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Al Qaeda's Godfather

By Rolf Potts, The Believer. Posted January 11, 2007.


The inspiration behind much of today's violent jihadi culture was a shockingly dopey tourist.
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With the global rise of political Islamism, many pundits have recently begun paying closer attention to the writings of Egyptian scholar and Muslim Brotherhood publicist Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), whose radical Milestones and thirty-volume In the Shade of the Koran are said to be masterpieces of jihadist thought and persuasion. These writings, which some analysts consider to be an ideological influence on violent Islamist movements such as al-Qaeda, contain an uncompromising anti-Western slant that Qutb supports with observations from his travel experiences in the United States.

In these classic jihadist works, Qutb is never all that specific about how and where he went about assembling his presumed expertise on American culture, but biographers note that he spent a majority of his 1948-50 U.S. sojourn as a scholarship student at Colorado State College of Education, in the high-plains town of Greeley. Moreover, not long after his return to Egypt from the United States, Qutb attempted to sum up his expatriate experience in "The America I Have Seen," a short travel memoir that appeared in the November 1951 issue of Egypt's Al-Risala magazine.

As travel reportage, "The America I Have Seen" doesn't exactly provide the reader with a vicarious window into living in the United States. Structured as a series of short, thematic arguments, Qutb's essay primarily attempts to prove that America--despite its great wealth and scientific genius--suffers from a corrosive moral and spiritual primitiveness. This thesis might have carried some rhetorical weight had Qutb backed it up with evidence from his own experiences, but--oddly--the Egyptian traveler didn't have many direct encounters worth sharing. Of the fifty-four brief sections in "The America I Have Seen," only eight allude to specific real-life observations; the other sections consist of broad generalizations and secondhand anecdotes. Perhaps his most memorable direct recollection is described as follows:

In summary, anything that requires a touch of elegance is not for the American, even haircuts! For there was not one instance in which I had a haircut when I did not return home to even with my own hands what the barber had wrought, and fix what the barber had ruined with his awful taste.
Qutb's exasperation with American barbers humanizes him in an unexpected way: In spite of his relentless didacticism, we realize that our skeptical Egyptian exchange student was really just a querulous sojourner in an unfamiliar land, compulsively judging everything he saw through the rosy, idealized lens of his home culture.

Indeed, biographers have implied that Qutb's experience in the United States is what convinced him to reject Western values, but "The America I Have Seen" is clearly the memoir of a man who traveled to America seeking evidence for conclusions he'd drawn before he ever left Egypt. Never deviating from the Muslim fundamentalist assumptions he set forth in Social Justice in Islam (written before he visited the U.S. and published in 1949), Qutb's travel essay reflects the stereotyped sentiment--commonly encouraged by the Egyptian prejudices of his day--that America's material culture was morally inferior to the spiritual civilization of the Arab world. In fact, were one to strip the political cloaking from his essay, it's apparent that Qutb's experience of America was characterized by an oddly familiar combination of superficial experiences, paranoid conjectures, and passive culture shock.

In other words, before Qutb returned to Egypt to write his most influential and incendiary Islamist treatises (for which he was ultimately hanged by Egyptian president Gamal Nasser in 1966), the man who would one day influence terrorists passed his time in America as the most banal of interlopers: a tourist.

The anthropological and sociological study of tourism is a fairly recent phenomenon. Fifty years ago, social scientists largely regarded tourists as irritating aberrations in what were otherwise "pure" research environments. As anthropologist Erve Chambers notes in his 2000 book Native Tours, "so long as the idea of culture remained bound in place and time… phenomena such as tourism could rarely be viewed as more than an unwelcome intrusion upon the neat categories and orderly distinctions with which anthropologists were wrestling."

This notion began to change in the 1970s, when sociologist Dean MacCannell published The Tourist: A New Theory of the Leisure Class (1976), and anthropologist Valene L. Smith edited an anthology entitled Hosts and Guests: The Anthropology of Tourism (1977). Both books examined the complex social and cultural aspects of travel, and treated tourism as a historically valid expression of human behavior and society. Two decades later, when globalization became a buzzword and cross-cultural travel began to take on new meanings, academic interest in tourist behavior intensified even more.

To a large extent, these studies of tourism explored the ways in which the traveler brings his home culture and assumptions with him. In The Tourist Gaze: Leisure and Travel in Contemporary Societies (1990), for example, sociologist John Urry quotes scholar Jonathan Culler, who noted that tourists are "semioticians reading the landscape for signifiers of certain pre-established notions." Urry goes on to assert that travel behaviors, in the context of displacement, have much to reveal about the prejudices of one's home society. Similarly, in Tourism: Between Place and Performance (2002), editors Simon Coleman and Mike Crang note that the Western tourist actively seeks to root himself in certain habits and manifestations of home, even as he travels. Away from his home, the traveler is nonetheless beholden to it psychically.

However, while many of these tourism studies broke new academic ground, they invariably focused on the modern conception of home, and the one-way impacts of Western tourism on developing cultures. Often using the lens of Marxism or postcolonialism to critique their tourist subjects, many of these researchers seemed to be operating on the weirdly colonialist assumption that individuals from poorer countries were not also traveling abroad and having their own "tourist" experiences. The superficiality of middle-class American tourists exploring the East was analyzed in depth, but few scholars considered the possibility that Easterners might be having similarly superficial experiences as they traveled to America for study, work, and (occasionally) recreation.

Qutb's "The America I Have Seen" first appeared in English in 2000, as part of an anthology entitled America in an Arab Mirror: Images of America in Arabic Travel Literature. Edited by Kamal Abdel-Malek, this collection translates and showcases a century's worth of essays originally written in Arabic by Egyptian, Palestinian, Moroccan, Lebanese, and Syrian travelers. Containing a wide range of positive and negative views on the United States, one strength of the anthology is that it provides an interesting perspective on what Arabs thought about America in decades past, well before the rift between East and West became a daily media obsession.

The charm of the essays in America in an Arab Mirror is not that Arab travelers see the world in a unique way, but that they can be just as credulous, self-absorbed, and touristically dorky as their American counterparts. For example, many writers in the Arab anthology echoed the standard tourist complaints with unfamiliar food, including Egyptian author Jadhibiyya Sidqi, who spends almost two pages of her 1962 memoir America and I outlining her distaste for salad dressing. Elsewhere, reporter Muhammad Hasan al-Alfi's 1989 essay "America: The Jeans and the Switchblade" expresses shock at the rituals of a "satanic celebration"--which might have been shocking indeed were he not describing Halloween festivities in Minnesota.

Moreover, some encounters described by the Arab travelers sound as if they could be case studies from tourism sociology textbooks. In the 1982 travel narrative "America: Paradise and Hellfire," journalist Adil Hammuda is so obsessed with New York's violent reputation that he inflates a seemingly benign encounter with an airport panhandler into a near-death experience. "[He] just sold me my life for only ten dollars," Hammuda declares. "Everything is expensive in New York, everything, that is, except human life… As a stranger in New York you may be assaulted, torn apart, even killed for no reason." Scholar Dean MacCannell describes this exact same sentiment in The Tourist. "Couples from the Midwest who visit Manhattan now leave a little disappointed if they do not chance to witness and remark on some of its famous street crime," he writes. "One is reminded that staged 'holdups' are a staple motif in Wild West tourism."

Of course, not all of the Arab travelers in Abdel-Malek's anthology are caricatures of touristic awkwardness. As is the case in Western travel circles, many of the Arab sojourners are perceptive, self-aware, and willing to question their own cultural assumptions. Some even acknowledge their own analytical limitations as tourists. "[W]hat I saw… pales in comparison to what I have not seen," reports agriculturalist Muhammad Labib al-Batanuni in his 1930 essay "The Trip to America." "One can view many things in a hurry and not know exactly which to write about and which to ignore. As the classical Arab poet puts it: 'Many were the gazelles that passed by the hunter / But he was unable to decide which to catch.'" Elsewhere, Egyptian scholar Zaki Najib Mahmud attempts to refute Arab prejudices in his 1955 travelogue "My Days in America": "I am amazed that these people are known for leading materialistic lives while we Egyptians consider ourselves spiritual," he writes. "The 'Americans' isn't just a meaningless term, they are human beings. If you wish to utter anything against them, keep silent until you have met individuals from amongst them…"

Sayyid Qutb's analysis of America is not nearly so generous. A primary case in point would be his appraisal of American sexuality, which he finds primitive and debauched. To this day, Qutb's biographers take these conclusions at face value, with some Muslim analysts going so far as to insist that Qutb found the U.S. a place of "widespread sexual anarchy."

The setting that so scandalized Qutb, however, was not a place of hippie-era love-ins or disco-era cocaine orgies, but Truman-era conservatism. Greeley, Colorado in 1949 was a dry town, with an abundance of churches and not a single bar. Still, our Egyptian traveler was able to locate a den of licentiousness in none other than a church sock hop. "And they danced to the tunes of the gramophone," Qutb writes, "and the dance floor was replete with tapping feet, enticing legs, arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire." Qutb then goes on to describe--without alluding to a conversation with any girl in particular--American girls' knowledge that "seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs and she shows all this and does not hide it."

As these passages suggest, Qutb was content to play the role of voyeur during his time in America, interpreting events not as they might have been understood by the Americans who lived them, but as they sparked his fevered and pious imagination. Jazz was "music that the savage bushmen created to satisfy their primitive desires"; football fans were "enthralled with the flowing blood and crushed limbs, crying loudly, everyone cheering for his team"; sexual choice was "a gripping slavery and a relapse to the first primitive levels." American haircuts were a disgrace, and the practices of salting watermelon and drinking unsweetened tea (both unknown in Egypt) were revelatory signifiers of cultural stupidity.

Indeed, by the end of "The America I Have Seen," Qutb comes off sounding less like a nascent Muslim Marx than the Arab equivalent of a floral-shirted American account executive demanding "freedom fries" on the French Riviera.

In some instances, it's tempting to point out how the essays collected in America in an Arab Mirror seem to prophetically allude to the events of 9/11, or the current Iraq war. In the 1946 essay "The Flying Sphinx," for instance, Egyptian short-story writer Mahmud Taymur expresses both awe and disgust at the skyscrapers of New York. "They are eloquent in expressing the inherent inferiority complex in the American psyche," he writes, "which prompts this young rising nation that has been blessed with resources, knowledge, and an undisputed position among nations, to cry out to the world: 'Look at me, I am the greatest one of all!'" Forty years later, Palestinian intellectual Yusuf al-Hasan appears to predict the workings of the current Bush administration in a 1986 essay called "The Washington Memoirs":
Americans don't understand the workings of history, especially when they deal with foreign affairs. … If the situation abroad affects American comfort and pockets, then America interferes; it doesn't look for the reasons that led to that bad situation but seeks to punish and to "take an immediate action," just like the cowboy who lives in a world in which only the fastest to pull his gun survives.… The American doesn't really care about the bloodletting of hundreds of people in the Arabian Gulf, nor the ruin of the economic infrastructure and national wealth of countries in the region. His only concern is to safeguard the flow of oil. That is all.
For the most part, however, the writing in America in an Arab Mirror does not prophesy so much as it reveals the perceptions and prejudices of Arab travelers trying to decipher a strange land for their home audience. In essay after essay, popular Arab stereotypes about America--including sexual promiscuity, ostentatious wealth, and the impersonality of Western life--are affirmed, clarified, or refuted according to the sensibilities of the different writers. Naturally, a collection of essays by Easterners presuming to reveal the mysteries of the Occident to other Easterners invites an interesting literary comparison--and anthology editor Abdel-Malek says as much in the preface. "A question that was raised by a Princeton Arabist after one of my talks on the topic," he writes, "was whether Arab writings on America could be regarded as a case of Occidentalism, a counter-Orientalism of sorts. It is an important question and I leave it to the reader to devise his or her own answer to it after reading this anthology."

Not long after Abdel-Malek wrote this, Ian Buruma and Avishai Margalit provided a formal examination of Occidentalism in their eponymous 2002 New York Review of Books essay, which outlined Eastern anti-liberal stereotypes about the West. According to Buruma and Margalit, the Occidentalist harbors "a deep hatred of the City, that is to say, everything represented by urban civilization: commerce, mixed populations, artistic freedom, sexual license, scientific pursuits, leisure, personal safety, wealth, and its usual concomitant, power." To the Occidentalist, America is mechanically efficient, but lacking in soul; flashy, but culturally mediocre; rational, but devoid of feeling; comfortable, but cowardly.

In the case of Sayyid Qutb, Buruma and Margalit's template fits seamlessly. Almost all the Occidentalist bases are neatly covered in "The America I Have Seen," including sweeping statements on morality ("the matter of morals and rights are an illusion in the conscience of the American," writes Qutb; "he cannot taste it"), technology ("nothing existed in them besides the crude power of the mind and the overwhelming lust for sensual pleasure"), and religion ("there is no one further than the American from appreciating the spirituality of religion"). Indeed, at times "The America I Have Seen" can read like an instructional Ur-text on Occidentalist rhetoric.

What is most striking about Qutb's essay, however, is not that it conforms to the notions of Occidentalism, but that its language would easily be considered Orientalist were it not originally composed for an "Oriental" audience. According to Edward Said, Orientalist writing reinforces European prejudices by presuming to speak with authority on behalf of the Orient and the people who live there--often using exaggerated and half-understood examples to represent the whole of society. "[P]eople, places, and experiences can always be described by a book," Said writes, "so much so that the book (or text) acquires a greater authority, and use, even than the actuality it describes."

Similarly, while Said objects to Western scholars who imply that life is cheap and death a spectacle in the Orient, Qutb makes his own misleading inferences about life and death in "The America I Have Seen." Specifically, Qutb expresses shock at the fact that, in times of death, Americans are not as outwardly expressive of their sorrow as are Egyptians. Of course Qutb doesn't cloak his observations in such neutral terms, because he doesn't consider Western funeral practices to be a cultural difference as much as a telltale failure of American emotion. Using three examples (two of which are secondhand anecdotes, one of which is drawn from an overheard snippet of conversation), Qutb seeks to reveal presumed American indifference in the face of death by alluding to the seeming cheerfulness of a wake, as well as a widow who is being encouraged to resume her social activities after the death of her husband, and another woman who expresses relief at the security of her late husband's life insurance payments.

Instead of analyzing these examples (which themselves are already exaggerated by our author's breathless reportage), Qutb transitions directly into a memory from his youth in Egypt, when he witnessed his chickens' seeming sorrow when one of their number was slaughtered in front of them. "It was an emotional surprise for everyone who had been in the house," Qutb writes soberly. "A surprise unexpected from birds as low on the evolutionary scale as these chickens." The clumsy inference here is that--for all their vaunted technology and progress--Americans are civilizationally inferior to poultry.

In the decades since Sayyid Qutb's death, the ideas he espoused (including a utopian view of sharia law, an inflexible opposition to Western culture and values, and the advocacy of Islamic theocracy as the only legitimate state) have been combined with puritanical Saudi Wahhabist ideals to influence the rise of militant groups such as Islamic Jihad and al-Qaeda. Scholars don't agree on whether or not Qutb would have approved of al-Qaeda's tactics, but it's safe to conclude that he shared their dream of toppling secular governments and setting up theocratic, anti-Western regimes across the Muslim world.

However, considering that Qutb's rejection of Western values and modernity was informed by such a willfully cartoonish misinterpretation of American culture, it's natural to wonder how his beliefs might have been tempered had he been a more engaged traveler.

In many ways, Qutb's disgust with all things American during his Colorado stint was typical of someone undergoing culture shock, which anthropologist Kalervo Oberg defined as rejection of a host country based upon frustration and anxiety in the face of the unfamiliar. Under such stressful circumstances, the traveler attaches heightened importance to his home culture. "All difficulties and problems [back home] are forgotten and only the good things… are remembered," wrote Oberg in a 1960 article for Practical Anthropology. "Instead of trying to account for conditions as they are through an honest analysis of the actual conditions and the historical circumstances which have created them, you talk as if the difficulties you experience are more or less created by the people of the host country for your special discomfort."

In addition to identifying the symptoms of culture shock, Oberg also suggested remedies:
An objective treatment of your cultural background and that of your new environment is [important] for understanding culture shock.… Once you realize that your trouble is due to your own lack of understanding of other people's cultural background and your own lack of the means of communication rather than the hostility of an alien environment, you also realize that you yourself can gain this understanding and these means of communication.
To retroactively apply this perspective to Qutb's experience, however, is to presume an open-mindedness that he simply did not possess.

Had Edward Said referenced Qutb's travel essay in Orientalism (or used similarly insidious outtakes from other Eastern writers) his treatise might well have been a more balanced analysis of how people respond to Otherness. Said himself hints at this notion early on in his book, asserting that it is "perfectly natural for the human mind to resist the assault on it of untreated strangeness; therefore cultures have always been inclined to impose complete transformations on other cultures, receiving these other cultures not as they are but as, for the benefit of the receiver, they ought to be."

In reality, what has come to be understood as an "Orientalist" perspective is invariably the opinion of a far-from-home traveler, Western or Eastern, who comes into contact with a limited number of people; someone who can't fully understand his surroundings, and who compulsively judges his host culture by the standards of his own.

By coming to America and seeing only what he'd already formulated in his mind, Sayyid Qutb didn't merely provide a prudish Islamist role model for 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta; he proved that cultural self-absorption is an ecumenical tourist vice, capable of traveling the globe in both directions.

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Rolf Potts is the author of Vagabonding (Random House, 2003). His essays have appeared in Salon, Slate, National Geographic Traveler, and the 2000 and 2006 editions of The Best American Travel Writing.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 11, 2007 2:06 AM   
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We know what ugly americans are like; now we know what ugly egyptians are like.

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» RE: know Posted by: Xynyx
He's right about the haircuts.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 11, 2007 3:20 AM   
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The other dude's not far off about NYC in the 80s. If you weren't mugged, pickpocketed, or panhandled, the overpriced food, transportation, etc. would get you. Groups of punks and nut-jobs would be fighting on streetcorners and everyone would just walk by as if they were invisible. You couldn't walk two blocks in Midtown without a sales pitch from a pusher. I doubt it's much different now, but it was definitely like that back then.

And it's not a huge revelation that dumb tourists come from places besides the US. Isn't that what Borat is all about?

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» RE: He's right about the haircuts. Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
Who's REALLY to blame for terrorism: CO Barbers
Posted by: kwalla on Jan 11, 2007 4:16 AM   
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I've long secretly suspected it.

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» Soccer riots? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Witness: Raider Nation Posted by: eddie torres
Army brat anthropology
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Jan 11, 2007 6:09 AM   
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I probably lived in twenty houses by the time I graduated from high school. From time to time I would encounter someone that I had known years earlier in some far away place. Someone I knew in Taiwan showed up in Belgium, for example.

There was a near-ritual among kids. Like the frustrated victim of culture shock in this article, we would regale each other with stories about the wonderful place we last inhabited, and rail about the lousiness of the current locale. Inevitably, though, some of us would end up in one of those fabled spots - only to find that the kids regaled each other with stories about how wonderful some of those other places were - and how lousy this one is.

None the less, we usually managed to have great experiences in each of those places, and only leave with a heavy heart, ready to begin anew the longing for the last place and loathing for the current. I spotted this trend early enough, but that wasn't enough to break it. There was after all, an adjustment to make with each move.

The epiphany came, though, with the realization during puberty, that this also afforded numerous opportunities to re-invent myself and arrive at each new spot a little older, wiser and more experienced, if you will. A chance to escape aspects of the role I to which I was consigned in the social setting of the previous school. A chance to do it differently with people who didn't know me.

By the time we arrived in France, I was enthralled within days, and practically shook my head at the kids who were still griping and wishing they could go back to wherever. One kid longed for a New Jersey 7-Eleven and lime slurpies.

Eventually I had to tell people I was from the US, and some thought I was making it up. I even did ten weeks at a scholl where I was the only native speaker of English - and had to show my ID card to a few of my classmates.

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What about the CIA's role?
Posted by: MonkeyBoy on Jan 11, 2007 6:55 AM   
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Another article on the "blowback" theory. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

The CIA under Poppy's watch is responsible for Al-Qaeda.

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» Way to miss the point Posted by: Boomerang
Excellent article!
Posted by: Jimsabis on Jan 11, 2007 6:58 AM   
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This is the type of writing that Alternet should be producing! Well written, well researched, thoughtful and engaging. I actually learned something and came away with motivation to read more about the topic. Very well done on all points!

This is the quality combination of research and writing that should be applied to the Dawkins/Harris topic. Very, very impressive.

Thank you Alternet and Mr. Potts.

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» RE: xcellent article! Posted by: DaBear
» RE: xcellent article! Posted by: Boomerang
Perhaps American Movies contribute
Posted by: brotherjonah on Jan 11, 2007 7:35 AM   
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Some of what was discussed alluded to "a cowboy" "the fasted to pull his gun was the one who survived."
This reminds me of every western which portrayed Texas after the civil war. When Reconstruction laws were enforced by the Army and the whole state was not yet readmitted to the Union and everybody lived under Martial Law. That would be the reality.
The most famous, in Texas at least, Reconstruction law to survive until the present, and only modified in 1991 is the prohibition against carrying short arms, like pistols and revolvers. Concealed or openly. Strecht Verboten. Unless you also packed a badge, you didn't legally pack a pistola.

The John Wayne mythology of gunfights in the streets of Texas town was just that.

But even Americans "just know" that it was true.
In American movies we are portrayed as violent. And the point is not lost on Arabs or anybody else in the world, but in American movies Arabs are portrayed as terrorists.

Arab or Muslim is used as a synonym for Terrorist.

My own brother, who consistently votes R, breathlessly informs me of something he learned in Church, from a preacher who has never been anywhere near the Arabian peninsula, and apparently studies Islam by watching Fox, that Arab children are given dolls which immortalize and make heroes of terrorists. Kind of a GI Jihadi.

From my limited studies of Islam, I would assume that just ain't so. Dolls would be graven images.
Strech Verboten.

and it does sound a whole lot like the GI Joe doll, but maybe I am being overly suspicious.

The halloween ritual mentioned, sounds like the Fundamentalist doctrine, which is very accurate.

And to tie these themes together, view American horror movies which like Halloween parts 1 through however the literally Hell many sequels they made of it. Sex, violence and Satanic rituals, all played out in what would seem to an outsider to be literal confessions on the Big Screen.

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SERIOUS questions about the integrity of Don Hazen, Alternet’s Executive Director
Posted by: aburritt on Jan 11, 2007 9:07 AM   
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I just ran into an eye-opening column a couple days ago entitled “Ethics Problems at Alternet” written by Al Giordano about Don Hazen in 2002. Hazen is the current executive director of Alternet. Giordano is editor of Narco News Bulletin and considered by many as one of the finest front line journalists working today. It was his successful NY State court battle, concluded at the end of 2001, which secured important internet press freedoms. Giordano is a well-know champion of “authentic journalism,” and his readers know that he is a relentless and fearless journalist who deals with facts.

Giordano’s long article, which can be found by Googling “Al Giordano and Alternet” makes a number of serious charges against Hazen. These charges include Hazen’s theft of royalties from writers, his blacklisting of writers, his lying to Giordano when confronted about trying to sell stories written by other writers without permission, and his asking his staff to post bogus positive “reviews” of Alternet publications on Amazon.com. Now, over FOUR YEARS after Giordano published this column, Mr Hazen is still the executive director of Alternet.
According to Giordano, the only response Hazen has made to his questions and before writing the column was to lie and attack him personally, (Giordano also mentions Hazen’s brazen attack on Jeff Cohen and FAIR in what appears to be an attempt to secure more donor funding for his own operation.)

The hypocrisy of all this is amazing: Unlike the folks at Halliburton or the Bush Administration, for example, Alternet is a website which day in and day out publishes articles and opinion demanding transparency and honesty from others, whether it be the government, big business or the corporate media. And yet this very same website is being directed by someone who, according to a highly reliable veteran journalist noted for his uncompromising integrity, has violated a whole mass of basic journalistic principles and ethics and so far has gotten away with it.

Read the article by Giordano and make your own judgment. (Again, just Google “Al Giordano and Alternet.”) There is also a growing exchange of posts concerning this issue in the comments section to “Will Bush Provoke a Constitutional Crisis?” published on 1/7 here at Alternet. It begins with the post, about half way down, entitled “Hmm....Alternet not such a nice buncha kids, hmm?” which first brought this article to my attention, and then develops into an exchange mostly between staff member Joshua Holland, several supposedly posters who are supposedly unconnected with Alternet (make your own judgment about that after reading this exchange,) and myself.

After reading this material, I’d be interested in hearing from other Alternet readers how all of this sits with them. My opinion is that Mr Hazen owes readers and supporters of Alternet a detailed explanation which sticks to the facts and is not loaded down with Ad Homonym attacks on those requesting such an explanation.

If these charges are indeed true, and Don Hazen has never responded to this story to my knowledge, then I think that Don Hazen as executive director of Alternet destroys the inherent credibility of Alternet, makes a mockery of its professed political mission, and should be forced to resign sooner than later. So far as I know, there is no statute of limitations on basic journalistic integrity and ethics within any credible news organization that I’ve heard about. I’d be interested in hearing comments from others about this.

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» Agendas and Return-On-Investment Posted by: eddie torres
» Relevance? Posted by: Boomerang
Intolerant jerks come from everywhere
Posted by: drblack on Jan 11, 2007 9:44 AM   
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It is interesting that these essays reflect an attitude that many rural Americans had also expressed when comming into contact with more populous areas.
Also many whites wrote similarly about Black culture pre-civil rights.
A Open mind coupled with tolerance and acceptance (these being non-existant in most neoCON-fundamentalist people. Not all.) is so important in todays global culture.
John Barnes two sci-fi novels "AMillion Open Doors"and "Earth Made of Glass" are excellent examples of culture clash.
Most people may feel discomfort with the norms in other cultures but to condemn them is so reactionary and neoCON.

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Sexually Disfunctional, Abused, Depressed, Schzoid, Sociopaths
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 11, 2007 10:51 AM   
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Many of the leaders of the so-called Islamic movement are just plain nuts, to use a highly specialised psychological term. I might add that so are many of the crazed, fundamentalist Mormon, Jew, and Christian movements (and cult leaders) are also nuts. Most of these leaders of the Islamic groups are not camel traders or country folks but have been exposed to the West (studying and living in it), come from rich families, and have been educated. Sure the actual suicide bomber is usually an idiot, brainwashed since a child, and from a poor area but the leaders and the perpetrators of the complex operations are educated and well-off. The problem is that they are 'nuts'. For whatever reason: coming to leave in the West at a young age and being not accepted, not able to function properly with women, watching their mother be abused by father (or left for another favourite wife), seeing family killed in war, seeing elder brother each the family fortune, or whatever. Many of them are just plain nuts and not able to be happy or content they are seeking revenge on society, 'the West', the jews, women, or whatever. Similiar to serial killers and rapists.

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Prudish Attah?
Posted by: B.Wildered on Jan 11, 2007 10:53 AM   
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An interesting article. 1950's Greeley seems like a very strange place to find licentiousness. "Belly Dancing" had a long history in the Arab world before then.
But what a rotten red herring smell comes off that closing paragraph. Attah's behaviour in Florida is the opposite of prudish. His "social network" in that state involves gambling, boozing and strippers. Either the "shy student" in Germany had a personality change in the USA or a double using his ID.

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Crucial part of Qutb's book Milestones
Posted by: Earthian on Jan 11, 2007 11:03 AM   
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This part of Qutb's book speaks about the right of Muslims for self-determination, especially the ending: ("Jahiliyyah" refers, roughly, to mainstream Western culture.)

>>Next we must invite everyone to Islam. Then we must show jahiliyyah the low state it is really in, compared to the lofty and bright horizons of Islamic life, which we wish to attain.

This cannot come about by going along even a few steps with jahiliyyah, nor by severing relations with it and removing ourselves to a separate corner; never. The correct procedure is to mix with discretion, give and take with dignity, speak the truth with love, and show the superiority of the Faith with humility. But we must always bear in mind that we live in the midst of jahiliyyah, that our way of life is nobler that that of jahiliyyah, and that the change from jahiliyyah is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but also so that the people of jahiliyyah may come over to Islam, whether they reside in a so-called Islamic country and consider themselves Muslims or are outside the Muslim world so they may come out of darkness into light, get rid of their miserable conditions, and enjoy the blessings that we have tasted—we who have understood Islam and live in its atmosphere. If they do not respond to our call, then we shall say to them what Allah commanded His Messenger, peace be upon him, to say: "For you your way, for me mine."

p. 119, 120 Sayyid Qutb, Milestones

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God Article, Unfortunate Title and missing the context
Posted by: globaljustice on Jan 11, 2007 8:56 AM   
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Sayyad Qutb was a secularist who turned into an Islamist because of being held in jails for ten years. His movement only gained momentum when the West brutally crushed Arab socialism and Nasser; indeed anyone could have predicted this as Islamism was the only possible alternative to secular socialism in Egypt and the Arab world as a whole. Qutb's most famous book, In the Shade of the Quran, is seen as the leading work of modern Muslim jurisprudence and philosophy not only by the Muslim Brotherhood, but many suni Muslims. It is certainly one of the most influential texts in modern Muslim philosophy and provides part of the debate about Muslim political philosophy with which the Muslim world is now struggling.

All this is not to say that anything you say is inaccurate or that it's not worthwhile to talk about how Qutb's travels in the U.S. influenced his poltical thought (you are far from the first to suggest this). But to present him as some lunatic fringe when he is actually very much within the mainstream (as opposed to real loonies like ibn Wahab) is not a fair depiction. The real question is why Qutbism was prefered by the U.S. to Nasserism when they supported the Muslim Brotherhood (which may otherwise have died out altogether) in the time of Anwar Sadat. Sadat was assassignated by the Brotherhood for his efforts, but this still didn't stop the U.S. support for the Brotherhood and for the principle that radical Islamism is preferable to secular socialism whenever possible.

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IT PAYS TO EXPLORE FOR YOURSELF!
Posted by: chanceny on Jan 11, 2007 1:23 PM   
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I'M THINKIN THAT JUST MAYBE A BUSH CRONY WAS TAPPED TO TRAVEL TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND REPORT HIS FINDINS BACK TO W SO HE COULD THEN BE INFORMED WITH ENOUGH 'GRAVITY' TO DO HIS DUE DECIDIN. W NEVER COULD GET THE GUMPTION TO GET HIS PASSORT AND GIVE A LOOK-SEE FOR HIS OWN DAMNED SELF. ME THINKS HE GOT HIS SUNNI/SHIA INFO STRAIGHT FROM GOMER PYLE. MAYBE, HAD HE SENT ONE OF POPPY'S GUYS, HE'D NEVER HAVE UNDERESTIMATED THE DEPTHS OF HELL HE WAS ABOUT TO UNLEASH. UGLY AMERICAN PRESIDENT!

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Scholarship
Posted by: Keokuk on Jan 11, 2007 1:42 PM   
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“In The Tourist Gaze: Leisure and Travel in Contemporary Societies (1990), for example, sociologist John Urry quotes scholar Jonathan Culler, who noted that tourists are ‘semioticians reading the landscape for signifiers of certain pre-established notions.’”

And what does this jargon-laden bit of pseudo-scholarship actually mean? Simply this: that tourists tend to look for what they expect to find. In fact, we all tend to do this, whether we are traveling in a foreign land or reading our morning newspaper.

Perhaps a more interesting question to consider would be whether scholarship resides in insight or in the language used to dress up whatever one has to say. Right now I’m tending toward the latter possibility, but maybe that’s because it’s what I’ve come to expect.

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You forgot to mention...
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jan 11, 2007 7:00 PM   
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...he died a virgin who was frustrated, yet fascinated, by Western women.


(But I have to agree with him about salted watermelon - EW!!! Whatta dreadful concept. Watermelon lollipops covered in hardened chilli powder is bad enough...crazy Mexicans...) ;)

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Al Qaeda's Godfather was, and still IS, Poppy Bush and Crew
Posted by: xbj on Jan 11, 2007 9:15 PM   
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AKA the CIAl Qaeda.

With bin Laden as its phony leader, taking his walking orders DIRECTLY from George Herbert Walker Bush and his crew, Baker, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the recently demoted Rove.

Not to say that there aren't any real fundamentalist islamic terrorists in the ranks, but they're patsies and dupes, living a lie until Bush needs them again. Amongst a bunch of non-fundamentalist Saudis and Egyptians, and a handful of Mossad masuerading as Islamic terrorists.

You know, the kind that gamble in Las Vegas, paw strippers, screw whores, get drunk in bars, and gamble on Abramoff's casino ship before flying planes into skyscrapers going to Allah and all those virgins...

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insightful article
Posted by: Omyma on Jan 11, 2007 9:56 PM   
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Excellent article, great insights. It's important to be able to see things from both sides, and I hope this gets read by people other than those who already agree with his point of view.
Re tourism: Does one cross a line from "tourism" to "resident" when one works for a living in a foreign country? I always thought so, but am no sociologist. However, I lived in foreign countries, because I had to work to live in them; contrasted with groups of tourists who had their agenda all worked out ahead of time. When you have to work in a country, it has a way of integrating you with the people relatively quickly - those virtual strings no longer being attached, and suddenly the "foreigner" becomes "co-worker", and you have to find a way to be "one of us."

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This is an excellent, excellent article.
Posted by: Boomerang on Jan 12, 2007 10:32 AM   
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As someone who studies the Middle East and especially the Islamic resurgence, this is an incredibly well-written, insightful article. I'm surprised that we can continue to jabber on about the Middle East on a daily basis with so much ignorance of the people and culture that live there. It's very, very sad, the epitome of what Said wrote about, and it's nice to see someone point this out, address that it goes both ways, and state that its harmful in both situations.

Qutb's influence was mammoth, but he only saw what he wanted to see, and it's a shame that his accounts and writings account for so much of the intellectual underpinnings of so much of the Islamist movement.

I could write a huge comment about this article, but I don't want to write some enormous novel, so I'll just restrict myself to saying that it's a good article, exceptionally well-written, and I hope Alternet features more articles like it in the future.

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Adam Curtis
Posted by: insulaparadigm on Jan 14, 2007 12:16 AM   
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Also touched on Qutb's visit to the US in his excellent documentary for the BBC the power of nightmares.
THe documentary compares his role with that of Leo Strauss in forming the ideas of the neocons in this country. makes a good case and both men seem similar in their dislike in the decline or spiritual failure in America.

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