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9/11 Life Worth $1.8 million; Iraqi Life, $2,000. What Does It Mean?

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted May 15, 2007.


Using publicly available numbers, one can calculate that the U.S. government values an innocent civilian slaughtered by al-Qaeda terrorists on September 11, 2001 at $1.8 million, and an Iraqi civilian killed by Marines at $2,000.
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What value has a human life?

We usually think of this in terms of sentiment -- of memories, grief, love, longing, of everything, in short, that is too deep and valuable to put a price upon. Then again, is anything in our world truly priceless?

As anyone who has ever taken out a life insurance policy knows, we humans are quite capable of putting a price on life -- and death. In her book Pricing the Priceless Child, Viviana Zelizer reminds us that, starting in the 1870s in the U.S., in that era before child labor laws, the business of insuring working-class children, who were then quite valuable to poor families, achieved enormous success. For a few pennies a week, ten dollars in all, you could, for instance, insure your one year-old against the future loss to the family of his or her earning power.

The courts weighed in, assessing the literal value of an earning child to a family. In those days, poor urban children died regularly in staggering numbers under horse's hooves, the wheels of street cars, and trains. In an 1893 editorial, the New York Times referred to this as "child slaughter," and juries reacted accordingly. When Ettie Pressman, just seven years old, died under a team of horses in 1893, while crossing New York's Ludlow Street with her nine year-old sister, a court granted her father $1,000 to compensate him for "his daughter's services and earnings." ("Yes," her father testified, with "what I earn and what the children earn used together we have enough. They earn three dollars each week.")

This came to mind recently, thanks to a New York Times report on another kind of "child slaughter" -- in this case by U.S. Marines, who, in early March, went on a killing rampage near Jalalabad in Afghanistan. Sorry, in Pentagon parlance, this is referred to as "using excessive force." A platoon of elite Marine Special Operations troops in a convoy of Humvees were ambushed by a suicide bomber in a mini-van and one of them was wounded. Initially, it was reported that as "many as 10 people were killed and 34 wounded as the convoy made a frenzied escape, and injured Afghans said the Americans fired on civilian cars and pedestrians as they sped away." The Americans quickly blamed some of these casualties on "militant gunfire." ("Lt. Col. David Accetta, the top U.S. military spokesman in Afghanistan, said gunmen may have fired on U.S. forces at multiple points during the escape.")

Later, it was admitted that the Marines had wielded that "excessive force" remarkably excessively and long after the ambush had ended, laying down a deadly field of fire at six spots, at least, along a ten-mile stretch of road. Their targets, according to a draft report of the U.S. military investigation of the incident (which the Washington Post got its hands on) were Afghans, on foot and in vehicles who were "exclusively civilian in nature" and had engaged in "no kind of provocative or threatening behavior."

In the process, the Marines were reported to have murdered "12 people -- including a 4-year-old girl, a 1-year-old boy and three elderly villagers" -- and wounded 34. According to a report by Carlotta Gall of the New York Times, a "16-year-old newly married girl was cut down while she was carrying a bundle of grass to her family's farmhouse.... A 75-year-old man walking to his shop was hit by so many bullets that his son did not recognize the body when he came to the scene." (U.S. troops at the time took the camera of an Afghan Associated Press photographer who happened to come upon the scene and "deleted" photographs from it, including ones "of a four-wheel drive vehicle where three Afghans had been shot to death inside.")


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Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.

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Bring your family to Jihad day
Posted by: White middleclass male on May 15, 2007 12:32 AM   
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We had an incident where two men loaded their family in to a full sized van along with their mortar tubes. They then went to an isolated area and launched mortars at US forces. We picked their location of on radar and shot several 155mm artillery rounds at them. When we went to investigate the scene we found (pieces of) the men's children, wives and an ID of a 63 year old women. The men loaded their family into the van because in the past US forces would wave cars with kids and women by with out checking them. The best part about this is we did not pay anyone for “collateral damage”.

Often times the collateral damage was as much a part of the assault as the men with the AKs.

Would you load up your kids, and elderly parents (63 in Iraqi is about the same as 85 in the US) to fight an insurgent war?

So 9.11.01 was Al Quada again? I thought Rosie and a college student with a laptop, decided it was GW.

1LT L. US Army

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Related Issue
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 15, 2007 1:25 AM   
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Remember how after 9-11 the government appointed a guy to settle up with 9-11 victims? The money was not given out equally despite being sourced in tax dollars and donations. Big $ brokers got more than secretaries and window washers. I thought it to be the most un-American thing I have ever heard of.

We are all precious and life is a gift. My faith tradition teaches that God loves all people and is no respecter of persons. I try to live my life and make decisions accordingly. Anything that devalues or debases human life and those who see themselves as better than others really get my blood boiling.

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» Try unrelated Issue Posted by: skoog5600
» trial and conviciton Posted by: brasilaron
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» RE: elated Issue another 9/11 issue Posted by: sasquuatch55
Great topic. Interesting data.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 15, 2007 4:00 AM   
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I'm glad somebody brought this up.

Not every dead person is lucky enough to have died at the WTC on 9/11. Many die of ordinary illnesses which not only don't pay off, but put them and their families deeply in the red, thanks to our health care system.

I guess the value of an American life is about being in the right place at the right time. And being a victim of US atrocities is about being at the wrong place at the wrong time, unless your family could really use the $2000+-, in which case it's still a gamble.

I saw a Law and Order episode last week about how veterans are getting screwed by the military. No surprise there, but it was interesting to see a whole episode about it.

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How much is the last Lion worth?
Posted by: greentime on May 15, 2007 4:34 AM   
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How much money for the beautiful lake as it dries up and disappears?

How much more time before we recognize how lost we are and that we can no longer connect to our collective wisdom?

What value for the stupid humans who fiddled with such trivia as they lost their planet home.

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The REAL cost of Iraqi lives.
Posted by: TheTruthSeeker on May 15, 2007 4:43 AM   
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After our troops finally withdraw from Iraq and the civil war burns itself out with the loss of hundreds of thousands of additional innocent lives, the world will judge us for the horror and heartbreak we caused in the Middle East.

I have no doubt that Gulf War 2 will be a pivotal point in American history -- forever memorialized as the beginning of the end for this once sweet land of liberty. In hindsight then, the price we offered as compensation for each Iraqi civilian death will have been a minuscule down payment for eventual cost to our nation.


For the TRUTH about Iraq, GW Bush and his treasonous neocon cabal, visit the following websites managed by U.S. war veterans opposed to the continuing occupation of Iraq.

King-George.biz (the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption)
OpTruth.org (Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America critical of Iraq War)
VAIW.org (Veterans Against Iraq War)
VoteVets.org (promotes candidates for Congress who are both Middle East vets and Iraq War critics)

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9-11 Inside Job
Posted by: Bushguiltyof911 on May 15, 2007 4:44 AM   
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I continue to be amazed how even this author and others who write articles for this website and other reputable websites that I read often think that Al Qaeda perpetrated 9/11.

It only takes a short amount of time if you look at the physical evidence to know that this is not true. The World Trade Center towers came down in freefall time on their footprint. This is physically impossible. One of the towers had about 20 floors above where the plane hit. The official story wants you to believe that those 20 floors fell as quickly as if they were dropped in a vacuum when they actually fell through 80 floors of a steel structure.

where are those top 20 floors. They would've ended up on the ground damaged by the fall but not obliterated into a fine white dust.

Where is the plane in Pennsylvania? Where is the plane at the Pentagon?
go to my website at www.911insidejob.net. just watch some of the videos under the heading "9/11 must watch truth videos"

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This number comparison is meaningless
Posted by: Bobsays on May 15, 2007 4:47 AM   
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Of course the 9/11 widows should get more: they are your own citizens. As for Iraqis, they are lucky they get any comp. The Vietnamese never did get any, and that goes for all other victims of American wars. Iraqis are really turning into Americans if they think they should get more: it's all me, me, me!

Let's not even go into the fact most Iraqis are killed by other Iraqis. Is al Qaeda giving out any comp? I don't think so.

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They agreed to not sue anyone
Posted by: jsong123 on May 15, 2007 5:31 AM   
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That was the 911 victim's agreement

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Sorry we shot your child. Here's $500. Go buy a bomb
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 15, 2007 7:16 AM   
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"Sorry we shot your child. Here's $500. Go buy a bomb" was a phrase I first heard over 4 years ago. At the time, I figured there would be a few isolated incidents where Iraqis would get that type of message from us. But I didnt think that there would be thousands of incidents to which that statement could be applied.

This is one of the many justifications for not invading Iraq. Similar discussions were occuring four and a half years ago, within the bowels of the anti-war community. Needless to say there were few who were listening. And it was a simple message: dont go there.

Is financial compensation even logical at all? To a non-indoctrinated culture, how can it be? Is it wise to send the message that a life is worth $X amount of dollars? Do pro war neocon parrots like William Kristol ever talk about what effect a message like that has on another culture? Ha. Not publicly. But they sure as hell can find reasons to blame others for losing the war. Curious isnt it? In our culture, if your spouse gets run over by an SUV and killed, you typically don't have too much difficulty in accepting compensation. That's the great thing about insurance. You don't look at it as a payoff. BUT, what if the rich murderous driver of that SUV was the one offering such compensation? Would you be so eager to take it? Understanding that emotional dynamic is the key to understanding what went wrong in Iraq. It's basic psychology. Despite what many neocon hawks say to cover their own arses, they do study psychology in detail. The potential profit in the destruction of souls is just too great. And that's what's really going on here. Killing can be profitable. But killing someone and then handing money to their family? In some circles, that is worse than murder. And so it creates an even bigger market for those with weapons to sell.

The neocons are a bit worried that some of us have actually figured out their little chess game, but they still take comfort knowing that most people dont have a clue. For now.

One other thing. I think it is highly misleading to talk about how a 9/11 victims life is worth 1.8 million to this government. It's not. Their silence is worth 1.8 million. Why else would so many surviving 9/11 first responders not receive similar compensation? They were victims too.

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» No... Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
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» still don't see what you are trying to say Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
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On Nonviolence
Posted by: lessbread on May 15, 2007 3:08 PM   
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction ... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation. -- Martin Luther King Jr. 1963

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let the riots begin
Posted by: grim ripper on May 15, 2007 4:06 PM   
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What's this I hear (on counterpunch, http://counterpunch.org/jacobs05152007.html) about the dems approving the removal of the requirement for congressional approval before the "u.s." decides to attack Iran???

Sounds like something Alternet oughta be covering

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It's called HUSH MONEY, Tom.
Posted by: johndoraemi on May 15, 2007 6:00 PM   
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Quite a knack for missing the story. They have bribed the families of 9/11 victims to cooperate and to NOT sue the government or the airlines for the deaths of their loved ones. The families have legal standing to do so, and many brave, honest family members have told them to shove the money up their asses.

Brave souls like Ellen Mariani have attempted to sue Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, et al. for deliberately allowing those attacks to happen.

Many family members sued the Saudi government (who were treasonously defended by Bush crime family operative James Baker) for their active help in financing two of the alleged terrorists (the San Diego "cell").

Senator Bob Graham named Saudi Arabia as participating and told of more than one state that helped finance the 9/11 attacks, and that are protected in those 27-28 redacted pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry.

Exclaiming the slaughter of "Al Qaeda" reveals an utter ignorance OF "Al Qaeda," that it was a CIA creation first and foremost. That it has been funded, trained, protected and armed by the US, UK Saudi, and Pakistanis. Every aspect of this organization has been under intense surveillance, and the very existence of an independent organization called "Al Qaeda" in 2001 strains credulity.

Of course this can all be verified, investigated, written about ad nauseum, yet supposed vanguard, edgy writers like Tom Engelhardt just never seem to get past the propaganda and into the meat and bones of it.

It's very disappointing, and thoroughly expected here at this bullshit rag, home of damage control, limited hangouts, and Democratic party shills, Alternet.

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

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I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT...
Posted by: EagleMB on May 15, 2007 7:20 PM   
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...liberals just don't know the value of money. You people talk about socialized healthcare that will cost more than our annual budget, and now you criticize payments to Iraqi's which are more than the payments to Americans.

Putting a price on life is nothing new. We do it in courts of law everyday. But lets compare.

$786.16 = 1,000,000 Dinar (Iraqi Currency)

Thus, $2000 = 2,544,000 Dinar.

So we gave WTC victims $1.8 million and Iraqi victims 2.5 million. If any Americans want to buy some Dinar, you can at http://www.usdinar.com/catalog.

Don't you hate it when reality bites you in the ass?

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$2,000 is high!
Posted by: joels on May 16, 2007 2:32 PM   
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Frankly, based on the obvious low value the Muslims place on themselves, what with killing their daughters for looking at a man, and strapping bombs on their teenage children, I think $2,000 is high!

And I am confident that every person who lost a loved one on 9/11 would gladly give that $1.8 million back for the safe return of that loved one.

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The value of a life…
Posted by: Forgiven on May 17, 2007 7:52 AM   
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How many Iraqi’s have died and how many more will die before this madness will end? No one really knows how many of them have already died. Tracking their death toll just doesn’t seem to be as important to the news media.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The United Nations accused Iraq on Wednesday of withholding sensitive civilian casualty figures because it fears they would be used to paint a "very grim" picture of a worsening humanitarian crisis.

Whether the government of Iraq releases figures or not the amount of human suffering cannot be denied. They can no more hide the toll on human life than Saddam Hussein could during his reign. The world needs to know how costly in human terms this situation is becoming in order to prepare for the massive job that is awaiting us. At some point the world will need to reach out and help these people heal and reconstruct their lives. These are not just facts and figures these are human beings worthy of life and dignity.

Although no one really knows the exact number, everyone can agree that it has been a lot. I read a report the other day and it talked about how most Americans have a fairly accurate idea of the number of American war dead from the Iraqi invasion. However, when it comes to the number of Iraqi war dead there is a remarkable lack of awareness by the American public to the devastation that has been visited upon these people. Many in the world believe that we as Americans are unconcerned with the deaths of anyone who is not American or Jewish. That in our minds and opinions their lives are not as valuable. It is this belief that feeds a lot of the animosity directed towards us by other nations.

I believe that all life has value. Each and every one of us is a unique creation of God and therefore of value to God. We should begin to express our outrage and concern for not only the American lives lost, but also the lives of any human being that is slaughtered throughout the world. It is easy to become overwhelmed and numb to the slaughter going on throughout the world. The images that are constantly being beamed to our televisions of carnage and inhumanity can cause one to become insensitive to the plight of others. They are over there and they are different from us, but does that make their lives any less valuable? Are they deserving of any less compassion because they don’t look like me or believe what I believe? I certainly hope not. We should be equally appalled wherever suffering is occurring. Of course it is human nature to care more about those who I identify closely with, but it doesn’t have to be an either or situation. There is enough compassion to go around for all suffering people.

Let’s let the world know that we value all human life equally. We all share a kinship with one another that goes beyond borders and colors and politics.

“Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?”


The Disputed Truth

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