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Why Can't We Talk about Peace in Public?

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted February 28, 2007.


America's growing economic dependence on the hi-tech defense industry is creating a culture that views peace and nonviolence as seditious concepts.
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"The fellas from 121 started showing up the other day. It's starting to sink in... I'll have to go home, the opportunities to kill these fuckers is rapidly coming to an end. Like a hobby I'll never get to practice again. It's not a great war, but it's the only one we've got. God, I do love killing these bastards. ... Morale is high, the Marines can smell the barn. It's hard to keep them focused. I still have 20 days of kill these motherfuckers, so I don't wanna take even one day off. " -- letter home from an unnamed Marine F/A -18 pilot in Iraq.
The above letter arrived in my inbox via an email circular sent by an acquaintance of mine, a defense analyst and former congressional aide named Winslow Wheeler. It came alongside a pained commentary by another former Pentagon analyst named Franklin (Chuck) Spinney, who is probably best known for the famous "Spinney report" of the mid-'80s which exposed the waste and inefficiency of many hi-tech Defense Department projects.

Spinney's career followed the classic whistleblower arc; after sending his courageous Jerry Maguire letter on Pentagon waste up the bureaucratic flagpole, he was nearly buried by his own bosses only to be saved from ignominy at the last minute by the intercession of Senator Chuck Grassley, who invited him to air his findings in Congress.

Spinney ended up on the cover of Time magazine a week later and soon thereafter began a new career as a much sought-after expert on the inner workings of the military-industrial complex. Like another famous post-Watergate whistleblower, Karen Silkwood, Spinney ended up inspiring a Hollywood feature film -- although in this case no Oscars were forthcoming, as the key role in the lighthearted comedy The Pentagon Wars was played by Cary Elwes instead of Meryl Streep. Brutally, Kelsey Grammer also made an appearance as the film's heavy.

Now retired and living in the Mediterranean, Spinney briefly returned to the States and somehow got hold of the above letter by a Marine pilot involved in close air support missions in Iraq. Spinney's commentary about the pilot ran as follows:
Here is a "warrior" who brags about killing for killing's sake, but the people he kills are just spots on the ground that disappear in clouds of explosions. He describes the joy of war at a distance and sees nothing of its horrors. You won't find any descriptions of blood, broken limbs, trauma or destruction in this email. You won't even find reference to his own feelings of menace or fear -- not to mention their noble counterweights courage and esprit -- just braggadocio on the subject of killing. Of course, his targets are all insurgents: no sense of any human capacity for doubt on that point. ... Hopefully, the man who wrote this ghastly thing is an aberration and not at all representative of the men and women in our military.
I searched the internet to see if anyone had anything to say about Spinney's commentary. There were only a few sites that mentioned it, but in this one he is predictably blasted by soldiers who viewed his comments as a betrayal.

"I'm surprised at Spinney's outburst," writes one. "I would have thought that as an AF guy, he'd at least understand the emotion of a fighter pilot doing a CAS mission. I've enjoyed Spinney's views on Pentagon finances -- maybe he should stick with his area of expertise."

"Spinney is pathetic!!!" writes another. "I'm a grunt, we get paid to kill and we do a damn good job. America has kept Marines around for that fact, and not because we look incredibly good in our dress blues."

I'm always wary of these stories about American soldiers acting like hateful, mindlessly violent psychopaths in Iraq, though they're not exactly rare -- from Abu Ghraib of course, to a chilling video of a pilot pointlessly wasting a huge crowd of what appear to be civilians in Fallulah ("Oh, dude!" the pilot chuckles, after the explosion appears to kill dozens), to a gang of squids in the Gulf who lined up on an aircraft carrier deck in a formation that cleverly read "Fuck Iraq," to soldiers running over a cab driver's car with a tank because he was suspected of looting a few pieces of wood to stories about the use of napalm in Tallulah, and so on.

It's not that I don't believe these stories, and not that I don't want to hear them. I'm just wary of sullying the debate over this war with a referendum on the behavior of young soldiers who have been placed in an impossible position, sent to fight in a strange and hostile place with no clear mission and no detectable strategy for securing peace or victory. In my mind, all the people in the Bush administration and in Congress and in the media who got these kids sent there in the first place have to be the first ones held responsible for whatever those kids do after being thrown into the fire. I just don't yet have the stomach to start pointing the finger at a bunch of teenagers and twenty-somethings who never should have been sent there in the first place.

But the letter from this Marine pilot is something different. What worries me about it is this unabashed glee in killing people from high altitudes might not be a psychiatric aberration, but an inevitable consequence of the entire structure of our economy, which is based heavily on government spending in the area of high-technology defense manufacturing. When Spinney focuses on this gruesome and bloody letter from a single Marine pilot, he's not ripping an individual soldier but showing graphically how the tail has, by now, wagged the whole dog -- how a society whose economy is based on hi-tech defense spending will first tend to gravitate inexorably toward hi-tech defense solutions to policy problems, and then over time will raise whole generations instilled with an implicit belief in and enthusiasm for such lunacies as the "surgical strike." Here's how Spinney put it:
We all know that the American Way of War is to use our technology to pour firepower on the enemy from a safe distance. Implicit in this is the central myth of precision bombardment that dates back to at least to the Norden Bombsight in World War II ... Of course this is all hogwash, as the conduct of the Iraq War has proven once again. Real war is always uncertain and messy and bloody and wasteful and accompanied by profound psychological and moral effects. But these preposterous theories are central to the American Way of War, because they justify the maintenance of a high cost hi-tech military which is so essential to the welfare of the parasitic political economy of the military-industrial-congressional complex that is now seamlessly embedded in our political culture.
The reason I'm even writing about Spinney's letter this week is that we're now just seeing come into focus the first outlines of the rhetorical parameters for the 2008 presidential campaign. Among other things, I'm seeing a lot of TV commentators pound home the theme that the Democratic party needs to shed its reputation for "pacifism." An article I saw about Rudy Giuliani last week saluted the former mayor for being sensible on Iraq without being a "peacenik." After four years of Iraq, we still can't talk about peace in public! This evil bullshit has been buried in the commercial media's descriptive campaign language seemingly forever by now, but it may be time -- in the wake of this Iraq disaster -- to start thinking about where it comes from and what effect it may have on the national psyche.

I believe that Marine pilot is driven by the same forces that render the presidential candidacy of someone like Dennis Kucinich impossible in America. A country that feeds itself through the manufacture of war technology is bound to view peace, nonviolence and mercy as seditious concepts. It will create policies first and then people to fit its machines, finding wars to fight and creating killers to fight them. If that's true of us, and I think it is, our troubles won't be over even if someone brings the Iraq war to an end. We'll be treating the symptom and not the disease. And the reason our elections are a sham is that the disease is never on the table. Excepting the occasional Kucinich, no one in either party is interested in trying to change who we are, no matter how sick we become.

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Way to reinforce the Empire, Matt
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 28, 2007 9:14 AM   
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Spreading the false idea that the US empire depends on and benefits from military spending doesn't strike me as the smartest strategy for organizing people against the empire. Plus, it's just not true.

The military-industrial complex draws capital and skilled workers away from more productive enterprises and damages our competitivness. Why do you think we've lost out to Asian economies that have (relatively) negligible defense spending?

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Good start for analysis
Posted by: nopuppy on Feb 28, 2007 10:21 AM   
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Unlike the other commenter, this idea strikes me as worthy of further exploration. Certainly our entire national economy is based on the military-industrial menage: take the bucks away from Boeing, GE, and the others at the Pentagon's teat, and massive disruption would follow. And our national appetite for hideous violence--witness the success of the abominable 24 and its kind--certainly provides a parallel with the populace of the Roman military empire and their taste for the horrors of the Coliseum. Please explore this topic more.

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» Well, then... Posted by: SteveB
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About time...
Posted by: tweedster on Feb 28, 2007 1:48 PM   
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Taibbi has a sensible article up here on Alternet that doesn't devolve into the usual name calling crap that seems to be his forte.

I'm giving credit where credit is due here. Good article Matt. This is an issue with a shadow that looms over us all.

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It seems so painfully obvious.........
Posted by: amadeus on Feb 28, 2007 6:57 PM   
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...............but alas, it's so hidden. The country has it's eyes wide shut. We are royally screwed. You're right, Matt. Ending the Iraq war (which is not even a war) won't even come close to ending our sad ways.

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mistake
Posted by: Jbedor on Feb 28, 2007 11:11 PM   
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matt,

I'm a big fan of your work but the marines spelling 'fuck iraq' on the aircraft carrier was exposed as a hoax by snopes a while ago

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/carrier.asp

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» Snopes does not disprove the photo. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Because we have so little experience of peace...
Posted by: phantastikon on Mar 1, 2007 5:48 AM   
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in our 200-odd year history, even imagining peace is a real stretch both for politicians and for citizens.

As to the comments about the relative size of direct expenditures on military activities: budgets miss the point. In a militaristic culture, the threat of force accomplishes several "trickle down" effects: debt, interest on that debt, distraction from possible solutions to real domestic problems, and the politicization of policy around circular reasoning about "cutting and running." The result is a climate of stagnation of ideas, pointless "debate," and an opening to authoritarianism. Militarism as foreign policy devolves into armed robbery, coercion, protection rackets on a global scale, and the invitation of a tool--the "defense and intelligence" establishment--into the policy making arena. What was supposed to be merely a tool becomes an end in and of itself.

Matt opens up probably the most important question we can ask today: why can't peace be talked about openly, not merely as a temporary status (i.e., as the condition we experience between acts of aggression), but as a desirable and necessary condition for human existence? I'd expand that question somewhat to include the relative absence of any concept of justice from public discourse.

I don't know that the "why" in either case is simple, but two possible answers jump out at me: first, if we used the condition of peace or the test of justice to interrogate our actions, the very "business" of our corporations and our "leaders" would be jeopardized. If, for example, Congress or the Unitary Executive, had to consider doing something other than making war, propping up corporate profits, and attempting to control other counties, what would be left to them to do? They have been so adept at this for so long that they clearly have no other skills. They have no imagination for other tasks. To require politicians and bureaucrats to change focus is to make their job descriptions change so fundamentally that they'd be at a loss as to what to do next. Social welfare? Diplomacy? Wise fiscal management? They're simply not schooled in the work of governing beyond the ad hoc "arts" of organized crime.

Secondly, to talk about peace (and justice) openly would open up that historical can of worms: "What is to be done?" If you take the radical step of entertaining ideas of peace and justice, other forms of social, economic, and political organization fall onto "the table." And, at that point, we get to talk about socialism, a discussion that would never do, would it?

Point me to a fully capitalist society that doesn't see its military as an economic tool, please. Even the EU gets to shore itself up with alliances such as NATO. But citizens of the EU at least have the possibility of social justice (although that window seems to be rapidly closing for many), and I think this is in part true because they've experienced military defeat. Having lived through the misery that total war necessarily brings, they've been forced to "talk about peace" out in the open, even while allowing the US to act as proxy shock troops.

I can't bring myself, yet, to hope for a military disaster to bring even the subject of peace into our consciousness, but I would hope that our "leaders" might consider that they probably won't win them all (abroad) and that they can't continue to lose at home.

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» What's with all the "we's"? Posted by: SteveB
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» AMEN!! Posted by: Timba
Peace is Unamerican
Posted by: Conchobhar on Mar 1, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Matt is right.
During the bombing of Serbia in the '90's it was reported that some in the military were bothered by the over reliance on air power and the moral implications of waging war from a safe distance. When a nation can "project power" (read inflict violence) without paying a heavy price in blood, the military option becomes too inviting. Given the policies of the current administration, and others before it, the rest of the world has ample reason to see the USA as the greatest danger to peace. James Carroll's most recent book, HOUSE OF WAR; The Pentagon and the Disastrous Rise of American Power, covers this question in depth, and should be required reading for every American.

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Who profits?
Posted by: COcowboy on Mar 1, 2007 11:20 AM   
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I would like to see what corporations are still involved in a war economy. Then I would like to see what countries host their production. I think from overlaying these two statistics some painfully evident patterns will emerge. Peace is an anathema to war economies by definition. There is no profit in peace within the war economy. Yet, they do like to have some brief 12 to 18 month respites to build new munitions and not have to endure sudden plant ramp up's and then lay-offs. One last statistic is to lay the pattern of recent "respites" out to see how they connect. Also consider that the shelf life of a smart bomb is also 12 to 18 months. Use it or lose it!

Namaste = "From my highest mind to your highest mind. " When we communicate on this level peace is the only path forward. Help by getting a wider and wider circle of family that embraces communicating at this level. When the circles embrace we will have much a much different planet with many more opportunities for all.

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Soldier-Kult
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 1, 2007 1:31 PM   
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I've always observed and maintained that Amerika is a soldier-cult. Period. That we cannot talk peace in public today is not new. It's only more virulent.

You cannot teach peaceableness to a cult-ure that cannot even imagine what peace actually is. Just as you cannot train a soldier as a soldier and expect him to be a warrior in the modern budo tradition. Unfortunately we were a solider-cult, now we are a soldier-cult-on-crack and that's beyond the point of no return. This is the inevitability of nation-states and why we have to throw out the bullshit of the past that has proven itself incapable of "reform" and repair. We must start all over.

As for speaking peace in public. It's long past time to do it fearlessly and often and shame publicly those for whom doing so is treason. We have a whole cult-ure to deprogram here.

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Welcome back
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 2, 2007 2:47 AM   
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To be honest, some of your recent articles have been long-winded, ranting, and unfocused.

This one gets back to why I started reading your column: edgy, blunt, direct, different...A refreshing break from a lot of the group-thinking, PC stuff.

Peace is indeed a dirty word in this country. No politician will be caught dead using it.

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» RE: Welcome back Posted by: spanky
Video game generation is all about strutting, posturing
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 2, 2007 3:19 AM   
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I have always detested the kind of mindless machoism displayed by that Marine pilot, who probably has never heard a shot fired in anger -- much less seen the carnage his errant bombs have inflicted on innocent civilians.

Of course, this kind of bluster has been around ever since people first went into battle. It's a kind of self-psyching-out designed to ease the constant fear and anxiety of a combat situation. In recent years, though, with the advent of Tom Clancy novels, war video games and other celebrations of violence, this lack of empathy has become routine. These people sound more like spoiled frat boys out on the town than warriors.

It's the hallmark of a military force -- and a nation -- in decline.

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THOMAS MERTON
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 2, 2007 3:34 AM   
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Spinney's comment on the nameless soldier who was so awed and overcome with joy at his ability to kill, reminded me of a poem by Thomas Merton. The poem was a "defence" of concentration camp commandant, Adpolf Eichmann:

I saw every Jew burned
and turned into soap
Do you people think yourselves better
because you burned your enemies
at long distances
without ever seeing what you'd done to them

*************

We all should be reading Merton.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Talking Peace is OK but ....
Posted by: Windwhistler on Mar 2, 2007 3:52 AM   
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Oh you can talk about peace OK with Amerikans but just try talking about closing down a local military base. Wow! The citizenry are suddenly on a warpath. This has been demonstrated over and over. Hey, war is coursing through our blood folks! And it is a really well kept secret.

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Business Interests Pervert Rational and Humane Behavior
Posted by: igoeja on Mar 2, 2007 4:38 AM   
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No one can really doubt that the self-interest of the oil (they make outsize profits from oil-flow disruption) and military (Haliburton is only one example of a company that makes money from perpetual war) industries are partly driving the irrationality of war. That, and the fact that the current politicians-in-power have specific interests in those industries.

Also, the war resources are disproportionately directed to middle America, and the heartland, which many of us "lefties" imagine is the roost of evil in this country (Republicans, religiosity, gun nuts, low-levels of intelligence and academics), supports the corporate welfare and wealth transfer that is the Iraq war.

Imagine the billions redirected toward health, medicine, technology, and social services. The quality of life of Americans is sacrificed to fund war, and to enhance the wealth of Republicans in power. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been murdered to support the American economy and make special interests rich.

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una voce
Posted by: m/r on Mar 2, 2007 4:44 AM   
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Kucinich for Pres

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How can I end the war?
Posted by: Benjamin Dover on Mar 2, 2007 4:53 AM   
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I am writing to you for help. It appears that democracy has utterly failed in the U.S. The majority of Americans are against the Iraq war and want our troops brought home , yet even after the virtual referendum on the war (2006 election) that radically changed the makeup of congress , our ‘representatives’ are unable to pass even a wimpy non-binding statement against the war.

It is now quite clear that the reasons for the war were completely false :
i. Revenge for 9/11: None of the hijackers were from Iraq and there is no credible evidence that Saddam had anything to do with it although corporate media misinformation confuses many.
ii. To Protect the U.S. from Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD): There is no evidence of Saddam’s missing WMDs. Ironically the U.S. has the most weapons of mass destruction including --- 9,962 nuclear warheads (enough to destroy humanity several times over via nuclear winter ), and vast stockpiles of internationally illegal chemical/biological weapons. This does not even include weapons such as those currently contaminating Iraq with toxic and radioactive “depleted uranium”.
iii. Toppling Saddam to bring Iraq democracy. Historically the U.S. has supported Saddam when he served our purposes. The current Iraq regime is considered a puppet in the Middle East. Ironically we barely function as a democracy as corruption breads apathy. We are paying the price for corruption via no bid contracts to the likes of Cheney’s company, Halliburton.

The truth is America has become a corrupt empire through the ‘military-industrial complex’ . We account for ~1/2 of world military expenditures. The Pentagon owns or rents 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries and has another 6,000 bases in the U.S. and its territories. We spend $200 million each day in Iraq, $ 404 billion to date , and a trillion dollars is estimated to finish it. We do not have this money – we put our children in debt to fund this war.

Iraq has an enormous stockpile of oil – oil that the entire global economy is dependent on . The war really is all about oil and our control of it . The troops suffer the consequences of our oil addiction : 3,161 Americans have been killed and a staggering 23,417 Americans have been wounded in Iraq. Although more Americans have died in Iraq for fake retribution for 9/11 than in 9/11 itself , this toll on human life pales in comparison for the death toll among Iraq’s civilians: 655,000

Life in Iraq now is simply dismal– violent, insecure, and worse than under Saddam . Iraq is occupied by a foreign military that continues to commit atrocities, war crimes, and torture. Not surprisingly, the Iraqi people hate us. In fact, partaking in this illegal war of aggression has turned the international community against us . Most alarmingly, it has actively forced people to become terrorists. Terrorism has expanded 700% since the invasion of Iraq . Terrorism is simply a method of warfare or a tactic – you can not win a ‘war against a method’.

Continuing the Iraq war is clearly insanity. Please ask yourself “How can I stop the Iraq war?” and then – do it!

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What does Peace look like?
Posted by: daccame on Mar 2, 2007 5:35 AM   
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I've always maintained that if the US spent as much on Peace and Justice as it does on Defense, we might not need a Military.

Read the following news release to see how peaceful solutions work:

Tehran Delegation Returns Stressing Talks Between the U.S., Iran

by Katherine Boyle
Religion News Service 2-26-2007
WASHINGTON (RNS) A delegation of 13 U.S. Christian leaders who recently traveled to Iran to help defuse tensions over Tehran's nuclear ambitions will meet with members of Congress next week to discuss their trip.

"Our governments have not spoken for 30 years," said the Rev. Jeff Carr, of Sojourners/Call to Renewal. "We think that beginning dialogue and paving the way for mutual respect and peaceful relations is really something that needs to happen, and religious leaders could play a significant role in that."

During the Feb. 17-25 trip, the group met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, members of parliament and local religious leaders.

The trip was organized by the Mennonite Central Committee and the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group. Others participating include Sojourners/Call to Renewal; the Episcopal, Catholic and United Methodist churches; the National Council of Churches and Pax Christi USA.

In the meeting with Ahmadinejad, the delegation spoke about topics including the role of religion in easing conflict, the Iraq war, nuclear proliferation and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

During the 2 1/2-hour discussion, the president told the group that Iran has no intention to acquire or use nuclear weapons, according to the delegation's statement. He also advocated solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through political rather than military means.

Carr said members of Congress from both sides of the aisle encouraged the religious leaders to make the trip. "I think they understand the tensions between (Iran and the U.S.) need to somehow be resolved peacefully, that war is not the answer," Carr added.

Jim Winkler, general secretary of the United Methodists' Board of Church and Society, said the group will stress the need for dialogue with Iran when they meet with members of Congress, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top leaders of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"There have to be talks," Winkler said. "The president's statement that he will not speak to somebody that doesn't meet his standard of behavior is just not a realistic or appropriate way to deal with the situation."

"I think there's no one better to extend the olive branch of peace than the followers of Jesus Christ," he added, "so I felt like I was really carrying out my responsibility as a disciple of Jesus when I traveled to Iran."

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Good Article- But The Pus Is Coming Out!
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 2, 2007 6:18 AM   
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I agree with premise of article but I believe we are hitting bottom- a sign of better days ahead.

The pus is coming out due in part to our still free press and our economic amd moral inability to sustain the insanity of the last 6 years in particular

When they shut down AlterNet and other progressive blogs is the day we really ought to start packing.

Be Well,

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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War is the health of The State
Posted by: JMorse on Mar 2, 2007 6:32 AM   
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“…There is, of course, in the feeling toward the State a large element of pure filial mysticism. The sense of insecurity, the desire for protection, sends one's desire back to the father and mother, with whom is associated the earliest feelings of protection…

… A people at war have become in the most literal sense obedient, respectful, trustful children again, full of that naïve faith in the all-wisdom and all-power of the adult who takes care of them, imposes mild but necessary rules upon them and in whom they lose their responsibility and anxieties.

…On most people the strain of being an independent adult weighs heavily, and upon none more than those members of the significant classes who have had bequeathed to them or have assumed the responsibilities of governing. The State provides the symbols under which these classes can retain all the actual pragmatic satisfaction of governing, but can rid themselves of the psychic burden of adulthood. They continue to direct industry and government and all the institutions of society pretty much as before, but in their own conscious eyes and in the eyes of the general public, they are turned from their selfish and predatory ways, and have become loyal servants of society, or something greater than they — the State.

…The State in wartime supplies satisfaction for this very real craving, but its chief value is the opportunity it gives for this regression to infantile attitudes. In your reaction to an imagined attack on your country or an insult to its government, you draw closer to the herd for protection, you conform in word and deed, and you insist vehemently that everybody else shall think, speak, and act together. And you fix your adoring gaze upon the State, with a truly filial look, as upon the Father of the flock, the quasi-personal symbol of the strength of the herd, and the leader and determinant of your definite action and ideas.

…In this great herd machinery, dissent is like sand in the bearings. The State ideal is primarily a sort of blind animal push toward military unity. Any difference with that unity turns the whole vast impulse toward crushing it. Dissent is speedily outlawed, and the Government, backed by the significant classes and those who in every locality, however small, identify themselves with them, proceeds against the outlaws, regardless of their value to the other institutions of the nation, or to the effect their persecution may have on public opinion. The herd becomes divided into the hunters and the hunted, and war enterprise becomes not only a technical game but a sport as well.”

Excerpted from: War Is The Health of The State, Randolph Bourne

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THE FACTS
Posted by: wawa on Mar 2, 2007 6:53 AM   
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On THAT DAY we call 9/11 3,000 innocent people died and Bush responded with his 'war on terror' which has effectively TERRORIZED the world



As of Jan 1, 2007, John Hopkins School of Public Health has reported:

3,000 American service-woman/men have died

22,000 are permanently maimed

654,000 Iraqi civilians are dead.


Refugees International reports that:

An estimated 1.9 million Iraqis have fled their homeland and the USA has taken in only a few of them and calls their flight: "The fastest growing humanitarian crisis in the world."




UN health care workers states the war in Iraq has created "a lost generation of traumatized children."

UNICEF officials estimate 840,000 children in Gaza bear the consequences of Israeli shelling and other attacks and suffer PTSS, severe malnutrition and other diseases.

Saddam was hung;

"One may oppose capital punishment as retaliatory brutality but still wonder if the Bush administration and its Israeli allies will also be held accountable for their crimes."-page 9, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2007.

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http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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Transcript of Bill Moyers interviewing Chuck Spinney
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 2, 2007 7:04 AM   
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http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/spinney.html

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Way behind the times.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 2, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Fifty years ago the Military/Industrial complex that DDE warned us about was a group of congressmen who worked to perpetuate war industries, military installations and war related research in their districts and states to maintain decent paying jobs. This complex was nowhere near the threat of today's corporatocracy which includes Pharmaceuticals, Banking, Insurance, War, and other industries which support both political parties and are aligned against the interests of the people. We can safely morph the old saying, "What's good for General Motors, is good for the country" into "What's good for the corporate establishment is bad for the people". From lax oversight of environmental laws, to a bad seniors' prescription drug bill that's the truth.

The government of "We the people" is controlled by "they the corporate establishment".
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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From gangs to uniforms...
Posted by: jdub on Mar 2, 2007 8:46 AM   
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You get an all volunteer military and you get a lot of thugs in it. It should surprise no one, for killing in Iraq is just a step away from gang warfare in America's cities. We citizens should have never accepted the idea of a "professional" all-volunteer military. It's become the tool of second-rate American politicians who are way too prone to endorse military conflict. And, now that we've got it, truth-be-told, most citizens would rather have it this way and wash their hands of any necessity for blood. It's pathetic.

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» RE: From gangs to uniforms... Posted by: liberalibrarian
War ON Iraq?
Posted by: Sushi on Mar 2, 2007 10:23 AM   
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When did the war IN Iraq morph into the "War ON Iraq"?
I thought we were there "freeing" them...of their oil.

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Mar 2, 2007 10:37 AM   
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Your Marine flyer, much to his apparent regret, will be back among us soon, his war over, his opportunity to do murder gone. We spent a tidy portion of our tax dollars training him to be a psychopathic killer and soon he will walk among us, with access to weapons as easy as access to chewing gum. Even if he tries to obtain help for his PTSD (unlikely given his gleeful accommodation of his deep pathology), he'll probably end up enjoying the tender mercies of the pysch unit at Walter Reed, again at our expense.

No doubt when he cracks and mows down some bystanders at a shopping mall, somebody will find a way to blame it on the "liberals"...

Anybody still wondering "why they hate us"?

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While We Are Focused On Iraq
Posted by: mite on Mar 2, 2007 10:39 AM   
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Foreign Corporations-governments are sucking up these united States, Constitution and bill of rights and creating a North American Union. www.americapolicy.org

Our countries Canada, Mexico, and U.S. will have the borders erased and a new ruling body will enslave the people. It is designed by the International Bankers and Corporations and signed into agreement on March, 2005 by Pres. Bush, Pres. Fox and Prime minister Martin.

Keep the focus on the Iraq people and when you wake up America will be 'No More.'

www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm www.givemeliberty.org

We the people of this U.S. have been and are being lied to for over 93 years. Our money is not real and there is no law that requires citizens within the 50 states of the U.S. to pay taxes on our Income or Labor.

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/EmryBillion.htm

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Mar 2, 2007 10:53 AM   
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All you nice folks should find out what the U.S. of A. is really all about. I strongly urge you to read William Blum's "Killing Hope." The sad fact is most Americans seem to love war, that is until it affects them directly. As long as other folks kids are dying who cares? War movies are on TV on a regular basis. If you want our troops out of Iraq to save their hides, you're a pacifist. The people who put the SUPPORT THE TROOPS stickers on their cars are flag-waving idiots and they probably consider themselves pastriots. I forgot who said it but here it is, "The army is nothing but a security blanket for big busniess." That may have been the late General Smedley Butler.

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Many Thanks Matt
Posted by: bob t on Mar 2, 2007 11:03 AM   
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Matt,
Many thanks for this article. You exoressed my feelings, exactly. I agree with everything you said, 100%.
Unless we get someone like Dennis KUcinich for president I don't see any hope that the US war, military, Industrial, killing attitude will continue. And america will never elect Dennis because he will be tarred by the warhawks and chickenhawks for his beliefs that america should be a beacon for peace.
It is quite interesting to me, having been raised a Catholic and taught that killing is wrong to see that the past and present popes have aligned themselves and even worse the entire Catholic Church with the party of war, the republican party since probably the days of Nixon. I know for a fact that this alignment most assuredly took place through Pope John Paul II who put Reagan in office via the Catholic voters. And the Catholic Church has maintained this alliance between it and the Republican Party and Republican presidents and Republican congressman ever since. The selling or giving away of religion for political power is an abomination. It is amazing to me to note that Pope John Paul II is being fast-tracked for sainthood when he is nothing but a war criminal as are all the repugs and dems who support this endless killing, and i'm not a pacifist by any stretch. Strange as it may sound I think Gen. Wes Clark would also make a good president. So far I like Gen. Clark, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Sen. Jim Webb and possibly Barak Obama as the best presidential candidates. We who want peace have to fight Catholics and southerners, most of whom want war. I don't think Jesus would endorse war, not even a little bit. He was the ultimate pacifist and maybe someday I will also learn to be one. God bless you Matt for your thoughtful and very well written article, we need more americans like you. Ane we especially need more americans like you in the MSM.
PRAY FOR PEACE
Pray for the end of the rule of those who think killing is the right,proper and correct way of doing things.

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george veronis
Posted by: veronis on Mar 2, 2007 11:32 AM   
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With a president who prides himself on being called the war president, is it any wonder that peacetalk is anathema? If we had a president who had the mental capacity to think, the discussion would be more sensible and pertinent to how we can continue living on this earth and in peace with the other inhabitants.

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No $ in Peace
Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 2, 2007 12:20 PM   
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As long as our society and our economic system remain based on the values and assumptions that currently prevail, there can't be peace. There isn't any way that those in power can see to make money at it. Therefore, war will always make more sense to those who rule and those whom they control. Unless we as a society decide that it serves humanity better to focus resources on health, education and basic human needs of food and shelter, we will continue to deprive most of humanity of those basics just so that the top 1% may enjoy the obscene luxuries to which they feel entitled.

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Exactamundo
Posted by: SpankyDaWheel on Mar 2, 2007 1:33 PM   
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This article hits the nail on the head. It seems strange to me that the so-called national security state isn't a more discussed topic in regards to the war. Isn't it obvious that bringing the troops home is not going to solve our country's problem with militarism? Our miliary, and overall notions of national defense, have become so woven into our economy and culture that one is left wondering what can realistically be done to turn the tide against them.

But a way to start is to educate yourself, there have been a lot of great books written about this subject. 'House of War' by James Carroll is the best I've read on so far.

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"it's the permanent war economy, stupid"
Posted by: Shakti on Mar 2, 2007 1:43 PM   
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There is no doubt in my mind that the U.S. has already crossed that line to a "permanent war economy." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_war_economy
and decide for yourself.

We need to shift our focus to green industries, fom fighting eachother to fighting to save the planet.

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Support the troops?
Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 2, 2007 2:20 PM   
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I have a great deal of sympathy for those who were caught enlisted when George started His War. However, the sentiment expressed by the bloodthirsty soldier in the opening quote is extremely troubling. If this is any indication of the training and brainwashing our sons and daughters are receiving, then I despair for any hope that the US will ever be a force for peace. We are Nazi Germany. Our citizenry is turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed because it is easier to ignore the war crimes committed in our names than to oppose them. We as a population stand impeached alongside our (not)elected president. George's War is our war, unless he is stopped.

Support our troops by getting them out. Support our country by impeaching GWB.

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BRING IT HOME
Posted by: disgusted on Mar 2, 2007 2:31 PM   
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I have beaten my head against the wall trying to figure why
34% of the sheeple follow commander codpiece to the killing fields, do they think those ragheads have stolen our oil under their sand? Did they bother to figure out where Dearth Vader was on 9/11?
So let's just do this thing. Attack Iran, disrupt the worldwide supply of oil, involve the Chinese and give the sheeples a taste of war on amerikan soil. Let us all see what hapens when our creditor sells our worthless currency for dimes on the dollar and the flag wavers cannot afford another tank of gasoline let alone potato chips, bring it on The shrub is our war president from hell, lets kick some chinese ass.

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War is a Disease
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Mar 2, 2007 2:47 PM   
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America is inflicted with a serious disease called war. No one does wars as well (in this case, very badly) as Americans, with military bases scattered all over the globe, ready to fight anywhere, anytime for whatever lame reason. How did we allow this culture of war to grow inside of our Petri dish called the USA? How did defense companies like Northrop, Boeing, Raytheon, the makers of the Tomahawk missile so central to the "shock and awe", become so fantastically rich from producing war materiel? It's mindboggling.
Yes, some citizens earn a fat living working in places like these and not give a thought about what their ordinaces do to people on the ground. And that post from the marine pilot is sickening. Whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill?" Only in the name of God, I presume. Our God's better than your Allah-oops, God.
I would like to see a missile maker living in Tucson take a trip to Fallujah and see what a Tomahawk does to human flesh or a cluster bomb maker in Minnesota see how its shrapnel permeates a young child's face. I'm sure these fancy fireworks aren't made to be souvenirs. From America with love.
Our country seemingly can't find a cure for war. In this manner we're acting like a gourmand whose appetite is gregarious which has devoured enormous sums of money.
Where's the solution? Peace is nowhere on the American horizon (agenda). Every damned politician it seems except a few has acted like cheerleaders on the sidelines because they may represent a state (or district) which has a defense plant or military base on it, and that means they're inflcted by the war bug. "It's all about jobs," they might say, but why do we need to make weapons to earn a living? How can one go to bed not feeling angry? How would one like it if they saw their home ripped apart by a Tomahawk or from an Apache gunship? To see your child lose a limb?
Peace seems to be an elusive debate in America. I will never vote for a presidential candidate if they endorse another war anywhere. We need to elect a human who cares about life, and not to cater to the Pentagon or to an arms maker. Got it?

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Peace is for sissies
Posted by: opeluboy on Mar 2, 2007 2:56 PM   
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Or so any foreigner would assume who spent any time in our country. People that work for peace and justice are considered the lunatic fringe and are mocked by the left and the right. Violence is glorified.

And, no Matt, I don't believe that the soldier who wrote that disgusting letter is a rarity.

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Peace as a way of being.
Posted by: zipp28 on Mar 2, 2007 4:24 PM   
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Please consider: human being. Being? Societally more true to "doing" than "being". And when anyone attempts to BE they are for sure derided in various deep seated ways. Yet, eventually humans will learn the validity of BEING. Now please, consider: as creatures biological life regenerative, psychological, "spiritual", anti-entropic, self-evolving, bipedal, we are necessarily involved in all sorts of activities pertaining ecological transformation either physically or metaphysically.
Since our origins we humans have drawn blood of others for food or defense or pure gain. Please consider that all extensions of our nervous system and our brains are in fact what we have made our world of. Some of us, albiet hidden from plain sight are beings yet, mostly we are doing.
Most of us as humans have only killed vicariously, i.e. in the imagination. Some have killed for real. Sanctioned or not.
We, Americans once won some war (ww2) and learned deep lessons. In my life time I've yet to know another who in fact did kill in truth who appreciated the experience after reflection. All of those I spoke with over fifty years of learning lessons from them who in fact where in that war who killed did not, DID NOT want to speak of the experience one iota. My point is this: each and every individual who stands, either man or women, christian or muslim, black or white must indeed come to their own conclusions pertaining real and or sanctioned killing. There probably is no joy in the experience of killing. None. And obviously I am speaking to our depths of potential being, those spaces we get deep inside ourselves in the dank, dead, dark of our collective nights, specifically when we know in our hearts of hearts that we are capable to so elegantly foster and cherish life. Yet, in our enculturated places, men cannot be soft, we must speed along at near breakneck speed until we either crash or piss and then find reasons to deeply, shakenly reflect.
Two men I've recently met in my life, both in their sixties now and both homeless, living the mean streets with the bottle, both stink from their waste, both near broken souls, both did find their spaces of humanness while inside the deep maw of war and made their turns towards being and away from that experience of killing. One of those men had his deep realization as he piloted an american jet killing machine at some 650 miles per hour and he was coating the landscape below with agent orange and he could witness humans writhing as they boiled chemically. Once he landed that killing machine he then stated to his commander "NO More"......he then was immediately thrown into prison for two years.......
We, those of use and those of them who find that this warring shit is nothing but that must then make our decisions to become humans being and not humans doing the killing. One last furtive point here: ThurmoNuclear bombs eviscerate what is and nothing else does live and our only examples historically are Nigasaki and Hiroshima, and those bombs we now can deploy are fifty or more times more powerful and when they do there thing the real question is how are we Humans going to live with what we have then done to other Humans, to the human enterprise, to human cultural realities......A very large deep question......
Peace as a way of being. It is not something we work for, it is a way, of being.........not destroying, not controlling, Being.

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Dare
Posted by: hangman on Mar 2, 2007 4:42 PM   
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that opening clip of a letter is disturbing and no doubt there is probably more like that.

think of the years and years of violent games played on video by kids who eventually when they grow up, then get sent to war.

its sad that if anyone even "Dare to Speak of Peace" in public, they get attacked for it and treated like they are unpatriotic.

the world is in big trouble as a result of this GWB agenda of Invading Iraq.
it might take more courage and leadership to Dare to Speak of Peace in public. It may be troublesome for the money hungry war manufacturers, but thats too bad , considering the hundreds of thousand s of lives that are now quite permanently damaged as a result of the war And terror.
Dare your leaders to Speak of Peace publicly.

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Dare
Posted by: hangman on Mar 2, 2007 4:42 PM   
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that opening clip of a letter is disturbing and no doubt there is probably more like that.

think of the years and years of violent games played on video by kids who eventually when they grow up, then get sent to war.

its sad that if anyone even "Dare to Speak of Peace" in public, they get attacked for it and treated like they are unpatriotic.

the world is in big trouble as a result of this GWB agenda of Invading Iraq.
it might take more courage and leadership to Dare to Speak of Peace in public. It may be troublesome for the money hungry war manufacturers, but thats too bad , considering the hundreds of thousand s of lives that are now quite permanently damaged as a result of the war And terror.
Dare your leaders to Speak of Peace publicly.

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Dare
Posted by: hangman on Mar 2, 2007 4:42 PM   
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that opening clip of a letter is disturbing and no doubt there is probably more like that.

think of the years and years of violent games played on video by kids who eventually when they grow up, then get sent to war.

its sad that if anyone even "Dare to Speak of Peace" in public, they get attacked for it and treated like they are unpatriotic.

the world is in big trouble as a result of this GWB agenda of Invading Iraq.
it might take more courage and leadership to Dare to Speak of Peace in public. It may be troublesome for the money hungry war manufacturers, but thats too bad , considering the hundreds of thousand s of lives that are now quite permanently damaged as a result of the war And terror.
Dare your leaders to Speak of Peace publicly.

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An article based on spam...
Posted by: EagleMB on Mar 2, 2007 4:55 PM   
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Hey guys, I am a foreign diplomat with 10 million dollars to give away. Please send me your bank information, and I will let you keep half.

Please respond to: IAmASucker@ItMustBeRealIfItIsInMyInbox.com

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been there done that.
Posted by: Melvin on Mar 2, 2007 5:31 PM   
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I love the smell of napalm at dawn!

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Xlnt article, sick society
Posted by: spanky on Mar 2, 2007 6:02 PM   
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This is another one of these articles we should all be forwarding around. I think about this topic often and I think it's a sign of a truly sick society. The anaolgies to Nazi germany are apt. No this is not Germany, but it is a supposedly civilized society turning away from horrible atrocities committed in our name and with our tax dollars. Not just Iraq, but a series of wars, proxy wars, covert ops, coup's, assasinations, etc.

All of this shit is glamorized and mythologized in our media and TV/films.

At the Super Bowl and other major events, there is often a military color guard present, fighter jets are flown over head, troops stationed abroad are shown on camera watching the event. People stand in awe of the power and technology and strength of it all, but are so goddammed isolated from reality that they can't figure out what it all means. So pervasive is the militarism in this country that most people do not even see it.

Following quote from James Carroll says a lot:
"Photographic celebrations of our young warriors, glorifications of released American prisoners, heroic rituals of the war dead all take on the character of crass exploitation of the men and women in uniform. First they were forced into a dubious circumstance, and now they are themselves being mythologized as its main post-facto justification -- as if the United States went to Iraq not to seize Saddam (disappeared), or to dispose of weapons of mass destruction (missing), or to save the Iraqi people (chaos), but ''to support the troops.'' War thus becomes its own justification. Such confusion on this grave point, as on the others, signifies a nation lost" ("A Nation Lost," Boston Globe 4/22/03).

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In Retrospect......
Posted by: gellero on Mar 2, 2007 7:01 PM   
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Do you think, in retrospect, that our army should have gone into Cambodia, killed all the Khmer Rouge, and saved a MILLION from brutal murder?? Maybe Rawanda, Darfur??

Can't have it both ways, you know. Maybe we should have also let the Serbs 'cleanse' Muslims from Kosovo. Why should we and the Brits have done anything for them....what have they ever done for us. Just be human beings.

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Nuclear American Deathwish -- disgusting and psychotic news
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 2, 2007 7:06 PM   
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As if we haven't made the world hate us enough, look at what was leaked today...just as we are doing our best to 'disarm' the North Koreans, the Iranians, and the supposed WMDs that belong the the former Iraqi regime. What a sick joke America is becoming.

U.S. announces plans to build new nuclear warheads


By ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON

The US government selected a design Friday for a new generation of atomic warheads, taking a major step toward building the first new nuclear weapon since the end of the Cold War two decades ago.

The military and the Energy Department selected a design developed by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California over a competing design by the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, according to government sources who spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of a formal announcement.

The decision to move ahead with the warhead, which eventually would replace the existing arsenal of weapons dating back 40 years, has been criticized as sending the wrong signal to the world at a time the United States is trying to contain nuclear weapons development in North Korea and Iran.

But military and Energy Department officials have argued the new warhead will not add to the nuclear arsenal. They maintain the new design will make the weapons stockpile more secure and reliable without the need for actual underground testing.

The warhead has been the focus of an intense competition between Los Alamos in New Mexico and Lawrence Livermore, the government's two premier nuclear weapons laboratories.

The labs submitted separate designs nearly a year ago. Lawrence Livermore's design is based on a warhead actually tested in an underground detonation in the 1980s. Los Alamos had a design based on a fresh approach that has not undergone testing.

One of the assurances given by defense officials to Congress is that the new warhead will not have to undergo actual testing.

Once developed, it would be used in the Trident missles on submarines and eventually also replace warheads in the Air Force's missile arsenal, officials said.

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» America's New Nukes and Israel Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
Israel
Posted by: gellero on Mar 2, 2007 8:27 PM   
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Israel has had nukes for 20 years or more, and has 2 missile subs to deliver them. I doubt the other states would exercise such restraint.

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But we do have all those SCUD missiles. . .
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Mar 2, 2007 9:39 PM   
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I wonder if the term "military-industrial complex" means anything to Mr. Taibi, or if he's perhaps just too young. That slogan encompassed one of the prime boogeymen of the Vietnam era, and it's no less pernicious now, raking in more money than the Denver Mint, as it churns out war materiel. This, however, should come as no surprise to anyone--there's never been an appreciable dent in our Defense budget, despite the fact that since '91, we've really had no one to defend ourselves from. (Acts of terrorism are impossible to prevent in a free society. Ask Terry Nichol.) So since the majority of our tax dollar goes directly into the purchase of more WMD, precious little is left to spend on such trivialities as Education, making our children among the worst-educated in the developed world. Ergo, since they're so ill-prepared for higher education, or jobs that require critical thinking, their obvious niche is the military. Where they get to play with all those lethal toys their parents' tax dollars have been paying for while they were growing up and learning to love being citizens of a Superpower. If we have turned out a generation of homicidal psychopaths, it's our own fault. It's because we've allowed an army of slimy Defense contractors to flourish in our midst and pick our pockets for the last sixty years, particularly for the last twenty. It's because we continue to elect Congressmen who allow themselves to be seduced by the Defense lobby, ad infinitum. We sit back and do nothing while Congress approves a Defense budget with the firepower to blow the planet Earth out of the Milky Way galaxy. Of which possibly 85% is completely gratuitous.

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Education and Money
Posted by: gellero on Mar 2, 2007 10:09 PM   
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If you think money will cure poor education, you're dreaming. Is hasn't worked yet, has it?? You can't incucate the values of education to FAMILIES that don't want or understand it.

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Jennie
Posted by: Jennie on Mar 2, 2007 11:19 PM   
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Thanks Matt - great article1
The US is not the only country with a military-industrial complex but it is the wealthiest. It has long been known that the Pentagon awards contracts for supply of weaponry, vehicles, aircraft etc. on a rotating basis to maintain the industrial economy. It is also true that war encourages the development of new technology which can be used also for peaceful purposes. Fear definately breeds innovation, but surely hope and peace could also do so if they were encouraged.
The institution of a totally volunteer military in the US (and other countries) has led to a larger number of enlistees starting off as potential serial killers and mass murders. In former times a warrior would have a very high chance of eventually being killed in battle, no matter how skilled he was, unlike a member of the modern US military, who regard it as their role to be killers of many but a positive insult to be killed.
PS The US did not win WWII, they were on the winning side. Wihout US involvement the Allies would have almost certainly lost to Germany in Europe and the Middle East, however without the continued involement of Britain & her Empire, Russia (who sacrificed enormous numbers to thwart Hitler) and the Free French, Yugoslavs etc the US would have faced the combined might of Germany $ Japan alone and almost certainly would have lost.

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Careful, Mr Taibbi
Posted by: LeftWright on Mar 2, 2007 11:28 PM   
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Keep thinking and you may stop believing the government myth of 9/11.

9/11 Truth is the path to peace.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» RE: Careful, Mr Taibbi Posted by: MrAllen
Marine F/A 18 pilot
Posted by: Tahoe Progressive on Mar 3, 2007 8:43 AM   
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As a former F-4 crewmember, I know what the Marine pilot is thinking. Like it or not, fighterpilots are a unique breed of people who do a very dangerous job. That doesn't make his feelings right. The one thing I got from flying 202 missions over Northern Laos and North Vietnam was hypertension.

A few years ago I met a young Marine pilot who was getting ready to head to the Middle East, pre 2003. He told me he loved having someone shoot at him. I told him that he would eventually grow up.

My biggest worry is that Bush and Cheney will find some generals and admirals who will go along with his plans to attackc Iran. It's the Marine pilots like the one mentioned in the article who will do the job, not understanding the consequences of their actions.

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Why, oh why can't you talk about it?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 3, 2007 1:48 PM   
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I know why.

Because neither party actually wants it (sure at least one wants it in Iraq.. but thats about it). They all want some measure of gunboat diplomacy and empire.... because they are really not that different. Thats why you will never get much of anything done or make much change.

www.greenanarchy.org

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A few facts...and notes from recent history...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 4, 2007 9:09 AM   
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I seem to recall that within the last decade or so there were
a number of scandals or major crises at each of the service
academies involving either widespread sexual harassment,
including rape, of female cadets or racism or improper far
right Christian religious fundamentalist proselytizing or large
scale cheating.
Since the service academies somewhat staff the ranks of
the officer corps , one can imagine a situation in the not at
all distant future where a female battlefield commander who
had 'sucked up' being raped when she was a cadet (almost
certainly a very prideful and competitive young woman)
begins to experience the repressed trauma starting to exp-
ress itself in terms of her confronting 'the enemy'.... :O)
Actually as of a few years ago most officers came from the
OCS or ROTC , accompanying a decline in applications to
the service academies. However this to is problematic,
since ROTC is life on an open campus with not even
whatever feeble or inadequate restraints of the regimented
institutional academy environment present. So the binge
drinking, date raping,video game addicted, cheating/grade
hound scammer ,druggie, racist..may become Captain X or
1st Lieutenant Y or Major Z, circa 2012...oddly enough.
But I may be jumping to unwarranted conclusions...It could
be the case that the preponderance of behavior 'unbecoming
an officer and a gentleman' is found in the cohort of acad-
emy graduates and not those who are the products of
'State U' ROTC. Was that CAS pilot who wrote the
unquenchable murder thirst letter, is he a (300k) product
of Annapolis.?? :O)
It costs around $250,000 to finance a four year academy
stint...50,000 for ROTC...25,000 for OCS as of 13 years
ago ( 1994 Time magazine article)

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» RE: cheating at service academies Posted by: MartianBachelor
WAR APOLOGIST MASQUERADING AS PEACENIK
Posted by: Just Curious on Mar 5, 2007 6:48 AM   
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When will people around here stop making a distinction between the politicians/generals who order the killing, rape, murder and mutilation of countless men, women and children in this thing we call 'war' and the motherf***ers who are actually doing the killing (i.e. 'our boys').
This dichotomy between the good but misguided German soldier (for which read American G.I/British 'Tommy') on the one hand, and the evil, irredeemably bad Nazi on the other (George Bush, Tony Blair, et al) is FALSE! Everyone involved in the prosecution of this unjust and immoral war from the highest ranking general to the lowest ranking 'grunt' is, prima facie, a WAR CRIMINAL. Get that all? A WAR CRIMINAL!
The idea that good 'ole American soldiers are somehow victims too ("But we were lied to too, ya know; Joseph Goebbels [George Bush, Tony Blair] told us that the 'elders of Zion' had weapons of mass-destruction that they could use in 45 minutes. Did not our Dear leader Adolf himself tell us that the evil empire of Soviet bolshevism was hell-bent on world domination and that if we did'nt invade the Soviet Union and level Stalingrad (Falluja) to the ground pronto and kill 20+ million Russians in the process (99% of whom were regrettable but unavoidable 'collateral damage' or were killed by mysterious 'acts of God' - earthquakes, lightning, famine , that sort of thing, nothing to do with us) they were going to swallow us up whole.
I don't buy it and neither should you! Stop trying to play the 'good American making the best of a bad job, lied to by his leaders but a nice guy really' card. American and British soldiers are the jackbooted 'business end' of the Western war machine that has being destroying, nazi-fashion, entire people and they way of life for 5 centuries and continues to do so still - with impunity I may add.
Your soldiers are not heroes valiently defending Western civilization against barbarian hordes - lied to, used and abused by nasty, wicked politicians but otherwise nice, moral and upstanding citizens of a Glorious Republic. They are MURDERERS, RAPISTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN and DESTROYERS OF CULTURE. Indeed, ENEMIES OF HUMANITY itself.

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