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Neocons in Cheney's Office Fund al Qaeda-Tied Groups ... and No One Cares?

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted March 17, 2007.


Seymour Hersh's recent report that Iran-Contra veterans working out of Dick Cheney's office are using stolen funds from Iraq to arm al Qaeda-tied groups and foment a larger Sunni-Shia war is a very big deal.
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Let me see if I've got this straight.

Perhaps two years ago, an "informal" meeting of "veterans" of the 1980s Iran-Contra scandal -- holding positions in the Bush administration -- was convened by Deputy National Security Advisor Elliott Abrams. Discussed were the "lessons learned" from that labyrinthine, secret, and illegal arms-for-money-for-arms deal involving the Israelis, the Iranians, the Saudis, and the Contras of Nicaragua, among others -- and meant to evade the Boland Amendment, a congressionally passed attempt to outlaw Reagan administration assistance to the anti-communist Contras.

In terms of getting around Congress, the Iran-Contra vets concluded, the complex operation had been a success -- and would have worked far better if the CIA and the military had been kept out of the loop and the whole thing had been run out of the Vice President's office.



Subsequently, some of those conspirators, once again with the financial support and help of the Saudis (and probably the Israelis and the Brits), began running a similar operation, aimed at avoiding congressional scrutiny or public accountability of any sort, out of Vice President Cheney's office. They dipped into "black pools of money," possibly stolen from the billions of Iraqi oil dollars that have never been accounted for since the American occupation began.

Some of these funds, as well as Saudi ones, were evidently funneled through the embattled, Sunni-dominated Lebanese government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora to the sort of Sunni jihadi groups ("some sympathetic to al-Qaeda") whose members might normally fear ending up in Guantanamo and to a group, or groups, associated with the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood.





All of this was being done as part of a "sea change" in the Bush administration's Middle Eastern policies aimed at rallying friendly Sunni regimes against Shiite Iran, as well as Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Syrian government -- and launching secret operations to undermine, roll back, or destroy all of the above. Despite the fact that the Bush administration is officially at war with Sunni extremism in Iraq (and in the more general Global War on Terror), despite its support for the largely Shiite government, allied to Iran, that it has brought to power in Iraq, and despite its dislike for the Sunni-Shiite civil war in that country, some of its top officials may be covertly encouraging a far greater Sunni-Shiite rift in the region.



Imagine. All this and much more (including news of U.S. military border-crossings into Iran, new preparations that would allow George W. Bush to order a massive air attack on that land with only 24-hours notice, and a brief window this spring when the staggering power of four U.S. aircraft-carrier battle groups might be available to the President in the Persian Gulf) was revealed, often in remarkable detail, just over a week ago in "The Redirection," a Seymour Hersh piece in the New Yorker. Hersh, the man who first broke the My Lai story in the Vietnam era, has never been off his game since. In recent years, from the Abu Ghraib scandal on, he has consistently released explosive news about the plans and acts of the Bush administration.



Imagine, in addition, that Hersh went on Democracy Now!, Fresh Air, Hardball with Chris Matthew, and CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer and actually elaborated on these claims and revelations, some of which, on the face of it, seem like potentially illegal and impeachable offenses, if they do indeed reach up to the Vice President or President.





Now imagine the response: Front-page headlines; editorials nationwide calling for answers, Congressional hearings, or even the appointment of a special prosecutor to look into some of the claims; a raft of op-ed page pieces by the nation's leading columnists asking questions, demanding answers, reminding us of the history of Iran-Contra; bold reporters from a recently freed media standing up in White House and Defense Department press briefings to demand more information on Hersh's various charges; calls in Congress for hearings and investigations into why the people's representatives were left so totally out of this loop.



Uh ...




All I can say is: If any of this happened, I haven't been able to discover it. As far as I can tell, no one in the mainstream even blinked on the Iran-Contra angle or the possibility that a vast, secret Middle Eastern operation is being run, possibly illegally and based on stolen funds and Saudi money, out of the Vice President's office. You can certainly find a few pieces on, or reports about, "The Redirection" -- all focused only on the possible build-up to a war with Iran -- and the odd wire-service mention of it; but nothing major, nothing Earth-shaking or eye-popping; not, in fact, a single obvious editorial or op-ed piece in the mainstream; no journalistic questions publicly asked of the administration; no Congressional cries of horror; no calls anywhere for investigations or hearings on any of Hersh's revelations, not even an expression of fear somewhere that we might be seeing Iran-Contra, the sequel, in our own moment.




This, it seems to me, adds up to a remarkable non-response to claims that, if true, should gravely concern Congress, the media, and the nation. Let's grant that Hersh's New Yorker pieces generally arrive unsourced and filled with anonymuous officials ("a former senior intelligence official," "a U.S. government consultant with close ties to Israel"). Nonetheless, Hersh has long mined his sources in the Intelligence Community and the military to striking effect. Undoubtedly, the lack of sourcing makes it harder for other reporters to follow-up, though when it comes to papers like the Washington Post and the New York Times, you would think that they might have Washington sources of their own to query on Hersh's claims. And, of course, editorial pages, columnists, op-ed editors, Congressional representatives, and reporters at administration news briefings don't need to do any footwork at all to raise these subjects. (Consider, for instance, the White House press briefing on April 10, 2006, where a reporter did indeed ask a question based on an earlier Hersh New Yorker piece.) As far as I can tell, there haven't even been denunciations of Hersh's report or suggestions anywhere that it was inaccurate or off-base. Just the equivalent of a giant, collective shrug of the media's rather scrawny shoulders.




Since the response to Hersh's remarkable piece has been so tepid in places where it should count, let me take up just a few of the many issues his report raises.



"Meddling" in Iran




For at least a month now, our press and TV news have been full to the brim with mile-high headlines and top-of-the-news stories recounting (and, more rarely, disputing) Bush administration claims of Iranian "interference" or "meddling" in Iraq (where U.S. military spokesmen regularly refer to the Iraqi insurgents they are fighting as "anti-Iraq forces"). Since Hersh published "Plan B" in the New Yorker in June 2004 in which he claimed that the Israelis were "running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria," he has been on the other side of this story.



In "The Coming Wars" in January of 2005, he first reported that the Bush administration, like the Israelis, had been "conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since" the summer of 2004. In April of 2006 in "The Iran Plans," he reported that the Bush administration was eager to put the "nuclear option" on the table in any future air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities (and that some in the Pentagon, fiercely opposed, had at least temporarily thwarted planning for the possible use of nuclear bunker-busters in Iran). He also reported that American combat units were "on the ground" in Iran, marking targets for any future air attack, and quoted an unnamed source as claiming that they were also "working with minority groups in Iran, including the Azeris, in the north, the Baluchis, in the southeast, and the Kurds, in the northeast. The troops ëare studying the terrain, and giving away walking-around money to ethnic tribes, and recruiting scouts from local tribes and shepherds,' the consultant said. One goal is to get ëeyes on the ground' ... The broader aim, the consultant said, is to ëencourage ethnic tensions' and undermine the regime."





In "The Redirection," he now claims that, in search of Iranian rollback and possible regime change, "American military and special-operations teams have escalated their activities in Iran to gather intelligence and, according to a Pentagon consultant on terrorism and the former senior intelligence official, have also crossed the [Iranian] border in pursuit of Iranian operatives from Iraq." In his Democracy Now! radio interview, he added: "[W]e have been deeply involved with Azeris and Baluchis and Iranian Kurds in terror activities inside the country ... and, of course, the Israelis have been involved in a lot of that through Kurdistan ... Iran has been having sort of a series of backdoor fights, the Iranian government, because ... they have a significant minority population. Not everybody there is a Persian. If you add up the Azeris and Baluchis and Kurds, you're really 30-some [%], maybe even 40% of the country."



In addition, he reported that "a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours," and that its "new assignment" was to identify not just nuclear facilities and possible regime-change targets, but "targets in Iran that may be involved in supplying or aiding militants in Iraq."



Were there nothing else in Hersh's most recent piece, all of this would still have been significant news -- if we didn't happen to live on a one-way imperial planet in which Iranian "interference" in (American) Iraq is an outrage, but secret U.S. operations in, and military plans to devastate, Iran are your basic ho-hum issue. Our mainstream news purveyors don't generally consider the issue of our "interference" in Iran worthy of a great deal of reporting, nor do our pundits consider it a topic worthy of speculation or consideration; nor, in a Congress where leading Democrats have regularly outflanked the Bush administration in hawkish positions on Iran, is this likely to be much of an issue.



You can read abroad about rumored American operations out of Pakistan and Afghanistan aimed at unsettling Iranian minorities like the Baluchis and about possible operations to create strife among Arab minorities in southern Iran near the Iraqi border -- the Iranians seem to blame the British, whose troops are in southern Iraq, for some of this (a charge vociferously denied by the British embassy in Tehran) -- but it's not a topic of great interest here.





In recent months, in fact, several bombs have gone off in minority regions of Iran. These explosions have been reported here, but you would be hard-pressed to find out what the Iranians had to say about them, and the possibility that any of these might prove part of a U.S. (or Anglo-American) covert campaign to destabilize the Iranian fundamentalist regime basically doesn't concern the news mind here, even though past history says it should. After all, many of our present Middle Eastern problems can be indirectly traced back to the Anglo-American ur-moment in the Middle East, the successful CIA-British-intelligence plot in 1953 to oust Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh (who had nationalized the Iranian oil industry) and install the young Shah in power.



After all, in the 1980s, in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan, the CIA (with the eager connivance of the Pakistanis and the Saudis) helped organize, arm, and fund the Islamic extremists who would someday turn on us for terror campaigns on a major scale. As Steve Coll reported in his superb book Ghost Wars, for instance, "Under ISI [Pakistani intelligence] direction, the mujahedin received training and malleable explosives to mount car-bomb and even camel-bomb attacks in Soviet-occupied cities, usually designed to kill Soviet soldiers and commanders. [CIA Director William] Casey endorsed these despite the qualms of some CIA career officers."





Similarly, in the early 1990s, the Iraq National Accord, an organization run by the CIA's Iraqi exile of choice, Iyad Allawi, evidently planted, under the Agency's direction, car bombs and explosive devices in Baghdad (including in a movie theater) in a fruitless attempt to destabilize Saddam Hussein's regime. The New York Times reported this on its front page in June 2004 (to no effect whatsoever), when Allawi was the Prime Minister of American-occupied Iraq.



Who knows where the funding, training, and equipment for the bombings in Iran are coming from -- but, at a moment when charges that the Iranians are sending into Iraq advanced IEDs, or the means to produce them, are the rage, it seems a germane subject.



In this country, it's a no-brainer that the Iranians have no right whatsoever to put their people, overtly or covertly, into neighboring Iraq, a country which, back in the 1980s, invaded Iran and fought a bitter eight-year war with it, resulting in perhaps a million casualties; but it's just normal behavior for the Pentagon to have traveled halfway across the planet to dominate the Iraqi military, garrison Iraq with a string of vast permanent bases, build the largest embassy on the planet in Baghdad's Green Zone, and send special-operations teams (and undoubtedly CIA teams as well) across the Iranian border, or to insert them in Iran to do "reconnaissance" or even to foment unrest among its minorities. This is the definition of an imperial worldview.



Sleepless Nights





Let's leave Iran now and briefly take up a couple of other matters highlighted in "The Redirection" that certainly should have raised the odd red flag and pushed the odd alarm button here at home far more than his Iranian news (which did at least get some attention):



1. Iran-Contra Redux: Does it raise no eyebrows that, under the leadership of Elliot Abrams (who in the Iran-Contra period pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawfully withholding information from Congress and was later pardoned), such a meeting was held? Does no one want to confirm that this happened? Does no one want to know who attended? Iran-Contra alumni in the Bush administration at one time or another included former Reagan National Security Advisor John Poindexter, Otto Reich, John Negroponte (who, Hersh claims, recently left his post as Director of National Intelligence in order to avoid the twenty-first century version of Iran-Contra -- "No way. I'm not going down that road again, with the N.S.C. [National Security Council] running operations off the books, with no [presidential] finding."), Roger Noriega, and Robert Gates. Did the Vice President or President sit in? Was either of them informed about the "lessons drawn"? Were the Vice President's right-hand men, I. Lewis Libby and/or David Addington in any way involved? Who knows? In the Iran-Contra affair, the Reagan administration drew together the seediest collection of freelance arms dealers, intelligence agents, allies, and -- in the case of Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian regime -- sworn enemies in what can only be called "amateur hour" at the White House. Now, it looks like the Bush administration is heading down a similar path and, given its previous "amateur hour" reputation in foreign policy, imagine what this is likely to mean.





2. Jihadis as Proxies: Using jihadis as American proxies in a struggle to rollback Iran -- with the help of the Saudis -- should have rung a few bells somewhere in American memory as another been-there, done-that moment. In the 1980s -- on the theory that my enemy's enemy is my friend -- the fundamentalist Catholic CIA Director William Casey came to believe that Islamic fundamentalists could prove tight and trustworthy allies in rolling back the Soviet Union. In Afghanistan, as a result, the CIA, backed by the Saudis royals, who themselves represented an extremist form of Sunni Islam, regularly favored and funded the most extreme of the mujahedeen ready to fight the Soviets. Who can forget the results? Today, according to Hersh, the Saudis are reassuring key figures in the administration that this time they have the jihadis to whom funds are flowing under control. No problem. If you believe that, you'll believe anything.





3. Congress in the Dark: Hersh claims that, with the help of Saudi National Security Adviser Prince Bandar bin Sultan (buddy to the Bushes and Dick Cheney's close comrade-in-arms), the people running the black-ops programs out of Cheney's office have managed to run circles around any possibility of Congressional oversight, leaving the institution completely "in the dark," which is undoubtedly exactly where Congress wanted to be for the last six years. Is this still true? The non-reaction to the Hersh piece isn't exactly encouraging.



To summarize, if Hersh is to be believed -- and as a major journalistic figure for the last near-40 years he certainly deserves to be taken seriously -- the Bush administration seems to be repeating the worst mistakes of the Reagan administration and of the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan, which led inexorably to the greatest acts of blowback in our history. Given what we already know about the Bush administration, Americans should be up nights worrying about what all this means now as well as down the line. For Congress, the media, and Americans in general, this report should have been not just a wake-up call, but a shout for an all-nighter with NoDoz.



In my childhood, one of the Philadelphia papers regularly ran cartoon ads for itself in which some poor soul in a perilous situation -- say, clinging to the ledge of a tall building -- would be screaming for help, while passersby were so engrossed in the paper that they didn't even look up. Now, we have the opposite situation. A journalist essentially writing bloody murder in a giant media and governmental crowd. In this case, no one in the mainstream evidently cares -- not yet anyway -- to pay the slightest attention. It seems that there's a crime going on and no one gives a damn. Think Kitty Genovese on a giant scale.

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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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Careful AlterNet, 9/11 Truth is just around the corner.
Posted by: LeftWright on Mar 17, 2007 12:30 AM   
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If you'd read Michel Chossudovsky or Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed then you'd already know that "al Qaeda" is simply a creation of the ISI, CIA, MI6 and Saudi Intelligence.

Finally realizing the GWOT is something other than what dear Georgie and Dickie told you?

Keep digging, AlterNet, you don't want to be the last one to figure it out.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Criminals
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 17, 2007 12:31 AM   
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The very fact that so many of these Iran/Contra thugs, who otherwise would have gone to federal prison were they not pardoned by Poppy Bush - who should have gone to federal prison himself - have positions of respect and authority in the administration of his half-witted son - who will die in federal prison, trust me - speaks volumes.

The trillion dollar shit storm is about to hit the fan, of that you may be absolutely certain. This administration is as dead as a doornail. It's not going to survive the year. The Bush White House is about to be pulverized into dust (NOTE TO THE SECRET SERVICE: Figuratively speaking, of course, dear lads). By this time next year the president and a good number of the disgusting pieces of shit that comprise this nightmare of an administration will be on their way to the hoose gow for the rest of their lives. Don't count on Dick Cheney sticking around to recieve justice - given the state of his health, the dirty old bastard is going to drop dead any day now. Good riddence.

The damage that these hideous people have done to your once-great country wil be palpable a century and a half from now. Doensn't that make you angry? Ooooohhhh! I could just give someone such a pinch!

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Where Do Those Sunni Terrorists Spend the Money
Posted by: BobBrrz on Mar 17, 2007 2:17 AM   
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Most of the IEDs used against American troops in Iraq are
Sunni in origin. Are some of those weapons being financed
by U.S. money?

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What's going to happen when only the 5% certifiable believe the lies?
Posted by: xbj on Mar 17, 2007 3:32 AM   
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What insane suicidal stunt are BushCheneyCo and the Nazicons going to pull once the 30% of flag-waving NASCAR morons that believe their lies bleed down to a mere 5% of the population (absolutely certifiably insane) that will be the only ones who DON'T believe that BushCheneyCo were Al Qaeda ALL ALONG, and saw to it that the WTC was demolished with all those folks inside?

Not to mention turned the US into Nazi Amerika along the way?

What will they pull then? This crew never takes the ball and goes home to fight again another day, they WIRE THE BALL, blow up the entire neighborhood, and Columbine their way out of it, they way they've Columbined their way out of every miserable failure in their miserable worthless lives.

Worry about what they are going to do once EVERYONE who is NOT CETRIFIABLE knows the truth, FINALLY. It took a long time to learn the truth about JFK, and it is arguable that we still don't know it all.

But that was one man, not 3,000. The TRUTH is coming, it's hurtling at us at the speed of light, and everyone had better be prepared. Know full well that they would absolutely nuke this country from sea to shining sea without a second thought with their families safe underground in South America rather than let it go into full revolution.

And there's no one powerful enough willing to stop them either.

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Yes, are they finding attacks like these?
Posted by: KevinHayden on Mar 17, 2007 5:25 AM   
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Directly or indirectly, if it's resulting in chemical attacks, it's time for Congress to ratchet up their investigations and move towards war crimes trials

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Neocons: The traitors among us
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 17, 2007 5:35 AM   
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America's REAL enemies are the architects of Gulf War 2: VP Cheney, his former aide, Scooter Libby, ex-DOD Secretary Don Rumsfeld, his former assistant turned World Bank president, Paul Wolfowitz, and the current U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad.

All are founders of the fascist front organization, "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC). The president is connected to PNAC through his brother, Jeb, an original signatory.

As PNAC members, the White House Gang approved the organization's published goal of invading Iraq before 9/11.

Issued when Bill Clinton was in office, the PNAC position paper eerily predicted that the first preemptive war in U.S. history would be supported by the American people if they suffered a "catastrophic and catalyzing Pearl Harbor-type event" (PNAC's words). Thus, to Bush and his neocon cabal, 9/11 was an excuse to attack Iraq, not a cause.

Another motive behind PNAC's imperialist aggression is personal profit. Because of fortunes made by PNAC members from the pre-Iraq invasion build-up and ongoing occupation -- primarily through Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, military-industrial stock holdings and global investment funds -- neocons deserve to be called "war whores."

For a list of 225 PNAC members, visit www.King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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The Media controls the message
Posted by: kencohen on Mar 17, 2007 5:37 AM   
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It seems that the fast and simple media ( TV news, USA Today, etc) has consistently fed into Bush's message lock, stock and barrel. The slow and complicated media (books, New Yorker etc) has provided a steady drumbeat of truth that has been very slow to reach America's consiousness. Seymour Hersh has steadfastly kept his hand on the pulse of Bush's lies. distortions and manipulations. The 2006 elections was a very hopeful indication that demonstrates the American people are hearing the truth over the propaganda dribble.
Bush's latest "surge" ( in truth, an escalation) once again exposes his rigid, authoritarian mindset that he is right and to hell with the collective wisdom and opinions of our Democracy. He is gambling with a double or nothing approach to Iraq and the Middle East. By vilefying Iran and siding with the Sunni interests, this administration is once again, recklessly escalating the war to embroil and destabilize the entire region. Bush is throwing the chips into the air and hoping that they will realign in favor of the neocon's position. The consequences are clear and dangerous as Hersh has exposed. Fueling al Qaida in favor of Hezbullah is a dangerous gamble that bets the escalated religious war will be won by the Sunnis and secure the region in favor of Bush's friends and oil partners. Bush is gambling that the Sunnis will in fact win and the Saudis will then be able to control and muzzle their pitbulls once the "mission is accomplished". Hersh points out that the Saudis have already demonstrated their inability to reign in their Salafi pitbulls as evidenced in the emergence of al Qaida after the Saudi's let them loose in Afghanistan. Bush has already proven to be a terrible poker player and now is betting all of his chips (in truth, OUR chips) on a pair of jacks. His bluffs are transparent.
The most recent books by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Second Chance) and Isikoff (Hubris) are the latest installments of truth.
Now with Congress maintaining the steady surveilance of the Administration's actions and holding hearings on all of the lies and unlawful behaviors, I fear that Bush et. al. are reacting like cornered animals escalating their aggression in a last gasp attempt to salvage their interests, power and grandiosity. I am outraged with the continued carnage and human suffering they continue to cause to justify their blind ideological beliefs. Hopefully, we will be able to stop this insanity before this administration does too much more destruction.

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9-11 Inside Job
Posted by: Bushguiltyof911 on Mar 17, 2007 5:38 AM   
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if Seymour is accurate and I would bet that he is, then why is it so many people are unwilling to consider that Dick Cheney and the neocons planned and orchestrated 9/11.

please go to the following link on my website and listen to my talks on the obvious lies and deceptions of the 9/11 commission and why the physical evidence and the laws of nature do not support the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Here is the link:http://www.bushstole04.com/911/webmaster_talks.htm

I have hundreds of articles and streaming videos that clearly show that elements of the Bush administration were involved in the planning and orchestration of 9/11.Norad stood down on 9/11 and probably was involved in remotely controlling the planes into their targets.

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The traitors among us: More acts of neocon treason.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 17, 2007 6:10 AM   
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Consider this laundry list of Bush administration transgressions, deceptions and outright lies.

So-called Iraqi WMDs.
"Immediate" threats.
Yellow-cake uranium.
Aluminum tubes.
Mobile biological weapons labs.
Ties to Al Qaeda.
A 9/11 connection.
The Valerie Plame/CIA leak case.
Secret overseas prisons.
Torture.
Warrantless wiretaps of United States citizens.
Phony Al Qaeda plots.
False claims that the America is safer now from terrorism than before 9/11.
Concealing the real cost of Gulf War 2.
Understating Iraqi civilian casualties.
Embellishing U.S. successes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Misrepresenting the only wartime tax cut in American history.
Economically betraying senior citizens, the middle class and working poor .
Downplaying global warming.
Claiming wounded GIs got the best treatment possible at Walter Reed.
Preventing the coffins of returning GIs from being seen by the public.
Hiding injured Iraq veterans from the press after landing stateside.
Declassifying intelligence information for political purposes.
Firing U.S. attorneys for the same reason.

Add to the list the falsified Bush biography I found on a U.S. State Department website in 2004.

Brazenly, George W.'s phony history claimed he had flown National Guard F102s almost SIX years when the actual time was 27 months. The text contained other misrepresentations as well -- all intentional, not typos or mistaken dictation.

To validate my discovery, I called the Boston Globe. Impressed, it ran the story the next morning, on 02/28/04, under the headline, "Bush Bio on Web Inflates Guard Service," and gave me credit as the source.

For more information about the Rosetta Stone of White House corruption, visit my website, www.King-George.biz.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican and the author of "George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT."

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Just Curious
Posted by: LimeyPhish on Mar 17, 2007 6:26 AM   
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Why use a picture of a Hamas protestor on the email?

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» RE: cause Americans are racist Posted by: Ghoulman
» Did it work on you? Posted by: rwa
NOBODY IS GOING TO JAIL
Posted by: lrrysgl on Mar 17, 2007 6:34 AM   
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Unfortunately, as much as I'd love to see these SOBs rot in jail, it ain't gonna happen. While the repukes may be chickenhawks we have a chickensh*t congress that won't do squat. There are so many domestic and international laws these SOBs have broken they should have been thrown in jail years ago.

Libby will probably get out on appeal or by Bush pardon.

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The June 2002 Plan to Market a New 9/11 Mastermind by Chaim Kupferberg
Posted by: rwa on Mar 17, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Khalid Sheikh Mohamed was arrested in March 2003 and was then imprisoned for more than three years in secret CIA detention facilities. He claims to have made this confession without any form of pressure being exerted on him. Several press reports suggest that he was tortured.

Khalid Sheikh Mohamed personifies the "outside enemy" of America. His "confession" upholds the illusion that Al Qaeda outwitted the 40 billion dollar US intelligence apparatus, in waging a terrorist attack on America.

The arrest and confessed statements of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed serve to uphold the official 9/11 narrative, namely that the 9/11 attacks were masterminded by Islamic terrorists.

The following text by Chaim Kupferberg, first published by Global Research in October 2003, shortly after the arrest of KSM, reveals with foresight and accuracy the nature of the propaganda ploy. According to Kupferberg, a "marketing plan" was established in June 2002 to introduce Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the public as the 9/11 mastermind.

Kupferberg exposes with accuracy and foresight, how the official legend was fabricated around Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

His analysis reveals the historical background behind the creation of the 9/11 Legend. The latter serves to drown the lies and inconsistencies contained in the official 9/11 narrative; it also sustains the "global war on terrorism".

Serious doubts have been expressed on the authenticity of the KSM confession. The latter is ultimately intended, in a clumsy and inept fashion, to uphold the shaky legitimacy of the Bush administration...

full story

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al Qaeda ?
Posted by: sonex on Mar 17, 2007 8:02 AM   
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Just a small correction, It's spelled al CIAda ...please get it right next time AlterNot ...

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» RE: al Qaeda ? CIAda... Posted by: blitzmesser
The New Great Game
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 17, 2007 9:31 AM   
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In the late 1940s Owen Lattimore, the nation's leading Asianist, was asked by the Senate Foreign Relations Council to report on the Middle East. The result: The Situation in Asia. Lattimore suggested that Arabs were "out of control," an unstoppable force of modernization in the Third World. Perhaps it was time to negotiate with them, rather than continue to try to oppress them. Lattimore was subsequently accused of harboring communist sympathies and destroyed by Senator Joseph McCarthy, but many in the State Department took his analysis very seriously.

Others disagreed. In Dollars for Terror, published in English in 2000, Richard Labeviere, a prize winning Swiss journalist documents how the CIA convinced policy makers that the oppression of Arabs was still feasible. Aiding and abetting Saudi fundamentalists to split the Arabic world between modernists and old-style jihadists was one of their proposed tactics, and in large measure it worked for quite awhile. As one commentor below notes, Al Qaeda was indeed a product of this process.

Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote The Grand Chessboard while Carter's top adviser during the 1970s. Although it wasn't published until later it became immensely influential from its inception. Colleague Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations grew directly out of it. Both works became keystones of Neolib/Neocon policy based on the CIA's view of how the twentieth century version of The Great Game (some readers may recall Rudyard Kiplings novel Kim, or the film Lawrence of Arabia describing how the British attempted to manipulate the Middle East during previous centuries) should be played. Manipulation and oppression of lesser peoples by more "civilized," more "developed" and most important, more powerful peoples should be encouraged and perfected at all costs.

All of this has failed. It has all fallen apart, as Lattimore implicitly predicted. Less as the result of the horror of Iraq occupation, than of the failure in Lebanon: (1) the Christian Phalangists did not invite the US finally to place bases there, upon its seaboard; (2) Syria and Iran, Sunni and Shiite, were revealed as full partners in developing and managing a remarkably well-equipped, compent Hezbollah; (3) Putin essentially spat on Bush's offer of IMF membership and fast paced integration into the EEC in exchance for non-interference in US-Iran relations; (4) and summing all the above, the very real possibility now of an "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" arrangement between the Islamic Fundamentalist Movement (including Al Qaeda) and a new Pan-Arabic-Nation States movement led by Iran-Syria. Such an arrangement would potentially present the United States with the prospect of fighting a well organized nation without borders, occupying every hemisphere.

In this light, Chainy's machinations should be viewed less as clever, clandestine, covert and evil than as desperate flailing. Much more than US morality is at stake, I perceive, should the citizenry allow this Administration to continue to sail the ship of state.

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Big Media's Owners Need NeoCons & the DLC
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 17, 2007 9:52 AM   
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The corporate masters of our nation's media outlets want more and more consolidation, which will only happen with the active support of NeoCons and DLC 'Republican Lites'. The last thing in the world that they want is to piss them off. As usual, in AMerica it's all about money.

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Just What If?
Posted by: BAKslider on Mar 17, 2007 10:13 AM   
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Notice that story yesterday about the $200+ million they found in a "drug lord's lair" in Mexico?

Got me to thinkin'... When we flew into Iraq with pallets full of $100 bills and started handing out a couple billion, were the serial numbers of the bills noted by the powers that be? If not, why not? Could be a real easy way to see where the taxpayer money went after disappearing into thin air in Baghdad.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of it coming back through the Federal Reserve via a lot of interesting off-shore banking entities.

Wouldn't surprise me if the NeoCon billions started showing up in odd places like "drug lord lairs" in Mexico.

Follow the money.

-Greg Forest

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» Well, it ain't oil Posted by: Frish
I guess my question is...
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 17, 2007 10:36 AM   
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why is anyone so surprised that this is not being covered by the media? Let's see, FBI misuse of NSL is Friday news Throwaway to be overshadowed by USA firings; Troop surge covers call for Civilian Reserve Corps. (Blackwater, et. al) to protect America; and on and on and on. The media has shown itself to not only be the single largest propaganda machine in the world, but also the stupidest, most pathetic group of so-called reporters in the world. Everytime something truly ugly shows up on the radar, they allow themselves to be sidetracked from any real journalism by easy fluff pieces that are spoon fed to them like suckers in a con game.

Journalism used to be populated with the likes of Seymour Hersh and Bob Woodard and Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow, but now it is a profession filled with wannabe actors like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Hannity & Colmes. America never sees the news anymore, and it takes hours of piecing together odd items or trailers in the paper to find the facts, because the truth is now buried.

When Bush was put in office in 2000, I told people that this man was not to be trusted, that he had an agenda that would not serve this country well. My family and friends told me I was paranoid. When 9/11 happened, I cried with the rest of America - not just for the lives lost, but for what was coming because my first thoughts were Bush now has his excuse for war. When the London train bombings happened, my first thought was - a black ops operation to stop the G8 conference that was going to focus on US failure to address global warming (remember Bush warned Blair not to go there or there would be consequences). Blackwater troops under contract to our government were sent to New Orleans after Katrina, and were nothing more than vigilantes sent to kill rather than assist. In Iraq these mercenary troops are not counted among the dead or wounded, but they are also not accountable for the actions they take - they dress like US military to patrol neighborhoods, assault Iraqi civilians, barge into their homes, and other crimes, including theft and rapes - then leave honest American service personnel to take the rap for their excesses. That is why Col. Westhusing and hundreds of other soldiers commit suicide - they have been dishonored as soldiers and human beings, and their own government is paying the bill.

See my website for what I think the first 100 days of a New President should include. No quarter given for dishonorable men and women. And, America must take action to change how we govern ourselves, because in the end, it is the people who voted these madmen into office, not just the White House, but Congress as well.

http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com

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WHY ARE YOU POSTING ON THIS WEB SITE????
Posted by: anonimus1 on Mar 17, 2007 10:42 AM   
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The majority of people reading this web site already know what is going on.

Go post these comments and these articles on the fundamentalist Christian, the Catholic, the Catholic latino, the NRA, and the anti-abortion web sites.

Doing anything here is a waste of time.

If you are going to speak out and risk your own freedom (your IP address here is forever archived by the US govt) then may as well make it count. That is, while you still have access to the Internet.

The Internet remains free to you because it allows the government to identify government dissenters. They know where you live. You will be hunted down 2, 5, even 15 years from now for what you are posting online today.

Make it count!

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» TO anonimus: WOOOO, I'm SCARED! Posted by: HughScott
ECLECTICIST- S. JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Mar 17, 2007 12:42 PM   
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If anyone of Americans that are concerned about our Beloved America, be sure that you know that the fat, dumb, and happy , couldn't care less Americans outnumber us...But they will be the ones blaming the illegals, the blacks, Latinos, everyone except the Bush 'the weasel". Cheney "THe slick fox", and all of those greedy, rich, patriotic Americans that continually stuffing their pockets with cash...
Remember :

"To put the world in order, we must first put the nation
in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the
family in order; to put the family in order, our personal
life, we must first set our hearts right. "- Confucius


S. JIM RODRIGUEZ-ECLECTICIST SPIRIT SEEKER

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In "Vichy America" the hidden Empire defines what to "care about"
Posted by: amacd on Mar 17, 2007 1:55 PM   
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Tom, you are exasperated that "For Congress, the media, and Americans in general, this report should have been not just a wake-up call, but a shout for an all-nighter with NoDoz."

But in the very real "Vichy America" that we live in, shocking information, like Hersh's report, is hidden in plain site, but not reported or viewed as a 'big deal' ----- just like the hidden gambling in the back room of Rick's Cafe, but in this case the MSM doesn't even have to bother to pretend to be shocked. There's no NYT or Washington Post need to even feign, "We're shocked, shocked that Empire is going on here!" --- they just don't report it and ignore it all together.

What was really going on in "Casablanca" was a militarist Empire (the Nazis) hiding behind a very obvious "Vichy France" --- which was well understood even by the French 'working girls' at the bar.

But in "Vichy America" we are facing a facade of a government which is orders of magnitude more sophisticated in being merely the veil over the real Empire behind it.

In "Vichy America" the charade is viewed as reality, and the global militarist Empire behind it is infinately better disguised and not perceived (or reported by MSM) as even existing. [In fact, I can attest with absolute proof from dozens of MSM papers that if you write about a "global corporate Empire" as being a reality in this country, and write of a "Vichy America" as only being the phony facade, you will be viewed as a conspiracy nut.]

The militarist Empire quite obviously behind "Vichy France" was the Nazi Empire --- and it was very easy for anyone committed to fighting that deadly, oppressive, militarist and insane fascist Empire to easily see behind the facade and just as obviously join the real 'resistance'.

But today, the much more sophisticated, guileful, and militarist Empire -- the global corporate/finacial elite Empire, that has completely taken over our entire country and instituted their own facade of "Vichy America" ----- is not at all believed to be the fascist hand behind this much better disguised curtain.

Even Goebbels might well be fooled by (or at least would admire) the modern propagandist PR charade of "Vichy America", and perhaps say to himself, "Why didn't we do that fantastic a job? --- Why they don't even know they are in the belly of an Empire!".

I can only hope that many other Americans will soon recognize the inhumanity of the real empire hiding behind the facade of a quietly and guilefully created “Vichy America”.

If so, Tom, I would only say what Bogey said to Capitaine Renault as they walked together to fight the real underlying fascist Empire, “I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship”.

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Ask around to see if anyone has heard about the Hersh piece.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 17, 2007 2:47 PM   
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So far, I haven't found anyone. I don't watch the tube. I expect that if I tuned into Pacifica Radio, I might well hear about it. But except for the progressive blogs, listener supported radio, and "The New Yorker" Hersh might as well be writing letters to the editor.

The Bush administration (ala Cheney/Rove) adopted the strategy long ago of demanding the impossible--only to confuse the opposition while they used power to do whatever they wanted. Our system of checks and balances was disabled by an electorate that gave Bush whatever he wanted.

In the run-up to WWII, it was Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. who wanted dictators to be in charge. In my school years after the war, my professors told me that could never happen here.

Yet we had Reagan funding a private war in Central America, along with illegal arms deals in the Middle East. I do not even remember if anyone (certainly not Oliver North; Virginia almost elected him senator) even had their wrist slapped for violating the law. (Rumors have it that the setup began with the defeat of Carter by GHW Bush persuading the Iranians to hold the American hostages until after the election.)

So, yes, turning over the decision-making to those who will pay, with hard cash or its equivalent in arms, outside the public framework of our democracy has been a long time coming. Clinton was ridiculed by the press for calling it a "vast rightwing conspiracy." The press apparently doesn't want anything to change.

Will we find candidates in the next election who will dare to point out the corruption? Would anyone who dared to lay out the case get elected? Or will it take someone who knows but who pretends otherwise? Yes, like Hillary Clinton?

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» He was a guest on Bill Maher's show last week Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - George Orwell
Posted by: aPassionateAttachment on Mar 17, 2007 4:46 PM   
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August 2002, Gen. Wesley Clark

"Secondly, those who favour this attack now will tell you candidly, and privately, that it is probably true that Saddam Hussein is no threat to the United States.

"But they are afraid at some point he might decide if he had a nuclear weapon to use it against Israel."

guardian.co.uk


Joe Wilson - June 14, 2003

"The real agenda in all of this of course, was to redraw the political map of the Middle East. Now that is code, whether you like it or not, but it is code for putting into place the strategy memorandum that was done by Richard Perle and his study group in the mid-90's which was called, "A Clean Break - A New Strategy for the Realm." And what it is, cut to the quick, is if you take out some of these countries, some of these governments that are antagonistic to Israel then you provide the Israeli government with greater wherewithal to impose its terms and conditions upon the Palestinian people, whatever those terms and conditions might be. In other words, the road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad and Damascus. Maybe Tehran. And maybe Cairo and maybe Tripoli if these guys actually have their way. Rather than going through Jerusalem."

19:46: mp3, right click-save as

"I think there are a number of issues at play; there's a number of competing agendas. One is the remaking of the map of the Middle East for Israeli security, and my fear is that when it becomes increasingly apparent that this was all done to make Sharon's life easier and that American soldiers are dying in order to enable Sharon to impose his terms upon the Palestinians that people will wonder why it is American boys and girls are dying for Israel and that will undercut a strategic relationship and a moral obligation that we've had towards Israel for 55 years. I think it's a terribly flawed strategy."

13:33: mp3


Gen. Anthony Zinni
Zinni on 60 Minutes video
Zinni on Meet the Press
WaPo: For Vietnam Vet Anthony Zinni, Another War on Shaky Territory


Gen. Wesley Clark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOiMmekGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nch43wy8Zb8


The War Party - BBC

The World According to Bush (1 of 4)

NY Times: Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon

Wiki: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

[NY Times columnist Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

Haaretz

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Corporate media censorship is the problem
Posted by: Alan8 on Mar 17, 2007 4:49 PM   
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This is an explosive issue. People would care about it -- if they ever heard of it.

The corporate media are covering up ALL these scandals because of their alliance with the right-wing forces that have taken over our government.

This is FASCISM.

See http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm especially points #6 and #9.

This is a very difficult problem to deal with, because the TV networks, newspapers, etc are privately owned. Even if the government wasn't controlled by the wealthy, through their corporations, government regulation of the media would open the door to worse abuses.

The only solution is to get news from alternate, non-corporate sources on the Internet, and defend net neutrality: www.aclu.org/freespeech/internet/27159res20061023.html

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FASCIST PLUTOCRACY @ the old WAR PARTY
Posted by: Hal on Mar 17, 2007 5:40 PM   
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“This [media blackout re: Seymour Hersh story] it seems to me, adds up to a remarkable non-response to claims that, if true, should gravely concern Congress, the media, and the nation… In this case, no one in the mainstream evidently cares -- not yet anyway -- to pay the slightest attention.”

Here we go again… “Alternative” media critiques the MSM by limited hangout whitewash with the usual bankrupt excuses. That is: the MSM is lazy, incompetent, intimidated, or in this case, apathetic, etc. In other words, all the same “reasons” that were used for MSM blackout of an ongoing 911 cover-up with the ramp up to an arrantly bogus “war on terror”.

This pundit forgot to mention that it wasn’t just the Shah of Iran the CIA bulldozed into the Mid East. Contract killer Saddam was installed by Wall Street Attorney Allen Dulles to eventually butcher up to a million of his own for Iraq Petroleum Co and organized corporate crime. Did I mention Israeli spy scandals ? And then there’s CIA asset “Tim Osman” bin Laden, Al-Qaeda created by CIA and phony “al-Qaeda” cells galore to to distract and keep the good little sheep on the plantation.

Gee, it couldn’t be the MSM is corrupt, and a mere Mockingbird in the pocket of fascist oligarchs now could it?

Maybe it’s just random chance that people who bring up the issue of a vastly corrupted media are not on the payroll of some “rightwing” foundation, Think Tank, “news” organization or what passes for a “leftwing” foundation media machine.

And just maybe the entire game is cooked on behalf of what FDR called the usual “financial element.” A criminal fascist cartel that has been at the bottom of virtually every dirty war and man made crisis since before the Gilded Age.

But could Americans be so incredibly naïve? Seems that kind of ignorance would have to be rigged and purposely set up doesn’t it? When even traditional conservatives think gullible Americans have let the foxes run the hen house for far too long – you have to wonder.


“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)

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War is Peace, Failure is Success
Posted by: smendler on Mar 17, 2007 6:22 PM   
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This would seem to back up the contention that the Bushoids are in fact intent on creating and maintaining a state of Permanent War -- a superobjective that, if true, would explain so much about what this regime has been doing, wouldn't it?

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The term 'Neoconservative' has become keyword for a right-wing Jew, militant Zionst, etc.
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 17, 2007 8:19 PM   
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* BOOK: Murray Friedman. The Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish Intellectuals and the Shaping of Public Policy. Cambridge University Press, 2006. ISBN 0521545013.

* Neoconservatives...why won't anyone say that they're Jewish?

* Neoconservatism and American Jewry

* Neoconservatism as a "Jewish movement"

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Izrael is the USA's number one enemy
Posted by: lorenwrigley on Mar 17, 2007 8:20 PM   
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We should end all ties with that apartheid Nazi-like regime and at the very least stop giving away our hard earned and often wasted tax dollars to finace it's fucked up existance. I for one would not care if Tel Aviv was nuked.

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» Israel = the 51st state of the U.S. Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
Too many scandals
Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 17, 2007 10:23 PM   
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Too little time. This story is so complex that most people are not going to bother with it. It is closely followed by the US Attorneys firing scandal, which is also too complex for the ordinary American to comprehend. Then we have the Valerie Plame Wilson affair which most Americans seem not to perceive as a real breach of security and intelligence, even though that revelation was probably a treasonable offense. The related Scooter Libby conviction is perceived as a poor man taking a fall for his boss. And let's not get started on the whopping lies that led us into George's War.

The real threat for the world is that W, Cheney, et al will try a diversion to take the heat off. How about bombing Iran?

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perhaps it's time....
Posted by: bohdan on Mar 17, 2007 10:39 PM   
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It's also time to finally peel the "ignorance" label off George Bush. It seem unlikely that he was completely ignorant of all the underhanded dealings of his staff.

He shouldn't only be "held accountable' for what happened under his watch, he should also be exposed for full knowledge and culpability of these "impeachable/traitorous" acts.

Let's stop treating George Bush as a complete idiot and realize that he may only be half idiot and the other half ..... perhaps a devious, immoral, nasty, bully who is easily led to seek revenge against anyone who searches for the truth.

It's not just Cheney and Rove. The true villains are the troika of Bush, Cheney, and Rove.

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or how about......
Posted by: bohdan on Mar 17, 2007 10:41 PM   
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The only way to get to the bottom of all this is to send the Bush Administration to one of those "secret" overseas prisons and use torture on them all until they finally confess to all their crimes --- from A to Z.

Isn't that what they say works........?

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all of the shit
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 18, 2007 1:11 AM   
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Turn on all of the fans so that all of the people can smell all of the shit.

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» RE: all of the shit Posted by: Sandlin
American people are at fault...
Posted by: Blade on Mar 18, 2007 1:12 PM   
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Most people really don't care, really have bought into the idea that USA Americans are the Ruling Class of the world.
In this work, his last great pamphlet published in the winter of 1785-1786, Paine continued the discussion he began in Part II of the Rights of Man of the problem of the elimination of poverty and developed further his proposals for limiting the accumulation of property. The crux of the entire question of eliminating poverty, he points out, lay in the institution of private property, for this principle was the source of the evils of society. Landed property and private property, he argued, were made possible only by the operation of society since whatever property men accumulated beyond their own labor came from the fact that they lived in society. "... The accumulation of personal property," he wrote, "is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labor that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence." God had never opened a land office, he held, from which perpetual deeds to the earth should be issued. He spoke, he boldly declared, for "all those who hive been thrown out of their natural inheritance by the introduction of the system of landed property." It is of some interest to note that Thomas Jefferson observed, in a letter to Rev. James Madison in February, 1787: "Whenever there are in a country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate the natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided for those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not, the fundamental right to labor the earth returns to the unemployed...," [Philip S. Foner, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Selections from His Writings, pp. 56-57.]

PAINE SAW IT COMING...

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You guys are my heroes
Posted by: jurassicpork on Mar 19, 2007 6:07 PM   
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Rock on. I was on top of the Hersh article "The Redirection", as were other major and mid-tier blogs and it amazed me then, as it still does, that everyone is remaining silent. True, the MSM is being a bit more vocal about the wrongness of the Iraq war but when one looks at this conspiracy of silence one realizes that the MSM hasn't changed a bit since the runup to war four years ago.

I'll be linking to this later on at my place. Keep up the good work.

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It's all about Israel
Posted by: Reader11722 on Mar 20, 2007 6:29 AM   
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Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats have placed Israel interest ahead of US interest by proxy. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Wikipedia America Deceived (book), conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's sponsors. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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» RE: It's all about Israel Posted by: ng1944
Iran consensus
Posted by: romat on Mar 20, 2007 9:03 AM   
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Democrats' foreign policy criticisms of Bush in the year or two run up to the 2004 election focused on him not being 'tough enough' with the Iranians and North Koreans. Making the evil enemy list wasn't enough. They were essentially calling for war on Iran instead of Iraq. While the reasons for going after Iran may be a bit different, it is a sign of ruling class consensus when the Democrats' are out-Bushing the neo-cons on foreign policy. The across-the-board 'shrug' in response to Hersh's article adds another piece of evidence.

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thanks to Mr.Bush
Posted by: richholland on Mar 21, 2007 8:45 AM   
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thanks to the activities of the Americains in Irak there is more understanding in Europe for the Nazis.
Since Isreal is treating the Palastinians so bad many people say nowadays Hitler was not completely nuts when he warned us for the Jewish power.
Thank you mr Bush,
But in this way you cannot prevent the next 9/11 attack.
Maybe some American just are longing for another 9/11

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