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There's Not a Dime's Worth of Difference Between Hillary and Obama on Iraq
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Barack Obama will need another layer of Teflon if he intends to continue talking mush on Iraq withdrawal. Speaking on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, Rep. Maxine Waters warned that she and other leaders of the 75-member Out of Iraq Congressional Caucus will soon journey to early Democratic primary states to determine "who is nuancing and tip-toeing" around the issue. Asked directly if she were referring to frontrunners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Waters said "they both have to prove themselves." There isn't a dime's worth of difference between Senators Obama and Clinton on the war -- both harp on the Bush regime's "mistakes" and mishandling of the nearly four-year-long carnage, while twisting like contortionists on the question of when and how the U.S. will leave Iraq. Both call for "troop caps" to, in Obama's words "bring this war to a responsible end" -- "responsible" being the escape clause that allows him to fudge the terms of exit. Clinton's "cap" include pressures on Baghdad to meet certain, amorphous "conditions" or lose undefined amounts of U.S. financial support. Neither senator threatens the war's author, Bush, with a cutoff of funds -- just a "cap" on a troop escalation that is already underway.
Barack is trickier than Hillary. In December, Obama told a corporate foreign policy conference he favors "a phased redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq on a timetable that would begin in four to six months.... Such a timetable may not need to begin in 2007, but begin it must." Thus, Obama mouths the words "redeployment" and "timetable" -- throwing in "must" for masculine effect - while leaving in limbo the date for this fantasy schedule to commence; he doesn't even insist that the four to six month countdown start sometime this year.
"Barack is trickier than Hillary."
"The way to stop this war is to stop funding this war," Rep. Waters told CNN. The Black California congresswoman and other leaders of the Out of Iraq Caucus, more than a third of whose members are African Americans, are pushing legislation "that would wind us out of Iraq in six months."
Out -- not "on the way out." Out.
The "Bring Our Troops Home and Sovereignty of Iraq Restoration Act," introduced last week by Rep. Lynn Woolsey and fellow Out of Iraq Caucus founders Waters and Barbara Lee, leaves no room for Clinton-Obama-esque wiggling.
"The Congress has already appropriated funding that will support our troops and keep this occupation going for at least another six months. That funding instead should be used to finance an aggressive withdrawal plan that brings our troops home to their families," said Woolsey. "Our bill would do exactly that." Iraq War is a Black Issue
Five of the Woolsey-Waters-Lee measure's original co- sponsors are Black. Twenty-six of the 42 members of the Congressional Black Caucus - 62 percent - are also part of the Out of Iraq Caucus. African Americans have been overwhelmingly opposed to the war since before the invasion. In the run-up to "Shock and Awe," pollsters from the Zogby organization found that only seven percent of Blacks favored war if it would result in the deaths of "thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians."
Since the invasion, six hundred thousand Iraqis have disappeared from the face of the Earth.
Black America is a peace bloc, for the best historical and contemporary reasons. Having been lied about for generations, African Americans are always skeptical of the veracity of those in power. Understanding full well that the racist justifications for colonialism and war are the same rationales that underpinned slavery and Jim Crow, African Americans reject U.S. adventurism in the non-European world. And, as the group that has waited more than forty years for a real War on Poverty and Marshal Plan for the Cities to materialize, Blacks are painfully aware of where the nation's treasure is invested: war.
"We want the money directed towards domestic needs."
"I am absolutely prepared to not support more money for this war," said Rep. Waters. "There is plenty of money in the pipeline" to fund a withdrawal. "We want the money... directed towards domestic needs."
At $8.4 billion dollars per month, money spent on the Iraq war could fund a renaissance of urban America and the nation's infrastructure, creating real jobs anchoring real families in an economy that is not fueled by the U.S. weapons of mass destruction industry. Every lawmaker and candidate that employs "nuancing and tip-toeing" to avoid bringing the Iraq war to a quick and definitive end, is objectively opposed to domestic American renewal -- and to world peace.
Democratic primary voters will not speak for a year - all the chattering to date comes from corporate pundits, working their horse-race sheets. However, Barack Obama's cynical maneuvering presents a serious problem for the Black political class, most of whom are anti-war, as are their constituents. Where will they stand, in the face of corporate media-generated Obama mania -- when the presidential candidate is determined to stand nowhere at all?
Maxine Waters has made her choice. Her next stop is the January 27 "Peace March on Washington," expected to draw as many as half a million people. After that, "I'm going to work on Katrina. ..."
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jan 26, 2007 3:08 AM
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Posted by: robchapman on Jan 26, 2007 3:48 AM
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Continuing resistance to the war is imperative. In my view, it is ever more important to reach out to people who changed their minds from supporting to opposing the Iraq War, cultivating their support and finding out their concerns.
Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY
n. Levin: Cheney ‘off the wall’ and ‘not vice-presidential’
Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said Thursday that Vice President Dick Cheney was "off the wall" and "not vice-presidential" in telling CNN that congressional resolutions objecting to the imminent commitment of 21,500 more troops in Iraq would not stop the Bush administration from moving forward.
Conservative bloggers have initiated a pledge to deny campaign funds to Republicans who vote against President Bush’s plan to send an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq.
Led by Townhall’s Hugh Hewitt, “The NRSC Pledge” states that if the Senate passes any resolution critical of the troop increase, donors would not contribute to any Republican senator who voted for the resolution. They also would not contribute to the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) absent a commitment from Chairman John Ensign (R-Nev.) to not spend any committee money on those senators who are up in 2008.
As of Thursday afternoon, it had nearly 10,000 signatories.
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Posted by: Wexler on Jan 26, 2007 3:57 AM
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In the tradition of "triangulation", Obama and H. Clinton are trying to be tepid rather than hot or cold. This leads one to conclude that when you strip away their rhetoric and the public image they cultivate, underneath you find a calculating political animal whose main calculation is how to get elected.
Unfortunately for America, we have progressed past the point in our Iraq crisis where electability calculations are appropriate. Our situation is passing through "critical" to "emergency". What we need now is less politiking and more statesmanship. (Of course, that's what we've always needed).
Hats off to Maxine Waters and those who have joined her for their courage to say what the rest of them cannot.
W. W. Wexler
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Posted by: robchapman on Jan 26, 2007 4:00 AM
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Clinton in particular has been consistently both critical to the Invasion and Occupation and determined to end the conflict without injuring American security interests.
We got into Iraq because of the us vs. them, simplistic mentality of conflict on the Right.
It would be a shame if an us vs. them, simplistic attitude of resistance on the left prolongs our involvement.
Public support for Bush and for the conflict has fallen precipitously; half of the electorate have changed their minds about the war and President Bush.
It is time for the anti war movement to accept its success and start listening to the people who changed their minds and to work with them in the next phase of the struggle: stopping the surge, getting out of Iraq and beginning a War on Terror.
Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY
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Posted by: murfcat on Jan 26, 2007 6:22 AM
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We need to start NOW with an intensive effort to get us off middle eastern oil. Oil and the belief of many that we need to protect Israel and fight their battles are the only reasons we are so heavily involved in that area. I refuse to believe that a country which went from no space program to putting people on the moon in 12 years at a time when technology was primitive compared to what we have now cannot end its addiction to middle eastern oil in a relatively short time.
Any politician who advocates for our continued invlovement in the affairs of the middle east is advocating for continued threats to our security and should be prosecuted under the unPATRIOT Act which many of them advocated and voted for.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 26, 2007 7:22 AM
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Of course, when you realize that the majority of our politicians' waking hours are spent raising money for their next election cycle – often by kissing a lot of unsavory butts – is it any wonder real thinkers are not drawn to the political process? We are on a downward spiral, consisting of ever more inaction and malfeasance the public will tolerate from politicians, and ever fewer real solutions those politicians will bother to deliver. We have become a nation of show business, where appearance is everything and substance is often ignored.
It has been said that a population gets the government it deserves, so we'd better keep our eyes glued to "American Idol" or "WWF Wrestling," and not look too closely at ourselves in the mirror, either.
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Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Jan 26, 2007 7:28 AM
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I was recently talking to someone who dealt with the Mafia in the 1970's and he said even loansharks did not have such high interest rates back then. Thanks to our corporate whores in Congress, companies like First National Bank of Omaha have become legalized loansharks.
The Dems refuse to debate the Greens. I saw plenty of news in the alternative media about how Greens just were not allowed on the stage in October to offer their views and debate the corporate-sponsored Dems. The Dems fear them and rightly so. If their message were to reach a mass audience, people would be quick to leave this traitor-to-the-working people party.
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Posted by: ScottP on Jan 26, 2007 8:28 AM
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Buyer beware!
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Posted by: JCR on Jan 26, 2007 8:33 AM
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"then it surdenly shows how low America in the 21's century has gotten!"
Gotta love dipshits like you calling people losers while demonstrating the spelling capacity of an 8-year-old. LOL!
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Posted by: Arvy on Jan 26, 2007 9:27 AM
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Note the last sentence: “It’s about time we stop listening…”
So, it’s “about time”? Is that because most of the heavy work in Iraq has already been done?
I think, given that the Democratic and Republican parties are basically just alternative managers of the same (corporate) system then it’s reasonable to assume that both parties have their collective eye on the control of Iraqi oil.
And Iranian oil.
And African… etc.
If you take the American system as a whole, then one hand (dems) realise that the other hand (repubs) are going to make a grab for foreign resources in a gung-ho, unilateralist, agressive, illegal way. This suits the dems as the repubs become the scape-goat, so by the time the dems get back into the white house they find themselves in control of Iraqi oil without any of the blame or dirt attached to themselves.
In short, America “wins” (if you define winning as stealing!).
There are no good guys or bad guys, just national interests. Is this national interest morally justified? If not, then change the whole system (I know, it’s easy to say!). I don’t think a change of party will make much difference; maybe only in style.
I hope I’m wrong but how many times have we pinned hopes on a new government only to see them morph into their opposite once they get into power?
We’ve already been warned that the Cold Wa…sorry, the “War on Terror” will last another 50 years. A statement recently parroted by a cabinet minister here in the UK, John Reid (a kind of ‘Rumsfeld-lite’), someone who used to be a socialist. We (pinko-liberals) danced when Thatcher was put out of power, followed a few years later by her government. Tony Blair promised that his government would be “whiter-than-white” as a contrast to the previous Conservative sleaze-bags but ask most people in the UK today and you’ll find that he’s seen as being sleazier than they ever were!
I am beginning to feel that Anarchy is the way forward since it offers order without government / power systems; (yes, that’s the classic definition of anarchy - not the new one which defines it as smashing the windows of a McDonalds!) Remeber: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Posted by: GenErik on Jan 26, 2007 9:40 AM
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The fact that the democrats are not pressing this issue at a time that seems ideal is very suspicious to me and if these likely candidates can't step up and get things done then in my mind they would not make worthy presidents.
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Posted by: rwa on Jan 26, 2007 9:42 AM
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If you watched freshman Virginia Sen. Jim Webb deliver the Democratic response to Bush’s State of the Union speech, you witnessed something historic -- a Democrat on national TV unabashedly ripping into six years of Bush rule for an uninterrupted 10 minutes. With no O’Reilly or Hannity to disrupt or out-shout him. Webb offered a populist, anti-corporate stand on economics and a blunt attack on Bush for “recklessly” dragging our country into the Iraq war -- a sharply-worded address that must have startled millions of TV viewers accustomed to Democrat vacillation. It was the kind of stirring appeal, both progressive and patriotic, that could win over voters at election time -- including swing voters, NASCAR dads, soccer moms, even Republican leaners. The new Senator -- a novelist and former Secretary of the Navy -- reportedly discarded the speech handed him by Democratic leaders, and wrote his own. But Webb’s speech was not just a rebuttal to Bush. It was also a pointed response to the tepid pablum that comes out of the mouths of mainstream media-anointed Democratic presidential candidates: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama...
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 26, 2007 9:49 AM
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& that's the price of getting me, and many others, back to the Democratic party.
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 26, 2007 9:50 AM
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BTW, BTW, BTW...that's all folks.... :)
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 26, 2007 9:51 AM
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To elaborate, Clinton has better hair, but Obama ia taller and looks better in a bathing suit.
What? Policy?
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Another ritual within the ritual is lining up Jewish support, and this year is no different. Some candidates are acting immediately: This month, US Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) plucked Jay Zeidman, President Bush's popular Jewish outreach official, to lead his Jewish campaign.
Burning Issues #22: Will candidates' Iraq stance affect coming crisis with Iran?
Sometimes it's even sooner than immediately: For the past two years, Ann Lewis, who has been prominent in Jewish causes since she served as the Clinton administration's deputy communications director, has been sounding out Jewish support for Clinton's wife, US Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
Here's a glance at the candidates and where they stand on issues of concerns to the Jewish people.
The Democrats
US Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
You probably won't hear all about Clinton's Jewish step-grandfather this time around. That's because she won't need to grab at Jewish straws after six years of support for Jewish causes that activists across the spectrum say is stellar...
She won solidly that year, but with less-than-enthusiastic Jewish support. By 2006, however, Jewish support for Clinton was overwhelming and spanned the religious spectrum. Much of the money she has raised - some analysts expect her to bring in $500 million by election time - has come from Jewish donors.
Pro-Israel lobbyists say Clinton's voting record on issues related to funding for Israel and isolating its enemies, including Iran and Syria, has been top notch, and she has visited the country multiple times since becoming a senator...
US Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill)
... Obama has cultivated a solidly pro-Israel record, and he visited the Jewish state last year. He has developed close ties with Chicago's Jewish community, and some of its major donors backed him among more than a dozen candidates - some Jewish - in the 2004 primaries.
Sen. John Edwards
The appearance by the former Democratic senator from North Carolina at last year's American Israel Public Affairs Committee's policy forum was the first substantial sign that he was considering another run for the White House ...
He drew loud applause when he endorsed AIPAC's trademark issue: isolating Iran as long as it resists nuclear transparence.
"For years I have argued that the United States has not been doing enough to deal with the growing threat in Iran," he said. "While we've talked about the dangers of nuclear terrorism, we've largely stood on the sidelines as the problems got worse. I believe that for far too long, we've abdicated our responsibility to deal with the Iranian threat to the Europeans."
Such talk has helped draw major Jewish donors to Edwards' campaign...
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 26, 2007 11:23 AM
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Nothing like DLC DINOs.
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In 2006 we targeted the NeoCons. In 2008 we are coming after Republicans in Democratic clothing.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Jan 26, 2007 1:32 PM
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This is the first place that I've ever really encountered open racism. No, I'm serious. And I grew up going to a very, very Caucasian school, and live in a very wealthy neighborhood.
This site made me shake my head before, but now it's just rife with stupidity, tinhat lovers, and crackpot radicals.
Thanks for nothing, Alternet :P
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Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 26, 2007 4:34 PM
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What fool would put his A$$ on the line to protect George Bush and his creepy friends from what they so richly deserve???!
Let's give the terrorists what they REAllY want -- pack up George Bush & Company and turn them over to the terrorists to do with whatever makes them happy -- Talk about reality TV!!
I bet within a week gas would drop to 30 cents a gallon and the world would hail us as heroes!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Jan 26, 2007 5:11 PM
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Both supported the Iraq war.
Both do not really want it to end.
Both support the idea of attacking Iran. With nukes.
Both supported the destruction of Lebanon.
Both support Israel's continued slow-motion genocide in Palestine.
Both support attacking Syria.
Both wil do anything the Likudniks, here and in Israel, want.
Both will do nothing to bring peace to the region.
Both are complete phonies, heartless and useless.
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» Al Gore for 2008!!
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» Al Sharpton in 2008!!!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Jan 26, 2007 5:29 PM
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Well, I give up, but thanks anyway for the intelligent post from... South Africa?
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» Part right; mostly wrong.
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» I think you meant to say, "Bush seems to be a power hungry..."
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 27, 2007 12:17 AM
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I couldn't find a Contact Us link for alternet but I wrote a blistering blog on Hillary Clinton's feedback post section. She is nothing but a carpetbagger masquerading as a pseudo-liberal yet she is totally right wing and conservative in her political beliefs now.
If Hillary gets the nomination for President by the Dems I seriously doubt she could beat even a horrible candidate like Guiliani or McCain. Conservatives and Liberals alike loathe Hillary so why the fuck is alternet accepting advertising money from her.
I am really totally disgusted with alternet.
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» More Idiotic Racist Crap!!!
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» It's known as SARCASM
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» Pull Out and See?
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Posted by: bassman on Jan 27, 2007 8:57 AM
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YES:
Dodd - Aye
Kerry - Aye
Feingold - Aye
Boxer - Aye
Obama - Aye
Menedez - Aye
I don't see Hillary's name on this list. I guess Alternet doesn't really care about the facts. Ask anyone from Illinois, Senator Obama deserves much more respect than you people are willing to give. Quit lying!!!
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» Obama Is A Moderate Phoney!! Al Sharpton Is The Real Deal!! You Should Support Him!!
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Posted by: disgusted on Jan 27, 2007 1:49 PM
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GOD BLESS AMERIKA
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However the legacy of slavery unfortunately has led to many Black Americans looking to Washington for the solution of remaining problems caused by segregation and even the slavery legacy. The desire of Ms. Waters and other African American congresspeople to use the vast sums spent on Iraq on federal domestic programs is troubling. The Feds don't educate, they don't patrol the streets, they dont employ the doctors that serve the African American community. Nor should the Feds take over these functions. African Americans have had enough of paternalism, W Knows Best In Iraq just the latest example.
Significant middle class taxcuts, including payroll tax cuts as well as significant tax credits for summer camps, after school activities and job training will ensure more bang for the buck than more Great Society paper pushers telling black people what to do.
Enough of LBJ and Wtype Texas plutocrats deciding what's best for African Americans. Just give hard working African Americans back their own money now forcibly seized by the IRS and they know what to do with it.
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On Anniversary of Iraq Invasion, Time to Rethink Anti-War Activism
The Timing Is Ripe for Obama to Make Demands on Israel to Settle for Peace
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