I have offered many responses, with regards to political issues, that push back, yet extend the ideological framework from its narrow class liberal and class neocon perspective, by revisiting the issue of the Enlightenment and making the argument of its betrayal. My point, often, has to do with the corruption of ideology through a historical mechanism, that occurs when the middle classes are only partially developed, stunted and deformed by a new class order, like Capitalism, which subordinates and corrupts its middle layers, as all oligarchies do, throughout our 3000 plus years of class rule.

The corruption of the middle layers into deformed class elites, as class aplogists, and the development of class hierarchies to filter out democracy, and corrupt the meaning of original revolutionary movements, like the revolutionary liberals of the Enlightenment has everything to do with Joe Lieberman, class nationalism, and the failure of Western democracy, including the American revolution. The universal, moral and social basis of the Enlightenment, with its Age of Reason, and search for classical, macro laws in both Nature and the social realm, had an ideological, revolutionary framework, moral, and international outlook that was based on inclusive principles, not exclusive principles. The false social claims of all class societies, including Capitalism, that they are based on a social principle of wealth and democracy and national unity, comes up against the goal of developing the middle class as the social agency, who would reproduce social wealth, and moral democratic values, that is inherently the moral center, since it is itself an all encompassing, growing social dynamic, that does not need class masters, or class elites which would signify the betrayal of the Enlightenment.

Unfortunately, the rise of the merchant, industrial classes, replacing the social principle and its revolutionary moral center, put property rights over human rights, thus stunting and deforming the middle class agency, and corrupting the universal middle center, into class elites, class nationalism, and class Empire. A middle class without class masters as the successful outcome of a social principle of wealth, was replaced with displaced class center, that were in fact to the right, of the center, what they call the "extreme left". The collapse and betrayal of the Enlightenment meant the regeneration of generic class corruption, negating the goal of eliminating the Feudal class society, and all class societies, for a new class order, dressed in new clothes. The virulent class nationalism and its class Empires, from Napoleon, French, English Empire to the Nazi corporate fascist empire is but an expression of this betrayal.

Today it is the Amerikan Empire with its newly dressed corporate state, corporate fascism, that is now the norm for Western Late Capitalism. It embraces not only the rot of its own decaying class nationalist fascism, but the rot of Israeli class nationalism, which murdered millions of Jews in Nazi Germany. Lieberman would rather embrace the rot of "exclusion", the concept of the chosen people, Jews, and the concept of class exclusion, class nationalism, fascism, to promote Zionism, and Amerikanism. That is why he his promoting nuclear war against Iran, and that is why he is called the "Senator from Israel." We have many Lieberman's within the democratic party, who are willing partners to Bush's Empire in the Middle East. Both class parties, democrats and republicans are party to the rot of exclusion, class exclusion, and have failed to uphold the principles of the Enlightenment, because these class liberals are the betrayers. We must dismantle the oligarchy, corrupt class hiearchy and restore the Enlightenment, and Socialist movement, that was its heir, to reclaim our history, and reject Lieberman's embrace of the dark forces of fascism and racism, and class nationalism.

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They insisted that they came to Washington to talk politics, not eschatology.

These guys would bother me less if they stuck to eschatology and left politics alone. Hagee is a blow-hard. He should shut up. He doesn't care anything about the TRUTH. He (and D.J. Kennedy, Jim Dobson, et al) want to inflame the middle east because they think the 2nd Coming of Christ needs a trigger to get started.

Jesus Christ said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." Acts 1:7

If they claim to believe in Jesus, they should believe what Jesus said.

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"Imagine no religion..."

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Although it is a little early in the day to listen to the ravings of John Hagee, I managed to get through his video which brought back memories of my fundamentalist childhood.

As a child during the Great Depression, I and my siblings were taken to tent meetings and storefront gospel centers by our fundamentalist mother where we were subjected to countless hours of this type of hysterical ranting by itinerate preachers "called" by God to warn others of the coming end times. After I began to think for myself, I considered such wild imaginings the result of ignorance as most of these people were uneducated, unread and untravelled and possibly lacking in IQ.

Consequently, I have found it nothing short of amazing that these strange apocalyptic fantasies have spread over the country like some virus and are preached from the pulpits of huge churches and to large TV audiences.

These people are obsessed with the notion that those whose world view and spiritual insights differ from theirs, deserve the wrath of an angry and vindictive deity for a failure of belief. Their biblical quotes are selective, preferring the terrifying hightmarish images from the Book of Revelations or to the warnings of some gloomy old testament prophet of doom to the Sermonn on the Mount or the simple definition of God as love to define Christianity.

The time may come when religious obsessions with their emphasis on fear and eternal punishment and damnation will be seen for what they probably are--a form of mental illness that distorts and twists reality and, in its extreme form, become a serious danger to others.

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This crowd of religious nuts are barking mad.

People like that will bring on the "end times" whether or not it has any root in religion or "gods plan."

Impeachment and removal from office is the only way to stop Bush, Cheney, Hagee and their co-conspirators from bombing Iran, Pakistan, and possibly the whole world.

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Why is it that these supposed Christ-loving dispensationalists devote their preaching to rambling vengance from the Old Testament and Revalations? They are for war and killing and exclude preaching Jesus' lessons from the Sermon On The Mount. These people must have schizophrenic nightmares - tryiing to reconcile their bloodthirstiness with their turn-the-other-cheek (or NOT) theology. And, scariest of all is that they don't see any contradiction in that.

Lieberman is the consumate whore in that he'll embrace any organization that supports his one true love - Israel!

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This article is just further evidence of what has been obvious to many for a long time: groups and individuals claiming to be "Christian" have and are advocating massive violence in the name of advancing their warped interpretation of religion.

I never want to see a Conservative claiming that there is something fundamentally different about Islam and that only Muslims resort to violence to proselytize and spread their view of the Koran.

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Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:18

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." - Jesus, Matthew 43-45a

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- Why aren't these people sending their children to Iraq to fight for our freedom?

- Are we to believe that they will send their children to fight in Iran and if so, why aren't they joining the military go get ready for Iran?

- How could people who are jewish associate themselves with a group that calls for their conversion to christianity? Support for Isreal is one thing but knowing that these nut jobs plan to destroy you if you don't change to their religion is really kooky.

- Why hasn't Joe Liebermann converted to christianity?

- Why aren't Liebermann's children and grandchildren servin in the military in Iraq. Matthew Lieberman, Rebecca Lieberman, Ethan Lieberman, Hana Lieberman, Tennessee Lieberman Willie Lieberman, Eden Lieberman and Yitzhak Lieberman can't serve but other people's can?

- Why don't the people of Connecticut recall this guy? Surely he is a stain on their state.

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That is all.

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or shall I say STEALING from the Native Americans and VIOLENCE is what is bringing this country DOWN THE TOILET just like the Roman Empire except its faster and even WORSE. Of course Joe LIEberman would rather side with the fascists and deny that the Holocaust ever happened.

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So armed with all this knowledge, when does the troop withdrawal begin. Any word on that from the great thinkers and holy people. It's all very interesting but just not practical. In reading about what's really happening in Iraq this is all irrelevant. Thanks, ANNA

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Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. "

Well, I says to myself, if that's the case, then why do so many of these fruitcakes think they're CLUED IN ON THE EVENT? M'kay? Yoohoo! Anyone? Got God's number in your rolodex? You do??? Amazing!!!

You'd think....snicker...the pious would then, armed with this factoid, live their lives as fully as possible, tend to those in need, treat others like extended family, and let God worry about Doomsday.

No, that would be logical. My bad!

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The importance of religion in Bush’s role as commander-in-chief was raised by Bob Woodward in his 2004 bestseller, Plan of Attack.

Woodward said George W. claimed he was on a mission from God to spread democracy throughout the Muslim world. To blow his “I love the Lord” façade to smithereens, one need only ask the simple question: Who would Jesus torture?

The answer, of course, is no one, which creates two conclusions. Either Shrub is a charlatan or he’s a born-again hypocrite. I fear the latter.

Assume for a moment the president is an evangelical who believes the Old Testament but considers the new version a book of suggestions. If so, Bush thinks we’re in the Last Days, Armageddon will come during his lifetime along with the Rapture, and he will shoot up to Heaven like a Roman candle. That would explain his dismissive approach to global warming. After all, if these actually are the End Times, then concern about Earth becoming too hot in 50 years is meaningless.

Even worse, if Bush believes Armageddon is coming, he may be trying on a subconscious level to urge it on. What better way to inflame ancient enemies—Arabs, Persians, Palestinians and Jews—than by promoting a Middle East war of choice?

Evidence of Dub-ya’s messianic thinking was provided by a BBC transcript published on Oct. 6, 2005. The text quoted two Palestinian leaders, Prime Minister Abu Mazen and his deputy, Nabil Shaath, after they met privately with George W. in June 2003.

According to the UK report, Bush said to Mazen and Shaath, “I’m driven with a mission from God. He told me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan’ and I did. Then God told me, ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq’ and I did. Now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me: Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East, and, by God, I’m gonna do it.”

Assuming he wasn’t fibbing and God isn’t an idiot, there can only be two explanations for Shrub hearing words in his head. He’s either schizophrenic or the voice belonged to Dick Cheney.

As for Joe Lieberman, he showed his anti-Islamic, imperialist agenda by co-chairing the White House Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) -- established in 2002 by Bruce Jackson, a PNAC director.

A rightwing hawk in liberal clothing, Lieberman rubbed elbows at CLI meetings with PNAC members Jeane Kirkpatrick, Robert Kagan, Newt Gingrich, Richard Perle, William Kristol and James Woolsey.

AlterNet visitors unfamiliar with the rightwing subversive organization, Project for a New American Century (PNAC), its founders include Gulf War 2 architects Cheney, Scooter Libby, Don Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.

President Bush is connected to PNAC through his brother, Jeb, an original member.

During the Clinton administration, PNAC published a position paper advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Eeerily the report predicted the first preemptive war in U.S. history would be supported by the American people if they suffered a "catastrophic and catalyzing Pearl Harbor-type event" (PNAC's words). Thus, to Bush and his neocon cabal, 9/11 was an excuse to attack Iraq, not a cause.

There is only one word that truly describes Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their lapdog, Love Me Lieberman: TRAITORS.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 50 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations plus the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.

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Lieberman gave a big clue to his position at a gathering of CUFI major donors Monday night. "America is a faith-based initiative," said the former Democrat. "We are not endowed by the great thinkers of the Enlightenment but endowed by our Creator ... Anyone who tries to separate American government from faith," he added, "is doing something profoundly unnatural."

Joe:, have you forgotten the first amendment to our constitution?

I have been an Independent most, if not all my life. And I believe our two party system is the second, most corrupt political system on earth.

Joe became an Independent, only because he was a looser in the Democratic Party. He was already a supporter of GWB in the destruction of our constitution.

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An interesting sideline to this story is the role that Bible Students have played in Christian Zionism. C.T. Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell) was arguably one of the first Christian Zionists and probably the most influential. He was also very famous and well regarded, except by mainstream Christianity. His articles appeared in newspapers all over the world after the turn of the century. While others were predicting peace for the 20th century, he pointed consistently to 1914 as the year for the ending of the Gentile Times. Many feel this was verified by the outbreak of WW1.

He had his prophetic understandings about the end times and Israel, but there were several key differences. Br. Russell did not try to convert the Jews. He absolutely felt that they should stay Jewish and actually increase their love for Israel and for the Torah, and gave that message to a mass meeting of leading Hebrew citizens in New York.

Pastor Russell did not believe Jews and others who did not convert to christianity(?) would burn in eternal torment; rather, they (and all mankind except the Church) would be resurrected right here on Earth.
He consistently taught that based on the 'Law and the Prophets' (types, prophetic fullfillments of events, and time prophecy) that Jesus had actually literally, albeit invisibly, returned in the fall of 1874 and his Parousia (mistranslated 'coming') was the reason for the re-establishment of the state of Israel. To this day, some jewish groups reject the validity of the state of Israel because Messiah was to establish it. Br. Russell taught that Messiah HAD established it.

The Lord's Second Presence was not his message to the Jews, however. His idea was that anti-semitism would drive Jews to Israel, and indeed that has happened.

His legacy has been carried on down through the 20th century by some Bible Students down to our day. I'm sure Pastor Hagee would like to have 130 years of pro-zionist history but since Russell was not a trinitarian, he is off limits to orthodox/rightwing christianity.

Yet the Bible Students retain a singular relationship with Israel. Our non-proselytizing stance is recognized by Jews for Judaism, and other Jewish organizations. Our DVD's are shown in synagogues and yeshivas and homes the world over, but no one has heard of us. Some have met with David BenGurion, and with the Knesset, for years and years before CUFI was first a nightmare in Hagee's brain.

The evangelicals have a double-edged embrace. They were walking the razor's edge at this conference. On hand, they pay for conversion efforts towards the Jews (they want to get 144,000) and on the other hand they want Jews to be their theological kewpie dolls.

The spokesperson for Hagee said that he 'wears two hats'. Maybe he just talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Anyone who is interested in this work can find out more at

http://www.israelsdestiny.com/

I know that our message is not welcomed by the majority of christian zionists because we are way outside of mainstream christianity. Keep up the good work of exposing these 'theocrats'.

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...that April 29, 2007 was the beginning of the 'end times'.
Bush is one of them. If they want it to happen badly enough they will make it happen.

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.. Jefferson expressed himself strongly on that larger apocalypse, the Book of Revelation, in a letter to Alexander Smyth of 17 January 1825: it is "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." Apocalyptic writing deserved no commentary, for "what has no meaning admits no explanation"; therefore, apocalyptic prophecies associated with Jesus deserved and would receive no attention from Jefferson in his Life and Morals of Jesus. (E. S. Gaustad, "Religion," in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: A Reference Biography, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1986, p. 287.)
Quotations of our Founders

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This article unfortunately seems to transparently contradict itself from the get go, ‘Does his discussion of God's punishment of Jews suggest his own anti-Semitism?’ straight to ‘our support of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with end times prophecy. It has absolutely nothing to do with eschatology.’…

I have had the misfortune of coming across Hagee’s programming and this guy has two flags hanging in his church. One is the American flag and the other, flying at the same height is the Israeli flag.

Additionally, Sarah derides so much said by Hagee about God and the bible (which Hagee describes as the "word of the living God ... the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”) yet later attempts to claim Judaism as her own. (If Hagee is unfamiliar with the great Jewish tradition of debate, he can come to Shabbat dinner at my house.)

What exactly is going on here?

I see this as another poorly written attack and attempt at discrediting the Christian Right when in reality it is doing nothing more than showing extreme bias and zero tolerance… at least they are free to express their beliefs correct?

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All I can say is this is what BELIEVING gets you. If you are foolish enough to believe this nonsense then Armageddon is what you deserve and then maybe what survives will at last be free of these enslaving ideas that have done nothing but serve the rich and powerful by keeping the masses weak and under control. They want most of you humbled down to dumb so there is less competition for their game of "own it all", which is absurd on it's face if you think about it. What is owning but an agreement that as long as you can pay the fees to hold a place that no one else will be able to buy it away from you. Ask any number of former family farmers in middle amurica about ownership. It's all a game you play because you've heard from day one that this is why you are here. Wake up! You're being ripped off and denied the life you deserve by following these creaps. These men of power are the very sort who had Christ slain. They will slay all of us to fulfill the notions behind their beliefs. They are nuts.

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Haggard urged Sharon/Israel on several occasions to negotiate with Palestine and end their relentless occupation and violence. Also, he and his church were incensed over Israel’s attack of Lebanon last summer. Haggard and his congregation were vociferous and adamant about Iran: They would not support U.S./Israel attack against Iran.

What’s going on here? Did Haggard really have gay affair with all the mainstream media sensational/salacious drug trappings, or was something more sinister occurring……his fundamentalist church did not tow the line for Israel. He also denounced the “End of Times” theory purported by most evangelical Christian churches. Did U.S./Israel’s political powers and the mainstream press launch an attack on him forcing him to leave the church, or did he really engage in this lurid extramarital affair?

Please no comments about my religious beliefs…..I was raised as a 4th generation Irish-American Catholic, but as an adult have refuted most of this indoctrination and ideology. I am secular/non-religious, but have my own independent/personal spiritual beliefs. I respect all world religions, except for those fundamentalist religions that espouse war, violence, murder, and destruction.

I neither advocate this theory about Ted Haggard’s denunciations of Israel and subsequent ‘fall from grace’ nor reject it. ……….but I am curious and would like to know if indeed he was set up.

Ted Haggard-Israel Relationship Link:
TedHaggardIsraelArticle

also, here’s a link regarding Hagee/End of Times Theory/Iran
HageeEndofTimesWarIran

p.s. For obvious reasons, I have absolutely zero respect for Joe Lieberman and his fanatical support for Israel’s occupations/mass murder sprees

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This question was nagging me yesterday. I am not a bible scholar, so I don't know the answer. Anyone?

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This is a very dangerous alliance. Both groups standing on their own have done terrible damage by their influence on US policy, in preventing the possibility of peace and justice in the Middle East. When they act together their damage is multiplied.

What can we do? What can civil society, the vast majority of Christians, secular, Jews, Muslims, and all the rest of us, do to counter this war-worshiping/anti-human rights influence on our body politic?

Organize, organize, organize. We are the majority. We reject the politics of war, of occupation, of disrespect for human rights. We want all to live in peace with justice in the Middle East, and therefore demand an end to Israeli occupation and US sponsorship of this dispossession of Palestinians of their homes and farms. We demand worldwide nuclear disarmament, not just for Iran but also for Israel, for the United States and Korea, Pakistan and India. We represent the majority of people on this planet and we must not be silent. We will not sit by as religious extremists play Armageddon with the earth's people. We will not let them promote catastrophe beyond our worst nightmare's.

What would happen if each time there were a CUFI or AIPAC event in a local community there was also a protest, people gathered for peace, for human rights for ALL?

Go to Stop AIPAC! to read more about the CUFI/AIPAC connection and how to plug into protests against these lobbies for war & occupation.

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Actually, if one was to apply Revelations to a modern context as end timers do, a true scholar of apocalyptic texts, unblinded by nationalist prejudices, would have to surmise that the Babylon described in Revelations can be none other than the US. There are too many descriptions of Babylon that only fit the world's hyperpower. Even the Antichrist's alliance but eventual betrayal of Israel is noted and fits the Christian Zionist eschatology quite well.

Even if you don't believe in the literal historical application of Revelations (i.e., it describes events in the 1st century AD), the book clearly talks about an immensely powerful empire that bestrides the world like a colossus and deigns to war with God. The antichrist emperor is a character that appears over and over again (Napoleon, Hitler), whose hubris in attempting to remake the world ends in untold sorrows and horrors. As an allegory, it is actually quite powerful where today's nero-cons resemble yesterdays Neros.

As for Iran, it served as an instrument of God in shattering the Babylonian empire and freeing the Jews from captivity 2500 years ago. In fact, the second temple was built with their assistance, so all this warmongering after Iran seems quite odd.

Also if you actually read the "Judgement of Nations" parable of the sheep and the goats found towards the end of Matthew (25:31–46) you will find the real determinants that Jesus laid out for how the nations will be judged. It is pretty straightforward even if interpreted in ways that completely distort its simple meaning by conservative Christians -- those who treat the least of their societies with compassion and care will enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who despised and ignored their least will go straight to hell. A more damning indictment of capitalism cannot be found elsewhere.

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I tried to post a comment on The Huffington Post yesterday in response to a blog critical of neoconservatives. The article conjectured that the Christian religious right is to blame for the whole fiasco this world has been enduring. I pointed out that Zionist Jews are as responsible as the "Christian right" for the atrocities. Some highly visible Zionists are Paul Wolfowitz ("architect" of the Iraq war), Richard Perle (chief propagandist), Judith Miller (major propagandist), William Kristol (major propagandist) and Joe Lieberman (traitor to Constitution, party, and American people). I mean this is well known, right? There was a yellow banner, however, across the comment submission I wrote. I checked back later and saw that it didn't post. Was I "insensitive?" Speaking of sensitivity, you know what's insensitive (and maddening)? - An advanced rocket blowing your children and wife away! One triggered by troops simply carrying out orders, albeit from conceited, hypocritical and spineless chickenhawks in a faraway land who throw shame on top of their spite by calling for you to do more to shore up the unpeaceful situation they provoked in your own homeland!

This is what is happening, right?

Thank you Alternet for allowing me to say so.

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Not force fed.

Beliefs presented at the end of a broad sword are by no means the true word of God.

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Anyone find the source of, or independent confirmation of the Lieberman quote at the end of the article? I Googled it but didn't come up with any MSM citations, only a few blog posts linking back to AlterNet.

Frankly, I'm slightly surprised that even Lieberman would go so far as to say this.

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Hagee is a well-known local hypocrite. His dark past is not so well-known but is on the web. He is a dangerous religious fanatic, hopefully recognized by at least some folks in Washington.

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... to join CUAI: Christians United Against Israel.

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They think it's going to get them to Heaven

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I like you 'cause you've got puck.
Keep up the good work.

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... that Hagee and his Christianist ilk never quote form the New Testament? Maybe this is because there's nothing in there about required support for the state of Israel, and in fact a lot that would be against it.

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Why should Iran be attacked? Well, it has nothing to do with Israel. The reason is simple: Iran must not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon that could wipe out the Saudi oil supplies or be used to attack and destroy the American invasion forces. Now, how do you justify or gain support for a blatantly aggressive action to maintain some control over oil supplies? Well, not by speaking the truth, which would send all Americans into chaos, but by a lot of blathering about end times, Israel and the chosen people and other such untruths. Democracy, freedom, religion, chosen people...all of these are just smokescreens for naked aggression to keep America afloat a while longer. It's the oil, stupid, and everything else is just propaganda.

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We can only hope it occurs soon.

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For instance, she points to some of the dangers inherent in this end times apocalyptic.

I read yesterday, Israeli cable provider HOT is taking steps to drop a global Christian network (Daystar Television) from its selection of offered channels as a result of numerous complaints it has received relating to the missionary content aimed at converting Jews in Israel to Christianity.

When the Daystar Television Network first began broadcasting in Israel just over a year ago, Pastor John Hagee remarked that, “It’s just all I can do to keep from getting up and dancing. It’s a joy and it’s a dream come true. If we are able to preach the gospel without reservation [in Israel]... it’s a major breakthrough.”

To me and others, this indicates that Hagee's support for Israel is not unconditional support. If Hagee's support for Israel is conditioned on the conversion of the Jews, what good is his support?

On the other hand Mr. Ahmadinejad has openly called for wiping Israel off the face of the map.

Why then is any mention of confronting Iran's nuclear program war-mongering?

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Its really quite simple. The agenda for these folks is the death of 99.9% of the world's population and nothing less. These folks want YOU to die and when that is done, roast in tortuous hell for eternity. Your agonizing death is just not punishment enough for not following the godly dogma. But like most things, there is a bright side. The theology also demands that god spend the rest of his eternity torturing unbelievers - what must be a boring task after a couple millennium of 24/7 magma-boarding.

I have a hard time with any theology that calls for the vast majority of the world to die and suffer but that is at the top of the Xtian right agenda. YOUR DEATH. MY DEATH. AND MAY ALL THE UNBAPTIZED BABIES SUFFER AND ROAST ETERNALLY TOO. There is nothing a kind and loving god loves more than throwing another fagot (or is that faggot?) on the hell fires of your agony.

Similar to "enhanced interrogation techniques," the heathen afterlife will find you getting your eyes gouged out, your genitals roasted, your tongue cut out - everything just short of a merciful death. This is the layout of the most popular afterlife destination spot - and, according to the Christnuts, most people overwhelmingly CHOOSE this over spending eternity in "heaven" with Falwell.

Oh well at least I know I will be in good company when I rub UV400 Hell Sun Block on Paris's shoulders.

-Greg Forest

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And sucking up to their Nazi masters to perpetuate their own personal gravy trains.

AS IF it had anything to do with real faith or their own personal beliefs... this den of vipers, Pharisees, and hypocrites?

Why, you talk and write as if they really were actual Christians or something... Christians do as Jesus did, and He never advocated war with anyone, commanding us to "Love our enemies; bless those that curse us."

This crew? Simultaneously more Luciferian than Anton LaVey and more atheist than Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

Christians? As IF.

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These are the end times - not of the world but of major religions. The extreme activities of at least two of the three major middle eastern death cults are not a revival but their death throes. "Wal-Mart To Sell Christian Action Figures" -- think of them as the horsemen of the apocalypse!

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He'd have to appear like Christ and then seed malcontent amongst his followers.

According to The Book of Revelations, the false Christ appears first, and then the real one later, right?

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I hope the END comes REAL SOON for these La La Landers so the rest of us can get back to REALITY. (Where are the men in the whitecoats when you need them?)
Their Satan has already taken over the churches, just look at the amount of hate and evil they spew, the clergy predators, the ignoring of the poor and downtrodden, the judgements of others (who may well be a test from God that THEY have FAILED badly), the lies, the embellishments, the greed, and the corruption, so I doubt they will be going anywhere but straight down.
Do people even bother to study history I wonder or is that EVIL too? The bible was written 75-years after Christ's death (what do you remember from 75-years ago?) by man, not God. The first Pope appointed himself when a bishop and Christianity was created because of the Jews (people not being Jewish and feeling left out because they had no religion--created again, by man), just like Scientology, Morman's and the rest, not by God. God has no religion. The Jews are not the appointed people of God (the bible written by MAN says so); ALL people are of God.
The Israel and Palestinian problem is the Israeli's stealing Palestinian land and then trapping them in a "prison" for this reason. They (Israeli's) have continued to "blame the victims" for their own deceit. Problem is they (the Jews) learned from the Nazis how to do this from their own experience. You would have thought that they would have learned not what to do to others that was done to them. Of course, with Bush and Leiberman's help, they have continued on with this superiority attitude of being the "victims," when in fact, they are the perpetrators; just like the Nazis. (They have become just like what they despise.)
God will definitely PASS JUDGEMENT on them (and the rest of Satan's followers) for this and those who have dared to take God's WORD out of context and beat the rest of us over the head with it. So much for do unto others as they would do unto you.
I look forward to that day.
However, we need to get rid of these mentally ill/insane people and make this country whole again, for ALL PEOPLE! If the Religious Right/Neocons want a country of their own, go find your own.

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... the people who seem most convinced of Israel's "divine mandate" are also those who seem most insistent that it needs human protection, and fearful that it could somehow be destroyed... talk about "oh ye of little faith"!

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