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Blackwater Heavies Sue Families of Slain Employees for $10 Million in Brutal Attempt to Suppress Their Story
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Raleigh, NC -- The families of four American security contractors who were burned, beaten, dragged through the streets of Fallujah and their decapitated bodies hung from a bridge over the Euphrates River on March 31, 2004, are reaching out to the American public to help protect themselves against the very company their loved ones were serving when killed, Blackwater Security Consulting. After Blackwater lost a series of appeals all the away to the U.S. Supreme Court, Blackwater has now changed its tactics and is suing the dead men's estates for $10 million to silence the families and keep them out of court.
Following these gruesome deaths which were broadcast on worldwide television, the surviving family members looked to Blackwater for answers as to how and why their loved ones died. Blackwater not only refused to give the grieving families any information, but also callously stated that they would need to sue Blackwater to get it. Left with no alternative, in January 2005, the families filed suit against Blackwater, which is owned by the wealthy and politically-connected Erik Prince.
Blackwater quickly adapted its battlefield tactics to the courtroom. It initially hired Fred F. Fielding, who is currently counsel to the President of the United States. It then hired Joseph E. Schmitz as its in-house counsel, who was formerly the Inspector General at the Pentagon. More recently, Blackwater employed Kenneth Starr, famed prosecutor in the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky scandal, to oppose the families. To add additional muscle, Blackwater hired Cofer Black, who was the Director of the CIA Counter- Terrorist Center.
After filing its suit against the dead men's estates, Blackwater demanded that its claim and the families' existing lawsuit be handled in a private arbitration. By suing the families in arbitration, Blackwater has attempted to move the examination of their wrongful conduct outside of the eye of the public and away from a jury. This comes at the same time when Congress is investigating Blackwater.
Over 300 contractors have been killed in Iraq with very little inquiry into their deaths. The families claim that Blackwater is attempting to cover up its incompetence, its cutting of corners in favor of higher profits, and its over billing to the government. Due to lack of accountability and oversight, Blackwater's private army has been able to obtain huge profits from the government, utilizing contacts established through Erik Prince's relationships with high-ranking government officials such as Cofer Black and Joseph Schmitz.
In addition to assembling its litigation troops, Blackwater also stonewalled the families concerning any information about how the men were killed. Over the past two and a half years, Blackwater has not responded to a single question or produced a single document. When the families' attorneys, Callahan & Blaine, obtained a Court Order to take the deposition of a former Blackwater employee with critical information about the incident, Blackwater quickly re-hired him and sent him out of the country. When the witness returned to the United States more than a year later, the families obtained another Court Order for his deposition. Blackwater again prevented them from taking his deposition by seeking the assistance of the U.S. Attorney's Office to block the deposition under the guise that he possibly possessed national secrets. Following an investigation, the U.S. Army reported that the witness had no secret information and that it had no objection to the deposition.
Blackwater has now lifted this atrocity to a whole new level by going on the offensive and suing the families for $10 million. The families now find themselves looking down the barrel of a gun as Blackwater, armed with a war chest and politically-connected attorneys, is aggressively litigating against them. Blackwater has also threatened to hold the administrator of the estates personally liable to scare him into abandoning his position, and has threatened the families' attorneys as well.
The families are simply without the financial wherewithal to defend against Blackwater. By filing suit, Blackwater is trying to wipe out the families' ability to discover the truth about Blackwater's involvement in the deaths of these four Americans and to silence them from any public comment. In February, the families testified before Congress.
However, Blackwater's lawsuit now seeks to gag the family members from even speaking about the incident or about Blackwater's involvement in the deaths. This is a direct attack to their free speech rights under the First Amendment.
"I initially took this case because it was the right thing to do in helping the families find closure by discovering the events surrounding their loved ones deaths, " said Daniel J. Callahan, attorney for the families. "I have found the evidence concerning Blackwater's involvement in the deaths to be overwhelming and appalling. Even more disturbing though is the callous nature in which Blackwater has not only concealed the truth, but also outright sued to force the families to stop pursuing the case and to silence them." Blackwater has spent millions of dollars and hired at least five different law firms to fight the families, rather than meeting and addressing what should be Blackwater's top priority -- the safety and well being of the mothers, wives, and children left behind. Blackwater has said that it will not pay one red cent to assist or console the surviving families, but instead has counter sued for $10 million.
Without help, Blackwater will succeed in avoiding scrutiny for its conduct, escaping accountability for its actions, and silencing the families of the four Americans killed in Fallujah. A defense fund has been established by which the public is able to donate money to assist the families with litigation costs and expenses.
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Posted by: justaguy on Jun 8, 2007 1:39 AM
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They took a risk for the big money. They lost.
If you lie with dogs etc
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» You pay your taxes don't you? Case closed. n/t
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» No, I pay no US taxes.
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» RE: No, I pay no US taxes.
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» RE: No, I pay no US taxes.
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» RE: No, I pay no US taxes.
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» RE: Whilst I sympathise... "The Wages of Sin" etc.
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» RE: Whilst I sympathise...
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» RE: Whilst I sympathise...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 8, 2007 4:09 AM
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"I am a patriot. I love our country and I want our country to survive. And the survival of our country depends on us taking it back".
Amen, brother, Geoff!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» And the survival of our country depends on us taking it back".
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» Republicans = Democrats = Corporate Establishment.
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» Your typical American is too fat, entertained and oversexed to do any actual thinking
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» I'm afraid you're right about that, ateo. nm
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» Just keep in mind that half of the population is "below average" intelligence
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» The point wasn't that we should have an IQ based hierarchy in the U.S. but that...
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» Actually it's those who are the most literate that are the most susceptible to propaganda.
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» RE: Actually it's those who are the most literate that are the most susceptible to propaganda.
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» RE: Your typical American is too fat, entertained and oversexed to do any actual thinking
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» RE: epublicans = Democrats = Corporate Establishment.
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Posted by: carcinoid112 on Jun 8, 2007 5:29 AM
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Where is our Congress? Oh, yeah, wallowing in the overflow.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 8, 2007 5:33 AM
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Obviously the commitment doesn’t apply to deceased Blackwater employees, whose estates are being sued by the company to keep family members out of court.
Making Blackwater’s retaliation even more hypocritical is its founder and owner, Erik Prince, a board member of the nonprofit group, Christian Freedom International, which claims to help "Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ".
I wonder what Jesus would say about Prince’s two-faced, bullying behavior?
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» RE: Another example of corporate hypocrisy
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» RE: Another example of corporate hypocrisy...Yes, this is all about hiding behind
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» Another example of hypocrisy...period!
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Posted by: US Citizen on Jun 8, 2007 6:08 AM
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» RE: The Major Media doesn't cover Bush Administration Corruption?
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» RE: The Major Media doesn't cover Bush Administration Corruption?
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Posted by: paschn on Jun 8, 2007 6:14 AM
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So, grow a brain and some balls and NATIONALIZE energy!!
After all, our "leaders" keep telling you that in a Democracy, the natural resources and the airwaves belong to the sheeple and it's quite obvious Bush's base is too corrupt and evil to be entrusted with your resources. SO TAKE 'EM BACK!
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 8, 2007 7:46 AM
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» RE: HARD TO SYMPATHIZE
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» RE: HARD TO SYMPATHIZE
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Posted by: magistre on Jun 8, 2007 7:49 AM
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Posted by: TKO on Jun 8, 2007 8:03 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 8, 2007 8:14 AM
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I am sorry for the families grief, but the guys made their pact with the devil and paid the price. More than a few US troop have gotten wounded or were killed trying to bail contractors out.
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» Most of the contractors are ex-military.
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» Joining The Contractors IS Crossing The Line
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» Not about soldiers
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» RE: Not about soldiers
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» RE: Joining The Contractors IS Crossing The Line
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 8, 2007 8:18 AM
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» RE: well well...
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 8, 2007 8:24 AM
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Another, posing as Christ would be first to appear.
Fools will follow the false one and burn forever for it.
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Posted by: agathena on Jun 8, 2007 8:26 AM
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I stood beside one of them at our November Rememberance Day ceremony in our home town. He had his elite commando uniform on. He was holding his 2 month old baby and I was struck by the contrast of the baby's softness and the father's military uniform. He was with his lovely young wife and her son. I stood with them for over an hour. Later I heard the news and then saw his wife and children at his memorial service on tv.
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Posted by: bob t on Jun 8, 2007 8:32 AM
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» Osama, Schmitz, and Prince now linked!
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» RE: What a Conflation
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 8, 2007 8:35 AM
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After years of training, at U.S. taxpayer expense, to be the most efficient human killing machines on the face of the Earth, these losers could not find civilian employment that paid, to their way of thinking at least, an adequate salary. Blackwater offered the four an opportunity to do the job the U.S. military trained them to do, kill people, and make a pile of dough at the same time.
The four died because small-government, anti-tax, libertarian Republicans and neo-liberal Democrats decided Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world, not to mention all that oil he was sitting upon. They died because anti-government, pro-privatization, libertarian Republicans see the American taxpayer as a cash cow and would rather our tax dollar go their their cronies and stock portfolios than to schools, hospitals and health care.
It was good old American greed that killed the four mercenaries. If they hadn't been so greedy for the all-mighty dollar they wouldn't have been in Fallujah. And it's good old America greed which motives Blackwater to stonewall and counter-sue the survivors.
Here I witness the survivors of "America-first," "personal-responsibility," "badass," "macho," libertarians, being screwed by the corporate capitalism at its worst, running to the hated legal system to redress their grievences.
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» RE: Greed was the motivation
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» RE: Greed was the motivation
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Posted by: tface1000 on Jun 8, 2007 9:51 AM
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The jeeps should have been armored. They each should have had a gunner. They should not have been sent on a mission to drive unarmored, open, unarmed jeeps into one of the most dangerous places in the world. These men were killed with small arms fire. Someone walked right up to them and shot them. That was the result of corporate negligence and an insatiable drive toward profits.
What came of that criminal act of stupidity by Blackwater USA was the grisly death of four Americans, and soon after, the destruction of Fallujah. The US relaliated against a whole city for the deaths of those men, and the situation in Iraq spiraled further out of control. Fallujah convinced a lot of Iraqis that they needed to fight the Americans.
THAT is part of what Blackwater wants to keep quiet. THAT is why they are suing the families. THAT is why they are using Ken Starr to silence the mothers of these men. You might not have sympathy toward the four men that were killed in Fallujah, but this is still an important story their families are trying to tell.
We have thousands of private contractors in Iraq operating with little to no accountability. That's a problem, folks. They have ample opportunity to makes the situation worse over there and there is plenty of evidence they've done just that. What incentive do they really have to end the hostilities? None. They have a lot to gain by continued unrest though, don't they? They just keep getting richer and more powerful.
And their next mission is in the US. They want to offer "security services" in case of natural disaster, as they did during the aftermath of Katrina. They've gained the money and the power to do just that. They also have the money and the power, as well as the inclination, to squash the free speech rights of the families of their employees. I think that's a worrisome thing. This isn't a situation where four individual contractors just reaped what they'd sown. It's a much larger issue than that. It's about Blackwater wanting to keep themselves out of the news so they can continue to make money, and to continue to operate without accountability as a private military force. I completely support these families in their efforts to publicaly uncover what happened to their sons, and to force Blackwater to be accountable for the truth.
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jun 8, 2007 9:52 AM
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In these days where law is sacrificed by the ignorant for expediency this is an important lesson. The LAW is the ONLY thing that protects us all from the awesome power of both the State and those with greater economic advantage.
The LAW provides the ONLY possible level playing field for those of us who lack political and economic power. When we circumvent the LAW we increase the risk to ourselves and our families.
STRICT adherence to the letter of the law, even when it appears to be not to our advantage is our ONLY protection. When we undermine the law by practicing political, economic, and or religious prejudice we are cutting our own throats.
Bush & Co. are ONLY running roughshod over us because many misguided people thought it was OK to dispense with the LAW due to an emergency. Actually, the LAW, like a life jacket, becomes MORE important in emergencies.
You do NOT need LAW to protect you and your family in peaceful times and with honest people in positions of power; you need the protection of LAW the most during times of strife and when tyrants and power hungry depots rule.
All of you who think/thought that it was OK to villify those of the Muslim persuasion, Jewish persuasion, Mexican or Black ethnicity LEARN this lesson:
It is ONLY an accident of history that your particular skin color, religious, political or philosophical persuasion happens to be socially fashionable at the moment. ALL the unconstitutional rules, regulations, you support or supported to "punish" others you do not like to satisfy your own intellectual and emotional shortcomings WILL come back to haunt you and/or your families in the future.
As many a German who cheered on the Nazi persecution of the Jews, Gypsies, etc. learned to their sorrow; it was ONLY a matter of time before they TOO became socially unfashionable.
But by the time they learned that lesson, it was too late -- they too were in the box cars and on their way to the death camps. Hopefully, Americans will prove to be smarter than the Germans; if not, they will have ONLY themselves to blame.
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Posted by: jolmichr on Jun 8, 2007 9:53 AM
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this is the right link to donate. we should all give at least 20-40 bucks. I see no reason why this fund should not grow into a gargantuan pile of $$$. Understand this is not about helping the families of war participants get rich.... its about justice and the fall of Blackwater. Make your $20 go further than a table dance.
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Posted by: bobiam on Jun 8, 2007 11:46 AM
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Let's contribute to the legal fund, let's encourage groups like moveon.org, the ACLU, the free thinking media, and others to contribute and support any legal action that will bring blackwater into the spotlight. They are responsible for more than the deaths of 4 employees, they are responsible for the destruction of the town of FalluJah and the deaths of many Iraqis and US soldiers and marines.
Everyone posting here or reading this should contribute; it will help you sleep at night knowing the chickenhawks, Eric Prince et al, are kept off balance until they fall. We must stop this mercenary force in this country and around the world.
DONATE TO THE BLACKWATER VICTIMS FUND. STOP THESE CHICKENHAWKS.
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Posted by: WolfieSense on Jun 8, 2007 12:02 PM
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Posted by: surfreality on Jun 8, 2007 1:09 PM
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The issue here is abuse of process.
Look how hard they work to avoid public accountability. They have already spent more avoiding the issue than they would have paid the families of their former employees. This tells me that they have much too much to hide.
It's intresting that Blackwater is related to Amway by marriage and that both corporations front themselves as Christian organizations... When all is said and done these corporations legacies will bring a whole new spin to the phrase "Onward Christian soldiers"...
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Posted by: magpie on Jun 8, 2007 1:25 PM
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Posted by: dkm on Jun 8, 2007 3:26 PM
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» RE: DON'T FORGET THE INTERNMENT CAMPS IN THE USA BUILT BY KGB/HALIBURTON!
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Posted by: Doggycuny on Jun 8, 2007 4:20 PM
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No one cares about mercenaries. Thats why the word has negative connotations; because they are the scum of the earth. The terrorists that killed them have more integrity than they did.
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Posted by: EncinoM on Jun 8, 2007 4:25 PM
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While I believe the actions of Blackwater warrent an investigation. Lets be wary of trusting the reporting of a very interested party.
Several of his statements, are not legally sound (with out further information) and sole purpose is to pull the emtional strings of the reader. The comments about the arbitration, the discovery delays and first amendment (which does not apply to private parties and gag orders are quite common) are made but not supportd by evidence of illegality.
I would warn the readers to find independant sources to investigate this matter further.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 8, 2007 5:13 PM
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Posted by: ibsteve2u on Jun 8, 2007 5:32 PM
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A surprise? To who?
I bet Cheney loves drinking beer with these guys, though.
Blackwater can tell stories about how they never break U.S., international, or resident country laws, but Cheney can not only tell those stories, he can also talk about what a war hero he is.
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Posted by: Gisele on Jun 8, 2007 6:04 PM
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It's in the best interest of all Americans to have this group dismantled - these are your oppressors in America's not too distant future. Your window of opportunity is closing...
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Posted by: Blade on Jun 8, 2007 9:01 PM
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Nevertheless, I am surprised at negativity shown here.
But that is because I am a worker, and regardless of what the worker is assigned by his masters to do, I feel for the worker.
This subcontractor shit has got out of hand. Half the workers in USA now seem to be bullshit subcontractors.
Meaning, they are lucky to have a job, and don't expect anything but a check. Lately I've been on jobs where they don't even supply water.
Anyone that gets killed on the job deserves something...
Guess they signed a bad contract...
Tough luck, desperate to lift yourself with bootstrap ex-soldier now mercenary dumb working class studly delusional jerk, who like all stupid workers, it is our right to use you, abuse you, delude you, and throw you to one side when we, the masters, are done with you stupid working jerk temporary hero...
Goes to prove employers can get away with anything nowadays...
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Posted by: gellero on Jun 9, 2007 11:06 AM
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» RE: It's our dime paying for the digging of our own graves here...
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» Please Explain How they are risking their lives to protect your country
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jun 9, 2007 11:41 AM
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How nice, the USA is now the international godfather hiring professional killers. I bet that makes you feel all patriotic to know that you can buy the torture, maiming and death of people you never met so you can drive your car.
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» RE: killers?? YES, if you tool up, you carry automatic weapons, then you are prepared to kill
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» Yeah, Killers
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Posted by: gellero on Jun 9, 2007 12:33 PM
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Posted by: boballende on Jun 9, 2007 9:55 PM
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I don’t buy the insinuation that the families simply want closure. If you want donations, please consider telling us how you plan to protect Americans from private security companies running amok and unchecked in the USA.
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Posted by: hannah on Jun 10, 2007 6:21 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 11, 2007 3:35 PM
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Posted by: AnneB on Jun 12, 2007 4:12 PM
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Much has been made of how corporations have taken advantage of
"personhood" laws (free speech morphing to misleading ads, etc) but
without a "person" to punish they get away with token "fines" when they
break laws. But if a person commits murder, in this country, they are
subject to a death sentence. So logically, if corporations, such as
Blackwater, KBR, Haliburton, commit murder, shouldn't they be committed
to death? In the case of an individual, death means their body and mind
can no longer conceive and execute crimes against others. In the case
of a corporation, the company should be forced to close down and its
"brains" --e.g., officers, should be prohibited from ever being in a
corporate leadership position. This seems like a perfect situation for bringing this type of charge. Maybe Callahan and the ACLU could combine forces on this?
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Posted by: opeluboy on Jun 12, 2007 4:32 PM
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Karma is a motherfucker.
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Posted by: gary_7vn on Jun 13, 2007 3:28 PM
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Posted by: SEDGFLD on Jun 16, 2007 12:51 PM
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While I have little sympathy towards those who make their money by exploiting others, wrong is wrong. In a way, it's similar to the Enron type cases where people knew or should have known that there was something up when only their companies were making unusually high profits, while those without administration ties weren't so lucky. Money, for some, trumps everything else.
This administration has close ties with Blackwater and other mercenary companies. Some of the, at least, multi-million dollar companies that showed up after Katrina, terrorized residents and used some for target practice. One company was hired through the Governor's office. Another was hired by a wealthy resident and included mercenaries who had been members of the Israeli military. Read the testmony from the hearings that were delegated to the basement by Republican members of Congress. I believe they were held by John Conyers and I know they weren't covered by our uninformative mainstream media. Some companies are owned and/or run by former government agents who now sell their talents to the highest bidder and/or to those they deem ideologically compatible.
As usual, nothing will change unless Americans get out of this self-imposed stupor and demand accountability. If these people are allowed to continue to do whatever they want, it's going to affect more and more Americans who thought, just like some residents of New Orleans, these things just don't happen in the United States.
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Posted by: justaguy on Jun 8, 2007 1:39 AM
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They took a risk for the big money. They lost.
If you lie with dogs etc
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 8, 2007 4:09 AM
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"I am a patriot. I love our country and I want our country to survive. And the survival of our country depends on us taking it back".
Amen, brother, Geoff!
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» Republicans = Democrats = Corporate Establishment.
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Posted by: carcinoid112 on Jun 8, 2007 5:29 AM
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Where is our Congress? Oh, yeah, wallowing in the overflow.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 8, 2007 5:33 AM
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Obviously the commitment doesn’t apply to deceased Blackwater employees, whose estates are being sued by the company to keep family members out of court.
Making Blackwater’s retaliation even more hypocritical is its founder and owner, Erik Prince, a board member of the nonprofit group, Christian Freedom International, which claims to help "Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ".
I wonder what Jesus would say about Prince’s two-faced, bullying behavior?
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» RE: Another example of corporate hypocrisy...Yes, this is all about hiding behind
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» Another example of hypocrisy...period!
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Posted by: paschn on Jun 8, 2007 6:14 AM
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So, grow a brain and some balls and NATIONALIZE energy!!
After all, our "leaders" keep telling you that in a Democracy, the natural resources and the airwaves belong to the sheeple and it's quite obvious Bush's base is too corrupt and evil to be entrusted with your resources. SO TAKE 'EM BACK!
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 8, 2007 8:14 AM
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I am sorry for the families grief, but the guys made their pact with the devil and paid the price. More than a few US troop have gotten wounded or were killed trying to bail contractors out.
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» Not about soldiers
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 8, 2007 8:24 AM
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Another, posing as Christ would be first to appear.
Fools will follow the false one and burn forever for it.
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Posted by: agathena on Jun 8, 2007 8:26 AM
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I stood beside one of them at our November Rememberance Day ceremony in our home town. He had his elite commando uniform on. He was holding his 2 month old baby and I was struck by the contrast of the baby's softness and the father's military uniform. He was with his lovely young wife and her son. I stood with them for over an hour. Later I heard the news and then saw his wife and children at his memorial service on tv.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 8, 2007 8:35 AM
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After years of training, at U.S. taxpayer expense, to be the most efficient human killing machines on the face of the Earth, these losers could not find civilian employment that paid, to their way of thinking at least, an adequate salary. Blackwater offered the four an opportunity to do the job the U.S. military trained them to do, kill people, and make a pile of dough at the same time.
The four died because small-government, anti-tax, libertarian Republicans and neo-liberal Democrats decided Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world, not to mention all that oil he was sitting upon. They died because anti-government, pro-privatization, libertarian Republicans see the American taxpayer as a cash cow and would rather our tax dollar go their their cronies and stock portfolios than to schools, hospitals and health care.
It was good old American greed that killed the four mercenaries. If they hadn't been so greedy for the all-mighty dollar they wouldn't have been in Fallujah. And it's good old America greed which motives Blackwater to stonewall and counter-sue the survivors.
Here I witness the survivors of "America-first," "personal-responsibility," "badass," "macho," libertarians, being screwed by the corporate capitalism at its worst, running to the hated legal system to redress their grievences.
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Posted by: tface1000 on Jun 8, 2007 9:51 AM
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The jeeps should have been armored. They each should have had a gunner. They should not have been sent on a mission to drive unarmored, open, unarmed jeeps into one of the most dangerous places in the world. These men were killed with small arms fire. Someone walked right up to them and shot them. That was the result of corporate negligence and an insatiable drive toward profits.
What came of that criminal act of stupidity by Blackwater USA was the grisly death of four Americans, and soon after, the destruction of Fallujah. The US relaliated against a whole city for the deaths of those men, and the situation in Iraq spiraled further out of control. Fallujah convinced a lot of Iraqis that they needed to fight the Americans.
THAT is part of what Blackwater wants to keep quiet. THAT is why they are suing the families. THAT is why they are using Ken Starr to silence the mothers of these men. You might not have sympathy toward the four men that were killed in Fallujah, but this is still an important story their families are trying to tell.
We have thousands of private contractors in Iraq operating with little to no accountability. That's a problem, folks. They have ample opportunity to makes the situation worse over there and there is plenty of evidence they've done just that. What incentive do they really have to end the hostilities? None. They have a lot to gain by continued unrest though, don't they? They just keep getting richer and more powerful.
And their next mission is in the US. They want to offer "security services" in case of natural disaster, as they did during the aftermath of Katrina. They've gained the money and the power to do just that. They also have the money and the power, as well as the inclination, to squash the free speech rights of the families of their employees. I think that's a worrisome thing. This isn't a situation where four individual contractors just reaped what they'd sown. It's a much larger issue than that. It's about Blackwater wanting to keep themselves out of the news so they can continue to make money, and to continue to operate without accountability as a private military force. I completely support these families in their efforts to publicaly uncover what happened to their sons, and to force Blackwater to be accountable for the truth.
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jun 8, 2007 9:52 AM
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In these days where law is sacrificed by the ignorant for expediency this is an important lesson. The LAW is the ONLY thing that protects us all from the awesome power of both the State and those with greater economic advantage.
The LAW provides the ONLY possible level playing field for those of us who lack political and economic power. When we circumvent the LAW we increase the risk to ourselves and our families.
STRICT adherence to the letter of the law, even when it appears to be not to our advantage is our ONLY protection. When we undermine the law by practicing political, economic, and or religious prejudice we are cutting our own throats.
Bush & Co. are ONLY running roughshod over us because many misguided people thought it was OK to dispense with the LAW due to an emergency. Actually, the LAW, like a life jacket, becomes MORE important in emergencies.
You do NOT need LAW to protect you and your family in peaceful times and with honest people in positions of power; you need the protection of LAW the most during times of strife and when tyrants and power hungry depots rule.
All of you who think/thought that it was OK to villify those of the Muslim persuasion, Jewish persuasion, Mexican or Black ethnicity LEARN this lesson:
It is ONLY an accident of history that your particular skin color, religious, political or philosophical persuasion happens to be socially fashionable at the moment. ALL the unconstitutional rules, regulations, you support or supported to "punish" others you do not like to satisfy your own intellectual and emotional shortcomings WILL come back to haunt you and/or your families in the future.
As many a German who cheered on the Nazi persecution of the Jews, Gypsies, etc. learned to their sorrow; it was ONLY a matter of time before they TOO became socially unfashionable.
But by the time they learned that lesson, it was too late -- they too were in the box cars and on their way to the death camps. Hopefully, Americans will prove to be smarter than the Germans; if not, they will have ONLY themselves to blame.
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Posted by: jolmichr on Jun 8, 2007 9:53 AM
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this is the right link to donate. we should all give at least 20-40 bucks. I see no reason why this fund should not grow into a gargantuan pile of $$$. Understand this is not about helping the families of war participants get rich.... its about justice and the fall of Blackwater. Make your $20 go further than a table dance.
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Posted by: bobiam on Jun 8, 2007 11:46 AM
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Let's contribute to the legal fund, let's encourage groups like moveon.org, the ACLU, the free thinking media, and others to contribute and support any legal action that will bring blackwater into the spotlight. They are responsible for more than the deaths of 4 employees, they are responsible for the destruction of the town of FalluJah and the deaths of many Iraqis and US soldiers and marines.
Everyone posting here or reading this should contribute; it will help you sleep at night knowing the chickenhawks, Eric Prince et al, are kept off balance until they fall. We must stop this mercenary force in this country and around the world.
DONATE TO THE BLACKWATER VICTIMS FUND. STOP THESE CHICKENHAWKS.
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Posted by: surfreality on Jun 8, 2007 1:09 PM
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The issue here is abuse of process.
Look how hard they work to avoid public accountability. They have already spent more avoiding the issue than they would have paid the families of their former employees. This tells me that they have much too much to hide.
It's intresting that Blackwater is related to Amway by marriage and that both corporations front themselves as Christian organizations... When all is said and done these corporations legacies will bring a whole new spin to the phrase "Onward Christian soldiers"...
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Posted by: Doggycuny on Jun 8, 2007 4:20 PM
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No one cares about mercenaries. Thats why the word has negative connotations; because they are the scum of the earth. The terrorists that killed them have more integrity than they did.
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Posted by: EncinoM on Jun 8, 2007 4:25 PM
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While I believe the actions of Blackwater warrent an investigation. Lets be wary of trusting the reporting of a very interested party.
Several of his statements, are not legally sound (with out further information) and sole purpose is to pull the emtional strings of the reader. The comments about the arbitration, the discovery delays and first amendment (which does not apply to private parties and gag orders are quite common) are made but not supportd by evidence of illegality.
I would warn the readers to find independant sources to investigate this matter further.
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Posted by: ibsteve2u on Jun 8, 2007 5:32 PM
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A surprise? To who?
I bet Cheney loves drinking beer with these guys, though.
Blackwater can tell stories about how they never break U.S., international, or resident country laws, but Cheney can not only tell those stories, he can also talk about what a war hero he is.
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Posted by: Gisele on Jun 8, 2007 6:04 PM
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It's in the best interest of all Americans to have this group dismantled - these are your oppressors in America's not too distant future. Your window of opportunity is closing...
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Posted by: Blade on Jun 8, 2007 9:01 PM
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Nevertheless, I am surprised at negativity shown here.
But that is because I am a worker, and regardless of what the worker is assigned by his masters to do, I feel for the worker.
This subcontractor shit has got out of hand. Half the workers in USA now seem to be bullshit subcontractors.
Meaning, they are lucky to have a job, and don't expect anything but a check. Lately I've been on jobs where they don't even supply water.
Anyone that gets killed on the job deserves something...
Guess they signed a bad contract...
Tough luck, desperate to lift yourself with bootstrap ex-soldier now mercenary dumb working class studly delusional jerk, who like all stupid workers, it is our right to use you, abuse you, delude you, and throw you to one side when we, the masters, are done with you stupid working jerk temporary hero...
Goes to prove employers can get away with anything nowadays...
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» Please Explain How they are risking their lives to protect your country
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jun 9, 2007 11:41 AM
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How nice, the USA is now the international godfather hiring professional killers. I bet that makes you feel all patriotic to know that you can buy the torture, maiming and death of people you never met so you can drive your car.
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Posted by: boballende on Jun 9, 2007 9:55 PM
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I don’t buy the insinuation that the families simply want closure. If you want donations, please consider telling us how you plan to protect Americans from private security companies running amok and unchecked in the USA.
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Posted by: hannah on Jun 10, 2007 6:21 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 11, 2007 3:35 PM
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Posted by: AnneB on Jun 12, 2007 4:12 PM
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Much has been made of how corporations have taken advantage of
"personhood" laws (free speech morphing to misleading ads, etc) but
without a "person" to punish they get away with token "fines" when they
break laws. But if a person commits murder, in this country, they are
subject to a death sentence. So logically, if corporations, such as
Blackwater, KBR, Haliburton, commit murder, shouldn't they be committed
to death? In the case of an individual, death means their body and mind
can no longer conceive and execute crimes against others. In the case
of a corporation, the company should be forced to close down and its
"brains" --e.g., officers, should be prohibited from ever being in a
corporate leadership position. This seems like a perfect situation for bringing this type of charge. Maybe Callahan and the ACLU could combine forces on this?
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Posted by: opeluboy on Jun 12, 2007 4:32 PM
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Karma is a motherfucker.
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Posted by: SEDGFLD on Jun 16, 2007 12:51 PM
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While I have little sympathy towards those who make their money by exploiting others, wrong is wrong. In a way, it's similar to the Enron type cases where people knew or should have known that there was something up when only their companies were making unusually high profits, while those without administration ties weren't so lucky. Money, for some, trumps everything else.
This administration has close ties with Blackwater and other mercenary companies. Some of the, at least, multi-million dollar companies that showed up after Katrina, terrorized residents and used some for target practice. One company was hired through the Governor's office. Another was hired by a wealthy resident and included mercenaries who had been members of the Israeli military. Read the testmony from the hearings that were delegated to the basement by Republican members of Congress. I believe they were held by John Conyers and I know they weren't covered by our uninformative mainstream media. Some companies are owned and/or run by former government agents who now sell their talents to the highest bidder and/or to those they deem ideologically compatible.
As usual, nothing will change unless Americans get out of this self-imposed stupor and demand accountability. If these people are allowed to continue to do whatever they want, it's going to affect more and more Americans who thought, just like some residents of New Orleans, these things just don't happen in the United States.
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