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Six Years After 9/11, Why We're Losing the War on Terror

By David Cole and Jules Lobel, The Nation. Posted September 11, 2007.


How Bush & Co. have taken the U.S. from being the object of the world's sympathy to the object of their scorn.
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President George W. Bush is fond of reminding us that no terrorist attacks have occurred on domestic soil since 9/11. But has the Administration's "war on terror" actually made us safer?

According to the July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, Al Qaeda has fully reconstituted itself in Pakistan's northern border region. Terrorist attacks worldwide have grown dramatically in frequency and lethality since 2001. New terrorist groups, from Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia to the small groups of young men who bombed subways and buses in London and Madrid, have multiplied since 9/11.

Meanwhile, despite the Bush Administration's boasts, the total number of people it has convicted of engaging in a terrorist act since 9/11 is one (Richard Reid, the shoe bomber).

Nonetheless, leading Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton claims that we are safer. Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani warns that "the next election is about whether we go back on defense against terrorism ... or are we going to go on offense." And Democrats largely respond by insisting that they, too, would "go on offense."

Few have asked whether "going on offense" actually works as a counterterrorism strategy. It doesn't. The Bush strategy has been a colossal failure, not only in terms of constitutional principle but in terms of national security. It turns out that in fighting terrorism, the best defense is not a good offense but a smarter defense.

"Going on offense," or the "paradigm of prevention," as then-Attorney General John Ashcroft dubbed it, has touched all of us. Some, like Canadian Maher Arar, have been rendered to third countries (in his case, Syria) to be interrogated by security services known for torture.

Others have been subjected to months of virtually nonstop questioning, sexual abuse, waterboarding and injections with intravenous fluids until they urinate on themselves. Still others, like KindHearts, an American charity in Toledo, Ohio, have had their assets frozen under the USA Patriot Act and all their records seized without so much as a charge, much less a finding, of wrongdoing.

In the name of the "preventive paradigm," thousands of Arab and Muslim immigrants have been singled out, essentially on the basis of their ethnicity or religion, for special treatment, including mandatory registration, FBI interviews and preventive detention. Businesses have been served with more than 100,000 "national security letters," which permit the FBI to demand records on customers without a court order or individualized basis for suspicion.

We have all been subjected to unprecedented secrecy about what elected officials are doing in our name while simultaneously suffering unprecedented official intrusion into our private lives by increased video surveillance, warrantless wiretapping and data-mining. Most tragically, more than 3,700 Americans and more than 70,000 Iraqi civilians have given their lives for the "preventive paradigm," which was used to justify going to war against a country that had not attacked us and posed no imminent threat of attack.

The preventive paradigm had its genesis on September 12, 2001. In Bush at War, Bob Woodward recounts a White House meeting in which FBI Director Robert Mueller advised that authorities must take care not to taint evidence in seeking 9/11 accomplices so that they could eventually be held accountable. Ashcroft immediately objected, saying, "The chief mission of US law enforcement...is to stop another attack and apprehend any accomplices ... If we can't bring them to trial, so be it."

Ever since, the "war on terror" has been characterized by highly coercive, "forward-looking" pre-emptive measures -- warrantless wiretapping, detention, coercive interrogation, even war -- undertaken not on evidence of past or current wrongdoing but on speculation about future threats.

In isolation, neither the goal of preventing future attacks nor the tactic of using coercive measures is novel or troubling. All law enforcement seeks to prevent crime, and coercion is a necessary element of state power. However, when the end of prevention and the means of coercion are combined in the Administration's preventive paradigm, they produce a troubling form of anticipatory state violence -- undertaken before wrongdoing has actually occurred and often without good evidence for believing that wrongdoing will ever occur.

The Bush strategy turns the law's traditional approach to state coercion on its head. With narrow exceptions, the rule of law reserves invasions of privacy, detention, punishment and use of military force for those who have been shown -- on the basis of sound evidence and fair procedures -- to have committed or to be plotting some wrong.

The police can tap phones or search homes, but only when there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the search is likely to find evidence of the crime. People can be preventively detained pending trial, but only when there is both probable cause of past wrongdoing and concrete evidence that they pose a danger to the community or are likely to abscond if left at large. And under international law, nations may use military force unilaterally only in response to an objectively verifiable attack or threat of imminent attack.

These bedrock legal requirements are a hindrance to "going on offense." Accordingly, the Administration has asserted sweeping executive discretion, eschewed questions of guilt or innocence and substituted secrecy and speculation for accountability and verifiable fact. Where the rule of law demands fair and open procedures, the preventive paradigm employs truncated processes often conducted in secret, denying the accused a meaningful opportunity to respond.

The need for pre-emptive action is said to justify secrecy and shortcuts, whatever the cost to innocents. Where the rule of law demands that people be held liable only for their own actions, the Administration has frequently employed guilt by association and ethnic profiling to target suspected future wrongdoers. And where the rule of law absolutely prohibits torture and disappearances, the preventive paradigm views these tactics as lesser evils to defuse the proverbial ticking time bomb.

All other things being equal, preventing a terrorist act is, of course, preferable to responding after the fact -- all the more so when the threats include weapons of mass destruction and our adversaries are difficult to detect, willing to kill themselves and seemingly unconstrained by any recognizable considerations of law, morality or human dignity.

But there are plenty of preventive counterterrorism measures that conform to the rule of law, such as increased protections at borders and around vulnerable targets, institutional reforms designed to encourage better information sharing, even military force and military detention when employed in self-defense.

The real problems arise when the state uses highly coercive measures -- depriving people of their life, liberty or property, or going to war -- based on speculation, without adhering to the laws long seen as critical to regulating and legitimizing such force.

Even if one were to accept as a moral or ethical matter the "ends justify the means" rationales advanced for the preventive paradigm, the paradigm fails its own test: There is little or no evidence that the Administration's coercive pre-emptive measures have made us safer, and substantial evidence that they have in fact exacerbated the dangers we face.

Consider the costliest example: the war in Iraq. Precisely because the preventive doctrine turns on speculation about non-imminent events, it permitted the Administration to turn its focus from Al Qaeda, the organization that attacked us on 9/11, to Iraq, a nation that did not.

The Iraq War has by virtually all accounts made the United States, the Iraqi people, many of our allies and for that matter much of the world more vulnerable to terrorists. By targeting Iraq, the Bush Administration not only siphoned off much-needed resources from the struggle against Al Qaeda but also created a golden opportunity for Al Qaeda to inspire and recruit others to attack US and allied targets. And our invasion of Iraq has turned it into the world's premier terrorist training ground.

The preventive paradigm has been no more effective in other aspects of the "war on terror." According to US figures, international terrorist attacks increased by 300 percent between 2003 and 2004. In 2005 alone, there were 360 suicide bombings, resulting in 3,000 deaths, compared with an annual average of about ninety such attacks over the five preceding years. That hardly constitutes progress.

But what about the fact that, other than the anthrax mailings in 2001, there has not been another terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11? The real question, of course, is whether the Administration's coercive preventive measures can be credited for that.

There were eight years between the first and second attacks on the World Trade Center. And when one looks at what the preventive paradigm has come up with in terms of concrete results, it's an astonishingly thin file.

At Guantánamo, for example, once said to house "the worst of the worst," the Pentagon's Combatant Status Review Tribunals' own findings categorized only 8 percent of some 500 detainees held there in 2006 as fighters for Al Qaeda or the Taliban. More than half of the 775 Guantánamo detainees have now been released, suggesting that they may not have been "the worst of the worst" after all.

As for terror cells at home, the FBI admitted in February 2005 that it had yet to identify a single Al Qaeda sleeper cell in the entire United States. And it hasn't found any since -- unless you count the Florida group arrested in 2006, whose principal step toward an alleged plot to blow up the Sears Tower was to order combat boots and whose only Al Qaeda "connection" was to a federal informant pretending to be Al Qaeda.

The Justice Department claims on its website www.lifeandliberty.gov to have charged more than 400 people in "terrorism-related" cases, but its own Inspector General has criticized those figures as inflated. The vast majority of the cases involved not terrorism but minor nonviolent offenses such as immigration fraud, credit-card fraud or lying to an FBI agent.

The New York Times and the Washington Post found that only thirty-nine of the convictions were for a terrorism crime. And virtually all of those were for "material support" to groups labeled terrorist, a crime that requires no proof that the defendant ever intended to further a terrorist act. While prosecutors have obtained a handful of convictions for conspiracy to engage in terrorism, several of those convictions rest on extremely broad statutes that don't require proof of any specific plan or act, or on questionable entrapment tactics by government informants.

Many of the Administration's most highly touted "terrorism" cases have disintegrated after the Justice Department's initial self-congratulatory press conference announcing the indictment, most notably those against Capt. James Yee, a Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo initially accused of being a spy; Sami Al-Arian, a computer science professor acquitted on charges of conspiracy to kill Americans; Muhammad Salah and Abdelhaleem Ashqar, acquitted in Chicago of aiding Hamas; Sami al-Hussayen, a Saudi student acquitted by an Idaho jury of charges that he had aided terrorism by posting links on his website to other sites containing jihadist rhetoric; and Yaser Hamdi, the US citizen held for years as an enemy combatant but released from military custody when the government faced the prospect of having to prove that he was an enemy combatant.

The Administration recently managed to convict José Padilla, the other US citizen held as an enemy combatant, not for any of the terrorist plots against the United States that it once accused him of hatching but for attending an Al Qaeda training camp and conspiring to support Muslim rebels in Chechnya and Bosnia before 9/11.

Overall, the government's success rate in cases alleging terrorist charges since 9/11 is only 29 percent, compared with a 92 percent conviction rate for felonies. This is an astounding statistic, because presumably federal juries are not predisposed to sympathize with Arab or Muslim defendants accused of terrorism. But when one prosecutes prematurely, failure is often the result.

The government's "preventive" immigration initiatives have come up even more empty-handed. After 9/11 the Bush Administration called in 80,000 foreign nationals for fingerprinting, photographing and "special registration" simply because they came from predominantly Arab or Muslim countries; sought out another 8,000 young men from the same countries for FBI interviews; and placed more than 5,000 foreign nationals here in preventive detention.

Yet as of September 2007, not one of these people stands convicted of a terrorist crime. The government's record, in what is surely the largest campaign of ethnic profiling since the Japanese internment of World War II, is 0 for 93,000.

These statistics offer solid evidence to support the overwhelming consensus that Foreign Policy found when it polled more than 100 foreign policy experts -- evenly dispersed along the political spectrum -- and found that 91 percent felt that the world is becoming more dangerous for the United States, and that 84 percent said we are not winning the "war on terror."

It is certainly possible that some of these preventive measures deterred would-be terrorists from attacking us or helped to uncover and foil terrorist plots before they could come to fruition. But if real plots had been foiled and real terrorists identified, one would expect some criminal convictions to follow.

When FBI agents successfully foiled a plot by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (popularly known as "the blind sheik") and others to bomb bridges and tunnels around Manhattan in the 1990s, it also convicted the plotters and sent them to prison for life.

In October 2005 Bush claimed that the United States and its allies had foiled ten terrorist plots. But he couldn't point to a single convicted terrorist. Consider just one of Bush's ten "success" stories, the one about which he provided the most details: an alleged Al Qaeda plot to fly an airplane into the Library Tower, a skyscraper in Los Angeles.

The perpetrators, described only as Southeast Asians, were said to have been captured in early 2002 in Asia. As far as we know, however, no one has ever been charged or tried for this alleged terror plot. Intelligence officials told the Washington Post that there was "deep disagreement within the intelligence community about ... whether it was ever much more than talk."

A senior FBI official said, "To take that and make it into a disrupted plot is just ludicrous." American officials claim to have learned about some of the plot's details by interrogating captured Al Qaeda leader Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, but he was captured in 2003, long after the perpetrators had been arrested.

As the Los Angeles Times put it, "By the time anybody knew about it, the threat -- if there had been one -- had passed, federal counter-terrorism officials said." These facts -- all omitted in Bush's retelling -- suggest that such claims of success need to be viewed skeptically.

If the Bush strategy were merely ineffectual, that would be bad enough. But it's worse than that; the President's policy has actually made us significantly less secure. While the Administration has concentrated on swaggeringly aggressive coercive initiatives of dubious effect, it has neglected less dramatic but more effective preventive initiatives.

In December 2005 the bipartisan 9/11 Commission gave the Administration failing or near-failing grades on many of the most basic domestic security measures, including assessing critical infrastructure vulnerabilities, securing weapons of mass destruction, screening airline passengers and cargo, sharing information between law enforcement and intelligence agencies, insuring that first responders have adequate communications and supporting secular education in Muslim countries. We spend more in a day in Iraq than we do annually on some of the most important defensive initiatives here at home.

The preventive paradigm has also made it more difficult to bring terrorists to justice, just as FBI Director Mueller warned on September 12. When the Administration chooses to disappear suspects into secret prisons and use waterboarding to encourage them to talk, it forfeits any possibility of bringing the suspects to justice for their alleged crimes, because evidence obtained coercively at a "black site" would never be admissible in a fair and legitimate trial. That's the real reason no one has yet been brought to trial at Guantánamo.

There is debate about whether torture ever results in reliable intelligence -- but there can be no debate that it radically curtails the government's ability to bring a terrorist to justice.

Assuming that the principal terrorist threat still comes from Al Qaeda or, more broadly, a violence-prone fundamentalist strain of Islam, and that the "enemies" in this struggle are a relatively small number of Arab and Muslim men, it is all the more critical that we develop close, positive ties with Arab and Muslim communities here and abroad. By alienating those whose help we need most, the preventive paradigm has had exactly the opposite effect.

At the same time, we have given Al Qaeda the best propaganda it could ever have hoped for. Then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld identified the critical question in an October 2003 internal Pentagon memo: "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?"

While there is no precise metric for answering Rumsfeld's question, there can be little doubt that our preventive tactics have been a boon to terrorist recruitment throughout the world.

More broadly still, our actions have radically undermined our standing in the world. The damage to US prestige was perhaps most dramatically revealed when, after the report of CIA black sites surfaced in November 2005, Russia, among several other countries, promptly issued a press release claiming that it had nothing to do with the sites. When Russia feels the need to distance itself from the United States out of concern that its human rights image might be tarnished by association, we have fallen far.

In short, we have gone from being the object of the world's sympathy immediately after 9/11 to being the country most likely to be hated. Anti-Americanism is at an all-time high. In some countries, Osama bin Laden has a higher approval rating than the United States. And much of the anti-Americanism is tied to the perception that the United States has pursued its "war on terror" in an arrogant, unilateral fashion, defying the very values we once championed.

The Bush Administration just doesn't get it. Its National Defense Strategy, published by the Pentagon, warns that "our strength as a nation state will continue to be challenged by those who employ a strategy of the weak using international fora, judicial processes, and terrorism."

The proposition that judicial processes and international accountability -- the very essence of the rule of law -- are to be dismissed as a strategy of the weak, aligned with terrorism itself, makes clear that the Administration has come to view the rule of law as an obstacle, not an asset, in its effort to protect us from terrorist attack.

Our long-term security turns not on "going on offense" by locking up thousands of "suspected terrorists" who turn out to have no connection to terrorism; nor on forcing suspects to bark like dogs, urinate and defecate on themselves, and endure sexual humiliation; nor on attacking countries that have not threatened to attack us.

Security rests not on exceptionalism and double standards but on a commitment to fairness, justice and the rule of law. The rule of law in no way precludes a state from defending itself from terrorists but requires that it do so within constraints. And properly understood, those constraints are assets, not obstacles. Aharon Barak, who recently retired as president of Israel's Supreme Court, said it best in a case forbidding the use of "moderate physical pressure" in interrogating Palestinian terror suspects: "A democracy must sometimes fight terror with one hand tied behind its back.

Even so, a democracy has the upper hand. The rule of law and the liberty of an individual constitute important components in its understanding of security. At the end of the day, they strengthen its spirit and this strength allows it to overcome its difficulties."

The preventive paradigm has compromised our spirit, strengthened our enemies and left us less free and less safe. If we are ready to learn from our mistakes, however, there is a better way to defend ourselves -- through, rather than despite, a recommitment to the rule of law.

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Tough talk...
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 11, 2007 12:28 AM   
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» how to bilk the country out of $$$ Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
God Bless Alternet
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 11, 2007 1:29 AM   
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It is here we can find such insightful (inciteful?) articles and information that we just don't see in the MSM. I agreed with almost everything this article covered. I may not have the same kid glove treatment of suspected terrorists, but even those points were well taken. This intervention/occupation was the worst decision this country (read that Bushco) has done in my lifetime, although that Viet Nam thing was a close rival and at the moment was more costly in terms of American lives sacrificed, not that US lives are more special than others. We have yet to see the full cost of this blunder, which could yet achieve Biblical proportions. I want to be optimistic, but I fear it will take generations to see just how costly this Bush war will be. Nothing about it makes sense, unless someone is trying to fulfill fundamentalist prophecy.
To justify preventative war to this extent is absurd on its face, and such reasoning can be used to justify anything. But BushJr told us that we won't understand his actions for several decades, so let's be patient and see.
When asked by Woodward if he consulted his father before taking his country into Mesopotamia, he said he consulted a 'higher Father'....Someone should have reminded him that the God of Jesus would have reminded him "Blessed are the peacemakers", he must have skipped that chapter, along with the parts that say 'The meek shall inherit the Earth' and "They who take the sword shall perish by the sword". What part of Christ's teachings does Bush follow? Oh yeah, it's found in Luke 12:51, "Do you suppose that I came to bring peace on Earth? Nay, but rather division". Some uniter-not-a-divider he is....yeah, he united the world against us.
Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride...

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» And Bushco united... Posted by: bob t
This Is Only Going To Get Worse
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 11, 2007 1:33 AM   
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And now, on top of everything else, this half-witted, incompetent, murderous bastard in the White House is gearing up for an attack on Iran. Does he really believe he can do it without the constitutionally mandated congressional approval? His past arrogance is undisputed proof that he does, indeed, think he can. The signs are all there. As Frank Rich pointed out in the New York Times on Sunday, They are repeating the scam they produced five years ago with all of the phony "intelligence" regarding Saddam Hussein's mythical WMD program.

Where does that leave us? Certainly the Democrats have got to show some courage and stand up to the First Fool. Will they finally do it? I am only cautiously optimistic. Every time I ask myself why I left that worthless party almost ten years ago, they cheerfully remind me. Have not one of these cry babies ever even heard of John F. Kennedy's Pulitzer Prize winning 1956 book, Profiles In Courage??? One has to wonder.

Let's not get fooled again (Not that I ever was). If this administration proceeds with its obvious plan to attack on Iran (congress be screwed) a show of national outrage and defiance should immediately take hold. This is our country! We need to take it back from these criminal chicken hawks. The time has come to stand up and stand this country on its head.

Let me say it for the umteenth time: George W. Bush is going to die in federal prison. I promise you that.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Neo-con think
Posted by: mizipi on Sep 11, 2007 1:34 AM   
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Surely, every person wrongly imprisoned is a victim of terrorism. Every innocent person who has lost their life and/or home in Iraq and Afghanistan is a victim of terrorism. Those who died in NYC six years ago were victims of terrorism.

Those who cause the terrorism are cowards, afraid of truth, justice, liberty and democracy. Lies now out-weigh logic. Fiction is reported more than fact.

Though there is some talk about troop reductions in Iraq, why is no one talking about reducing the number of paid contractors and mercenaries?

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The war on terror is a hoax.
Posted by: justaguy on Sep 11, 2007 2:42 AM   
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And the neocons are winning.

They're nuts, but they're not incompetent at all. Everything is going to plan.

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» BINGO Illiteratilumen! Posted by: dover23
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» It all goes back to 9/11 Posted by: leafsong1
Another Ignorant American Rant
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Sep 11, 2007 3:56 AM   
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Though in the main this article is a very good one, the prime reason why the world is fast turning against the US is NOT just because you have an ignorant President, it is because your people, and not just those that voted for him, including the two writers of this article, are ignorant.

"Meanwhile, despite the Bush Administration's boasts, the total number of people it has convicted of engaging in a terrorist act since 9/11 is one (Richard Reid, the shoe bomber)."
And
"That's the real reason no one has yet been brought to trial at Guantánamo."

Have you never heard of David Hicks? He spent five years in G'tmo and was put on what your military call a trial, where he was found guilty and sent back here to Australia to finish his sentence. He will be released in November this year, and for what. Even the US prosecutors had trouble trying to find charges against him, but charge him they did.
I plead and beg you America, it is not your idiot Presidents or Congress that is worrying the world, it is the idiots and morons that think they know what the world is thinking who live in your country. Educate yourselves to the real world, not the self made one.
Alternet, surely you can find articles that can assist your poor readers to educate yourselves. Then we won't have American Presidents calling APEC, OPEC, Australia, Austria, and not even being able to pronounce Jamar Islamir.

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"war on terror" is indeed as big a Farce as the 911 sting that cooked it
Posted by: Aramis on Sep 11, 2007 4:02 AM   
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Virtually nothing about this conflict is what it seems as two-faced pitchmen at the corporate media toss fuel on another very profitable Orwellian war to ever weirder and bloodier heights for the usual suspects.

Even the way this column IDs and frames its subject is improbable. Seems any resistance hither and yon to corporate conquest of foreign lands must be due to so-called “al-Qaeda” that was originally foisted together by CIA and western elites.

Beyond the natives there, how does anyone really know what and who these resisters from the Mid East and Eurasia are? Does anyone that fights western Big Oil interests automatically qualify as “terrorists” that somehow carry “al-Qaeda” ID badges?

This is absurd.

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THE WAR WILL END WHEN SIEBOL EDMONDS AND JEFF FISHER TESTIFY
Posted by: AMERICANPATRIOTJEFFFISHER on Sep 11, 2007 4:12 AM   
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My name is Jeff Fisher and I write Peace plans and end Apartheid
in Israel forevermore.

Zionism is going to cease to exist since I will be America's First
Secretary of Peace under the guidance of President Albert Arnold Gore
Jr and Vice President Cynthia McKinney prayerfully by October 1st,
2007. This is called Constitutional Crisis.


If you want the war to end PLEASE tell the world everywhere that Jeff
Fisher exposed Baypoint School that stole the 2000 United States
Election with help from the Israeli government to start with.


In 2003 I wrote two peace plans, one for Palestine and the other for
the reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland. I have since then
written several more.


The press knows who I am and they would rather see death and
destruction then peace.


They are controlled and must be stopped.


BayPoint School is also the key to September 11th, 2001.


Just Google my name with Al Gore to get started.


Tell the whole world now what is being distributed everywhere by
volunteers.

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JEFF FISHER
AND
FBI TRANSLATOR
SIEBOL EDMONDS
ARE TESTIFYING AGAINST
VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B CHENEY
WITH LEGAL COUNSEL OF
PATRICK J FITZGERALD
REGARDING
THE AMERICAN TURKISH COUNCIL
AND IT'S CONNECTION TO
BAYPOINT SCHOOL AND AIPAC

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT
ROGER RANCOURT AT
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THE CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS IS
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Karl Rove is gone
Alberto Gonzales is gone
Homeland Security Director
Michael Chertoff is next along
with Vice President Richard B. Cheney

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» ... president al gore... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Bush just doesn't get it???
Posted by: pete ess on Sep 11, 2007 5:03 AM   
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Or maybe he does. If your goal is to foment war, maybe he gets it real good. I don't buy the "Bush is dumb" bit. Evil? Yes. Mad? Yes. Clinically achieving a goal so evil that many just refuse to believe it possible? Yes. But dumb? And even if he does actually happen to be dumb, his minders are getting him to dance EXACTLY as they want him to - and that ain't dumb. Chilling? Yes.

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THAT DAY and This 9/11
Posted by: wawa on Sep 11, 2007 5:17 AM   
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THAT DAY and This 9/11

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

When President Bush went on TV and told we the people to "GO SHOP!" And that "They hated us because we were free!"

I did NOT react with FEAR, but curiosity, and wondered if 'They' hated us so much to target and murder innocent people had something to do with Americans mindless over consumption of the world's resources and apathy towards the poor and oppressed.

Up until THAT DAY we call 9/11, I was your typical self-satisfied, self-centered, uninformed, misinformed comfortable American.

THAT DAY, changed everything and began my search to learn WHY do some people in the world hate us so much that they could target and murder innocent people.

I learned PLENTY!

And being a Christian of The Beatitudes; one who follows what the Master taught was non-negotiable;

That to be forgiven; you must forgive!

That to follow him meant you must pray and bless and love your enemies!

And that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God,

And so, I was led to the Interfaith non-profit Olive Trees Foundation for Peace, founded by a 1948 refugee from the Galille, Dr. Khaled Diab and to journey 5 times to Israel Palestine, for all roads lead to Jerusalem...

Sept. 11 WAWA Blog:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

CHAPTER 10:
THAT DAY
excerpted from KEEP HOPE ALIVE

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The Answer To Rummy's Question
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 11, 2007 5:55 AM   
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We are most certainly creating FAR more terrorists than we are killing . How many of those wrongly imprisoned at Abu Gharib who were since released will become Terorists
and how about those 300 or so released from Gitmo . They might not have supported the terrorist cause BEFORE but after their unjust treatment they probably will NOW
The other obvious point is that as John Kerry pointed out it is good police work that prevents terrorist plots . Witness the events in Great Britain .
If I hear ONE more MORON claim that Bush' s strategy is working because we have NOT been attacked since 911 I will go postal ( with apologies to our hard working Postal Employees ) . It took 8 years between the first and second WTC attacks .Of course had the "Decider" bothered to read that Aug 6 PDB and actually DO something other than continue clearing brush perhaps the results might have been different

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Message from CIA's blow-back Bin Laden
Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 11, 2007 6:10 AM   
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Look,
Posted by: paschn on Sep 11, 2007 6:14 AM   
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Saying we're losing the war on terror is like,... well like saying Bush et al are "missing" the point,.. are simply "wrong".... We ARE the war on terror! Our disgusting pandering to the terrorist nation of Israel, our mindless support to a country whos only claim to fame is their political and religeous control over the Evil Empire, ( insert U.S. here ). You heard Bin Laden say, stop supporting Israel's mass murder and acts of terrorism and there won't BE any war on terror. So, what do you bunch of sharp-toothed sheep do? You forge ahead. How DARE he tell US what to do!! No matter if it's TRUE or CORRECT... NO one tells the benevolent U.S. what to do! Most definately the people here.. They're too goddamn gullible to actually control their "knee walking" leaders, ( for lack of a better term ), when it's easier to simply do what your told, wrong as it is. So, mindless / spineless ones, gather your spawn and get set for the NEXT "pre-emptive" invasion of yet another tiny nation for the elite that rule your asses. Get the blood off of those car-ass signs you relish. The ones saying "support our troops". Wipe it off so all can read them clearly, fall in to formation. Go murder millions more and assuage your selves with the thought that you do what's right. Yeah, you bet.

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Why is Bin Laden still alive!!!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 11, 2007 6:49 AM   
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I can find agreement with alot of this article..but I do not agree with the point that we need to be on the defensive only... the best defense is a good offense..

We need to be actively seeking out Bin Laden & co... we need better immigration policy, we need to do alot of things better and respect the people of this country..not trample on their right, to living a safe live for fear of offending terrorists.

Get Bin Laden, what ever it takes, fix Iraq into a stable country free from outside influences such as Iran and then get out!

Unfortunately we seem to be on a track of a permanent presence in Iraq as a way of facing Iran and protecting oil supplies.. Any wonder why Iran is playing a big part in supplying weapons and technology that is resulting in many US deaths!

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THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR AND THERE NEVER WAS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 11, 2007 7:24 AM   
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It's a name given to the impetuous actions of a boy-president doing what his father's friends tell him to do. They had to call it something. 6 years of the frightening actions of our leaders followed by some high IQ people rationalizing what just happened. Then comes yet another tell all bare the soul book.Sadly Gen. Petraeus disgraced himself yesterday. Did he remember his obligation to his troops in battle? Guess not. It's about the boy-president. Thanks, ANNA

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America's license to kill began way before 9/11
Posted by: Lector on Sep 11, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Six Years of 9/11 as a License to Kill? No, more like decades of an aggressive American foreign military policy, ever since the Americans came up with the concept of Manifest Destiny. It’s in our DNA and all American presidents no matter which party they come from have been trapped in history and it finally came home to roost with the 9/11 event. Now even many Americans hate America. Not the America of the people, but Corporate America who has bought the government and taken over the media.

Corporations are the only ones that enjoy representation by the Congress (who are just lackeys for them). We are also the largest rogue state of all because we honor no treaties and spurn international courts and strike unilaterally wherever we feel like it.

Robert Lightfoot

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Any "War on terror" is self-defeating - failure to understand the basics issue
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 11, 2007 8:01 AM   
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Sigh.. another article that fails to examine history and motivation - such as US support for radical fundamentalist Islamic groups as an anti-Soviet force during the Cold War. Also, this stinker: "...coercion is a necessary element of state power." Nonsense!

Notice the failure to define terrorism. Let's try: 'acts of violence carried out by shadowy non-state actors who are difficult to retaliate against'?

So, you're going to respond to this with warfare? Bombing and invading oil-rich Middle Eastern countries and executing their leaders following sham trials that cover up U.S. involvement in arming those leaders?

Here's a question that the article doesn't bother to ask: why would someone engage in suicidial attacks like 9/11? What's their motivation? What does the world look like through their eyes? This is just standard profiling - the kind of thing FBI psychologists do.

Recently, Roy Eidelson posted this excellent film that discusses primary motivations of people: vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness.

Applying this to the 911 suicide hijackers, you have young men who are motivated by their sense of combating some injustice, an internal feeling that their culture is superior, deep distrust of the aims of Western governments (i.e. the Crusades), a feeling of helplessness to change the circumstances by non-violent action, all supported by a feeling of vulnerability that also tends to support violent actions ('while you still can').

That's just an idea as to how you might apply those concepts to analyzing the motivating factors behind terrorist assaults. A 'War on Terror' will only serve to increase those tensions, especially when it is so very obvious that this is mostly just cover for Western governments to come in and control Middle Eastern oil reserves. That's now a main recruiting theme for Al Queda and friends (distrust).

Now, if you really wanted to stop terrorism, you'd rely on diplomacy coupled with good faith moves like transfer of control of oil reserve to national governments rather than to international oil corporations (Believe me, they want to sell us their oil - but they want their fair share of revenues). You'd acknowledge that the Middle East has some very legitimate grievances against the West, and take some steps to alleviate those problems (i.e. pressure Israel to stop treating the Palestinians like a captive prison population and to end their apartheid system). You'd also push for democratic reforms in the monarchist Gulf States. Above all, you'd end the racist and bigoted attacks on Mideast culture and religion in the Western corporate press.

Taking such steps would completely undermine terrorist group recruiting strategies, which are all based on those five factors: injustice, superiority, vulnerabiltiy, helplessness and distrust.

However, I'm reminded of Colin Powell's statement during the Clinton years: "I'm running out of enemies!". The US military-industrial complex needs an external enemy to justify its continued existence as well as the grossly inflated military budget. That's right out of Orwell's 1984. Similarly, Osama bin Laden would be just another spoiled Saudi billionaire without his "Great Satan" to inspire his loyal followers. The conservative Iranian clerics who continue to fight democratic reforms in Iran rely on the US-Israeli alliance to maintain their grip on power.

This article completely ignores these basic and fundamental issues. It's like the Vietnam era, when 'liberal pundits' were complaining about inflated enemy 'body counts': "The Army says we're winning in Vietnam, but we're not"- while completely ignoring the historical background and the viewpoint of the Vietnamese people.

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TODAY IS A DAY OF PROPAGANDA
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 11, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Many things are dedicated and remembered, as the media and fascists want you to remember. These forces of distortion push their agendas as they insist they will be the ones to direct the destiny of mankind.

Only the truth is clear and instantly understood. But propaganda is hammered like a bent nail by the unskilled, hoping to correct or beat the lie into submission until the supporting structure must be literally cut out and replaced.

That supporting structure is the truth. It is we the real patriots that must skillfully expose and extract the lies and the liars, in order to keep truth the strongest force of civilization or all is lost.

Terrorism is a tactic or method, not an enemy. The enemy that will break US is inflexibility and arrogant stubbornness.
We the US can not and should not even try to "rule" the world, or impose our beliefs on the rest of the world, but to be diplomates of peace for all our mutual well being.

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What's the plan?
Posted by: willymack on Sep 11, 2007 8:14 AM   
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All right; maybe bush isn't such a fathead, or maybe he is and is expertly controlled by brilliant, albeit evil people in public and in the shadows. What's the end goal of the stolen "elections" of 2000 & 2004, the phony Iraq war, the phony "war on terror", the effort to eliminate all of our social programs, and keeping our citizens in the dark about what's REALLY happening? Why abridge or ignore our Constitutional guarantees for obscure reasons? Why feed the rich and steal from the (quickly vanishing) middle class to the point that it's obvious that continuation of our current economic policies will produce a new "Guilded Age", wherein there will only be the rich and the "rest of us" before long? What's the end goal of all this? Unless a major change takes place among our ignorant, indifferent, lazy, and uncaring populace, the end goal will become apparent in all its evil majesty, perhaps brought on by another 911,martial law, and the elimination of any and all pretenses that we live in a free country.

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We're losing the war, but Bush & Cronies are winning.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Sep 11, 2007 8:21 AM   
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Put this article together with the accompanying article/video
The CIA's Love Affair With Shock Therapy and you begin to see the real picture. America and the American people are just fodder for the ambitions of wood-be commercial world oligarchs.
As our economy is bled dry, they are simply moving on to "richer veins" elsewhere.

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Warrior Queen
Posted by: lunabella on Sep 11, 2007 8:41 AM   
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(From my Blog Site)

9/11/2007 - I Will Not Forget
Taking a few precious moments to upload New York photographs. I do not want to lose them. They mean too much, hold so much significance.

Amidst the fun and laughter, the sights and sounds of our favorite city in the United States, there held a theme. Dinner in Brooklyn with long-lost, but forever friends, was most certainly a highlight. Birthday on Mulberry Street, a dream come true. Being "tour guides" to our adult son...well, there are no words to express the delight in that experience. Witnessing a Yankee victory? It don't get much better than that.

Yet, we grew weary. We are older, now, and have been through so much in 5 years...the last visit. New York has become cleaner, pricier. There are scant signs of homelessness in the streets as we remember. The Club Scene, that we knew and loved is gone. Times Square is a shopper's Paradise. Trump Towers, so scary, looming over Columbus Square...what does the Donald think? Is he Superman?

But wait...

What about Ground Zero? What's with the rubble, still? Our visit to the WTC Museum certainly put a damper on our festive mood. One cannot help but cry. Cry, still. Cry, forever. The families of the lost cry in their own private way, each day, no doubt. A family NEVER forgets.

Have we forgotten them, too?

It has been six years today. Six years of grieving. As a nation, as a family, as a brother, sisiter, mother, father, son, daughter. We each grieve for our own. It IS personal. Death is always personal to someone, isn't it?

And what do we do when it's our own? Do we hide behind "busyness"? Do we gloss over the ugly and pretend we don't feel any pain? Do we argue and fight over HOW and WHO gets to pick out the Headstone? WHO gets to choose the appropriate Memorial? Do we put our heads in the sand and leave the decision to "someone who has more time"? How much time do we need to get over ourselves, anyway??

I will never forget my own brother, a Donald, too. His dying plea, "Please, don't forget me."

I made my Donald a promise. "We will NEVER forget you. THIS I promise you." It was the least I could do.

So, what about the U.S.? What about us?

Where is the Memorial...how long does it take? Tower of Babel, indeed. Come on, New York...

BRING IT ON!

We are ready to move forward. We are sick of FEAR. We are sick of WAR. We are so tired of waiting.

Hey, Mr. Trump...You got all that dough. Give a little up in the name of FREEDOM. In the name of FORGIVENESS. In the name of EVERYONE'S GOD...for God's sake.

Where, or where, have the flowers gone? Up someone's greedy ass, if you ask me.

Take a minute and think about the survivors of the most horrific experience our country has every suffered. Think about the babies, children, mothers and fathers of the people of Iraq, Africa, South America, Asia, India, inner-city Detroit and ALL that suffer, starve and die each day to satisfy the greedy and the Powers that Be. Think about the many, many people all over the World who are dying of AIDS while we send arms to kill more and more...ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD, if you are to ask our President and Power Holders all over the World.

What will it take? Do we all need to be Catholic? Christian? Moslem? Buddhist? Born-Again and Again and AGAIN...UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT???

Money = Power. That seems to be the theme in this equation. Get it?

It takes MONEY to make things right. It takes MONEY to see sights, to do good, to feed the hungry. I hate the thought of working so hard...but I know now what needs to be done.

It's a tough Life...gotta get back to work.

We love NY.

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War on (fill in the blank)...
Posted by: Trazom on Sep 11, 2007 9:45 AM   
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is codespeak for "We want to control something very important to us, because it is so very profitable."

Witness the War on Drugs. What has it done? Created an entire black market economy for the US, and helped fuel an enormous crime wave and increased weapons sales. Yet drugs are just as prevalent now as they were before this insanity.

Now we have the War on Terror. Can you guess what the results will be?

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We were never meant to win it......
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 11, 2007 11:09 AM   
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Get this straight...we're not in it to win it!! Our Gov't knew about the planned attacks and they let it go down. The folks they called 'enemy' were our pals while the Russian/Afgan War was brewing. Weapons is big business!! Weapons is how we make money. We sell metric tons of them all over the World. So why are'nt we winning?
The 'Terroeists' are a shadowy group. Not in yer face like we are. As a shadow group you can't win against it. They are always not where we think they are. Always just out of reach. Why? It works out better that way. You can have an 'endless war'. Which means record prifits to the industries that make killing devices,transport units,MRE's and coffins.
The real reason we're not winning......Wall Street won't stay above $12,000 a share.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez

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The real reason we are losing the war on terror!
Posted by: vomeggido on Sep 11, 2007 11:24 AM   
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Is because there is no terror- that we have not ourselves started. The only way to win the war on terror is to admit it doesn't exist or abolish all forms of currency and religion.

This is how they get us every time.

Fear.

We are at the top of the food chain- or are we?

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Sep 11, 2007 11:52 AM   
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Congress and the Admin are parts of the power elite, which wants wars. Wars are profitable and allow the masses to be tightly controlled. The new president will carry on much like the present one. Wars will continue.

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Fighting out amongst ourselves!
Posted by: vomeggido on Sep 11, 2007 11:53 AM   
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If you can make a Black Man look and act like a Nigger- then you have acquired a reason to not only hate him, but now he is a nigger and beneath contempt- so far beneath in fact that everything about him and how he came about is now beneath contempt- thus you are now able to bring his family into the equation and before you know it- there is a whole group of niggers to be hated and hurtful towards.

But get this- if the guy files charges on you for calling out the name nigger- he could win a huge discrimination settlement-now you have a rich nigger.

What changed? Nothing. Now there is just another reason for hating and now even more because the nigger has your money!

All of this happened because a human being was tricked into believing he was less than human by another human who heard it from another human who has money and supposedly means more than the two humans who are now arguing. He who has the most toys wins?

Meanwhile- the truth is, had these two people sat down and enjoyed a beer and a day at the beach together they would probably be the best of friends.

The base root of evil is hatred and hatred is spread most efficiently through fear. Fear is carried best through gossip, mis-information, propaganda and conspiracy. If these fail to convince then religion is brought in to cast the deciding vote as to whom GOD favors!

REFUSE THE LIE. CHOOSE FREE WILL FOR LOVE AND NOTHING ELSE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN.

There is no such thing as a NIGGER
There is no such thing as a SPIC
There is no such thing as a CHINK
There is no such thing as a KIKE
There is no such thing as a WHOP
There is no such thing as a FAGGOT

There are only men and women running around calling each other names that have nothing to do with a damn thing worth mentioning.

There are only people and if we don't get this simple concept- there wont be any name calling anymore.

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» RE: Fighting out amongst ourselves! Posted by: Missing Piece
Today is about September 11, 2001
Posted by: Reader11722 on Sep 11, 2007 12:20 PM   
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There's only one important question concerning the attacks, did the US gov't allow/participate in 9/11?

The answer to that query would explain the illegal wire-taps, suspension of habeas corpus, banning of books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, and multiple wars based on lies.

How can the gov't be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)?

In law, if you determine a person lies ONCE during his testimony, it can be assumed that he lied in the remainder of his testimony. How come we do not hold the gov't to the same standard as it holds us to?

The gov't lied to us about Iraq and more Americans have died there than in 9/11. If the gov't lied about Iraq then why is everyone so reluctant to believe that the gov't lied about 9/11?

Final link (before Google Books bends to pressure and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

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» RE: Today is about September 11, 2001 Posted by: Missing Piece
There is No War On Terror
Posted by: Polenium on Sep 11, 2007 12:56 PM   
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The WOT is an artifact created by the Bush administration and their servants in the Pentagon.
The reality based community needs to break itself of the habit of using right wing frames when discussing issues. You hand the idealogues your head on a plate when you do.
There is no enemy. There were some criminals who died in the attack. The organizers are still on the lose. Maybe some are in the White House, who, at the very least stood down, and allowed the attackers do their worst.
The WOT is meant to justify a global war for economic dominance and the draconian suppression of our civil rights.
These idealogues have stolen the right to attack any country at any time including the use of nuclear weapons.
Congress is complicit or it would have put a stop to this bloody exercise a long time ago.
That's what's happening. Now what are we going to do?

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TIME TO CHOOSE....RED PILL OR BLUE
Posted by: Missing Piece on Sep 11, 2007 1:29 PM   
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4 million iraq's are dead, missing or have fled the country and they say were losing. Way to go corporate media, not only are we winning the war but you have made it look like we are losing horribly.

Wake up ZOMBIES 9/11 was an inside job to get us into a resource war, and now that we are there no politician will ever leave. Why? Because we won't let them, Are you going to vote for a politician that lets gas go to 20.00 dollars a barrell?

te perfect storm has merged and the constitution is not going to survive it.

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/short-film

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2500924140588760933

http://reopen911.org/ .... click on the US IN FINANCIAL CRISIS LINK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cg3T4ZOruzU&mode=related&search=

google "ZEIT GEIST"

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War with Iran...summer 2008
Posted by: Trazom on Sep 11, 2007 1:29 PM   
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From CNN today:

"President Bush will tell the nation this week he plans to reduce the American troop presence in Iraq by about 30,000 by next summer, but will condition those and further cuts on continued progress, The Associated Press has learned.

The reductions envisioned by the White House mirror those proposed by Petraeus and would leave approximately 130,000 U.S. troops on the ground by August, roughly the same level that existed before Bush ordered the buildup early this year, the officials said.

The address will stake out a conciliatory tone toward Congress but Bush will place more conditions on the pace of reductions to the pre-buildup level of 130,000 than Petraeus did.

At the White House Tuesday afternoon, Bush met with House and Senate lawmakers of both parties and he publicly pledged to consider their input.

"It's very important before I make up mind that I consult with leaders of the House and the Senate," he said."

Two things to notice here (one must be inferred by reading in between the lines), and they are very interesting/distrubing. One is that he now wants to consult with the House and Senate before making his decision. Why? When has he ever cared what they thought before making a unilateral decision about Iraq? Is he possibly seeking some PR points, or is there something else to it? Second, and this is the less obvious one, if he will be placing additional conditions on troop reductions by summer 2008, incumbent upon any kind of "success", then does that necessarily imply that if the situation worsens there will be no reductions whatsoever? I fear that's what is implied here. In other words this is only a half-sided plan. What if the troops are met with failure? Perpetual war I guess.

How convenient that this works out to summer 2008. We have been hearing this for the past few years now. It just happens that summer 2008 is right before the general elections. Gee, wouldn't that be a good time to invade Iran! We'll have 30,000 troops ready to go if Iraq is a smashing success!

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» RE: War with Iran...summer 2008 Posted by: Missing Piece
Oh please, won't someone please give him a BJ...
Posted by: Moira61 on Sep 11, 2007 1:44 PM   
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so we can impeach him????

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To Fight Terror: Change America's Policies
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 11, 2007 2:45 PM   
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If America wants a truly safer world it starts with acting fairly and properly with other countries and peoples. To begin with, America's continuous and biased support of Israel creates a tremendous amount of tension in the Middle East. This American armed, nuclear state, has made refugees of over 1 million Palestinians. They are subjected to terrorism every day, they can be arrested, interrogated, tortured, and shot, at the whim of the Ireaeli government. But, the world does not seem to care. Next, USA support of dictatorial governments in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Now, we are told Libya "has changed," but it's government is no different. It's just that it's government now will kow-tow to the USA and her interests. To really fight terrorism, the USA should immediately be a true broker of peace in the world and the Middle East. It starts with fairly settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and no more guns and money to Tel Aviv. It starts with insisting all the governments (not just ones USA does not like) respect the rights and liberties of people. If this were to happen, then the world really would be a safer place. Otherwise the "war on terror" is just a joke.

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The end is near!
Posted by: govindas on Sep 11, 2007 6:21 PM   
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Soon,the heavy karma of this world will have to be paid:
Already many are heavily paying,through great sufferings,
Getting killed in war zones,getting seriously wounded..
Poisoned by depleted uranium contamination..
Receiving the body of a husband or son in a plastic bag,
As violence brings violence...
When on lives on violence,feeds oneself on slaughterhouse products..
It's sure that the end is approaching fast!
As collective karma will wipe out all the offenders..
Leaving the meek and the humble to inherit the planet...
The meek are respectful to all living entities and the Supreme Lord...
Feed themselves with pure vegetarian food...
And continuously glorify the Lord,in all circumstances...
They are among muslims,christians,jews and hindus....
http://krishna.com
http://islamveg.org
http://christianveg.org

Inch Allah-Alleluia-Hare Krsna!

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I challenge the first paragraph
Posted by: Free Truth on Sep 11, 2007 8:47 PM   
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The anthrax attacks were in October 2001. Why do David Cole and Jules Lobel for The Nation not mention this immediately? Why wait until page 2?

Is it because the anthrax was from a domestic source and were closely linked to the main attack of 9/11?

We have to be able to see how the pieces fit together.

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9/11
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 11, 2007 10:01 PM   
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11/22/63 and 9/11/01. If we ever learn the truth about either, there may be some hope for our national redemption. Neither will happen. Sleep in peace stupid America but on awakening be sure to post a Ten Commandments sign in your yard and hie to Ticksass for one of them plum-good border patrol jobs. Yeeeee god, there are so many furiners to kill.....what fun! And you know what, stopping it is "off the table" now and will remain so unless Dennis Kucinich or Bill Richardson find their way to the White House. That won't happen either and we will soon face another 9/11. I guess there is some solace to be found in continuity...Nah!

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The Nation needs to answer a few, and be left behind
Posted by: SJ on Sep 13, 2007 8:23 PM   
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The nation magazine for one barely even gave Cindy Sheehan a notice when she resigned from the democratic party. They had said, they would never endorse a pro war canidate , yet they publish a article when Scheehan stated she would run against Pelosi trying to hold Pelosi accountable , the Nations reply was please don't. It is obvious they have some serious duplicity issues to get worked out. I am very cautious of them and the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, ever since Human Rights endorsed Joe Lieberman when he ran as an independant, who has turned into a preemptive war supporter to attack Iran. His dual citezenship along with Chertoffs, I think could be done with out, and frankly I don't think they should be allowed to hold office, as to the possibilities of a conflict of interest , as most well read, have seen them being accused of. Just want to let a few readers know about these two popular left groups who, I think should be left behind.

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Were so smart were stupid!
Posted by: Krain61 on Sep 16, 2007 7:02 PM   
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Who's to say our Government boys didn't do the Anthrax scare?
They can charge a million people with a crime but does that mean
there guilty of the crime?
As far as Iran I think they already have the plans laid out and it's
just a matter of time.
I'm still wondering about the nukes!
I have these two friends which one of them hasn't worked in like 19 or 20 years
and he thinks everything bush has done is good for us.
And me and his Brother was talking or arguing and he thinks as long as we have
oil and other people die it's OK. I wonder where this country in going!
When these people who say they are Americans are willing to give up there rights
so easily and not caring who gets hurt as long as it aint them but I see in time the
head will rear up and bite them also..Or maybe it is but there to blind and numb
to feel or see it. But as they put it they watch the news on TV and as we all know
they sure would lie to us now would they?
I think if they attack Iran the "real shit will hit the fan"
I think Russia will take that as a threat and so will China since they both have interest
in that country. And if you think the terrist are pissed now that will only agravate it
ten or more fold! If dada keeps tis shit up he'll likely have his own people forming a
coup or there will be a revotl in the good ol USA finally.
Since 911 we have lots 1000's of jobs and wages are not getting better and prices are
jumping and that includes heat,gas.fuel,electric and our food. At some point the people
will have to come out of there coma's and start wondering what the hell is going on
here. But I'm guessing were not quite there yet! Most of the people I know think this
nut is doing good. Now my family is quite a different story since we have talked about
this shit since regan years. Alot of things I told them would happen are now at hand.
I also do not believe you'll ever get the spineless bastards in office to ever back the
people unless it's in there best interest meaning there pocket books.
And he should never go to federal prison! He should go to a regular prison like ordinary
people get because in a federal prison he'll be treated like a king.
We've had enough of king george!! The only peace george wants is a piece of this and
a piece of that but never peace!
And Mr Conservasaurus! You really think this is a war on terror or a war on gaining
control of oil! Maybe you was asked to give up your freedoms for security but I was
asked and wouldn't willing give it up. I would rather face them then this nut case!
You say some liberties! I guess you just haven't been paying attention lately!
"And I believe there will be terrorist attack..Dada will make sure of it!
They "prematurely" pulled out of Afghanistan because there was no objective there
in the first place, at least not the one we thought they had. "
Who is We? What you have a mouse in your pocket?
And about open Borders! How long has our Government been in excistence?
We have known all along that no country will be a soverien country without
proctecting it borders. I've known that since I was a child. But some of you want to
blame clinton and bush. It started many years ago. The first time they gave free
illegals a home it should of been closed right then not years later. I bet russia and some
of the other countries borders are tighter than ours.
And we are one bomb away from there new world order and those of you that back
these pieces of shit will wollow in there shit for years to come.
And now bush no longer needs to win a election because he has a alternet plan.
And mr squar head wasn't paying attention when speaker said impeachment was off

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part 2
Posted by: Krain61 on Sep 16, 2007 7:07 PM   
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the table within days of taking office. He was riding the little bus!

I hear people who are running for office taking about this and that but has any of them

been talking about repealing the patriot act or hebias corpus or anything else that was

stolen from us?

To vomeggido! I remember where I worked once where they would get rumors going

and get the people fighing among there selves. Yes they will devide and concer.

Because most are watching mindless shit on TV that don't amount to a hill of beans.

As long as they keep the people fighing among themselve there not bothering them.

They get people use to things slowly like there cameras and they say if you have

nothing to hide then they wont effect you. They started at banks and stores.

Now there on the highways and just about everywhere you are.

There put them where you work! I think mostly so if bush suceeds they will worry

aboutThe Federal Reserve owns us and they are for the most part not located in the USA.

I just wonder how people can pass this dream of owning the world down from

generation to generation without someone along the line waking up and saying this is

nuts. All the advances we have went through and for what? Self destruction?

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There is no "war on terror"
Posted by: johndoraemi on Sep 17, 2007 2:24 PM   
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An example, the latest from Crimes of the State Blog.

Orwell's Triumph - There is no van full of explosives reported at the George Washington Bridge.
 
There was never a van full of explosives reported at the George Washington Bridge.
A van full of explosives at the George Washington Bridge did not exist.
Crimes of the State Blog
 
The raison d'etre for the 9/11 Truth Movement in one easy step.
See Dan Rather CBS News on September 11th 2001
http://www.youtube.com/v/Up0Bvwwx9hA
Jerusalem Post,
September 12, 2001 (mirrored):

(08:45) Car bomb found on George Washington Bridge
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge connecting New York and New Jersey.
The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge.
Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.

You will not find one word about this incident in the 9/11 Commission Report, nor in the Congressional Joint Inqury.
Checkmate.
They have deliberately ignored perhaps the greatest smoking gun of September 11th. Perpetrators in custody by FBI. Explosives seized in the act of targeting one of New York's largest bridges ON SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001.
Then nothing. Complete and deafening silence. It disappeared from history.
Here is the transcript of Dan Rather's CBS report (on live TV to millions of viewers):

"Two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives were discovered around the George Washington Bridge. That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River. Whether the discovery of those explosives had anything to do with other events today is unclear, but the FBI, has two suspects in hand, said the truckload of explosives, enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge..."

Now, on what planet can this report just be ignored by a congressional investigation of 9/11, without any attempt to explain it whatsoever?
And all you smug blinders-on "debunkers" out there, who's "nuts?" Who's "irrational?" Who's not looking at "the facts?" (Go send some more money to BushCo.)

George Orwell (pseudonym of Eric Arthur Blair) remains our age's greatest thinker, which is a real shame since he died back in 1950.
I try to look at the bright side of 1984, that these concepts are exposed, and obvious to a great many, where once they were hidden and mysterious. "He who controls the present controls the past."
There is so much evidence that our past has been altered -- by tossing the disagreeable parts into the Memory Hole -- that it would take a highly ignorant person, an intentionally ignorant person, to not see it. At some point, in a nominal "democracy", ignorance should rise to the level of criminal. At least such ignorance should be called out, shunned, exposed for the intellectual cowardice and sloth it truly is.
Agentsfrom the state of Israel were driving that van full of explosives. That's why you haven't heard about it again.

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