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Opposing the Iraq War: Heroes of Resistance
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What we should also do is celebrate the people who opposed the war from the beginning. In the face of severe opprobrium and intimidation, a sizable number of Americans saw the charade for what it was and rued the oncoming disaster. They should be cheered, time and again.
It is easy to forget how brutally coercive the conventional wisdom was in the autumn of 2002 and winter of 2003. Even today, the supporters of the war, especially liberal hawks, insist that "no one" doubted that Saddam had nuclear or biological weapons, or that "no one" could have anticipated the chaos and mayhem to come. This is dead wrong. Many people warned of exactly such consequences. The predictions came from a broad spectrum of Americans, no less, from the old-fashioned conservatives of Papa Bush's circle to New Left veterans.
They were, of course, marginalized and in many cases accused of treason. Nowadays, those who were cheerleaders for the war want to join the ranks of the resisters, saying they were against this debacle all along.
Fortunately for us, there were many who genuinely opposed the war before it began, seeing clearly that war has unintended consequences, that it would involve enormous casualties, and that America would be widely loathed as a result. They took risks to do say these things, to organize protests and write Congress and attempt to get their voices heard. And they were absolutely correct in their vision. The invasion and occupation of Iraq may be the most colossal foreign policy disaster in American history.
There were too many, really, to fit into one article. Here are the ones I believe deserving. Readers should offer up their nominees, too.
1. The members of Congress who voted against the war resolution included 31 senators and 133 representatives. Six of those senators no longer serve, including the late Paul Wellstone. Among the notable Senate leaders who did cast a "nay" were Richard Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, and Carl Levin.
In the House, only six Republicans voted with the wise. Among the notables in opposition were Nancy Pelosi, Sherrod Brown (now a senator from Ohio), and Bernie Sanders (now a senator from Vermont).
2. The public intellectuals and activists who took a strong stand: Medea Benjamin, Howard Zinn, Tom Hayden, Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Leslie Cagan, John Cavannagh, Michael Klare, Scott Ritter, Ben Cohen, Jessica T. Mathews, Tom Andrews, James Carroll, and Jonathan Schell, just to start the list of honorees. Throw in the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference and nearly every major religious organization to the left of the Christian Right.
3. Journalists who stood up: Molly Ivins, Katrina vanden Huevel, Don Hazen, Eric Alterman, Mark Danner, Paul Krugman, Katha Pollitt, Robert Scheer, and Colman McCarthy.
4. Academics: many in our universities spoke out, but, notably, the "neorealist" school of international relations scholars -- Steve Walt, Barry Posen, John Mersheimer, Steve Van Evera, and several others -- were prominent early in the debate. The highest accolades should go to Juan Cole, professor of history at Michigan, not only for his insightful opposition but the amazing blog he has kept up throughout -- as informative as anything we have.
5. Other prominent politicians and political advisers: Howard Dean, Al Gore, Brent Scowcroft, James Webb, Ralph Nader, Barack Obama, and Wesley Clark. This should be a litmus test for '08.
I know I'm leaving many deserving names out of this roster, but this brief reckoning is meant to begin a tribute of good judgment and values that were attuned to the enormous challenges of that long winter of deception.
This is not just idle self-congratulation. We need to understand why this fiasco occurred, and listening to the voices of those who opposed it for ethical and strategic reasons from the outset helps to unravel this puzzle. It is not that the war was prosecuted incompetently. The intelligent and courageous opposition to the war prior to its many misdeeds saw that the Iraq invasion would be wrong no matter how it proceeded.
So join in this little celebration. Maybe by doing so, these voices and others will be heard more clearly the next time around.
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 13, 2007 1:03 AM
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» WOW, but they've got you indoctrinated.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 13, 2007 1:11 AM
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The New York Times
The Washington Post
The Los Angeles Times
The Wall Street Journal
CNN
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Like longtime White House correspondent Helen Thomas said, "Of all the unhappy trends I have witnessed--conservative swings on television networks, dwindling newspaper circulation, the jailing of reporters and "spin"--nothing is more troubling to me than the obsequious press during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. They lapped up everything the Pentagon and White House could dish out--no questions asked.
Reporters and editors like to think of themselves as watchdogs for the public good. But in recent years both individual reporters and their ever-growing corporate ownership have defaulted on that role. Ted Stannard, an academic and former UPI correspondent, put it this way: "When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble."
The naïve complicity of the press and the government was never more pronounced than in the prelude to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. The media became an echo chamber for White House pronouncements. One example: At President Bush's March 6, 2003, news conference, in which he made it eminently clear that the United States was going to war, one reporter pleased the "born again" Bush when she asked him if he prayed about going to war. And so it went."
The corporate media serve Bush and Cheney and their billionaire cronies, not the American people.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 13, 2007 1:31 AM
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Posted by: Clamasaur on Mar 13, 2007 5:03 AM
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Amy Goodman for her Democracy Now! radio show.
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Posted by: allUneedislove on Mar 13, 2007 5:53 AM
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He is not just another name that you might have forgotten.
HE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, for god's sake.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Mar 13, 2007 6:28 AM
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Howard Dean – the scream heard around the world – who wants to listen to him and his voted was directed more at Bush than any lofty reasons.
James Webb – great credentials – his anger is directed at the president ONLY because his son is in Iraq. Good enough reason but not for a senator!
Ralph Nader – he got the Corvair wrong and he’s on this list (my brother in law votes for him every election as protest to our screwed up political system).
Barack Obama – easy to say he WOULD have voted against the war given the fact that he wasn’t in the position to vote against it! Would have been interesting to see how he would have really voted given the political pressure as a senator.
While one can seem to say "see I told ya so" but you really have to look behind these reasons people voted against the war.
I wonder what action they thought we should take after 9-11 to secure our country and go after those responsible. And do you really think they knew Saddam had NO WMD of any kind that could fall into terrorist hands? I doubt it. So given that, what were they thinking regarding defending our country?
The real voices to be listened to were those that were against the invasion ONLY because it would take resources away from the hunt for Bin Laden and there were other ways for dealing with Saddam (getting out of Iraq would be much harder than going in.. (memories of Vietnam). These were people with foresight. (although I felt this way so I’m sure many Americans did as well). I’m suspect of the reasons for those listed in this article.
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» Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11,
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Posted by: CarolNYC on Mar 13, 2007 7:04 AM
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Please note that he has now teamed up with VoteVets.org to try to stop this crazy Administration from starting yet another war, with Iran. Please visit www.stopiranwar.com and get involved in trying to stop this one before it starts. Stop the madness already!
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Mon, 12 Mar 2007 | Neturei Karta International
WASHINGTON, March 12 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement of Neturei Karta International:
We gather here today to express the opinion of anti-Zionists Orthodox Jews worldwide in regard to current world events and especially in regard to the annual AIPAC Convention taking place in Washington, DC.
There is an important fundamental message which needs to be brought to the attention oh the world, a crucial and fundamental issue. The world needs to know that the philosophy of Zionism is not based on traditional Judaism, that the state of "Israel" is not the true Jewish nation and in no way does it represent the Torah-based Judaism or the basic tenants of the Jewish faith.
Furthermore, all that emanates from Zionism and everything that Zionism has generated since its inception until today has nothing to do with the true Jewish nation.
All wars and all suffering which came about through Zionism and the state of "Israel", including the brutal seizure of the land and possessions, of the Palestinian people, are painful to the Jewish nation, which finds it shameful that these acts of brutality are committed in the name of "Israel" and Judaism.
Zionism has damaged the Jewish nation more than any other apostasies, because it uprooted the true Jewish faith, by replacing Torah, with a secular nationalism.
The Torah teaches, that the Jewish people must remain loyal to whichever country in where they reside. They are not to dictate foreign policy. Jews traditionally lived in peaceful loyalty throughout the world, and did not revolt against their host countries.
Since the birth and creation of the Zionist philosophy, anguish and misery have increased, because Zionism transformed Godliness into materialism and domination.
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Posted by: ErHoff on Mar 13, 2007 7:59 AM
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It is very unfortunate that much of America suffers from being overly emotional while being very ignorant. Bush and Cheney were responsible for 9-11, if they weren't why did they block any real investigation? Why was our military on stand down during the attack? Face the facts, the false flag exercise and fear mongering were all preplanned to give the Cheney - Bush Crime Syndicate carte blanche, and America let them be above the law.
Meanwhile:
Reporters and politicians should be careful not to scapegoat Osama (Usama) bin Laden or Al-Qaeda when talking about the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Why might someone think he caused 9-11? Because the same liars that brought you the Iraq war, said so? Was any evidence produced? Was there ever a real investigation of the attacks of 9-11? No. The White House's Philip Zelikow controlled the 9-11 Whitewash Commission. It was propaganda!
Don't the victims and their families deserve a proper investigation? Get the Federal cover up out of the picture, and let NYFD and the NYPD investigate arson and murder of their comrades.
Osama bin Laden never claimed he was behind 9-11. Sure American media ran a poorly forged film of a heavyset black man writing with his ringed, right hand but Osama is left handed and thin without rings.
On September 16 2001 Osama bin Laden made a public comment that he did not support the attack of so many innocent lives. Most of the world had access to that.
Lets not scapegoat bin Laden in an irresponsible manner. Charge him for the embassy bombings and the USS Cole, but there is no evidence for the 9-11 attacks.
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Posted by: CJC on Mar 13, 2007 8:00 AM
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I watched much of the House and Senate debate and votes. I cheered on all those who had the wisdom and courage to resist the juggernaut. I heard Hillary Clinton speak eloquently against "pre-emptive war" and then vote for giving the President authority to invade Iraq. I wrote immediately to my Senator, John Kerry, to object to his mealy-mouthed reasoning.
My husband and I donned our warm togs and went to NYC with hundreds of thousands of others on Feb 15 2003 to march in protest. The City of NY did everything to restrict our gathering, forcing us to walk up past 60th St. to find a cross street open to pedestrians (!) to walk over to First Ave. Friends came from upstate NY only to be caught in a massive crowd and never be able to get even near the rally site. Then the whole gathering was barely reported by NPR and the New York Times. One certainly felt the weight of the establishment dismissing us nay-sayers.
As for Conservasaurus complaining about Howard Dean - the so-called "scream" was an microphone artifact of Dean speaking to a noisy crowd, but all the rest of us heard was his voice. The mainstream media and bloviating pundits made sure to deflate Dean's candidacy. They all get on a bandwagon and repeat each other's reporting. Shameful.
I agree that among the candidates for president, those who understood the administration lies early are to be preferred to those who had their fingers in the 2002 political wind.
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Posted by: Douglas on Mar 13, 2007 8:13 AM
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During the Bush presidency Sanders has become even more hawkish. Although Sanders did call for alternatives to war in Afghanistan he did not join the sole Democrat, Barbara Lee, in voting against the Congressional resolution that gave Bush blanket permission to wage war against any country he deemed connected with the September 11 attacks. Since then, Sanders has continually voted for appropriations bills to fund the occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Although he has been critical of the war in Iraq, Sanders has supported many pro-war measures. Sanders voted for a March 21, 2003 resolution which stated, "Congress expresses the unequivocal support and appreciation of the nation to the President as the Commander in Chief for his firm leadership and decisive action in the conduct of military operations in Iraq as part of the ongoing War on Terrorism."
Sanders also opposes an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The day after his election to the U.S. Senate, Sanders said, "I don't think you can do . . . immediate withdrawal. I think the policy has got to be . . .we will withdraw as soon as possible."
In the summer of 2006 Sanders voted for HR 921, which endorsed and gave full support to Israel's murdereous and unprovoked assault on Lebanon. He also voted for HR 4681 that imposed sanctions on the Palestinian Authority aimed at removing the democratically elected Hamas government from office. Sander's support for Israel's attack on Lebanon prompted War Resisters League leader David McReynolds to send a public letter to Sanders which stated, "Because of your vote in support of the Israeli actions, I would hope any friends and contacts of mine would not send you funds, nor give you their votes."
In probably his worst pro-war vote, Sanders voted for HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act, which is very similar to the resolutions that established the framework for the war in Iraq. The act calls for the U.S to support democratic change in the country, thereby establishing pretexts for war against Iran. Dennis Kucinich voted against the act, calling it a stepping stone to war."
Sanders is definitely no "antiwar hero." He is a "hawk" who belongs in the "Hall of Shame."
For more information on Sander's perfidious record, see Ashley Smith, "A Socialist in the Senate," CounterPunch, November 15, 2006.
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Posted by: Mimigibs on Mar 13, 2007 10:22 AM
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There are too many people who like Kucinich but won't vote for him because they think he doesn't look "Presidential." Mahatma Gandhi didn't look presidential either but just think about what he accomplished.
When will the American people finally wake up?
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Posted by: robobvious on Mar 13, 2007 10:30 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 13, 2007 11:35 AM
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The cowards on any anti-hero list should include the names of CHP and local county sheriffs who refused or declined to help any of these women when witnesses called 911 for help. That includes the names of all the LA County Sheriff's at the Lost Hills station in Calabasas, CA for refusing to help my wife as her car was smoking in a ditch following the assault on her and my children. That kind of cowardice should be rewarded with an armor-free trip to Iraq.. maybe using the funds congress will authorize to perpetuate 'Merkaan stoopid until 2008.
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» Opposition to the invasion of Afghanistan sure was lonely
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» Liberal war crimes...
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 13, 2007 12:27 PM
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We need to clean the house-and the senate-and especially the executive branch. IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: mswiger on Mar 13, 2007 12:29 PM
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Posted by: greggwyck on Mar 13, 2007 12:53 PM
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 13, 2007 1:23 PM
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Courage at the top levels of the government is unheard of. Hell half the time no one is even in Congress,watch C-span sometime you'll see how empty the Chambers are,sadly it's the same with their hearts and minds. No matter what 'speak' is flowing from their mouths is a line of crap as tall as Mt. Hood. Troop pullouts in a year!?? Minimum wage raises in two years!?? How many will die from hunger in this country while we're waiting for this raise? How many good men and women will come home to sub-standard treatment by the VA in this two years? More than enough to make the rest of us Veterans sick at their treatment. How many will be disposessed from their homes because they don't have a 'living wage' before the Congress sees it needs to support it's People.
Which would you rather 'defend against all enemies' a country that insures oppurtunity for it's People,one that has Healthcare for all,one that insures everyone has good food,clean water,pure air and good growing soils where caring for the environment is seen as 'promoting the general welfare. Or, one that supports Greed,Corruption and graft. Making sure only the truly insidious get ahead.The most heinous of criminals have titles like CEO,CFO,President,and Vice-President,where plans that make 60-80% of the People are held in 'paid slavery' because there's no 'living wages' paid, creating a deliberate Lower Income class. Low income should be what you get as a paperboy,not substance as an adult with a family.
If education is supposed to be the pride of America,why isn't education free. If you go by what you see out of an airplane window flying across the country,you'd think the pride of America is in making toxic landfills.
Katrina showed just how well this Government takes care of it's People. The Oil companies showed us just how mush this government protects us from profiteering assholes. This Government is a failure!
If we are to rise above this garbagecan of a Government we need to bring People into the government that owe their service to The People and not the Corperations. We need People that will not sellout to the Fat-wallet fatheads.
Since we only tend to use what the media feeds us,we keep electing gasbags to positions of power,were their super-egos cause them to totally forget the People in exchange for big contributions. We need to break this habit with a coup-de-tat of Non-Support. The Electoral College is a joke,voting is innane,the only choice is to 'Draft' those who prove,by their actions, that they are worthy of the job.
It will take longer than a ten month run at the office,but what we get in return will be worth the wait.
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Posted by: chanceny on Mar 13, 2007 1:29 PM
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» It Is Interesting How Many Of Your Heroes Are Zionist Apologists For Israel's Crimes!
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Posted by: gandhi on Mar 13, 2007 3:28 PM
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Oh yeah, and AlterNet too!
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Posted by: scurvybro on Mar 13, 2007 4:25 PM
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That label doesn't apply to Roberts. He is the former assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and was associate editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and contributing editor of National Review. I don't think any of those credentials can be construed as liberal.
Oddly enough, Patrick Buchanan, at least when it comes to the Iraq fiasco, also has been a fierce, unrelenting critic of our chief Bubble Boy.
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» Where did Ron Paul stand on all this?
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Posted by: rebeers01 on Mar 13, 2007 8:41 PM
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Posted by: larue on Mar 13, 2007 8:57 PM
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However, I wanna see a phrekin list of those who pointed out that OUR intended invasion of Afghanistan was NOT for Bin Laden but for the PIPELINE deals the Talibani had signed with Russia, China, Germany (I THINK it was all three of them).
We invaded Afghanistan to queer the pipeline deals, because the Taliban had cut us OUT of the deals, and Cheney (Halliburton lost a LOT of money on that Talibani decision) was angry, and well, it WAS convenient to use that invasion as a precursor to Iraq, and Iran, which PNAC and the neocon's had in mind, all along.
THIS COUNTRY'S fatal mistake, aside from electing the Burnt Shrub and his minions of Lucifer, was to get all patriotic post 911 and let ShrubCo take it to Afghanistan.
THAT'S where the FIRST revelation of a lack of cohones among the general public and our corporate struructure was exposed, but no one really wanted to report about it, cept for Seymour Hersh, maybe Juan Cole, and a SMALL few others, who were NOT published widely, and shouted down in a heated fervor of KILL THE ARABS!
This country is a disgrace to itself, and there should be millions upon millions in the streets on a daily basis reclaiming a facsimile of what we once had.
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Posted by: AngryGranny on Mar 13, 2007 8:58 PM
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 15, 2007 10:43 AM
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Posted by: susanhathaway on Mar 19, 2007 12:15 PM
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Your article really should have mentioned Scott Ritter, though, as one of those who tried to spread early warnings that Iraq had no WMDs.
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 13, 2007 1:03 AM
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» WOW, but they've got you indoctrinated.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 13, 2007 1:11 AM
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The New York Times
The Washington Post
The Los Angeles Times
The Wall Street Journal
CNN
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NPR
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Like longtime White House correspondent Helen Thomas said, "Of all the unhappy trends I have witnessed--conservative swings on television networks, dwindling newspaper circulation, the jailing of reporters and "spin"--nothing is more troubling to me than the obsequious press during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. They lapped up everything the Pentagon and White House could dish out--no questions asked.
Reporters and editors like to think of themselves as watchdogs for the public good. But in recent years both individual reporters and their ever-growing corporate ownership have defaulted on that role. Ted Stannard, an academic and former UPI correspondent, put it this way: "When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble."
The naïve complicity of the press and the government was never more pronounced than in the prelude to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. The media became an echo chamber for White House pronouncements. One example: At President Bush's March 6, 2003, news conference, in which he made it eminently clear that the United States was going to war, one reporter pleased the "born again" Bush when she asked him if he prayed about going to war. And so it went."
The corporate media serve Bush and Cheney and their billionaire cronies, not the American people.
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Amy Goodman for her Democracy Now! radio show.
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Posted by: allUneedislove on Mar 13, 2007 5:53 AM
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He is not just another name that you might have forgotten.
HE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, for god's sake.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Mar 13, 2007 6:28 AM
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Howard Dean – the scream heard around the world – who wants to listen to him and his voted was directed more at Bush than any lofty reasons.
James Webb – great credentials – his anger is directed at the president ONLY because his son is in Iraq. Good enough reason but not for a senator!
Ralph Nader – he got the Corvair wrong and he’s on this list (my brother in law votes for him every election as protest to our screwed up political system).
Barack Obama – easy to say he WOULD have voted against the war given the fact that he wasn’t in the position to vote against it! Would have been interesting to see how he would have really voted given the political pressure as a senator.
While one can seem to say "see I told ya so" but you really have to look behind these reasons people voted against the war.
I wonder what action they thought we should take after 9-11 to secure our country and go after those responsible. And do you really think they knew Saddam had NO WMD of any kind that could fall into terrorist hands? I doubt it. So given that, what were they thinking regarding defending our country?
The real voices to be listened to were those that were against the invasion ONLY because it would take resources away from the hunt for Bin Laden and there were other ways for dealing with Saddam (getting out of Iraq would be much harder than going in.. (memories of Vietnam). These were people with foresight. (although I felt this way so I’m sure many Americans did as well). I’m suspect of the reasons for those listed in this article.
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Posted by: CarolNYC on Mar 13, 2007 7:04 AM
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Please note that he has now teamed up with VoteVets.org to try to stop this crazy Administration from starting yet another war, with Iran. Please visit www.stopiranwar.com and get involved in trying to stop this one before it starts. Stop the madness already!
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Mon, 12 Mar 2007 | Neturei Karta International
WASHINGTON, March 12 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement of Neturei Karta International:
We gather here today to express the opinion of anti-Zionists Orthodox Jews worldwide in regard to current world events and especially in regard to the annual AIPAC Convention taking place in Washington, DC.
There is an important fundamental message which needs to be brought to the attention oh the world, a crucial and fundamental issue. The world needs to know that the philosophy of Zionism is not based on traditional Judaism, that the state of "Israel" is not the true Jewish nation and in no way does it represent the Torah-based Judaism or the basic tenants of the Jewish faith.
Furthermore, all that emanates from Zionism and everything that Zionism has generated since its inception until today has nothing to do with the true Jewish nation.
All wars and all suffering which came about through Zionism and the state of "Israel", including the brutal seizure of the land and possessions, of the Palestinian people, are painful to the Jewish nation, which finds it shameful that these acts of brutality are committed in the name of "Israel" and Judaism.
Zionism has damaged the Jewish nation more than any other apostasies, because it uprooted the true Jewish faith, by replacing Torah, with a secular nationalism.
The Torah teaches, that the Jewish people must remain loyal to whichever country in where they reside. They are not to dictate foreign policy. Jews traditionally lived in peaceful loyalty throughout the world, and did not revolt against their host countries.
Since the birth and creation of the Zionist philosophy, anguish and misery have increased, because Zionism transformed Godliness into materialism and domination.
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Posted by: ErHoff on Mar 13, 2007 7:59 AM
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It is very unfortunate that much of America suffers from being overly emotional while being very ignorant. Bush and Cheney were responsible for 9-11, if they weren't why did they block any real investigation? Why was our military on stand down during the attack? Face the facts, the false flag exercise and fear mongering were all preplanned to give the Cheney - Bush Crime Syndicate carte blanche, and America let them be above the law.
Meanwhile:
Reporters and politicians should be careful not to scapegoat Osama (Usama) bin Laden or Al-Qaeda when talking about the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Why might someone think he caused 9-11? Because the same liars that brought you the Iraq war, said so? Was any evidence produced? Was there ever a real investigation of the attacks of 9-11? No. The White House's Philip Zelikow controlled the 9-11 Whitewash Commission. It was propaganda!
Don't the victims and their families deserve a proper investigation? Get the Federal cover up out of the picture, and let NYFD and the NYPD investigate arson and murder of their comrades.
Osama bin Laden never claimed he was behind 9-11. Sure American media ran a poorly forged film of a heavyset black man writing with his ringed, right hand but Osama is left handed and thin without rings.
On September 16 2001 Osama bin Laden made a public comment that he did not support the attack of so many innocent lives. Most of the world had access to that.
Lets not scapegoat bin Laden in an irresponsible manner. Charge him for the embassy bombings and the USS Cole, but there is no evidence for the 9-11 attacks.
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Posted by: CJC on Mar 13, 2007 8:00 AM
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I watched much of the House and Senate debate and votes. I cheered on all those who had the wisdom and courage to resist the juggernaut. I heard Hillary Clinton speak eloquently against "pre-emptive war" and then vote for giving the President authority to invade Iraq. I wrote immediately to my Senator, John Kerry, to object to his mealy-mouthed reasoning.
My husband and I donned our warm togs and went to NYC with hundreds of thousands of others on Feb 15 2003 to march in protest. The City of NY did everything to restrict our gathering, forcing us to walk up past 60th St. to find a cross street open to pedestrians (!) to walk over to First Ave. Friends came from upstate NY only to be caught in a massive crowd and never be able to get even near the rally site. Then the whole gathering was barely reported by NPR and the New York Times. One certainly felt the weight of the establishment dismissing us nay-sayers.
As for Conservasaurus complaining about Howard Dean - the so-called "scream" was an microphone artifact of Dean speaking to a noisy crowd, but all the rest of us heard was his voice. The mainstream media and bloviating pundits made sure to deflate Dean's candidacy. They all get on a bandwagon and repeat each other's reporting. Shameful.
I agree that among the candidates for president, those who understood the administration lies early are to be preferred to those who had their fingers in the 2002 political wind.
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During the Bush presidency Sanders has become even more hawkish. Although Sanders did call for alternatives to war in Afghanistan he did not join the sole Democrat, Barbara Lee, in voting against the Congressional resolution that gave Bush blanket permission to wage war against any country he deemed connected with the September 11 attacks. Since then, Sanders has continually voted for appropriations bills to fund the occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Although he has been critical of the war in Iraq, Sanders has supported many pro-war measures. Sanders voted for a March 21, 2003 resolution which stated, "Congress expresses the unequivocal support and appreciation of the nation to the President as the Commander in Chief for his firm leadership and decisive action in the conduct of military operations in Iraq as part of the ongoing War on Terrorism."
Sanders also opposes an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The day after his election to the U.S. Senate, Sanders said, "I don't think you can do . . . immediate withdrawal. I think the policy has got to be . . .we will withdraw as soon as possible."
In the summer of 2006 Sanders voted for HR 921, which endorsed and gave full support to Israel's murdereous and unprovoked assault on Lebanon. He also voted for HR 4681 that imposed sanctions on the Palestinian Authority aimed at removing the democratically elected Hamas government from office. Sander's support for Israel's attack on Lebanon prompted War Resisters League leader David McReynolds to send a public letter to Sanders which stated, "Because of your vote in support of the Israeli actions, I would hope any friends and contacts of mine would not send you funds, nor give you their votes."
In probably his worst pro-war vote, Sanders voted for HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act, which is very similar to the resolutions that established the framework for the war in Iraq. The act calls for the U.S to support democratic change in the country, thereby establishing pretexts for war against Iran. Dennis Kucinich voted against the act, calling it a stepping stone to war."
Sanders is definitely no "antiwar hero." He is a "hawk" who belongs in the "Hall of Shame."
For more information on Sander's perfidious record, see Ashley Smith, "A Socialist in the Senate," CounterPunch, November 15, 2006.
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Posted by: Mimigibs on Mar 13, 2007 10:22 AM
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There are too many people who like Kucinich but won't vote for him because they think he doesn't look "Presidential." Mahatma Gandhi didn't look presidential either but just think about what he accomplished.
When will the American people finally wake up?
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The cowards on any anti-hero list should include the names of CHP and local county sheriffs who refused or declined to help any of these women when witnesses called 911 for help. That includes the names of all the LA County Sheriff's at the Lost Hills station in Calabasas, CA for refusing to help my wife as her car was smoking in a ditch following the assault on her and my children. That kind of cowardice should be rewarded with an armor-free trip to Iraq.. maybe using the funds congress will authorize to perpetuate 'Merkaan stoopid until 2008.
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 13, 2007 12:27 PM
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We need to clean the house-and the senate-and especially the executive branch. IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Courage at the top levels of the government is unheard of. Hell half the time no one is even in Congress,watch C-span sometime you'll see how empty the Chambers are,sadly it's the same with their hearts and minds. No matter what 'speak' is flowing from their mouths is a line of crap as tall as Mt. Hood. Troop pullouts in a year!?? Minimum wage raises in two years!?? How many will die from hunger in this country while we're waiting for this raise? How many good men and women will come home to sub-standard treatment by the VA in this two years? More than enough to make the rest of us Veterans sick at their treatment. How many will be disposessed from their homes because they don't have a 'living wage' before the Congress sees it needs to support it's People.
Which would you rather 'defend against all enemies' a country that insures oppurtunity for it's People,one that has Healthcare for all,one that insures everyone has good food,clean water,pure air and good growing soils where caring for the environment is seen as 'promoting the general welfare. Or, one that supports Greed,Corruption and graft. Making sure only the truly insidious get ahead.The most heinous of criminals have titles like CEO,CFO,President,and Vice-President,where plans that make 60-80% of the People are held in 'paid slavery' because there's no 'living wages' paid, creating a deliberate Lower Income class. Low income should be what you get as a paperboy,not substance as an adult with a family.
If education is supposed to be the pride of America,why isn't education free. If you go by what you see out of an airplane window flying across the country,you'd think the pride of America is in making toxic landfills.
Katrina showed just how well this Government takes care of it's People. The Oil companies showed us just how mush this government protects us from profiteering assholes. This Government is a failure!
If we are to rise above this garbagecan of a Government we need to bring People into the government that owe their service to The People and not the Corperations. We need People that will not sellout to the Fat-wallet fatheads.
Since we only tend to use what the media feeds us,we keep electing gasbags to positions of power,were their super-egos cause them to totally forget the People in exchange for big contributions. We need to break this habit with a coup-de-tat of Non-Support. The Electoral College is a joke,voting is innane,the only choice is to 'Draft' those who prove,by their actions, that they are worthy of the job.
It will take longer than a ten month run at the office,but what we get in return will be worth the wait.
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Posted by: gandhi on Mar 13, 2007 3:28 PM
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Oh yeah, and AlterNet too!
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That label doesn't apply to Roberts. He is the former assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and was associate editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and contributing editor of National Review. I don't think any of those credentials can be construed as liberal.
Oddly enough, Patrick Buchanan, at least when it comes to the Iraq fiasco, also has been a fierce, unrelenting critic of our chief Bubble Boy.
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Posted by: larue on Mar 13, 2007 8:57 PM
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However, I wanna see a phrekin list of those who pointed out that OUR intended invasion of Afghanistan was NOT for Bin Laden but for the PIPELINE deals the Talibani had signed with Russia, China, Germany (I THINK it was all three of them).
We invaded Afghanistan to queer the pipeline deals, because the Taliban had cut us OUT of the deals, and Cheney (Halliburton lost a LOT of money on that Talibani decision) was angry, and well, it WAS convenient to use that invasion as a precursor to Iraq, and Iran, which PNAC and the neocon's had in mind, all along.
THIS COUNTRY'S fatal mistake, aside from electing the Burnt Shrub and his minions of Lucifer, was to get all patriotic post 911 and let ShrubCo take it to Afghanistan.
THAT'S where the FIRST revelation of a lack of cohones among the general public and our corporate struructure was exposed, but no one really wanted to report about it, cept for Seymour Hersh, maybe Juan Cole, and a SMALL few others, who were NOT published widely, and shouted down in a heated fervor of KILL THE ARABS!
This country is a disgrace to itself, and there should be millions upon millions in the streets on a daily basis reclaiming a facsimile of what we once had.
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Posted by: susanhathaway on Mar 19, 2007 12:15 PM
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Your article really should have mentioned Scott Ritter, though, as one of those who tried to spread early warnings that Iraq had no WMDs.
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