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Attacking Iran for Israel?

By Ray McGovern, Consortium News. Posted November 1, 2007.


With 200-300 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, Israelis enjoy a nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. They mean to keep it that way, and they want the U.S. to help.
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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is at her mushroom-cloud hyperbolic best, and this time Iran is the target. Her claim last week that "the policies of Iran constitute perhaps the single greatest challenge to American security interests in the Middle East and around the world" is simply too much of a stretch.

To gauge someone's reliability, one depends largely on prior experience. Sadly, Rice's credibility suffers in comparison with Mohammed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Basing his judgment on the findings of IAEA inspectors in Iran, ElBaradei reports that there is no evidence of an active nuclear weapons program there.

If this sounds familiar, it is in fact déjà vu. ElBaradei said the same thing about Iraq before it was attacked. But three days before the invasion, American nuclear expert Dick Cheney told NBC's Tim Russert, "I think Mr. ElBaradei is, frankly, wrong."

Here we go again. As in the case of Iraq, U.S. intelligence has been assiduously looking for evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iran, but, alas, in vain. Burned by the bogus "proof" adduced for Iraq -- the uranium from Africa, the aluminum tubes -- the administration has shied away from fabricating nuclear-related "evidence." Are Bush and Cheney again relying on the Rumsfeld dictum, that "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?" There is a simpler answer.

Cat out of the bag

The Israeli ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor, let the cat out of the bag while speaking at the American Jewish Committee luncheon on Oct. 22. In remarks paralleling those of Rice, Meridor said Iran is the chief threat to Israel. Heavy on the chutzpah, he then served gratuitous notice on Washington that countering Iran's nuclear ambitions will take a "united United States in this matter," lest the Iranians conclude, "come January '09, they have it their own way."

Meridor stressed that "very little time" remained to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. How so? Even were there to be a nuclear program hidden from the IAEA, no serious observer expects Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon much sooner than five years from now.

Truth be told, every other year since 1995 U.S. intelligence has been predicting that Iran could have a nuclear weapon in about five years. It has become downright embarrassing -- like a broken record, punctuated only by so-called "neoconservatives" like James Woolsey, who in August publicly warned that the United States may have no choice but to bomb Iran in order to halt Tehran's nuclear weapons program.

Woolsey, self-described "anchor of the Presbyterian wing of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs," put it this way: "I'm afraid that within, well, at worst, a few months; at best, a few years; they [the Iranians] could have the bomb."

The day before Ambassador Meridor's unintentionally revealing remark, Vice President Dick Cheney reiterated, "We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon." That remark followed closely on President George W. Bush's apocalyptic warning of World War III, should Tehran acquire the knowledge to produce a nuclear weapon.

The Israelis appear convinced they have extracted a promise from Bush and Cheney that they will help Israel nip Iran's nuclear program in the bud before they leave office. That is why the Israeli ambassador says there is "very little time" -- less than 15 months.

Never mind that there is no evidence that the Iranian nuclear program is any more weapons-related than the one Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld persuaded President Gerald Ford to approve in 1976. Westinghouse and General Electric successfully lobbied for approval to sell the Shah for $6.4 billion the kind of nuclear facilities that Iran is now building, but the deal fell through when the Shah was ousted in 1979.

With 200-300 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, the Israelis enjoy a nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. They mean to keep that monopoly, and Israel's current leaders are pressing for the United States to obliterate Iran's fledgling nuclear program.

Anyone aware of Iran's ability to retaliate realizes this would bring disaster to the whole region and beyond. But this has not stopped Cheney and Bush in the past. And the real rationale is reminiscent of the one revealed by Philip Zelikow, confidant of Condoleezza Rice, former member of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and later executive director of the 9/11 Commission. On Oct. 10, 2002, Zelikow said this to a crowd at the University of Virginia:

"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat is -- it's the threat to Israel. And this is the threat that dare not speak its name ... the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."


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Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, D.C. He was a CIA analyst for 27 years and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

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Impeachment is the only answer
Posted by: tclaverdure on Nov 1, 2007 12:54 AM   
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I really wonder why the dems are not going full out for an impeachment to prevent this lunacy? It must be because they are mindless robots programed to operate with political survival as a modus operandi.

Man do I wish Barbra Bush had a headache the night Dumbya was spawned. Hell even if she had a headache H.W. would have raped her to get his rocks off, the psychopathic murderer he is.

Now would be a good time to pray to your god or the invisible pink unicorn for a peacefull outcome.

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Same old song and dance
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 1, 2007 1:00 AM   
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This is a repeat of the same show they were performing on all of the nightly news and cable programs four years ago - threats of mushroom clouds, slam dunks, yadda, yadda, yadda....The amazing thing it the fact that the opposition party (Note to viewers of FOX and Friends: That would be the Democrats) seem perfectly content to let the Bush Mob committ yet another blunder of historical proporthions. It's like this: the more the Dems let these homicidal bastards and bitches (Hi, Condi!) destroy this nation and planet, the easier it will be for them at the polls next November. Apparently, the death count means not a thing to these pathetic, gutless assholes. What's one or two million lifeless bodies between friends, ay? YIKES! It embarrasses me to even remember that I was registererd to vote in that party for twenty years!

The party of FDR should wake up and remember that it is only the Congress that can declare war. When(not "if" but "when" Bush and Cheney strike Iran, impeachment proceedings must begin immediately. If that does not happen, they WILL be destroyed come Election Day with another third party uprisng at the polls -TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

My advice for the Democrats: Keep a wary eye over your left shoulder, kiddies.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Iraq, Iran, I rant...

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Wet dreams of ...
Posted by: farhada on Nov 1, 2007 4:05 AM   
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Ever since the fall of Shah of Iran in 1979, and disastrous hostage taking by the students in 1980. Many people have been trying to do what ever they can to retaliate IRI.

The secret support of both Iran (by the Israelis) and Iraq (by US, France, soviet, Italy, UK and all Arab countries), the criminal shooting of Iranian civilian airplane flight 655 over the Persian Gulf in 1988, the attacks against Iranian oil fields and destruction of many of them at the same time, the US government and their Israeli counterparts have been trying hard to start a war against Iran.

I remember watching a "military expert" in 1991 (I think) right before the start of the "Desert Storm" operation, when he was trying really hard to convince the reporter to send the message to Bush/Cheney/Powel that this was an excellent opportunity to attack Iran since they had enough man power and equipment to "give Iranians a lesson that they never forget".

The US support of PKK (the newly created Iranian wing of it, Jundollah (the so called Baluchistan Liberation Army among other names which has clear similarity with Al-Qaida/Taliban groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan), they financial support to extreme nationalist movements in Azerbaijan has been going on for quiet a while.

Even if IRI and it's things are extremely hated by the people in Iran, the nationalist fever in the country and the fear that the ultimate goal of the US is not to get rid of the mullahs but to do the same they did with Yoguslavia and Iraq and take over Iranian oil is helping the criminal regime of IRI to ride this wave and destroy any chance for a peaceful transition of IRI into democratic regime.

The goal of this administration, as well as the wast majority of the democrats in the house and senate is not to free the people of Iran, but to remove the last possible resistance against their total dominance of the energy from the Middle East.

Even though IRI is a criminal and un-democratic regime, it is much more 'democratic' t than countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, Kuwait and other allies of the United states.

Any attack against Iran, will only create more tension in an already explosive region and will have extremely dangerous side effects for all t eh countries in the region, such as Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE among others.

The only winner in this conflict is Israel, who will receive more money from the US government (who is borrowing this money) and will benefit by selling much more military equipment back to the US and at the same time, they will see their arch enemy being "wiped off the map" and will take advantage of the situation to humiliated and destroy more rights of the Palestinians in the name of "fight for their survival" and "war on terror".

Question is, are the American public ready to pay for this? With the oil closing to $100/barrel even before the attack against Iran and the US national debt closing to $9000 billion, YOU the people are the one who are going to suffer for the consequences of this war, maybe short term your government will win, but in the long run, YOU will be the ones suffering from the earthquake that follows the fall of IRI.

Best regards,
/Farhad Abdolian
http://www.abdolian.com/thoughts

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Class nationalism, corporate fascism, Zionism are products of oligarchies
Posted by: Perfectclue on Nov 1, 2007 4:16 AM   
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If you haven't figured it out yet, all those same class liberals, idiots, who think that the democrats will not appease corporate despotism, imperial nationalism, will once again be surprised that the democrats, with their own neocons, zionist thugs, will vote for the illegal invasion of Iran, especially if it is by Israel.

Strategically, because of the class link, class ideology of liberals, conservative thugs know they can rely on the democrats to join forces as a unified shcck and fascist force, as they already have demonstrated with their votes for dictatorship, denial of habeus corpus, failure to uphold the constitution, international laws, and obstructionist tactics by Pelosi to fail to impeach.

The vote for the disgusting, warmongering, Iranian resolution by Lieberman and the democrats, along with the advance green light Pelosi gave to Bush to invade Iran, by removing the authorization, Congressional right to declare war, against Iran is but yet antoher form of corporate corruption, class ideology, class imperilalism that unite the class elites, and their two parties together through hierarchies linked to the oligarchy. Democrats are the worst Zionist supporters of all and their hypocrisy, double standards, class standards reeks.
It is criiminal, and they too should be added on to the list of impeachment.

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Preemption
Posted by: PJT on Nov 1, 2007 4:27 AM   
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It is true, the Preemptor in Chief has been doing a lot of preempting during his term. He has preempted human rights, separation of powers, separation of church and state, rule of law, Geneva Convention, and treaties to which the United States is a party. He has preempted the sovereignty of independent state, freedom of the press and freedom of assembly. For hundreds of thousands he has preempted the inalienable right to live, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I would say he is on a roll. Now watch how the attack on Iran after the primaries are settled causes the Middle East situation to "spiral out of control", so that the presidency spirals right back into the control of the war mongers and mega-billionaires. This morning Norwegian Brent is selling at over $95. After Iran commits the outrage of disrupting the flow of "our oil" after we nuc their industrial infrastructure (after destroying their offensive military capability) the price will be $195. The chaos that causes will be the birth mother of the "permanent GOP majority" that King Karl failed to achieve by the sham of elections. Wait.

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» RE: Preemption Posted by: thekidde
What are we doing about Israel's nuclear arsenal?
Posted by: robchapman on Nov 1, 2007 4:32 AM   
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The headline around this article states that Israel has 200-300 nuclear bombs in its arsenal.

Why hasn't the Alter-Net or other outlets focussed on the destabilizing effect the Israeli arsenal has on the Middle East?

Is it because we expect the Israelis to use these weapons?

Iran is the nation in the Middle East with the most people, the clearest sense of national destiny, the most fungible resources and one fo the best educated populations.

Given its size and resources, it seems inevitable that Iran will become the leading regional power.

This has nothing to do with Islamic fundamentalism, western decline or anything else of that sort. Iran's potential to dominate the mideast is simply a function of the Hobbesian calculus of power.

The US has seen Irael as its "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the Middle East for far too long. In their dealings with Egypt and Jordan, the Israelis have shown that they are capable of caring for their own interests through peaceful relations with the Arabs.

America has shown that its interest is oil. We manipulate and bully the Arabs, Persians and Israelis to assure they are weak so we can have unimpeded access to mid east oil.

Islamic countries have no industry or economic development. That is because we take their oil and use it for our purposes. OPEC remains dependent on us for food, manufactured goods and skilled labor. Their unemployment rates and lack of opportunity are the sources of the social alienation behind most of the bad things we see in that region.

An American policy that respected the Islamic states, encouraged the development of their economies and most importantly, stopped playing one against the other to assure US dominance, would go a long way to reducing tensions in this region.

American voters would do well to forget Bush and to focus on

* an energy policy that gets us out the Middle East;

* a development policy that assists the Middle Eastern countries in using their oil for their domestic economic development;

* and domestic policies that repair our shattered democratic institutions and restore America as a force for what is good here and abroad.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» What planet are you on? Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» On intellectual honesty, cont'd Posted by: Joshua Holland
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Attacking Iran for Israel
Posted by: ehsan on Nov 1, 2007 4:47 AM   
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No one can comprehend such an act of madness.But under the Bush and Cheney administration anything is possible.And what is shocking indeed is the silence of 300 million americans who are willing to watch such acts of horror as we witnessed in the Shock and Awe drama that the world has continued to witness during the past 5 years.This horrid act is being done in the name of democracy, human rights and peace.shame on such leadership and the people whom they reprsent.Shame.
But this time it would be different.The US and her protege would come to grief not experienced before.Iran is not at fault and it is not Iraq under Saddam.

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We are blind
Posted by: robchapman on Nov 1, 2007 4:50 AM   
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Dear Mr. Abdolian;

thank you for your comment and the remarks clarifying the history in the Gulf.

Unfortunately, we have no vision of a future and peaceful Middle East. As I wrote in a following comment, a Iran will inevitably be the leading country in Middle East.

The current American Administration is different from past ones primarily in their brutality and their willingness to use brute force.

It is apparent that no oil producing country has achieved the level of economic development needed to feed and employ its own people.

This is because the G-8 countries have pre-empted them for the use of oil, the energy source of industrial development.

We have taken their oil and sold them consumer goods, the same way we did the Indians, the Chinese and the Africans.

We have also sold OPEC the military hardware needed to create surveillance states throughout the middle east.

In my opinion, the way out is to diversify our energy sources, for the g-8 to work on exporting capital tools instead of consumer goods and military hardware, and to extend OPEC credit to develop their economies.

Such policies may well force g-8 to accept a lower growty horizon, but the payback may well be greater domestic support for economic, social and political equity in our own countries.

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» RE: We are blind Posted by: farhada
Time for another American Revolution
Posted by: wawa on Nov 1, 2007 5:09 AM   
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; [and] to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; and, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to ALTER of ABOLISH it. -July 4, 1776. The Declaration of Independence




Israel's 40 years of Military Occupation, blatant disregard for International Law and USA's blind allegiance to the ONLY country in the ME with WMD is the destabilizing force in that entire region.

I have been 5 times to OPT since June 2005,

I have interviewed democratically elected members of Hamas, Number Two man in the underground resistance movement of Fatah in Jenin,

Stood up with Anarchists Against the Wall and broke bread with Muslims in 'Holy' Land refugee camps.

I video taped the whistle blower of Israel's WMD's, Vanunu, who has been sentenced to 6 more months in jail for his 2004 interviews given after his release from 18 yrs. in jail-most all of it in solitary.

His appeal fighting for FREEDOM OF SPEECH begins Nov. 13, 2007.

Vanunu, 2006:


"The Dimona is 46 years old; reactors last 25 to 30 years. The Dimona has never been inspected and Israel has never signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty but all the Arab states have...Twenty years ago when I worked there they only produced when the air was blowing towards Jordan ten miles away. No one knows what is happening now.

"The Israelis have 200 atomic weapons and they accuse the Palestinians and Muslims of terrorism. The world needs to wake up and see the real terrorism is the occupation and the Palestinians have lived under that terror regime for 40 years.

"Israel propaganda portrays all Palestinians as Muslim extremists and Hamas terrorists and neglect that Palestinian Christians are following the true message of Jesus Christ with nonviolent resistance.


"It's very sad that Hilary Clinton went to the Jewish Wailing Wall and forgot the real crying wall is the Palestinian wall...the apartheid wall... the wall is not for defense, but to keep this conflict permanent...


"Israel is only a democracy if you are a Jew."



Much More in "30 Minutes with Vanunu" FREELY Streaming on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» Are you seriously... Posted by: BTDT
Time for military
Posted by: Nick on Nov 1, 2007 6:02 AM   
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to take everything in their own hands

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The problem is NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Posted by: snideelf on Nov 1, 2007 7:16 AM   
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In an ideal world, no country should have nukes.
Yet, I see no country making a move to reduce or eliminate nukes.

If Israel already has nukes, then that little country can defend itself without U.S. intervention.

The problem would be the nuclear fallout from those Middle Eastern countries who build and then decide to use nuclear weapons.

Then we would see a serious thinning of the human herd all across the globe from the effects of radioactive nuclear fallout making millions sick and eventually dying.

Doesn't anyone today remember what happened to the people of Japan after nukes were dropped on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

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Iranian is a nationality not an ethnicity
Posted by: DesertStone on Nov 1, 2007 9:19 AM   
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On a side note I’ve see a lot of this remark lately “Iranians are Persians” which is somewhat true. Half of the Iranian population is Persian. The rest of the population includes Turks, Arabs, Jews and various others. On the other hand Afghanistan and Tajikistan are almost entirely Persian. It could be helpful to know the Iranian population is fairly diverse.

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It's the other way around, stupid
Posted by: caducus on Nov 1, 2007 9:38 AM   
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Do you really think the US provides Israel's entire military budget just b/c of the Zionist lobby? The US isn't going to war for Israel, Israel is going to war for the US. Think of Israel as a proxy state, if you will. Sure, there are plenty of greedy bastards in charge, but don't let that fool you. As closely allied as the US is with Israel, it would just be TOO convenient of there were an attack on Israel that could be attributed to Iran SOMEHOW. Oh darn, we would just have to rush in to protect our allies, and if they were blown to smithereens oh well, we would still have to wipe out the aggressor state responsible for such an atrocity.
Have you read the recent reports from CNN and The Guardian on peak oil? With prices set to skyrocket even further, there are two tactical options for the US in positioning itself in the global economy of the future; either we drop everything and devote ourselves to an enormous effort in pursuing the development of alternative energy, or we go and grab up the vast majority of the world's oil fields (what's all of this oil doing outside of our borders anyway?)
Wars are fought over resources, period.

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IMPEACHMENT - THE POWER RESTS WITH THE PEOPLE
Posted by: twamp on Nov 1, 2007 9:55 AM   
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DENNIS KUCINICH is sponsoring bill hr. 333 to impeach Cheney. There is a voice in Congress that is tyring to stop this and that voice belongs to someone who just so happens to be running for President. Now it's up to us to put pressure on our reps to jump on the bandwagon.

WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. ONLY THE PEOPLE CAN STOP THIS RUN AWAY TRAIN!

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IT'S THE OIL, STUPID
Posted by: AlohaTerry on Nov 1, 2007 10:12 AM   
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If Big Oil and Government spent even a small percentage of their budgetary resources on the development of Alternative Energy (like Hydrogen Fusion), the vicious cycle of War for Peak Oil would be over quickly, and we could truly live in Peace.

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» RE: IT'S THE OIL, STUPID Posted by: richholland
» RE: IT'S THE OIL, STUPID Posted by: higginslads
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Israel holds 200-300 nuclear weapons ?????
Posted by: james2021 on Nov 1, 2007 10:41 AM   
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What does Israel need 300 nukes for. For a Doomsday machine, ala Dr. Strangelove. Where did they get the material and know how. This opens up even greater avenues for investigation.

As a signatore of the nuclear non profileration treaty, It had better not have been the US.

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ZIONISTS AND AMERICA
Posted by: karim29007 on Nov 1, 2007 12:01 PM   
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IS ZIONISM THE ENEMY WITHIN?
A particular close and independent observation search to find the underlying reasons for all the bloodshed and destruction that has occured recently in the Middle East , comes up with a positive answer.
WHY?
Once the zionist entity was installed in the region, a very rapid expantion in its territory and growth in population was essential to its survival.
The occupation and annexation of the Arab's home lands inconjunction with the application of genocide to its inhabitants and to be replaced by the jewish setllers has almost finalized the first phase, almost because the said policy still is underway.

NEXT: Domination of the regon. Again the Americans had to be put to work to do the "dirty job."
HOW?
1-By supplying every POSSIBLE FINANCIAL AND MILITARY MEANS INCLUDING THE NUCLER WEAPONS.
2-Installing and maintaining corrupt arab regims in the area as well as SWINDLING their natural resources and feeding it back to the zionists.

WHAT IS THE PLAN NOW?
To break-up the region into SMALL AND FRAGMENTED CANTONS FOR PERPETUAL CONFLICT AND HENCE EASY DOMINATION.

WHO is paying for all these?
Let us take a stock:
a) THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS HAVE DIED, SO FAR.
b) MORE THAN A MILLION IRAQIS HAVE BEEN MURDERED WITH DAILY GENOCIDE IN PALASTINE.
c) ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS IRAN IS CONCERNED.
d) AIPAC with hundreds of millions of dollers will continue to dictate the AMERICAN'S WAY OF LIFE and that includes the internal as well as its external foreign policy, if you could call it policy!
e)AMERICA HAS ZIONIST PROBLEM AND AS LONG AS THIS PROBLEM PERSISTS MILLIONS MORE WILL DIE JUST TO SATIFY THEIR THIRST FOR BLOOD AND DESTRUCTIION
f)THE CHENEY/BUSH WILL CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF ZIONIST IN TEL-AVIV AND THE U.S. REGARDLESS.

With the Congress powerless, the CONSTITUTION IS BEING USED AS A TOILET PAPER by the said regime, the American people must take direct action to stop this madness AND THE TRIAL OF THE WAR CRIMINALS.

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» RE: ZIONISTS AND AMERICA Posted by: solrev
REVOLT
Posted by: Tanvir37 on Nov 1, 2007 12:19 PM   
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Syria, like Iran, might be a threat to the world if they attain nuclear weapons. The question is how do we stop them and should we (the U.S) stop them? This may be a wishful thought but I hope the Middle East can police themselves. Something like Estonia’s Singing Revolution may be a way to deal with this. I just saw a website about it – http://singingrevolution.com

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What about the Saudi nuclear program? Why is that not a topic of discussion?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 1, 2007 12:22 PM   
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Here it is:
Saudia Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help -
03.28.2006,


"BERLIN (AFX) - Saudi Arabia is working secretly on a nuclear program, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reported in its latest edition, citing Western security sources."

"It says that during the Haj pilgrimages to Mecca in 2003 through 2005, Pakistani scientists posed as pilgrims to come to Saudi Arabia."

"Between October 2004 and January 2005, some of them slipped off from pilgrimages, sometimes for up to three weeks, the report quoted German security expert Udo Ulfkotte as saying."

"According to Western security services, the magazine added, Saudi scientists have been working since the mid-1990s in Pakistan, a nuclear power since 1998."

"Cicero, which will appear on newstands tomorrow, also quoted a US military analyst, John Pike, as saying that Saudi bar codes can be found on half of Pakistan's nuclear weapons 'because it is Saudi Arabia which ultimately co-financed the Pakistani atomic nuclear program.'"

"The magazine also said satellite images indicate that Saudi Arabia has set up a program in Al-Sulaiyil, south of Riyadh, a secret underground city and dozens of underground silos for missiles."

"According to some Western security services, long-range Ghauri-type missiles of Pakistani-origin are housed inside the silos."

See the more recent article:
Gulf Arabs offer to provide uranium to Iran: Thu Nov 1, 2007

Quite frankly, ex-CIA analyst Mr. McGovern is, in this long-winded article, entirely ignoring a very fundamental component of the current nuclear situation in the Middle East! Now, why is that?

Let's look at McGovern's bio: McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85 when he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for the President, the Vice President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet and National Security Advisor. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) for President George H.W. Bush.

And we are supposed to believe that he is now a "political activist?" He knew all about U.S. financing for Iraq's WMD programs in the 80's under Reagan - he must have been deeply involved in all of that. He talks a lot about "the corruption of honest intelligence" - but really - is he claiming that intelligence was "honest" during his years with Reagan and HW Bush?

Quote:"DONALD RUMSFELD: My words -- my words were -- no, no, no, wait a minute! Let him stay one second. Just a second.

RAY McGOVERN: This is America, huh? Go ahead.

DONALD RUMSFELD: You're getting plenty of play, sir."

Indeed. And yet Mr. McGovern has never discussed his knowledge of how the U.S. built up Saddam's chemical and biological warfare capacities during the Iran-Iraq War. Somehow, I find that to be a bit bizzare.

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» I've posted this so many times... Posted by: asilsfable
Iran: USA/Israel Trying to Force Nuke Development for Self-Defense
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 1, 2007 12:51 PM   
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What this is all about is Iran being forced and cajoled by the USA/Israel to develop nuclear weapons for self-defense. AND, it is so bad, that Bush is almost forcing the Iranians to do so. After all, THEY MUST have nukes. Of course, this then is the pretext for the attack/invasion Bush et al is planning. But, this time, Bush really wants to FIND SOMETHING afterwards. Iraq was already a big fiasco, what do the Repubs. do after this one? The bottom line, Iran won't play ball in Bushes world order. Which requires first of all, unconditional acceptance of Israeli military and nuclear supremacy in the region. What other reason to go after Iran anyway?

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QUICK, we need another war to save the tanking U.S. economy
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Nov 1, 2007 2:24 PM   
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A news story you won't hear much about on CNN or ABC...

"Fed pumps $41B into US financial system"

The Federal Reserve pumped $41 billion into the U.S. financial system Thursday [November 1st, 2007], the largest cash infusion since September 2001, to help companies get through a credit crunch.

[http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8SL1QGO2.htm]

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Likely Scenario
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 1, 2007 5:23 PM   
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Israel attacks Iran, with or without provocation, with conventional weapons. Iran retaliates. The US attacks Iran "in defense of Israel and in the interest of peace", as usual.
We're off to the races again.

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» RE: Likely Scenario Posted by: werewolf
ICH
Posted by: werewolf on Nov 2, 2007 9:15 AM   
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Dear Readers, you can find the same article at the link given below with 94 comments as of now.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18645.htm

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DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR THIS AND WHAT
Posted by: Turkiye on Nov 2, 2007 4:23 PM   
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do you know about this? From the Jerusalem Post, they said that the September 6, 2007 attack on Syria's nuke site was actually the USAF, with the use of Israeli F15 and F16 fighters as cover.
They said that the USAF had one each, tactical nuclear weapons on board. That one was used on the Syrian nuke site.
Got this info on Commondreams.org but we all do not know what or whom to believe.
The Post said it was on the Al-Jazeera website. I searched Al-Jazeera English but could not find a thing.
Anyone with a site to confirm, please reply. Thanks.

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» I'm thinking... Posted by: BTDT
...and Mr. Holland
Posted by: werewolf on Nov 3, 2007 1:30 AM   
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the original post was regarding the passage from the poster robcahpman given below:

"Why hasn't the Alter-Net or other outlets focussed on the destabilizing effect the Israeli arsenal has on the Middle East?

Is it because we expect the Israelis to use these weapons?"

You started to state that you have published several articles criticizing about Israel. I have no dispute about that. The dispute is about the lack of focus on the DESTABILIZING EFFECT the Israeli (Nuclear) arsenal has on the Middle East.

So tell me how you were not yourself weaving and shifting all the time (the same charge you levelled against me without any shred of evidence) to defend your stance?

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Attacking Iran for Israel?
Posted by: flymulla on Nov 3, 2007 10:48 AM   
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Attacking Iran for Israel?
And that is democary?

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US Naval War College experts claim, France gave Israel nuclear technology in 1949.
Posted by: yellow on Nov 3, 2007 5:43 PM   
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The French began to help the Israelis develop nuclear technology in 1949. They, not the US, were Israel's supplier of all manner of weapons technology, including nuclear weapons, and build their airforce until 1967 with several generations of Dassault Mirage fighter jets. The Phantom replaced the Mirage. After the 1967 War France cut off Israeli arms assistance. During the 1982 War in Lebanon relations with France hit a new low when the French threatened to down Israeli fighter Jets if they threatened UNIFIL forces in Lebanon.

The US support came only after the 1973 War. Until then it was mostly France.

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THE GLOBAL CALIPHATE OF THE OIL OLIGARCHY EXTREMISTS
Posted by: lrrysgl on Nov 3, 2007 11:16 PM   
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While the neocons attempt to keep us in constant fear of a Caliphate spanning the Middle East, the REAL danger comes from the wet dreams of the oil oligarchy to maintain and expand ITS Caliphate over the world's resources.

As General Smedly Butler said in August 1931 to a stunned American Legion audience:

"I spent 33 years...being a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City (Bank) boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street...In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested...I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions...I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities...The Marines operated on three continents..."

How many people know that in October 1940, as German and Japanese troops were marching to Europe and Asia, a group of prominent government officials, business executives, and bankers was convened by the U.S. State Department and the Council on Foreign Relations to discuss U.S. strategy? They were concerned with maintaining an Anglo-American "sphere of influence" that included the British empire, the Far East, and the Western hemisphere. They concluded that the country had to prepare for war and came up with "...an integrated policy to achieve military and economic supremacy for the United States."

Of course, they didn't want to say this publicly, as a private memorandum between the Council on Foreign Relations and the State Department (1941) reveals:

"If war aims are stated which seem to be concerned solely with Anglo-American imperialism, they will offer little to people in the rest of the world...The interests of other peoples should be stressed...This would have a better propaganda effect."

WWII, as we all know left the U.S. in a position of political economic and military superiority.

"We must set the pace and assume the responsibility of the majority stockholder in this corporation known as the world."

- Leo Welch, former Chairman of the Board, Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon) 1946

1948 Internal document by George Kennan written when he was head of the State Department:

"...we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population...In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world benefaction...We should cease to talk about vague and - for Far East – unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

Meanwhile, the Pentagon, the CIA, the British Parliament, the U.S. Army War College have all come out with reports saying, in essence, we are hated in the Middle East for our policies - not our way of life. What a shock.

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Attacking Iran for Israel?
Posted by: opeluboy on Nov 6, 2007 6:20 PM   
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Short answer: yes. Just like we did in Iraq. Just like the Israelis and American Zionists would love for us to do in
Syria as well. And Lebanon. And Saudi Arabia. And Egypt.

They have a long list.

What is Iran's biggest crime? What is the one thing we constantly hear about Ahmadinejad? He doesn't believe the Holocaust happened and wants to "wipe Israel off the map."

Excuse me, but how does any of that affect me?

The first nono, that Ahmadinejad is at worst a Holocaust denier and at best a revisionist, means not a goddamn thing to me. Who gives a fuck if he believes it or not? Is that a reason to launch a horrific, certainly catastrophic war?

Yes, if you are an American Zionist like Podhoretz or Lieberman or a member of AIPAC or any other right-wing Zionist group forging US foreign policy at our expense.

The second issue, that (the utterly powerless) Ahmadinejad wants to "wipe Israel off the map" is now universally understood to be an intentional mistranslation, but that will not stop our American Zionists, neocons and other treasonous pieces of shit from repeating it ad nauseum. And even if he did really, really want this, could he do it? With Israel boasting 300 nukes to his zero? Please.

Of course we are being told that we must attack to prevent Iran from acquiring nukes, and if that lie doesn't work, because Iran is killing GIs. So far 200 of them. Were this true (and it is unproven), I would still say that is not a good enough reason to launch a war that will ruin us and a good part of the world for years.

But I'm not a Zionist.

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516. Iran war next stage (10/23/07)
Posted by: kathaksung on Nov 7, 2007 4:45 PM   
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In early October, there was a summit of Caspian Sea states. The leaders of other Caspian Sea states ruled out any military strikes on Iran from their region. Russian President Vladimir Putin also made clear to Washington on 10/16 that Russia would not accept military action against Iran.

Putin visited Iran in Mid October and met with Iran's supreme leader Khamenei on 10/16. Putin offered a special proposal to Khamenei. The special offer, must relate to a nuclear deal.

Recently, Russia didn't play friendly to Iran. U.N. Security Council has imposed limited sanction on Iran. Russia voted yes. In the project of Iran's first nuclear power plant, Russia delayed the construction and delayed the supply of fuel, attributed all these to payment problem. Iran denied the accusation, said payment were on time, that Russia was just bowing to West pressure.

In the crisis of July to September, (the plot of Iran war justifying by a false flag nuclear attack in US, marked with 8/30 accident of "mistaken loading nuclear missiles on a B-52") Iran felt the approaching war threat from the US and made a compromise by accepting U.N. nuclear inspection in July. It was the time Iran needs the help most. None of the Caspian sea states and Russia gave a word. Why do they suddenly change the direction of 180 degree now?

I think it is a plot continue to the 8/30 plot. After the false flag nuclear attack went soured, Feds set up another trap for Iran. The fishing pole is Russia, the bait is "to finish the construction of the nuclear power plant on schedule", possibly with the permission of "production of highly enriched uranium" which can be used in nuclear weapon. Once the fish bite that special offer, the war will break off. What Bush needs is a justification.

To push Iran to bite the bait, a group of swindlers play a soap opera. Bush threatens World War 3 if Iran goes nuclear, to make Iran think that it belongs to a group. (The word "World War" is particularly selected because it means there are two camps, not two states) Caspian Sea states and Russia made Iran feel it is supported by a group. To create a safe feeling for Iran to accept that special offer.

Whether the fish will bite the bait, we don't know. But one thing is sure: when wolf wants to eat a goat, it will always find a justification. Either it's for "WMD", for "democracy", or for "your security". When Bush asks for more money from Congress, it's not for maintenance of troops in Iraq. It's for Iran and Syria war. And American people must prepare for a "dirty bomb" attack from their own government.

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