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Democrats Struggle To Make Peace

By Holly Yeager, The American Prospect. Posted March 13, 2007.


Appropriations Committee chairman David Obey blew a fuse in front of an anti-war military mom (and a rolling camera). But his words should be heeded.
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This article is reprinted from the American Prospect.

With his hallway rant about "idiot liberals" demanding an immediate end to the war in Iraq, Dave Obey has become a quick and easy target for an increasingly frustrated anti-war movement. (For those who haven't seen the clip, the House Appropriations Committee chairman was approached by two anti-war activists on the Hill last week, and excoriated them for failing to recognize that the Democratic leadership's approach to ending the war through the spending supplemental was the best they could do.)

But before his outburst lands him a spot alongside George Allen in the YouTube hall of shame, let's slow down to consider Obey and the warning he is trying to sound. For all the hoopla about House Democrats' new powers in the majority, the party leadership stands a real risk of disappointing anti-war activists -- and should probably start thinking now about how to prevent a repeat of the kind of scene that played out in the halls of the Rayburn House building.

The risks are serious. John Gibson of Fox News sketched out an all too plausible narrative when he discussed the episode with Adam Putnam, the fast-rising Florida Republican. "So, if they're fighting with each other about this, are you and fellow Republicans kind of off the hook for now?" Gibson said. "Now it's Dem versus Dem. Is this the right way to run a war?"

Liberals should pay Obey heed. Sure, he's not the most gentle guy in the world. "He has a prickly personality and a vigorous temper and does not suffer gladly those he considers fools or knaves," is how the ever politic Almanac of American Politics puts it.

But Obey, who promptly apologized for the ugly outburst, is a passionate and hard-charging champion of old-fashioned liberalism, and he's been steady in his positions. Elected to the House in 1969 amidst growing opposition to the Vietnam War among members of his party, Obey voted against the 2002 Iraq war resolution. The next year, long before Jack Murtha was a household name, he sent a strongly worded letter to President Bush complaining about the conduct of the war and urging that Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz be allowed "to return to the private sector."

Obey is also an appropriator, well practiced in using spending power to affect policy. The Marine mom who met Obey in the hall wanted Congress to cut off war funding immediately, and called on him to reject the Iraq war supplemental. Arguing with the chief sponsor of the supplemental bill -- which sets a September 8, 2008, deadline for the full withdrawal of U.S. troops -- didn't get her too far. Obey tried hard to convince her that the measure would in fact bring U.S. troops home from Iraq and make it illegal to proceed with the war beyond the 2008 deadline. The $120 billion in war funding bill also sets clear benchmarks for the Iraqi government and increases spending on troop readiness and military and veterans' health.

Pushed for faster action on a quicker pull-out, Obey sounded a warning that everyone in his party should hear. "We couldn't even get the votes to pass a non-binding resolution one week ago. How the hell do you think we're going to get the votes to cut off the war?"

Obey sounded a similar alarm back in January, when the new Congress faced great expectations from anti-war forces that had spoken clearly on Election Day. "There are certain realities we have to face," he said, explaining that any measure to end the war would face a tougher time in the Senate, and that Bush would surely veto any legislation that cuts off funds for the troops. "I don't believe in futile efforts. I believe in doing things that will have results." When pushed about why the new Democratic majority wasn't doing more to assert its will, he shot back, "Do you see a magic wand in this pocket?" (He repeated the magic wand line to the Marine mom on Monday.)

The difficulties in grappling with both the imperative to take action and the desire to avoid futile gestures have clearly taken a toll. In an interview last week with The Hill, Obey complained that "liberal groups" had failed to explain the supplemental to their members and reported that anti-war protesters had been "sitting in" at his district office. (Some were arrested after they refused to leave at the end of the work day.) Long negotiations within the Democratic caucus were surely another factor in his short fuse.

Those negotiations continue. For while House Democrats mustered the strength to unveil the supplemental, and won national headlines for the effort, it is far from clear that they have the votes to pass it. In the Senate, the prospects of passing any measure that contains a fixed date for withdrawal are even dimmer. Harry Reid has moved cautiously, with the Senate version of the supplemental setting a goal of the withdrawal of all U.S. combat forces by the end of March 2008, but permitting some U.S. troops to remain in Iraq for force protection and the training of Iraqi forces.

In the House, there is plenty of time before the matter comes to a vote, expected next week. But the divisions are real, and 16 defections would be enough to defeat the bill. Some liberal members of the caucus, such as Sheila Jackson Lee and Lynn Woolsey -- closer to the Marine mom and the Occupation Project, which captured the encounter on tape -- want war funds to be spent only on withdrawing troops and training Iraqis. Some moderate and conservative Democrats, including Jim Cooper and Allen Boyd, dislike the fixed deadline, and worry about constraining the power of the commander-in-chief with language prohibiting an attack on Iran.

It all adds up to a close vote, even if a handful of Republicans like Walter Jones and Chris Shays support the supplemental. Which is why Obey's plea that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good needs to be heard. No, the message shouldn't be shouted in a hallway with a camera running. But if the Democratic leadership fails to win support for its latest plan, it will have some explaining to do. The alternative -- with sit-ins and shouts, all narrated by Fox -- is not a pleasant option.

A good place to look for suggestions on how Democrats should proceed may, in fact, be in language that Obey included in the letter he sent to Bush in 2003: "If we are going to bring the country, and perhaps the world, back together, we should begin with a fair assessment of our successes and failures and move forward with a common vision."

This article is available on The American Prospect website. © 2007 by The American Prospect, Inc.

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Holly Yeager is the former U.S. politics correspondent for the Financial Times.

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Of course Bush woiuld veto any anti-war legislation
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 13, 2007 1:18 AM   
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Which is why all the posturing about 'cutting off the funds' is foolishness. No, the only way to deal with Bush and Cheney is to impeach them - which is why the Democrats should be dragging every memeber of the Bush Administration before Congressional hearings and forcing them to testify under oath and about their many and varied crimes - from faking intelligence on Iraq WMDs to failing to investigate the anthrax attacks to the corruption of the no-bid Iraqi contracts to illegal domestic spying programs, to firing US attorneys for not playing White House politics, and on and on and on.

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» From Woody Allen.... Posted by: CatDad
» Realistic? What is realistic? Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: The voters did a half assed job Posted by: Edward George
» Bush CAN'T veto funding... Posted by: SteveB
» Not assuming anything... Posted by: SteveB
Let them suffer
Posted by: RYancey on Mar 13, 2007 1:19 AM   
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It is interesting that you chose an encounter that involved a democrat that voted against the war resolution. Yet many more voted for the resolution and cooperated spinelessly with the Bush administration. The only reason the democrats are showing any honest resistance to the war is because a great many people have lit a fire under their collective ass. If war resisters are being insensitive then so be it, we've earned a little insensitivity in the last 5 years. How many people, Iraqi & American, died in the last 5 years, and for what?

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"Lazy Incumbents!"
Posted by: owlbear1 on Mar 13, 2007 4:00 AM   
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Stop projecting your failures Obey! Dem leadership has proven itself SPINELESS!

WHO CARES IF GEORGE VETOES?

It further points out EXACTLY who is to blame.

By whining, George will Veto it so why bother you enable George's continued dictatorship.

Show some fucking spine and LOSE a few votes.

MAKE REPUBLICANS OWN IRAQ!

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» RE: "Lazy Incumbents!" Posted by: leafsong1
Wrong!
Posted by: heid on Mar 13, 2007 5:05 AM   
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Change has never come out of timidity. Obey has chosen to be timid and hides behind the veil of "realism". The reality, though, is that what he's doing is playing the game.

Sure, it's possible that the votes for cutting off the war funding won't be there this time around - but it's a sure thing they won't if it doesn't even come to a vote. The simple fact is that nothing will change unless the money for carrying out war is stopped.

Isn't it absolutely clear that this administration does not care what Congress says or what laws it passes? Telling Bush/Cheney that they must stop the Iraq War will have absolutely no effect. The only thing that can make any difference is cutting off the funding.

Obey knows this. He must know it, as everyone familiar with the current administration must know. So, the only reason he could possibly be pushing a bill that doesn't cut off funding is his political skin.

In my book, no political career is worth a single life in the Iraq War, whether American or Iraqi. No politician who refuses to press for defunding the Iraq War should be supported by anyone.

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» RE: Wrong! Posted by: gregorywonderwheel
I think realism is the key.
Posted by: c&s mom on Mar 13, 2007 5:48 AM   
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I truly feel that Obey's bill is the start point not the end point and must be looked at seriously in that regard. Personally I would like to cut off the funding and bring the troops home immediately, but that is not likely with this escalation becoming even larger by the minute.

If the March 2008 deadline is put in place then the issue of reducing the troops will come into play and force this war to end. I also support having the bill state that the President cannot go into Iran and the monies in the appropriation have to be used for troop health and welfare, certainly what is happening around the Country at VA hospitals bears this out.

After years in the political arena, thousands of hours in meetings, some triumphs and losses. You know you are getting somewhere when everyone is unhappy with the result. Forced compromise is the biggest key.

Protests should be done in the offices of as many Republicans and Democrats who don't support a deadline as possible. I think we should support this bill as a starting point and pressure it's passage and it Bush vetos it, he will own it.

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Six Months = Eighteen Months
Posted by: jefhadist on Mar 13, 2007 5:54 AM   
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The reality is that if we can get out of Iraq in 18 months we can get out now. "Supporting the troops" means getting them the hell out now. Spineless politicians looking to cover their own ass for reelection or for some preconceived notion of how to capture the White House in "08 just obfuscate and love to blame others. They are all running scared, save for the true "patriots" like Woolsey, Lee, Waters, et al, who are fed up with the bull and know how to tell the truth. The time for excuses is over. If the Dems vote for any more war funding or super bloated military budgets the war is theirs. They will own it. And they are trying to pretend otherwise.

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Hi Drones!
Posted by: paschn on Mar 13, 2007 6:04 AM   
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Sux don't it? This fellow looks as though he's doing his best to fight back against the the corporate swine with this thing, but you see how long and difficult it is to come back when you sheep yourself into stupidity? Sure we all want it to end, but when you jump to it for "god, flag and country" then find out you were all too easily duped into it, your gonna find it a slow process to get three hundred million sheep to bleat in unison. Meanwhile, all your duped "heroes" are approaching 700,000 deaths of men, women and children in a country we devastated based on the lies of a draft-dodging son of the son of a nazi war profiteer. So, if it makes you feel any better, your parents and grand parents were suckers too. Of course it also shows, rather unfortunately, that you suckers are as gullible as the ones before you. A nation of sheep, led by a cartel of whores/Israel controlled by big business. Welcome, to the REAL Evil Empire.

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» RE: Hi Drones! Posted by: anechoic
Its time for another tea party
Posted by: disgusted on Mar 13, 2007 6:07 AM   
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We need another Boston tea party. We need strident and courageous leadership. We need loud offensive political gestures like funding cuts and impeachment initiatives.
Stop this dictatorship in its puberty before captain codpiece
and his cabal of evil open another theatre of war against another oil rich country. We need offensive leadership in a patriotic mein- Mr. Obey and his realistic ilk will still be murmurring and muttering about how his hands were tied as the secret service locks the doors to the congressional buildings and closes them for the last time.
As an aside I laugh at our presidential candidates running around the country spewing pablum and mild gas two years before the fact. Ignoring the job they were hired to do, to get this country out of an immoral war. There is not a leader among them, innefectual gasbags all.

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Learn how Congress works, please
Posted by: zinnia on Mar 13, 2007 6:13 AM   
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David Obey (D-WI, btw - would have been nice to have that info in the article) is one of the good guys. The language in the supplemental he is sponsoring makes the war itself illegal - ending authority for the war - making the funding issue moot. He is simply being a realist in terms of what can actually get passed in the House, because he has a clue about how to do his job. Anti-war activists who do their homework and know how Congress works would be far more effective.

There is a transcript of the Obey-Richards encounter on Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/10/94613/7943

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» RE: Learn how Congress works, please Posted by: CriminallySane
» RE: Learn how Congress works, please Posted by: CriminallySane
» RE: Learn how Congress works, please Posted by: CriminallySane
Iraq -- just other Shiny Object
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Mar 13, 2007 6:32 AM   
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The ' vast majority' of the American people do not object to waging a war-for-profit ... they only object to LOSING one.

Democratic 'peace' strategy is based on that understanding.

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» RE: Iraq -- just other Shiny Object Posted by: CriminallySane
» What do I object to ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: What do I object to ... Posted by: CriminallySane
» So what? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» I sure hope you're right ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
Just don't appropriate ANYTHING...then the floor votes wouldn't matter
Posted by: scott.gregory on Mar 13, 2007 6:47 AM   
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Obey is full of crap...he is a beltway SOB....I would like to know where his campaign funding comes from. The Dems don't have to do ANYTHING...All they need to do just not let ANY war spending bill out of committee...
That would end the war....

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» Sorry, but they all aren't. Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Sorry, but they all aren't. Posted by: oregoncharles
Bush will ignore statutory war limitations, no money is all that will stop the war...
Posted by: scott.gregory on Mar 13, 2007 6:52 AM   
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The people who support the wording of limitations on the war are blind to the fact that Bush will simply ignore such rules...and say, SoImpeachMe!....

And the final limit is August of 2008 which is so close to elections that Bush will simply sit it out...
NO, the bill shouldn't even go to the floor...cutting off ALL funds is the only way.

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Who do Obey and the Democrats Obey?
Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 7:19 AM   
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FM Livni: U.S. must stand firm on Iraq
Shmuel Rosner , Haaretz:

March 12, 2007

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni warned the U.S. yesterday not to show weakness in Iraq, during an address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington.

"In a region where impressions are important, countries must be careful not to demonstrate weakness and surrender to extremists," said Livni.

"If we appease the extremists - if they feel that we are backing down - they will sense victory and become more dangerous not only to the region, but to the world," she said. "This applies to the decisions made on Iran, it is true for Iraq, and it is true across the Middle East."

Livni said Iran was at the forefront of extremist threats to Israel, the greater Middle East and the world in general because of its nuclear ambitions...

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» RE: Who do Obey and the Democrats Obey? Posted by: gregorywonderwheel
John Murphy:
Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 7:26 AM   
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The Democratic House has drafted legislation which has no chance of surviving a presidential veto and at the same time does not meet the hopes and aspirations and demands of the overwhelming majority of the American voting public. They have however drafted legislation that makes them feel good. Somehow or other the so-called "liberal Democrats" are going to be happy about supporting a bill which would kill 60,000 Iraqis and 1,800 Americans because the bill will not alienate the "more moderate Democrats".

It is difficult to determine which group of Democratic legislators is more odious; the "liberal Democrats" who purport to want an immediate end to the Iraqi war but will compromise by letting another 60,000 people die in the name of party unity or the "more moderate Democrats" who have no problem murdering another 60,000 Iraqis so that they do not give the impression that they are tying the hands of the military commanders.

This bears repeating. The congressional Democrats know that President Bush will veto this proposed legislation but he could not veto legislation that did not provide the additional funds necessary for the continued prosecution of the war. Furthermore, even if the congressional Democrats in the House failed to pass legislation that would cut funding for the war, the Senate Democrats could filibuster legislation requiring its continued funding. It would only take 41 of the 51 Senate Democrats to accomplish this effective ending of the war!
John Murphy is the independent candidate for House of Representatives in the 16th Congressional District of Pennsylvania. He has been endorsed by Michael Berg, Peter Camejo, Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader and Howard Zinn. He has been endorsed by two county level Green Parties, two county level Libertarian Parties, the Pennsylvania Reform Party, the New American Independent Party of Pennsylvania and the GDI among others. He is also one of the founding members of the Pennsylvanian Ballot Access Coalition , working to change ballot access laws in Pennsylvania. He can be reached at: johnamurphy@comcast.net.

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» RE: Minor correction: Posted by: oregoncharles
Realistic? What is realistic?
Posted by: citizenjoe on Mar 13, 2007 7:47 AM   
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It seems realistic to me that Bush will attack Iran and widen the conflict enormously. Iran will not lay down. It will fight back and for a long time. The fascists in the White House, and they are really, not metaphorically, fascists, will then have Americans terrified into supporting nuclear genocide. Realistically, we must look at this horrible scenario. It must be stopped now! How, realistically do people like Obey do this? They can do two things: they can forbid it now! They can start investigation after investigation of the White House and the scum that they support, eg Hilliburton. A de-legitimated Bush is a weakened Bush. Bush, like Hitler and Mussolini, want a world war-- that realistically is what we are up against! The Democrats who say they don't want to weaken the President are no better than he is, just like Germans who disagreed with Hitler, but didn't want him weakened. How unrealistic can you get?

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» Exactly right Posted by: citizenjoe
The Time is Now
Posted by: VoxPopuli on Mar 13, 2007 7:54 AM   
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Gone is the time for compromises, too many people have died and will continue to die for the failed policies of war on Iraq. Gone is the time for debate; how many times does the media need to poll, the people need to vote, and study panels need to report before we understand there is NO solution to this Bush-Cheney deadly fiasco. Get out of Iraq, NOW. Any legislation offered by house members should only be in support of the immediate withdrawal of troops and the cessation of hostilities on behalf of the US, and not contingent on any other conditions. As posted above, let the GOP own the war, if progressives pass legislation that continues to be representative of the will of the PEOPLE, they will eventually triumph. The easy road is paved with the bodies of tens of thousands of dead, and soaked with the blood of the innocent. If these schmucks in Congress have so little spine they feel they must compromise in the face of a CLEAR decision, they are only considering their political careers and immediate futures, they are not following the will of the electorate. We need to let our representatives know that we will not tolerate one more minute of this travesty and that their careers hinge on the decisions they make now (seeing as that seems to be the only thing they will understand).

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» RE: The Time is Now Posted by: boing007
Spoken Like a True DC Hack
Posted by: Brutus on Mar 13, 2007 8:04 AM   
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Lets give the Democrats more time, as if they're not just a responsible as Bush for getting us there.

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And of course now...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 13, 2007 8:05 AM   
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They have taken the Iran segment out of their legislation... because Bush might veto it.

BOTH parties are sickening. If I weren't already an anarchist, these murderous ghouls would turn me into one real damned quick.

www.greenanarchy.org

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» An anarchist Posted by: WhatNow?
GregoryWonderwheel
Posted by: gregorywonderwheel on Mar 13, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Obey is not just an "appropriator"; he is a placator.

And Yeager is an apologist.

The fact is the Democrats are not a cohesive party and are really a party of three minorities in loose association. The Republicans are much more cohesive which makes their minority larger than any of the three Democratic minorities. So does that make Obey's tactics of appeasement the way to go? Certainly not! The tactics of appeasement to conservative Democrats only hides the fact that there are more conservatives in Congress than liberals or progressives. The Democratic leadership should be putting forward initiatives that will expose the conservative Democrats and force them to vote Republican. That way their constituents will see them for what they are: war supporters.

It is very clear: either you vote to continue the funding for the war like Obey wants to do or you vote against continuing funding the war. The Democratic leadership is intentionally muddying up this vote to make it sound like a vote to continue supporting the war is okay because it also says "we want the war to end sometime" and it supports the military hospitals. What a bag of baloney!

Yeager should be ashamed of herself for trying to provide political cover for this outrageous congressional shell game.

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» RE: GregoryWonderwheel Posted by: boing007
Dishonest!
Posted by: oregoncharles on Mar 13, 2007 9:07 AM   
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I quit reading when I saw the reference to Bush "vetoing" any bill: that is fundamentally and dangerously dishonest. The one thing the president cannot veto is a refusal to pass a bill, such as the funding supplemental Obey is SPONSORING. The House could do that with the majority the Dems already have, or the Senate with 41 votes (thanks to the filibuster.) When Obey sponsors or promotes any form of the spending supplemental, he SUPPORTS THE WAR. The shit he's receiving is absolutely justified, whatever his prior record.

His outburst is a very good sign: the pressure of the Occupation Project is getting to the Democrats. Only by holding their feet to the fire will we force them to do the right thing, just as we had to do over the Vietnam War. Keep occupying Obey's office, somebody. We'll work on DeFazio and Hooley here in Oregon.

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» Which 'us' is he 'one of' Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Not quite so simple Posted by: Sojourner
» Nothing dishonest at all! Posted by: brunowe
» Nope (NT) Posted by: brunowe
Er, Sort of win/win?
Posted by: bob t on Mar 13, 2007 10:29 AM   
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In a strange sort of way this is a win/win situation, except for the dying troops and the dying Iraqis. But we on the left can't help them anyway since Bush has the power. If the dems are defeated in their efforts to stop this war doesn't that mean Bush and the rethugs own the war. Given that that is true then doesn't it make sense for the Dems to make a good looking and reasonable effort to stop the war and the Dem failure will force the people, the voters to make a basic decision about where we want to go in the future, if we are to have a future. Let AIPAC/Bush/Rethugs wage their war and it will eventually be their downfall, that is if the american voters want it to be, and that is not yet totally clear. It would be totally clear if the Dems had been given commanding majorities in the 2006 elections. Until the voters make it clear that they are sick to death of this kind of american war mindset we will continue to have these wars. We got screwed for our apathy and lack of critical analysis back when BushCo concocted all of this. We were stupid and now we are paying the price and that is the way it should be. We ought to pay for our stupidity and warrior nature and if we pay a very high and very painful price just maybe there will be enough of us in terrible pain for a very long time and we will never allow the war mongers to do this for a longer period of time. The war mongers never stop. The southern and southwestern states are full of war mongers. In addittion to the war mongers the other group of americans supporting this war are the ones that were frightened into swallowing the crap that Bush and the republicans will take care of america. No one can guarantee our safety, when the fundamentalists want to attack, they will find a way. The republicans who wanted war created the events leading up to this war, namely, 9/11. They scared the hell out of the sheeple and the sheeple let the repubs do whatever they wanted us to do. It's called group dynamics aka how to manipulate people. Advertising people have been using such techniques for a very long time. The next time the right wingers want to go to war they will do the use the same techniques all over again. The "three Groups" who wanted this war are the three groups who support the Republican Party. Namely, Big Religion, Big Corporatocracy and Big Neocons.
Big Republican Religion: Catholics(my religion) and white southern confederate states Baptist evangelical Fundamentalists.
Big Neocons: AIPAC, PNAC et.al.
Big Corporatocracy: Halliburton, Bechtel, all the usual and regular crew that will always do such things aka military-industrial complex.
Stop those groups and we stop this endless US militarism.
Until they want war once again then they will once again manufacture a reason that sheeple will swallow. FEAR is a great motivator to go to war. Terrify the people and the people will demand war.

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» I Second It! Great Post! Posted by: Douglas
glad for this "pause piece"
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 13, 2007 11:18 AM   
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Because it confirms what I suspected when I first heard about the incident: this Obey guy is a tactical failure and Yeager is trying to help him cover his ass. You don't win fights by offering the cheek. If you want to turn your cheek, turn it, but you don't expect to win that way. I'm stunned that Yeager doesn't comprehend the tactical situation re: funding and supplementals vis a vis a presidential veto.

Problems:
• realism is never a good substitute for a solid ass-whoopin'
• taking impeachment off the table was and continues to be tactical suicide
• funding is a religious practice. Easiest way to send the Man into convulsions is take away his money
• 2008 as an "exit" strategy? Puhleeze. Can you say "I am an idiot" 100 times really fast? Meanwhile every day more people die. That's real.
• ignoring your political base is stoopid, despite being the m.o. of the Dims

Just more 'Merikaan bullshit getting more people killed while pretend politcal hacks confabulate and prevaricate for their beltway heros.

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Pelosi hears boos at AIPAC
Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 1:57 PM   
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By Ian Swanson
March 13, 2007
Members of the main pro-Israel lobbying group offered scattered boos to a statement by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that the Iraq war has been a failure on several scores.

The boos, mixed with some polite applause, stood in stark contrast to the reception House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) received minutes earlier. Most of the crowd of 5,000 to 6,000 stood and loudly applauded Boehner when he said the U.S. had no choice but to win in Iraq.

Pelosi and Boehner were speaking at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) annual meeting. AIPAC has not taken a position on the war in Iraq or the supplemental spending bill to be considered this week by the House Appropriations Committee, but much of Boehner’s speech was about the future of the Iraq conflict.

Boehner sought to link the fight in Iraq to the future of Israel, as he said a failure in Iraq would pose a direct threat to Israel.

Pelosi said the U.S. military campaign in Iraq had to be judged on three accounts: whether it makes the U.S. safer, the U.S. military stronger and the region more stable.

“The war in Iraq fails on all three counts,” Pelosi said. Some of the crowd applauded before catcalls and boos could be heard. A spokesman for AIPAC argued the boos were in response to those clapping for Pelosi.

AIPAC leaders have said about 6,000 of their members are in town for this week’s annual meeting, which ends today. Members are set to lobby individual lawmakers on the Hill for the rest of today. A priority for the group is to convince Congress to approve tougher sanctions on Iran, which is seen as a growing threat to Israel.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelo si-hears-boos-at-aipac-2007-03-13.html

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URGENT ACTION NEEDED
Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 1:59 PM   
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FUNDING FOR AN ATTACK ON IRAN

Last night, Rep. Pelosi and the democratic leadership decided to pull language from the Supplemental Appropriations bill which stated that no funds may be authorized for military operations in or related to Iran unless specifically authorized by the Congress.

We DO have a chance to reverse this in committee, but we urgently need you to send action alerts to your constituents and make phone calls TODAY AND TOMORROW (TUESDAY, MARCH 13, AND WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14).


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The Supplemental Appropriations bill is scheduled to be marked up in full committee Thursday (MARCH 15) at 9 am.

Please send action alerts to your constituents, encouraging them to write and, more importantly, call their members of Congress. Click here for a list of Members of the full Appropriations committee. If your Congressional representative is not on the committee, urge your Representative to tell Committee members to reinsert language back in the Supplemental Appropriations bill.

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Has the time finally arrived when it is perfectly clear that we need Islamic UN peacekeepers?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 13, 2007 2:44 PM   
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How much would it cost us to hire Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, and the Arab states to move into the US-built fortifications in Iraq to act as the police force in place of American troops?

Less, I bet than we are now spending both in money and in lives. Instead of quashing Islamic internationalism, put it to good use.

Yeah, I know. That ain't going to happen until the US is forced to employ a military draft. The Rethugs know what they are doing avoiding that. And Demos had better not touch it either with a ten-foot pole. But hiring an international force in order to avoid a draft might work.

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» RE: That's "Dalai Lama". Posted by: oregoncharles
Troops out as soon as possible
Posted by: boing007 on Mar 13, 2007 4:55 PM   
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Nixon ran as the alternative anti-war candidate against Humphrey in '68. He called his plan 'Peace with Honor'. The war lasted five more years. Beware of letting the same happen with this administration. If the Democrats don't show a robust attitude on security matters pretty soon and reframe the Security Question to their benefit, then a Republican will win the White House.

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» RE: Troops out as soon as possible Posted by: oregoncharles
Shades of Tricky Dicky
Posted by: boing007 on Mar 13, 2007 5:26 PM   
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Beware the 'Peace with Honor' candidate.

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Get out of town!
Posted by: boing007 on Mar 13, 2007 5:28 PM   
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AIPAC go home!

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UN? What UN?
Posted by: boing007 on Mar 13, 2007 5:31 PM   
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Yoo hoo! UN? Wake up!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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Set aside the Defeatocrats for a second and read this please...
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 15, 2007 10:45 AM   
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AMERICANS: READ AND RE-READ THE 2ND AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND PLEASE START FORMING LOCAL/REGIONAL [civilian/non-military/non-police] MILITIAS RIGHT NOW. SADLY, WE MIGHT NEED THEM COME 2008/09.

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fox news coverage
Posted by: insulaparadigm on Mar 15, 2007 10:45 PM   
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watch the fox news coverage of the whole thing - they are in stitches over the fact that we are fighting each other....

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can The Democratic Party afford fractioning?
Posted by: OhioPatriot on Mar 18, 2007 8:03 AM   
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I Have to wonder, when I hear democrats start discussing "throwing them all out" as they do quite often on alternet.

Can Dems afford to lose ANY constituency you currently have after the lat 8 years and the narrow margins you now hold?

If the party cannot align itself with middleroad party members, every minority, womens majority, and the far left crazies, then I don't see how on earth you can maintain any momentum in congress, let alone the presidency.

I say this sincerely, When the democrats lost the midterms in 2002 it was quite a blow. But the prevailing strategy at the time seemed to be "Call anyone who voted Bush or is Repoblican Stupid and Wicked every chance you get". Mind you this attack came from the guys who lost and was directed towards the people who they needed in 2004 to succede. Not good strategy.

It is the equivalent of two shop owners having identical businesses across the street from one another. When one sees all his customers going to his competitor he puts a huge banner in his window that says"Only stupid people shop where you are standing now" Bad marketing? You bet. It smacked of concieted eliteism and the country punished you in 2004 for it.

After running around for the last 6 years or so pointing out the numerous mistakes of the current administration you now have an opportunity to regain some real power in government. But not because anyone believes you can do any better, but because people need change so they MAY be willing to give a chance.

So, Before you start acting as though you have the next election sussed, and start threatening the now stable majority you have, wouldn't it be better to expunge on what you have through finding common ground with all sides of the political spectrum and start the art of politics.

Just a view from the outside looking in.

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Nice apology for Democratic inaction
Posted by: susanhathaway on Mar 19, 2007 12:39 PM   
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Hey, way to let the Democrats off the hook for doing nothing while whining, "We CAN'T do anything! It's not realistic! We don't have the votes!"

Why are Republicans against stem cell research? Because the Democrats might use it to grow a spine.

Peace supporters do have an obligation to put pressure on Congressional Democrats to do more than they are doing, to try more than they are trying, to end the illegal war on Iraq--because the Dems have proven, over and over, that they will not stand up and take--or even propose--any meaningful action unless they are pushed into it.

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