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How Analysts in the Arab World View the Occupation of Iraq

By Helena Cobban, Christian Science Monitor. Posted March 31, 2007.


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London - Policymakers and strategic analysts in the Arab world have little confidence that current US troop surge in Iraq will do much more than - at best - postpone a complete political-security breakdown in Iraq, which, they fear, could then spread across the Middle East. During my lengthy recent discussions with experts in Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, and with some well-connected Iraqis in Jordan, I heard a lot about how Iraq's collapse has been affecting these Arab societies.

The news from my Iraqi friends - leaders in quasi-governmental and nongovernmental organizations - was grim. These were people who (on human rights grounds) had supported the US invasion in 2003, and who then worked hard to build an effective, democratic order in their country. Now, I found them downhearted - but thoughtful, as they tried to pinpoint the worst of many US mistakes in Iraq. They told piercingly tragic stories about the violence and sectarianism that affects everyone there.

I asked one of these friends what he thought would happen if US forces leave Iraq in the near future. He said there's a possibility this would concentrate the minds of his countrymen on the need to find a workable reconciliation. "But if the Americans stay, we can expect the situation to remain bad," he said. This man was visiting Jordan for only a few days. But he was planning, soon, to return for much longer. After four years of trying to build strong public-sector institutions in Iraq, he was giving up the effort and preparing to join the 2-million-plus other Iraqis who have fled their country since the war began.

The continuing social and political catastrophe in Iraq has sent shock waves throughout the other Arab states, too. In Cairo, senior analysts at the Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies talked about how Arabs had long viewed the Iraqi state as a bulwark against the extension of Iranian power from the east. But, now, with that bulwark largely destroyed, they saw Iran's influence extending deep into Iraq and directly threatening the stability of many other Arab states, especially in the Persian Gulf.

These analysts talked about other threats that Egyptians and other Arabs feel in the wake of Iraq's collapse, including their fear of a regional spread of disorder, militancy, and sectarianism. One particular anxiety: the threat posed by the return to their homes of militant Arab Islamists who had spent time in the lawless, Sunni-dominated regions of Iraq and there acquired many skills in extremist operations and organizing.

This group also talked about the region-wide fallout from the US troops' current quagmirelike deployment in Iraq. They all expected to see a substantial drawdown - or perhaps a complete withdrawal - of US troops from Iraq within the next 12 to 18 months, regardless of whether Washington concludes an explicit agreement with Tehran. Dr. Abdel Moneim Said Aly, director of the Al-Ahram Center, noted that such an agreement could entail mere military coordination or a "grand bargain" between the two governments, in which all their outstanding disputes - including over Iran's nuclear program and its role in the broader Middle East - would be resolved. Agreement at any level would have vast consequences for the whole region - and the world.

Meanwhile, the broad deployment of US troops in Iraq has been transformed from an American asset in the region into a liability that erodes US power and standing.

Here in London, strategic thinker Hussein Agha told me that, for now, all of Iraq's neighbors prefer that US troops stay tied down inside Iraq, rather than withdraw. For some countries, the status quo lessens the likelihood of US attacks against them. For others, it represents a situation preferable to the regional turmoil they fear might follow US withdrawal.

Mr. Agha's judgment seems generally valid. Four years later, President Bush's decision to invade Iraq looks increasingly like British Prime Minister Anthony Eden's decision to invade Egypt's Suez region in 1956: an exercise in ill-considered military over-reach that hastened the subsequent shrinkage of a quasi-imperial power.

The burning question is how the fallout from Iraq can best be managed and the dangers that loom be minimized. Everyone I spoke to was adamant that Washington needs urgently to build a new, more straightforward relationship with Iran in which the tensions in and around Iraq can be de-escalated more effectively than currently seems possible.

They also all saw a clear linkage between US influence in the region as a whole and US policy toward the Palestinians. They argued forcefully that making real progress on attaining a final Palestinian-Israeli peace could significantly help the US manage the situation in and around Iraq. Palestinian and Arab leaders, they say, are ready for serious peace talks. They wonder if Washington has the vision and decisiveness required for real progress.

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Fallujah Fears a 'Genocidal Strategy'
Posted by: rwa on Mar 31, 2007 4:58 AM   
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Ali al-Fadhily*, Inter Press Service



FALLUJAH, Mar 30 (IPS) - Iraqis in the volatile al-Anbar province west of Baghdad are reporting regular killings carried out by U.S. forces that many believe are part of a 'genocidal' strategy.

Since the mysterious explosion at the Shia al-Askari shrine in Samara in February last year, more than 100 Iraqis have been killed daily on average, without any forceful action by the Iraqi government and the U.S. military to stop the killings.

U.S. troops and Iraqi security forces working with them are also executing people seized during home raids and other operations, residents say.

"Seventeen young men were found executed after they were arrested by U.S. troops and Fallujah police," 40-year-old Yassen of Fallujah told IPS. "My two sons have been detained by police, and I am terrified that they will have the same fate. They are only 17 and 18 years old."

Residents of Fallujah say the local police detention centre holds hundreds of men, who have had no legal representation.

Others are killed by random fire that has long become routine for U.S. and Iraqi soldiers. Sa'ad, a 25-year-old from the al-Thubbat area of western Fallujah was killed in such firing.

"The poor guy kept running home every time he saw U.S. soldiers," a man from his neighbourhood, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS. "He used to say: Go inside or the Americans will kill you." Sa'ad is said by neighbours to have developed a mental disability.

He was recently shot and killed by U.S. soldiers when they opened fire after their patrol was struck by a roadside bomb.

Last week, U.S. military fire severely damaged the highest minaret in Fallujah after three soldiers were killed in an attack. What was seen as reprisal fire on the minaret has angered residents.

"They hate us because we are Muslims, and no one can argue with that any more," 65- year-old Abu Fayssal who witnessed the event told IPS. "They say they are fighting al- Qeada but they are only capable of killing our sons with their genocidal campaign and destroying our mosques."

(*Ali, our correspondent in Baghdad, works in close collaboration with Dahr Jamail, our U.S.-based specialist writer on Iraq who travels extensively in the region)

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Current Policy
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 31, 2007 7:42 AM   
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All this continued misadventure will accomplish:
1- Get more Soldiers and Marines killed and maimed.
2- Get more Iraqis killed.
3- Fuel generations of hatred for the US.
4- Waste ever larger sums of borrowed money.
5- Pollute Iraq with more Depleted Uranium that will sicken and kill for generations.
6- Delay ant real chance of peace in SW Asia in any of our lifetimes.
7- Continue to make Defense contractors rich.
8- Continue to take precious funds away from needed domestic spending.
9- Continue to pollute our political system as corporate contributors spread the gravy around.
10- Keep the Oil markets fidgety and unstable- keeping prices- and profit margins- high.

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» RE: Current Policy Posted by: Hedda
New definition of infinity: the light at the end of Bush's Iraq tunnel.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 31, 2007 7:48 AM   
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One reason George W. refuses to withdraw from Iraq is his admitted lack of interest in newspapers. Consider two recent stories he obviously missed.

On March 24, Reuters reported that Iraqi Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi told a Japanese newspaper that U.S.-led coalition forces could withdraw from his country in a year and half at the latest.

"Personally, I think Iraqi security forces will complete reforms and training in a year or a year and a half," Hashemi was quoted in an interview with the Mainichi Shimbun daily. "After that, the coalition troops will no longer be needed."

Several days later, the king of Saudi Arabia, Al Qaeda's breeding ground, said he wants American troops out of Iraq ASAP.

Does His Highness and Hashemi know something that Bush doesn't?

Stupid question.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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As always, foreign policy requires diplomatic leadership and skill.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 31, 2007 8:17 AM   
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Since W does not believe in government, he does not believe in government skills such as negotiation. He ran Texas the same way--demand, demand, demand.

That doesn't work when you are the alien, as the US is in the Middle East. We are on someone else's turf. Getting something done there requires skills that W has no notion even exist. He's never needed them. As a CEO all you need to do is demand and threaten.

As evidence--so what ever became of the Iraq Study Group report? Do you remember it? Neither does W.

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Granted I am Not an expert
Posted by: brainvib on Mar 31, 2007 8:19 AM   
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BUT, you can bet that US troops will be in Iraq for as long as the oil can be pumped at a profit by the oil companies that were just given the keys to the Iraqi oil pool by the puppet Iraqi government.

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» RE: Granted I am Not an expert Posted by: peacefullaim
The American invasion in Iraq was a necessity
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Mar 31, 2007 9:31 AM   
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The American invasion in Iraq was a necessity but very poorly planned, it was not meant to be an occupation as it ought to have been planned for. The Bush administration had learnt nothing from the successful transformations of Nazi Germany and fascist Japan. It took an occupation of more than 10 years and the US still has troop presence there. The problem is that the Bush administration did not think the thought “occupation” although Anti War protestors now howl this as a fact.

An occupation normally secures and disarms the opposition’s military, secure peace and order in the streets. This is the case when occupying a territory, not the case in Iraq, it is very strange that it took the administration this long to come to it senses and start doing just that. The solution is more troops and that is very unpopular, but as this article shows what the Iraqis want most.

If you send in military troops you need to give them a clear mandate, clear operational targets and resources to boot.

A change of guards in Afghanistan is taking place and I am proud to say that the Swedish armed forces are doubling their numbers in the ISAF force. The Swedish super secretive special forces SSG is one of the most sought after, specialists as they are in covert action.

In Darfur the worst political meltdown has not yet started and Darfur is already in a sad state.

You can say what you want about George W Bush but on Iraq, Afganistan and Darfur he does not shirk his responsibility and he will as Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg address take the last necessary actions to prevail. The political prize he is paying is gigantic but I am fully confident that history will vindicate him, no doubt about it. To be proven right in the future does not give you comfort today. His victory will be Pyrrhic as was Abraham Lincolns.

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» RE: Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Posted by: Swedish liberal
» You're full of it... Posted by: justaguy
Who will stop Iran?
Posted by: writerman on Mar 31, 2007 9:47 AM   
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Let's just accept that Iraq was the "wall" against the growth of Iranian power in the Middle East, then things are really bad, because the Americans have, in their monumental stupidity, effectively destroyed Iraq as a functioning state. The Americans have broken the wall down.

What happens now? Iraq is perhaps the least of our problems. Iraq appears to be lost. The great concern now is, how do we stop the rise of Iranian influence in the entire region, something we appear to be against. Even though it would seem that Iran. given its size and wealth, should, naturally be an important factor in the future of the region.

Why is this unacceptable to the "West". Most importantly because Iran is an independent state and not part of the Empire. That is their only real "crime". Not only this, Iran insists on following its own course and refuses to push its own interests aside, in favour of those of the Empire. Basically, Iran is refusing to bow, bend its knee and accept its role as a vasal state. Clearly this is unacceptable behaviour and it has to be punished, first by sanctions, and if they don't work by war. Iran must be made an example of and quickly, before the Iranian example spreads thoughout the whole area. That is the main "threat" from Iran. The Idea that one can defy the United States - and live to tell the tale!

But, if, by some miracle, the United States does not attack Iran who will stand up to them, now that Iraq has been destroyed? The answer, in the long term, appears obvious. The only major Arab nation left standing, so to speak, and with a sufficiently large population and resources, is Eygypt. Only Eygypt can oppose the expansion of Iranian influence. Is that what we face in the future? A confrontation between Eygypt and Iran?

We could also speculate about something else. Whilst the Arab elites and governments have accepted that they are more or less vasals of the United States and cannot oppose American interests in the region, what about the Arab masses? Isn't the growth of Iranian influence positive and welcomed by the great mass of the people in the Middle East? With Iran's help, for the first time in decades, Arab fighters appear able to take on Israel and the Americans and win. So here one can see the emergence of a viable alternative stragegy to surrender for the Arabs, actually fighting back and regaining their independence from foreign domination.

This must frighten the Arab elites to death. They could so easily go the way of the Shah and be swept away by the rising tide of history. The very idea, that "history" may be on the side of Iran and that it's possible to oppose occupation and re-gain independence, is yet another reason why Iran must be destroyed before it's too late.

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654,965
Posted by: Theriomorph on Mar 31, 2007 9:58 AM   
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That's the public health epidemiological study estimated number of Iraqi dead since the U.S. invasion. A number that's risen to roughly 1,000 Iraqis a day.

Excerpts from the Johns Hopkins Magazine article on the study and the politicization of the results here: the number

More than ever, the perspectives of people from the Arab world must be heard in America. Thanks for this post, and to the first commenter for linking to the uruknet article.

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The mid east future
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 31, 2007 11:03 AM   
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President Bush and Vice President Cheney have taken the American people down a new and fearsome path.

The mid-east has been a particularly dangerous and complex region since the Suez crisis of the mid 50s. This is the region of the world where inter-bloc power politics meets swirling regional antagonisms. The whole situation is highly pressurized by the presence of oil and the need of all sides to control this resource.

To their credit, Bush and Cheney wanted to simplify the situation and establish an American position that was unassailably strong and one that was based on a robust and unalterably pro-American Iraq.

For many, the 9/11 fiasco, the memory of gas station lines and the unrelenting hostility of the Shiites and the Palestinians made the Bush-Cheney siren song a desirable policy, something that should at least be given a chance to succeed.

The difficulty comes from the fact that Bush and Cheney set out to accomplish something that is impossible. This is not a matter of 20-20 hindsight, as many conservatives would have it.

At the analyst level in the CIA before the war, there was widespread recognition that the Iraqi WMD program had been contained and destroyed. Similarly, in academe, among many military thinkers and in most intelligence agencies, there were widely publicized views that such factors as Arab nationalism, religious sectarianism, the wide dissemination of well armed militias, tribalism and whole stew of centripetal forces would create chaos in the absence of an authoritarian Iraqi regime.

The social, political and economic conditions in Iraq simply are not compatible for a nascent democracy. This is a classic example of the conditions in which the soft power advantages of the West could have proved decisive.

A wide ranging package of economic aid, cultural exchange, diplomatic pressure against human rights abuses and commercial engagement would have, in a relatively short time, achieved conditions in which a broad liberalization and democratization of Iraqi society would have occurred.

It is unquestionably the case that the Western nations should join China to establish broad, far-reaching liberalization and modernization policies that recognize and accommodate the unique characteristics of Islam and Middle Eastern society.

It is impossible to do this and continue the current conflict.

The American people and our government now face a stark choice, to attend to our better nature and begin the work of re-building Iraq, the nation that we have destroyed;

or

continue the Bush-Cheney neoCon policy of hegemony and armed conflict with all the disastrous consequences it entails.

To show support for a policy of disengagement and troop withdrawal, boycott beef or reduce your beef consumption. Since President Bush made his veto threat at the Beef Producers Convention, slumping beef sales will show everyone that the American people reject Bush's War.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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Boycott beef
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 31, 2007 11:04 AM   
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To show support for a policy of disengagement and troop withdrawal, boycott beef or reduce your beef consumption. Since President Bush made his veto threat at the Beef Producers Convention, slumping beef sales will show everyone that the American people reject Bush's War.

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This article should have been titled "The Green Zone Perspective"
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 31, 2007 1:28 PM   
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"Well-connected Iraqis in Jordan" - this is typical US corporate media garbage. It's an article about what the ruling elite of the Arab states (the Five Kingdoms) think about Iraq and what the fallout of a US troop withdrawal might mean to their own dictatorial monarchies. I suppose that's an important question, but this article has nothing to do with what the average Iraqi citizen thinks. What do the three million or so homeless Iraqi refugees think about the situation? Their opinions aren't worth hearing, apparently.

The other factor missing is a discussion of the fate of Iraqi oil. Chevron and Exxon just signed a $3 billion deal for an Iraqi petrochemical plant, and Exxon has been getting Iraqi oil via the Kurdish-Turkey pipeline, so things are working out for them as expected, and Cheney's stock portfolio is getting fatter as a result; Halliburton has moved to Dubai and no doubt hopes to get all the oilfield service contracts for Iraqi oil; still, China and Japan are also moving in to secure oil deals - and all this is going through the puppet Iraqi goverment that is restricted to a few square miles in Baghdad. The Red Zone is the rest of the country, more or less.

Of course, it's not surprising that the author of thsi piece didn't talk to any Iraqis on the ground. Iraq is the most dangerous place in the world for journalists, thanks to the deliberate US military policy of total control of news coming out of Iraq (and Afghanistan). When US soldiers in Afghanistan recently took cameras from AP photographers and deleted the images (get some remote wireless backup systems, people), you know that was deliberate US policy.

The main lesson that Rumsfeld and Cheney seemed to have taken from Vietnam is that the American people can't be allowed to see what their government is doing in foreign invasions. That's why Rumsfeld's first action after the torture scandal broke was to ban all soldiers from owning photo-capable cell phones. He wanted the torture; he just didn't want the American people to see it - though I imagine that Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld all have copies of the sexual torture videos, kept for private viewing sessions with Mark Foley and Ted Haggard.

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My guess is that they just couldn't resist the dream of winning big in Iraq.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 31, 2007 9:21 PM   
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It's what drives every CEO worth his salt--get a monopoly by outsmarting the competition.

The fact that the US seemed satisfied with threats and the boycott of Iraq, and did not invade after the first Gulf War, suckered Saddam into disarming. So he was a sitting duck.

I never see mention of the story that appeared in the LA Times on the Op-Ed page shortly after the end of the first Gulf War that, before the allied troops withdrew, an empty Iraqi missile shell landed in Israel. It seemed to be a signal that Saddam was prepared to use biological weapons if cornered. Hence papa Bush pulled back.

So it was the knowledge that Saddam no longer had biological weapons, rather than that he did, that prompted the invasion. That way, we'd show him up for a fool.

Reminds me of the story I heard of how you catch a monkey: You put food in a jar with an opening too small for the monkey to remove his paw with the food. Since the monkey will not let go of the food once he has hold of it, all you need do is go collect your self-captured monkey.

That's us--the stupid monkey who cannot let go of the food.

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Pacifist error
Posted by: jurgen on Mar 31, 2007 11:05 PM   
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Opposition to Bush's policies in Iraq can blind a person to reality. Putting more troops there will definitely cut down on the violence. It isn't just coincidence that the killing in Baghdad has tapered off following the "surge."

So, if the 50,000 troops in Baghdad can accomplish that for a city of 5 million, then 250,000 should be able to do it for 25 million.

Of course, since the killings have been reduced to only a third of what they were, to get the figure down near zero would take about a million troops.

That would be about right. One American soldier for every five Iraqis.

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» RE: Pacifist error Posted by: alibaba
withdrawal
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Apr 1, 2007 8:09 AM   
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See Jim Hightower's little cartoon about the oil companies and Iraq you will get a clearer picture of why we are there and when we are leaving. Bush doesn't give a crap about anything else. We are going to have to make congress take back the presidency

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World Policeman
Posted by: marid on Apr 1, 2007 8:23 AM   
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The United States is not the annoited cop on the block for our planet. Other countries have their own thoughts, beliefs, rights, and needs. The many cultures in the world need to recognize the legitmacy of each others customs and laws.

I do not want to finance, provide my children for the Merchants of Death, or in any way support the assinine plans of these people in power in Washington DC.

Our support over the decades for the next useful dictator has to stop. Our words are pure BS when you review history. I am tired of Americans kids being killed with weapons that we gave to a deposed lunatic who was doing our bidding.

As far as the invasion of Iraq being necessary. What utter and complete nonsense. Pure BS and Leo Straussian tactics from day one. Tell every lie you need to, bang the drums of nationalism, keep people afraid (9/11,9/11,9/11), and use religion as a tool to keep the masses in line. And boy are they good at it.

If you think oil is not part of the plan read the real agreements that Iraq is going to have to sign with the Dastardly Demonic Oil Companies. The fine print are not so fine for the Iraqis.

A world at war with itself will eventually lose the war with itself. The Sheep need to look up, not follow the asshole in front of them.

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