher Dodd and Joe Biden -- the Democratic presidential candidates from the U.S. Senate. Can one, or more, of them rise to the occasion and bring some sanity to the discussion of Iran?

Conclusion

Three months ago, I attended a two-day Democratic Party policy discussion. The featured luncheon speaker on the second day was famed Democratic strategist James Carville, whose topic was the 2008 elections. Carville provided a rousing, rosy picture of Democratic opportunities in 2008, but missing from his discussion was any mention of national security contingencies. During the Q & A, a major Democratic donor asked Carville how the Democratic Party would respond to a major act of terrorism or a manufactured security event, such as Iran. With Nancy Pelosi sitting nearby, Carville answered, "I don't have a clue; that is way above my pay station."

If the Democrats hope to avoid another crushing, demoralizing defeat in a presidential election, as well as prevent America from digging an even deeper hole in the Middle East, they will need more than a clue, they will need a coherent strategy about what to do about Iran, and the sooner the better.

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Guy T. Saperstein is a Democracy Alliance partner and past president of the Sierra Club Foundation; previously, he was one of the National Law Journal’s "100 Most Influential Lawyers in America."

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There is only one viable strategy for dealing with this threat: IMPEACHMENT
Posted by: Rune on Nov 21, 2007 12:18 AM   
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And as the only Democratic candidate with a competent strategy for dealing with the Bush and Cheney's urge to send what is left of our military into another hell hole for purely political reasons noted, the Democrats should "do it now!"

Unfortunately, the so-called presidential front runners and leadership of the party continues to avoid pushing this obvious means of cutting off this threat to our country, innocent Iranians, much of the Middle East, and, of course, the political ambitions of the Democratic Party itself. Instead, the top Democrats continue to play ostrich while the threat draws ever nearer. Imagine what these fools would be like if they ever made it into the White House and had to deal with multiple crises that cannot be so easily contained as can Bush and Cheney by simply moving on the impeachment articles that have been filed against them. Now, that's worrisome!

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Theirs to lose
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 21, 2007 12:22 AM   
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The Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Being a Progressive/Moderate/Independent voter all my adult life, I've always used my vote to show my disdain for the vise-like grip the two parties have on our system, when our Constitution never even so much as mentioned the word 'parties'. But that protest vote turned into a straight-Democratic ticket vote after I saw what boy emperor did to our country. Now I want a Democrat in the Offal Office along with a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a majority in the House, just to see what the Dems have for us. After 2000-2006, it's only fair to let them show us what it means to lead this country in the new century/millenium. Still, I sense such a disgruntlement among the populace, that theoretically, if we (me and my ilk) centrist voters (the ones who vote, as well as all those who don't) formed our own party, led by ideas and well thought out solutions, we'd win in a landslide every time. Keep the name simple...The Moderate Party!....LONG LIVE THE MODERATE PARTY!

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» Persia here we come Posted by: vox persona
DEM "strategy" same as GOP - a FASCIST RACE to the BOTTOM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Nov 21, 2007 1:11 AM   
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The Hillary Clinton "she has fallen into the Republican trap" line is typical of this piece that pretends DC Dems are really poles apart from a neo-con circus front.

What a macabre chuckle...

A Fascist race to the bottom for all but cushy corporate criminals is all but assured under either phony party.

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» Exactly. Posted by: Coleman
» Thirded. Posted by: pig
How's this for an Iran strategy?
Posted by: xi_people on Nov 21, 2007 3:45 AM   
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Leave them alone and stop interfering in the internal matters of other sovereign nations. Since when is it America's business whether Iran develops nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons?

This is another disgusting "left-gatekeeper" article that pushes the imperialist, interventionist line that clearly demonstrates that democrats are no different than republicans.

Where this is all leading to is absolute ruin for the American people. How many places around the world can America start fires, then send in troops to put them out? Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria....? When does it stop?

The bottom line is that the empire is in its "last throes," to paraphrase Darth's famous quote, and it is thrashing around, trying to flex its nuclear armament at anyone who dares to observe that the emperor has no clothes. There is no way that this will not end very badly, with the potential for millions of lives lost.

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» RE: How's this for an Iran strategy? Posted by: left_libertarian
White House Game Plan--Iraq and Iran
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Nov 21, 2007 3:46 AM   
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The White House’s propaganda campaign laying the groundwork for military action against Iran dates back almost six years—to Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address in which he designated Iran as a founding member of the “axis of evil.” Since then, this drumbeat has waxed and waned as other concerns—primarily the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq—have often commanded center stage. Now, with the Bush administration approaching its final year in office, a renewed push and a shorter fuse are increasingly evident. My 3-minute YouTube video entitled “Forewarned Is Forearmed: Bush On Iran” is available HERE. It offers a very brief but deeply troubling chronicle of the president’s public warmongering and demonization of Iran.

Such manipulation of public and congressional sentiment has also been a key and successful part of the White House’s entire Iraq war enterprise, so we should not be surprised to see it play a similar role in any military attack on Iran. For those interested in a psychological analysis of this warmongering, I have also recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration’s messages target five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. The video describes these warmongering appeals and offers suggestions for how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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the Dems Do have an Iran strategy...
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Nov 21, 2007 4:26 AM   
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it's called CAPITULATION to anything the Shrubites want.

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Stop the Funding!
Posted by: Basenjis on Nov 21, 2007 4:26 AM   
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The simplest and most direct solution to the manufactured crisis with Iran is to stop funding these contrived wars and counter the propaganda machine with the truth. It might even work. Nothing else seems to.

Hillary Clinton disqualified herself as an authority on solving the stand-off with Iran by endorsing the neo-con line and branding the Irani Revolutionary Guard a "terrorist organization." If she has no better judgement than that, she certainly shouldn't be running for president.

Some of us have waited a lot of years to see a good woman in the oval office, and we are presented in a crisis presidential election--with Hillary!--just another conniving warmonger. We have become our own worst enemy.

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Plan 9 from Planet Earth
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 21, 2007 4:28 AM   
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This should be the Democrats Plan:

We will be doing everything diplomaticly possible - getting fat on plates and plates of humble pie - to undo the damage that has been done to decades and decades of dimplomacy in less than seven years by the half-witted little piece of shit now sitting in the oval office.

Now that sounds like a plan!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Remembering RFK 1925-1968

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» RE: Plan 9 from Planet Earth Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Plan 9 from Planet Earth Posted by: fbc21ca
Intelligence and intellect must win out over emotions and blaming
Posted by: gdonald on Nov 21, 2007 4:57 AM   
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I read the comments and I wonder, "do people ever really read, learn and alter their beliefs? The answer after reading some of these comments is, No.

It's time to wake up to the reality that neither Democrats or Republicans are going to bring any real effective reversal away from fascism and back to a Constitutional Republic. The corporate takeover of our political parties is far to deep for a correction. It's like a cancer tumor that won't respond to treatment and now it must be cut out or it will consume the body. That is where we are with the two main parties. They must be cut out(voted out) of the picture and independents put in(voted in) place because the cancer(two main parties) is about to kill the body(country).

Get It Now? It's no longer about the parties,because that's focusing on the symptom. It's about focusing on the cure and that is never going to happen from either two main parties. In my 50 plus years of living both parties have had their opportunities at controlling the political scene of the nation and folks, they have both in sinc and as planned led us to this point of crisis.

That is the reality of the United States today. That if we the people fail to step away from our foolish political ideologies and blame game and work to reverse the crisis, then our Republic will fail and how many untold millions of lives around the world will be destroyed because we the people failed. Stop being played by all the government provocatures that write their hate filled comments on this and other web sites who want to focus on the sympton (blame game) rather than focus on the cure.

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If the Democrats were progressive . . .
Posted by: Earthian on Nov 21, 2007 5:04 AM   
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A progressive plan for dealing with nuclear proliferation would do these things:

- Abide by the NPT Treaty, Article 6, and engage in good faith efforts to disarm while working with other nuclear weapons powers to do so as well.

- Work to make the Mideast a nuclear-free zone by witholding aid from any nation that fails to join and abide by the NPT, including, of course, Israel.

- End the illegal, immoral occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia, and allow UN-sponsored, African Union-sponsored, OIC-sponsored, Muslim-composed peacekeeping forces (with agreement from the resistance groups) to provide security.

- Pay reparations to Iraq and Afghanistan for US war crimes.

- Prosecute our war criminals, starting at the top for crimes against peace, crimes against humanity and other war crimes such as kidnapping, torture and illegal imprisonment.

- Respect the NPT, Article 4, and assist Iran in having a viable, commercial nuclear energy program if they want it, (as we did for the previous administration of Iran) under rigorous inspections by the IAEA.

- Hold Israel and Palestine accountable to UNSC Resolution 242, in conjunction with the Arab League and achieve the international consensus of a two-state solution along the lines of the Geneva proposal to limit Israel's border to the 1967 border, turn East Jerusalem over the Palestinians, compensate Palestinians for land and other property lost in the creation of Israel, trade some Israeli settlements for existing Israeli land, and make Palestine a demilitarized zone with Muslim, UN peacekeepers, along with some from the EU, China and Russia.

- Consider Iran to be a sovereign nation, and treat them as such.

All this is in accordance with international law. And following these obvious progressive policies would be a rejection of empire and the "war on terror;" would be embracing the rule of international law; would reflect caring for all people in the Mideast; and would create a context whereby Iran could likely be persuaded to continue being peaceful and a non-nuclear-weapons nation, for they have not invaded any nation in modern times and possess no nuclear arsenal.

In short, quit behaving as a conservative, imperial bullying nation, and behave as a progressive, cooperative, law-abiding nation.

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A strategy for what reason?
Posted by: ArtemInox on Nov 21, 2007 6:11 AM   
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We all should know that anything we supposedly know about what goes on in Iran, or what intentions, if any, a potentially hostile foreign government has toward the US, is probably very biased, and quite possibly far removed from the reality. Like it or not, the only source of information about it for most of us is the so-called news. Need I say more......

I could be totally wrong on thinking that Iran has other things to worry about than doing anything to harm our country. But that's what I'm thinking, hopefully I am correct.

From that view, it's really sad that there would be a percieved need for the Democrats or anyone else to need a strategy on Iran in the first place. Because it would be yet another red herring, bullshit "issue" for people to focus on, instead of some really scary shit ongoing right here.

http://www.addictedtoaggravation.com/

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The frame is wrong
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Nov 21, 2007 6:16 AM   
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Why should the U.S. "do" anything about Iran?

The U.S. has no right to deny nuclear power to Iran. Iran is in compliance with the IAEA. Iran has not attacked the United States. Iran has not attacked its neighbors.

The United States can leave Iran alone, that's what it can do.

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» RE: The frame is wrong Posted by: allUneedislove
What about Iraq?
Posted by: edraven on Nov 21, 2007 6:23 AM   
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I agree with Tom Degan. The Democrats need a plan for Iran AND Iraq. We have to ask forgiveness for the NeoCon's stupid, failed, aggression.

The best way to have handled Iraq, would have been to make friends with them. It would have saved lives and money. I am really sick of the hijackers who ruined America.

Fear won elections for Bush - - fear of what? There have been NO American's killed in America by any terrorist group since 9/11. (Maybe the Anthrax thing, but there is no proof yet that a terrorist was involved)…on the other hand, 18,000 Americans were killed last year by drunk drivers. We don’t even look at the deaths that could be prevented or reduced in the USA that are caused by poor health care (80,000 people were killed by our hospitals), pollution, bad nutrition, guns, gangs, cigarettes, fire, levees…

There must be a plan that restarts the American Dream for the world. If you want to convert other countries to democracy, you have to set an example. Democracy is not being invaded, killed, maimed, and told to vote for a candidate picked by the Bush administration.

The Democrats should hold a summit, not more debates. Bring in the candidates and some other good people and decide on a platform now. There is plenty of time to debate before the election, but not much time to plan. This country has been ruined by bad, or no planning.

Ed Graham

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NUCLEAR bunker busters
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 21, 2007 6:27 AM   
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Guy T. Saperstein has apparently never heard of or doesn't
understand our nuclear bunker buster.
"Second, current U.S. "bunker busters" (aka "penetrating
warheads") do not have the capacity to bust into deep
underground bunkers. In fact, dropping a series of bunker busters
would liquefy the soil around the bunkers and make them even
more impregnable. The only way to knock out the bunkers is with
nuclear weapons, but nuclear weapons and the radioactive fallout
from them could cause millions of deaths and casualties, and not
just in Iran."
WRONG you are, Guy T. Saperstein. NUCLEAR bunker busters
would not only destroy the bunkers, they would explode so deep
that no fallout would be noticed on the surface. NUCLEAR
bunker busters would NOT kill anybody at all on the surface, but
they would destroy the deep bunkers. Nuclear bomb bursts on
the SURFACE would do NOTHING to deep bunkers.
Liquefying the soil [rock] around the bunkers would make them
EASIER to penetrate, not harder. Every word of Guy T.
Saperstein's "analysis" on bunker busting is wrong.

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Partisan advantage is no basis for policy development
Posted by: robchapman on Nov 21, 2007 6:38 AM   
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The author's apparent contention that the Democratic strategy on Iran should be guided by electoral considerations is reprehensible.

Foreign policy, like all other facets of public policy should be the pursuit of justice. There is no substitute for this and Senator Dodd's recent contention that national security is the first priority of foreign policy is wrong-headed.

Justice does not imply imposing our will or values upon others, it is just that. The US played the major role in the foundation of the UN and in writing the Declaration of Human Rights, the chartering document that stands as the global standard of justice.

Serendipitously, the promulgation of these rights came at the zenith of American power, directly after we had defeated the Axis, the strongest and most extensive military alliance ever formed.

The strength of our ideas added materially to our victory in WWII.

It is a significant measure of how far American statecraft has fallen that we are thinking of the Iranians and other third world advesaries in the same terms as the Greatest Generation thought of the Axis powers.

The proliferation of nuclear weapons, not Iran is the threat that we face in this instance. American policy on nonproliferation is muddled and contradictory.

We actively support India in their nuclear program which has direct military applications. We support Israel in a military nuclear program that has the potential to kill tens of millions. We support Pakistan a renegade nuclear power if ever there was one.

American foreign policy regarding nonproliferation is in the shambles it is in precisely because too many decisions have been made with an eye on the next election.

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Iran and the Israel angle
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 21, 2007 7:11 AM   
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Guy T. Saperstein, didn't you hear Ahmadenijad say that Iran has
missiles that can reach everywhere in Israel? If Bush bombs Iran,
Iran attacks Israel with whatever warheads they have in said
missiles. Then Israel nukes Iran. [Israel threatened to nuke Iraq
before the first Gulf War when Saddam fired those Scud missiles
at Israel.] Israel has enough nuclear weapons to destroy every
city in Iran. Israel has even planned the "Samson" option, in
which Israel nukes the whole Middle East. Israel might nuke Iran
anyway, to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

A wild card: The Mediterranean Sea is kept out of "The Levant,"
which includes Israel, by a thin volcanic dike. The rest of Israel
is porous limestone. The old Soviet built 58 megaton "Silo
busters" were designed to penetrate granite deeply before
exploding, turning cubic miles of granite into gravel. If such a
bomb hit the Levant volcanic dike, water could seep from the
Mediterranean Sea into the Jordan River Valley, and fill it up.
The only thing stopping the East African Rift Valley, of which the
Jordan River Valley is a part, from rifting further is the buoyancy
of the Jordan River Valley. [Air is lighter and more buoyant than
rock.] Putting a hole in the Levant volcanic dike could thus cause
really "biblical" earthquakes. The geography of the Middle East
could become unrecognizable.

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» Huh? Posted by: pig
The Democrats do have an 'Iran strategy' and...
Posted by: logansafi on Nov 21, 2007 10:02 AM   
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First off, this article is way behind the curve. It should read, 'The Democrats Need a Pakistan Strategy ASAP' to be anywhere current. And second, the Democrats do have an Iran Strategy, and it is not in anyway different than the Republican's.

Let's see now, has the Democrat's strategy on the 'War on Terror', the 'War on Drugs', the War on Pakistan, The War on Afghanistan, the War on Somalia or any of the other zillion and one wars been any different from that of the Republicans?

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Bomb, Bonb, Bonb ... Bonb , Bonb Iran!????????
Posted by: Gaubladt on Nov 21, 2007 10:36 AM   
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Iran is already a de-facto nuclear power.
We in the US need to operate under the assumption that they already have nuclear devices on our soil, ready to disburse radioactivity as soon as we "Bomb, Bonb, Bonb ... Bonb , Bonb Iran". Our State Dep't already assumes the same regarding North Korea.
Bombing Iran is preposterous. The Kyle Liebarman resolution must be repealed as a statement to Bush/Cheney that they do not have carte-blance for an invasion of Iran or anything else for that matter.

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How about minding your own business
Posted by: messedup on Nov 21, 2007 10:51 AM   
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But Americans have no idea what this means.

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Great article
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 21, 2007 10:52 AM   
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Among its many qualities, this is the first article I've seen that addresses my fear about Iran: that an attack, perhaps just a symbolic one, on that country will be ordered for electoral reasons. Particularly if the Democratic candidate is Hillary Clinton.
An attack justified by pointing at Kyl-Lieberman, that is, claiming the support of Hillary Clinton, will simultaneously discourage progressive voters and rally the far-right base. To the Republicans a 30% approval rating is just fine, as long as the other 70% doesn't vote. It's their only chance and they'll use it. I agree with the author: there will be an attack on Iran sometime between the Democratic nomination and Election Day, no matter what the situation on the ground is and no matter what Iran does or does not do.
The Democrats including Clinton have to move away from this ticking time-bomb, and fast. And not just for their own good. So many things are at stake, the future of the planet being one of them.

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Watch for Cheney
Posted by: Nick on Nov 21, 2007 11:23 AM   
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He probably considering how to replace Bush with himself.
His Mossad friends surely will help him,
so he can unleash war against Iran
and take to Hell half of humanity for the company.

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A "crushing, demoralizing defeat"
Posted by: willymack on Nov 21, 2007 11:55 AM   
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For the Democrats at the polls in 2008? Not bloody likely. Not in a fair election. Just take a look at the schlock "candidates" on the rethug side. Nobody in his right mind would vote for any of those losers, and the rethugs know this all too well. The neocrooks have but two options to pull the 2008 "election" off in their favor, and both are ILLEGAL. The first is the toxic combination of disenfranchisement, bogus vote counts from rigged voting machines, and physical intimidation at the polling sites. These tactics worked in 2000 & 2004, so they're almost certain to be attempted again. The second option is to buy off a popular Democratic candidate (or candidates) and support him/her. In any event, a free and fair election will almost certainly NOT occur.

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A New Pearl Harbor?
Posted by: writerman on Nov 21, 2007 1:39 PM   
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The Democrats do need a rational and realistic strategy for Iran, why not make a deal with them? The Iranians want to make a deal with the US, all they want in return is a promise accept the the Iranian Revolution and refrain from working for regime change in Iran.

But does the "war party" in the US really want friendly or normal relations with Iran? The answer is, no, they want to reverse and topple the Iranian Islamic Revolution, because Iran is simply an obstacle to American plans for the Middle East and its resources. The "war party" wants war!

If they can provoke Iran into retaliating to an American air-strike by attack the US fleet in the gulf and sinking lots of ships with thousands of casualities, this could be presented as a new 9/11 in the Gulf. They would then have an excuse to use nuclear weapons against Iran and win!

However, this is a high-risk strategy, that might launch us on a path to Armageddon, but if one is "born again" this "creative destruction" might just be the pathway to the birth of a new world order.

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It's not just Iran
Posted by: Democritus on Nov 21, 2007 2:11 PM   
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It's not just a plan about Iran that the Democrats need. It's simply a plan. With the abominable record the Bush Administration has, 2008 should be a banner year for Democrats. The problem is that Democrats control both houses of Congress, and the approval rating for Congress is lower than either Bush's or Cheney's approval rating! That could translate into many Democrats venting their disapproval by simply sitting on their hands in 2008, or else voting for Ralph Nader. A disciplined Republican Party could then win the White House.

With the corporate media fixed on who among the Democrats has raised more money, and with the televised debates being a joke because of the idiotic format and the majority of questions being directed to "the big three," it's no wonder that progressive Democrats are ready to throw up their hands and say, "A pox on both your houses!" because the Democratic leadership is nothing but "Republican Lite."

Of course, all the Democratic candidates for president should say that there will be no bombing of Iran. Period. Instead, there should be diplomacy leading to the same sort of solution worked out with North Korea. They should also be saying that there must be a firm timetable for pulling all our military forces from Iraq, so that before the 2008 election, our troops must be home. Dennis Kucinich has a 12-step plan for doing just this, but his views get no play in the corporate media.

The Democrats in the House can improve their standing enormously by simply doing two things: (1) Cut off any more funding for the Iraq war. Dennis Kucinich has been advocating this for years. It's the only way to stop the Bush/Cheney war machine. (2) Have John Conyers move Kucinich's H.R. 333 to impeach Cheney along in the Judiciary Committee. Now that Scott McClellan has "outed" Rove, Bush, and Cheney as the "leakers," this should be so much easier to do. If Congress does not do these two things, they will have, in effect, adquiesced to the Bush/Cheney plan to continue their disastrous policies. Voters will remember this spineless behavior in 2008.

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Dems Still Smarting from 1972 Election Results...
Posted by: CatDad on Nov 21, 2007 2:19 PM   
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The Right Wing will always flaunt the 1972 crushing defeat of George McGovern to any Democrats)s) who dare to stray from the "conventional wisdom" consensus that guides US Imperial/Nonconservative foreign policy thought.

In a way, the Right Wing doesn't have to worry...There's a censorship mechanism within the Democratic Party to deal with any member who dares to stray outside this "consensus." Gatekeepers like Nancy Pelosi and Raum Emanuel will make sure that those with viewpoints outside of this conventional wisdom matrix will not be put in positions of power and will not be the party's nominee.
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"Differences of opinion should be tolerated, but not when they're too different."

- Line from Woody Allen's movie "Bananas"

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THE DEMS NEED----------
Posted by: karim29007 on Nov 21, 2007 3:15 PM   
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THE CAUSE
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FIRST I would like to express my gratitude to Mr. Saperstein for his article.

The American foreign policy has world wide implications specifically for the Middle-East.

TWO countries, IRAQ and AFGHANESTAN, under occupation, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths on all sides, destructions everywhere, in conjunction with the on going daily genocide in PALESTINE and now the saber rattling for IRAN.

Why has the regime in Washington embarked on such a policy?

The unequiv0cal answer: To implement wishes of
the ZIONIST ENTITY.

It has been almost FIVE DECADES OF UNQUALIFIED SUPPORT for the terroristic ZIONIST regime in Tel-Aviv.

Now we are talking about impeachment, wining the 2008 election, even putting the war criminals on trial.

I hope they become a reality.

However, these are just seeing to some of the SYMPTOMS.

AMERICA HAS GOT ZIONIST PROBLEM.

AND UNTIL THIS PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED, CHANGING THE REGIME IN THE W/H DOES NOT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE.

THE CONSOLIDATED ZIONIZT CONSORTIUM WITH AIPAC AS THEIR CEO WILL CONTINUE TO IMPOSE THEIR REQUIREMENTS ON AMERICANS AND WE ALL PAY FOR IT FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.

As the enemy of humanity ZIONISTS must be stopped.

AND UNTIL THEN THE CANCEROUS CELLS WILL GROW AND GROW.

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FOLLOW THE MONEY
Posted by: sunspot on Nov 21, 2007 3:58 PM   
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I read in Monday's Boston Globe the real reason we're pissed at Iran: they consider US dollars worthless paper and want to start pegging oil to other currencies. If OPEC agrees with this reasoning, we will be bankrupted overnight. The reason the Dems have no apparent plan for Iran is there is no possible plan for Iran. We hold no cards. We need oil and nobody needs what we have any more. We don't make anything that can't be made elsewhere in the world. They have us over an (oil) barrel and they know it. Our only hope is to move as far away from oil and OPEC as fast as humanly possible. We should have done that during the Carter administration!! But here we are, teetering on the verge of monetary collapse. And there's nothing either party can easily do about it short of an energy-independence Marshall Plan. How will the entrenched interests like that? GM and Exxon will scream bloody murder. The Dems know that too.

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» RE: FOLLOW THE MONEY Posted by: sofla100
That's it, in a nutshell: An energy independance Marshall Plan
Posted by: Gaubladt on Nov 21, 2007 4:38 PM   
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Iran, and Iraq for that matter, are too costly for us to continue fighting. We have to muster what few resources we have left to engage the colossal undertaking of weaning ourselves away from oil.

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The Dems do have a strategy
Posted by: opeluboy on Nov 21, 2007 6:03 PM   
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You can find it on AIPAC's webiste.

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Giving Iran What She Does Not Want: Fear of a Military Strike
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 21, 2007 6:34 PM   
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After having a 1/2 trillion military budget year after year, and continuing to have hundreds of thousands of soldiers, their is JUST ONE thing America has that Iran could possibly be concerned with. Now, America has its increasingly worthless dollars and its debt ravaged economy, so America really has nothing to offer Iran. At least nothing the Iranians want. But, there is one thing America can give Iran, and that it does not want. The military option, what Bush is considering. The USA is bogged down in Iraq, but make no mistake about it, America does have tremendous military might. America could unleash a very large amount of missles and bombs into Iraq, essentially reducing her to rubble. America also has stockpiles of WMD's. All this is at Bushes command, it may be the only thing left for America to use in influencing Iran. And, that is where America is going.

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I agree. I'm not proposing them. Israel proposed them.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 21, 2007 11:10 PM   
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I agree. I'm not proposing them. Israel proposed them.

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The Zionists are not amused
Posted by: carl baydala on Nov 22, 2007 6:02 AM   
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This is a lovely article. It is well-written and exposes us to many aspects of the U.S. and its relations with Iran and the Middle East. Any decent thinking person would of course agree with the sentiments of the article since it concerns itself with peace, common sense, and the role of diplomacy in the troubled Arab lands.

The only thing the author seems to disregard, however, is that a major component of U.S. Middle East policy doesn't like articles like this one, and would diminish its possible efficacy at any opportunity. AIPAC and the Zionists have no intention of giving any credence to an article like this one, or of softening their stance toward Iran. In the Middle East the Zionists only see enemies, not friends. These people have a great deal to say regarding U.S. policy in the lands that surround Israel. I was wondering if the author was aware of this feature of U.S. society.

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The Democrats are smart to not have a stated position
Posted by: wsx on Nov 22, 2007 7:06 AM   
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Seriously, if you went through every major democratic party constituency, consolidated what they wanted or stood for, wrote it down, edited to make sure it was 100% accurate, prioritized it and published it, it would be a broad manifesto with some good policies but so many unpopular initiatives that the dems would lose both houses of congress and the next presidential election in a landslide. I am not saying this to be sensational. If I am wrong why isnt the democratic party proud of what its constituencies stand for and promote its initiatives like Newt Gingrich did? Its the harsh reality that it wont win elections. The best thing to do is agitate but not stand up for what you purportedly stand for. I think they are 0 wins 40 defeats v bush on the war. If you don't believe in the war, dont fund it. Thats what the people who elected the last congress want.

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Why?
Posted by: donl51 on Nov 23, 2007 1:02 PM   
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They already have one,it was thought up by the republicans.......remember all those promises they made?...find one they kept!One party;DEMPUBS, ..that's all folks''!

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The meaning of coherence
Posted by: NaturalSystems on Nov 25, 2007 7:24 AM   
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Here's a coherent strategy for the Dems in regard to Iran:

Leave 'em the f*ck alone. They're not bothering anybody. And tell Israel to leave 'em alone as well.

Then, let's start creating a truly coherent non-fossil fuel energy strategy based on powering down combined with a strategy to replace the growth economy with a steady-state economy, and start the discussion on what it means to live sustainably on a planet that has finite resources, i.e. staying within biospheric carrying capacity.

The first step in the latter might be convincing Christians/Catholics that 'go forth and multiply' doesn't mean go breed like rabbits, coupled with no longer tying foreign aid to abstinence only birth control.

And, finally, tell the bushites/neocons/cold warriors to take their national security fantasy and put it where the sun don't shine. The reason life is going extinct on the third rock from the sun isn't because of terrorism/communism/environmentalism.

Of course, instead of coherent, we'll get some watered down version of the nonsense Saperstein is suggesting. Expecting leadership from Hilrak O'Clinton or the other Senate Dems is like expecting Santa Clause to come down your chimney.

The security issues people are concerned about have to do with whether or not they or the planet even have a future, and if there is one, whether predatory capitalism is going to do an Enron on their pensions--for whatever little they're going to be worth as the US dollar continues its slide into oblivion.

This is why Dems can't motivate more than about 15% of the general population to actually vote for them. The Dems gave us NAFTA, et al, made sure the bankruptcy bill didn't run into any serious trouble, rubber stamp 90% of the conservative judges and other political appointees Rove selects, and refuse to hold war criminals accountable.

The power to do something about Iraq has nothing to do with withholding funding, it has to do with impeachment. But holding public hearings on the corruption of power might bring things to light most Dems would rather remain hidden.

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The Dems need a strategy - period
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Nov 25, 2007 10:17 PM   
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Some cojones and a stateman or two (or women)wouldn't hurt any either. As it stands, they're S.O.L., and simply not being Republicans, they're going to find, isn't enough. Without impeachment - and that means getting Pelosi's attention - without exposure of sellouts to their constituents, without people willing to risk their careers to get done what MUST be done, it'll be the S.S.D.D., and it won't matter when the perfectly intact Republican election-stealing mechanism turns out to remain intact and working just fine.

Ian

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There is only one strategy that the Dems will acknowledge
Posted by: itzamirakul on Nov 26, 2007 9:40 AM   
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And that is whatever strategy that AIPAC, the Corporate Lobby, (they're one and the same aren't they?) and the NeoCons of both the US and Israel determine for them.

If we have learned anything from the past seven years and two elections it is that the people holding Democratic political posts in Washington are lying, stealing pieces of crap whose only interest is in how much money they and their family members can make off of the big money Repubs.

If there was a bit of decency left in any one of the Democrats holding office, there would still be a fight over the lost presidential election of 2000 and its racist overtones.

Oh, yes...I WILL vote again this time despite the fact that I am thoroughly disgusted with each and everyone of them but I will not give any GOP the pleasure of thinking he/she prevented me from voting. I will vote, but I will work against Hillary Clinton even if she ends up being the Dem candidate, which she probably will because AIPAC, the Corporate Lobby and the Neocons want her in. She is one of them as we all know. Obama is running a close second in AIPAC ass-kissing just as Pelosi is. God how they disgust me!

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