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Ask the Candidates: Will They Cut a Bloated 20th-Century Military Budget?

By Jack Shanahan, AlterNet. Posted September 20, 2007.


Want to invest more in education? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Candidates are looking at trimming the Cold War relics in the military budget.
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In the arcane world occupied by defense budget analysts, a remarkable development is occurring in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Presidential candidates are talking about cutting Cold War relics from the defense budget, a move that could save tens of billions of tax dollars that are badly needed for schools, renewable energy, international development, and more.

You might think that no candidate, other than Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Sen. Mike Gravel, would dare mention a wasteful weapons system to be axed, for fear of being sledge-hammered with the "weak on defense" canard.

But a handful of prominent Democrats have had the guts to name specific systems that should be cut, and this could set the stage for a debate about defense spending that America has sorely needed since the end of the Cold War.

The issue first bubbled up to the national stage during the June 3 Democratic presidential debate in Manchester, N.H., when Wolf Blitzer followed up on a question from the audience.

Sen. Barack Obama first talked about his support for the troops, but then he said, "There's a difference between the Pentagon budget and the size of the military. So it may be that, for example, there are weapons systems that Dennis [Kucinich] and I would agree are outmoded relics of the Cold War."

Sen. Chris Dodd, when pressed by Blitzer to name a specific weapons program he'd cut, said, "Clearly, we've got systems here -- the F-22 (fighter jet) we're looking at, for instance, other things that ought to be reassessed in terms of whether or not they fit into the 21st-century military needs of our nation." This type of exchange about obscure Pentagon systems turned the heads of defense budget mavens, who probably dismissed it as an anomaly.

But the issue has come up repeatedly on the campaign trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, even among top candidates.

John Edwards, who has been leading the Democratic field in Iowa, for example, will recite a litany of Pentagon programs -- from missile defense and new nuclear bombs to fighter jets and space weapons -- that are unnecessary.

His cuts potentially add up to about $17 billion annually, which, if spent outside the Pentagon, would be more than enough money to provide annual health insurance to the 9 million American kids who lack it, or save 6 million kids each year who die of hunger-related disease in impoverished countries.

Gov. Bill Richardson, who's in the No. 4 position and rising in Iowa, has called for a 10 percent defense-budget cut, including an end to the V-22 Osprey, an airplane-helicopter hybrid and golden goose for defense contractors.

Richardson's 10 percent cut in annual Pentagon spending, which devours half of Congress' discretionary budget each year, translates into $50 billion.

For perspective, with that amount of money, America could increase the federal budget for renewable energy by over 25 times, putting us on a realistic trajectory to cut oil use in half and achieve energy independence in less than a decade.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Sen. Mike Gravel would go the farthest among the presidential candidates. Both support the Common Sense Budget Act, introduced by Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., which would transfer $60 billion from the Pentagon budget to other priorities, like schools, healthcare and humanitarian foreign aid. Most of the $60 billion would come from trimming obsolete Cold War systems, and Kucinich frequently illustrates his arguments about skewed federal priorities with examples of Cold War Pentagon spending.

Sen. Joe Biden will also denounce, among other things, waste on the F-22, a plane designed to fight Soviet jets that were never built.

Unfortunately, Democratic favorites Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama talk much like the Republican field. They refuse to name even one specific Cold War weapons system that they'd ax. They both promise a review of the Pentagon budget, for what that's worth. The best Clinton and Obama can do is promise not to build a new generation of nuclear weapons, a pledge that's important but almost completely insignificant in the current budget. As the presidential campaign becomes more intense, Democratic candidates who've already named Cold War systems may go further and call for a serious purge of Cold War waste, in an effort to win the support of Democratic caucus-goers and primary voters who are following this issue in Iowa and New Hampshire, thanks in part to local activists who are pushing the issue on the candidates.

And Clinton and Obama, as the clock ticks and their campaigns fight it out, may feel the pressure to advocate cuts in Cold War weapons as well.

After all, with the Iraq war in a quagmire and the federal budget deep in the red, what do these candidates have to lose by calling for cuts in weapons that are completely useless against modern threats?

They might take heat from defense contractors, but they'd surely be lauded by caucus-goers in Iowa who understand that national security for the 21st century must include a military that doesn't reward waste.

And if candidates can score some political points in Iowa and New Hampshire for advocating defense cuts, maybe they'll find the spine to make the utterly reasonable argument that building weapons to fight the collapsed Soviet Union is senseless.

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Jack Shanahan is former commander of the U.S. Second Fleet.

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Do The Math
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 20, 2007 12:58 AM   
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Factor 1- We have 2,685,713 men and women serving in the Active, Guard and Reserve forces today.
Factor 2- The DoD is one of the largest employers in our nation, with civilians outnumbering military at many bases and installations throughout the DoD.
Factor 3- The DoD is probably the largest contractor in the World, employing a vast army of civilian contractors.

Problem- This massive force is struggling to sustain an operational deployment of just over 150k in Iraq and a maybe Divisional sized force in Afghanistan.

I have yet to hear a member of either party in either House of Congress or any Presidential candidate ask how this can be. It sounds like a bloated, inefficient and highly ineffective operation. As a veteran, I know it is. Our nation, it's citizens and the people who serve deserve better. Much better.

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» RE: Do The Math Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Alternet is afraid of RON PAUL Posted by: Joshua Holland
» vote MIKE GRAVEL for president! Posted by: inotheyare
They're all the same
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 20, 2007 2:42 AM   
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The Republicrats ain't gonna do anything, cutting Pentagon spending just translates to 'weak on defense' in election time rhetoric. It would take a real maverick, and a vet at that, that could get away with making sensible and substantial cuts in defense spending, even though untold billions are being wasted constantly. Maybe Hagel is positioning himself for a run (Unity ticket?), he is the only Repug that even might consider a sensible look at it, and I know what a leap of faith it is to even think that....since after one-party rule I have ruled out ever voting for a Rethuglican (I actually ruled that out years ago). I could stand a pug like Hagel, if the dems had a veto-proof majority. Those are the kind of checks and balances I could live with. As for the running 'crats, no one out there does a thing for me (Biden, anyone?). We should go off the board and draft someone, I'll even take Gary Hart at this point.

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Why bother?
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 20, 2007 5:47 AM   
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Everyone else is already DIGGING IN!

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» Including... Posted by: TT5
The eagle folly
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 20, 2007 5:54 AM   
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Each time you get one of these birds ready to fly, your enemies will have already found a way to counter them. It happened with the F-22, and it will eventually happen with the F-35, by the time you get it off the garage and on to mass production that is;) What a waste of money;=))

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» RE: The eagle folly Posted by: TagsNOLA
» RE: The eagle folly Posted by: newtype_alpha
The elephant in the room....
Posted by: johnshadows on Sep 20, 2007 7:03 AM   
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Defense spending is the sacred cow of the corrupt federal government. The article discusses the plans of these candidates to cut the military budget, but doesn't go into the practical difficulties of doing so. The military is a major employer, especially in the South, and the congressmen and senators from these states are going to fight any reductions tooth-and-nail. I've seen this happen in South Carolina, where there were full-scale lobbying efforts to head off any base-closings. In the Senate, the dynamic is much like it was in the slavery era, where a coalition of Southern and Western Senators bond together, this time to protect their access to military money and new land for drilling and strip-mining.

I do agree with the premise of the article, though - military spending is a waste, and doesn't even live up to the hype of 'protecting our interests abroad'. For example, we spend 30 billion dollars a year 'maintaining stability' with a fleet in Asia, on the general grounds that we have long-term economic interests in the region. Well, how's that working out? We have a 40 billion dollar monthly trade deficit with China, as they re-stock the shelves at Wal-mart and Best Buy. Toyota is the best-selling car brand in America. These countries can afford to maintain their own stability. We're providing corporate security for the Dole fruit company in the Philippines, to protect them against Abu Sayyaf. They should pay for their own. And I guess I can just say 'Halliburton' without going into too much detail.

It's about priorities - Bush and the Republicans want us locked onto a track where you can't even mention cutting the military . The author is correct - we need to open the topic and talk about resetting the priorities - alternative energy and health care especially. Because the way of the gun isn't fleshing out.

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Could someone please point to the periods in this nation's history that we have...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 20, 2007 7:22 AM   
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...cut the budget?

Could someone point me to a person other than (the most likely unelectable) Ron Paul who would try?

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» Realism isn't defeatism... Posted by: ABetterFuture
Good start, but where do we go from here?
Posted by: baugh on Sep 20, 2007 10:43 AM   
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Great topic for an article - it urgently needs to be addressed. But I was surprised it doesn't specifically mention the budget numbers, which is what it's supposed to be about, right?

Fiscal Year 2008 (Starts in October)
* Defense Department: $481.4 billion
* Energy Department nuclear weapons programs: $20.8 billion
* Total: $502 billion

Actually, that's just a bare minimum number; you can jack it up quite a bit by including other programs such as veterans' care, foreign military aid and training, interest on the portions of the national debt borrowed for military purposes, etc to $600 billion or so. Then there's ... um ... oh yeah, the wars! Against terror! They cost a couple million or something -- but they're "emergency" and "supplemental" so we don't need to consider them.

Keep in mind that 7 years ago the military budget was under $300 billion. The run-up in costs is jaw-dropping ... and yet it hasn't seeped into public consciousness. So the article title advises us to "Ask the Candidates." Well I wholeheartedly agree with Jack Shanahan on that, but he doesn't get around to answering the crucial "How?"

Being aware of the problem is the first step I guess. Then what? Ask questions at rallies? Get into one of the primary debate audiences? Call local campaign headquarters with pointed questions? Write letters to the newspapers? How much impact can we have? I don't think it's impossible but don't call me optimistic.

What I suggest is that next time any of us is about to hand over $100,000 or more in bundled campaign contributions to a candidate, ask about his/her stance on escalating military spending. If you don't find the answer good enough, walk away. That'll teach 'em!

Hey, where's Bob? This would be the perfect spot for plugging campaign finance reform.

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Short answer
Posted by: bobbquakenbush on Sep 20, 2007 10:51 AM   
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No.

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Imagine if the military operated efficiently:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 20, 2007 12:26 PM   
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What are the actual salaries paid to military servicemembers? Military pay tops out at $85,000 (very few people) and the average seems closer to $35,000-$40,000 a year. That means that about $392 billion a year out of that $500 billion is given to defense contractors.

Most businesses have labor costs as about 65% of their total costs - that's typical. The military has labor costs as about 22% of their total costs - that's fraud, corruption and waste on a massive scale! Amazing.

Even if we're generous, and say that the military labor costs should only be 50% of their total costs, that means that the military budget should really only be about $216 billion - freeing up around $300 billion for other uses!

Can you imagine if a quarter of that was given to say, building renewable energy systems for all government buildings?

Just to show how rotten this is:

In comparison, private contractors in Iraq (truck drivers for KBR, for example) get a starting salary of $100,000. KBR takes a percentage above this salary as profit - for every contractor they hire, they get more profit. For every truck abandoned in the desert, they get more profit. That's where the billions delivered to Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, etc. are going.

See http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/dubai.html

Halliburton is moving to UAE at a time when it is being investigated in the U.S. for bribery, bid rigging, defrauding the military and illegally profiting in Iran. It is currently in the process of divesting all of its ownership interest in the scandal-plagued KBR subsidiary, notorious for overcharging the military and serving contaminated food and water to the troops in Iraq.

Although Halliburton will still be incorporated inside the United States, moving its corporate headquarters to UAE will make it easier to avoid accountability from federal investigators. The company has proven adept at using offshore subsidiaries to circumvent restrictions on doing business in Iran and to elude responsibility for paying benefits to former employees.


Corruption in government contracting practices is probably the most widespread phenomenon in the United States - from Iraq to Katrina to local city, county and state governments, the game is always the same.

It's just a massive ripoff of the public - wealth is being pumped out of the pockets of the middle class and into the hands of a few politically connected firms (every single Iraq contract recipient was a major Republican donor for the past ten years), while the country's infrastructure and social services are allowed to collapse. It's just incredible - and yet the corporate media will barely discuss the topic, because they're involved in the corruption as well.

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Why have a standing Military at all?
Posted by: EJW on Sep 20, 2007 1:29 PM   
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Please refer to:

Eisenhower Farewell Speech

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I DAMN SURE WOULD
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 20, 2007 1:53 PM   
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I run under a 'draft me' banner. Why? The real election system is a bust. Frought with corrupted machines and electoral delegates. Fact is WE the People, want Peace. We need it as much as we need air. Trouble is we've made our economy run on the Gov't/Industrial/Defense Complex. A system that at it's heart says' Let's make some killing things and find someone to use them on'. The Navy used to tell us sailors that 'The idiots have made nukes,you can damn sure count on them trying to use them'.
As evidenced by Russia,any country that spends half to nearly half of it's budget on 'defense' will come down. We spend half,we're doomed to failure or should I say Karmically predestined to self destruct.
Fact is we never thought to become a World Player until Roosevelt handed the running of the country over to the Industrialists to get us out of the depression. By becomming 'Top Producer' we yearned to become a super power. As a superpower we've been acting like a drunken egotist with a loaded gun demanding our way.
A true superpower never needs to lower itself to petty warfare because inherant in being a 'super' power comes the ability to settle disputes without violence,secret prisons,or 'inhanced interrogations'. We are a far better people than this.
If the 'armies' we sent around the World were doctors,engineers,farmers and tradespeople,we'd have much better 'street cred' with the rest of the World. That would cost about half of what Defense costs now and be a thousand times more effective than any cruise missle. Factor in the reality that no one is too willing to battle with someone that has just saved your ass and you have the makings of a truly Peaceful World.
At another time in human history there were civilizations that lived in Peace. In Peru 5,000 years ago, Caral, existed in Peace and Fair traded with it's neighbors for nearly a thousand years. Proof we can do it. We must teach Peace to not only the children but ourselves too.
We could get there by being equitable in all our dealings. Regardless of race,economy,or Faith. When we realize it's far better to extend a hand in Friendship then to blow off an arm,we'll be on the right track.
When we realize the power of Love is better than the Love of Power,then we'll have Peace. Jimi said that 40 years ago. It's still true and I'm the only candidate that would use that as a working model.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez.
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7

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Support Kucinich
Posted by: opeluboy on Sep 20, 2007 6:52 PM   
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This is one of the reasons I have financially supported Kucinich's campaigns. His 15% Pentagon budget cut would be painless and would provide the needed funds for complete single-payer healthcare and more, without raising our taxes. The military would not feel this cut, we would not be less safe (we would still be spending more than every other nation combined) and it would allow us to preserve something worth protecting.

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Why be afraid of Ron Paul?
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 21, 2007 4:53 AM   
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He is irrelevent.

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Huge organizations
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 26, 2007 9:17 AM   
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All huge organizations are inherently inefficient. The DOD, which is really the WAR Department, is obviously the worst. Total waste of money on numerous duds. The list of crap would take a book - probably several volumes. Vanguard, Osprey, TFX (F111), B58, Aluminum superstructure on Navy ships - Aluminum burns! Indiscriminate use of Depleted Uranium - half-life of 5000 years.
Take the FBI. They missed the WTC hijackers. If Kazinsky's family hadn't turned him in, the FBI would still be looking for the Unibomber! How about Eric Rudolph? Massive FBI manhunt couldn't find him. He was caught by a local rookie policeman! Not to mention the FBI man who was a Russian spy for more than 20 years!
Take the CIA. Who's Castro? Never predicted the failure and breakup of the vaunted Soviet Union. Aldrich Ames, long time CIA man, and long time Russian spy. Anything happening on the African continent. Never predicted the Iranian seizure of the US Embassy in Teheran. Iraq's seizure of Kuwait. Missed the boat on changes in South America.

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