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How Jesus Endorsed Bush's Invasion of Iraq

By Damon Linker, Doubleday. Posted October 28, 2006.


In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, Bush needed the approval of religious leaders to shore up his religious base and a group of Catholic theoconservatives were happy to help him do just that.
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The following is an excerpt from Damon Linker's new book The Theocons: Secular America Under Siege (Doubleday, 2006).

For much of the past 25 years, a small group of Catholic intellectuals has worked to inject its radical religious ideas into the nation's politics. The leader of this theoconservative movement is Father Richard John Neuhaus. In the pages of his monthly magazine First Things, Neuhaus and his ideological allies set the theocon agenda on a range of policies. Michael Novak of the American Enterprise Institute argues that the American founders were orthodox religious believers who thought of the United States as a Christian nation -- and that American-style capitalism perfectly conforms to Catholic social teaching. Robert P. George of Princeton University insists that abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, and same-sex marriage (and perhaps even contraception and masturbation) should be outlawed. And George Weigel of Washington's Ethics and Public Policy Center uses Catholic just-war reasoning to justify neoconservative foreign policy. As the U.S. began to prepare for war in Iraq in 2002, the theocons set out to provide theological justification for the coming conflagration.

Around the time of the January 2002 State of the Union speech -- when President Bush broadened the scope of the "war on terror" to include an "axis of evil" consisting of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea -- the mood on the American right began to grow fierce. What had been a uniform chorus of patriotic support for the president and the Afghanistan campaign quickly evolved into a frenzy of bellicosity. Some columnists denounced deterrence and stability in favor of unilateral preemptive war to overthrow hostile regimes. Others openly advocated American imperialism. Still others proposed that the United States act to topple the governments of a series of sovereign nations in the Muslim Middle East, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. And these were the intellectually respectable suggestions, published in mainstream newspapers and long-established journals of opinion. Farther down the media hierarchy, on cable news, Internet websites, and Web blogs, conservatives of all stripes closed ranks, unleashing a verbal barrage on any and all who dissented from a united front in favor of unapologetic American military muscle. The participants in this endless pep rally were insistent on open-ended war, overtly hostile to dissent, and thoroughly unforgiving of the slightest criticism of the United States abroad. They were dismissive of complication and analysis, defensive by default, worshipful of "manliness," admiring of swaggering bluntness, contemptuous of doubt and indecision, addicted to hyperbole, eager to expose "appeasement," and prone to paranoia. Self-congratulation and self-righteousness ruled the day.

The theocons contributed to this atmosphere of pro-war hysteria in several ways. Neuhaus established himself as the rare priest who would grant interviews to National Public Radio in order to defend the justice of invading Iraq. Weigel spoke on college campuses about the administration's firm grasp of the just war tradition. And Novak traveled to Rome to lecture Vatican bureaucrats on the importance of deposing Saddam Hussein and transforming Iraq into a democratic oasis in Middle East. But by far the most significant theocon statement on the invasion of Iraq was Weigel's "Moral Clarity in a Time of War," which he delivered as a lecture in the fall of 2002 at the Catholic University of America Law School before publishing it as a lengthy essay in the January 2003 issue of First Things. The essay was clearly written to provide moral and theological justification for the Bush administration's Iraq policy in every one of its details.

Weigel's case for war ran as follows. In the post-September 11 world, the "peace of order" among nations is fundamentally threatened by international terrorist organizations and rogue states that traffic in weapons of mass destruction. In an ideal world, the UN would possess the means and the will to deal with these threats through the use of coercive military force. But, alas, the UN is deficient in both means and will. Luckily, the United States possesses both in abundance, just as it recognizes the unique responsibility for maintaining global order that flows from its status as the world's preeminent military power. America thus has the solemn duty to act as the worldwide enforcer of international justice -- including the punishment of those who flout the peace of order -- regardless of whether the other nations of the world recognize the legitimacy of such action. In serving as providentially appointed prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner of international justice around the world, the United States furthers its own good (at home and abroad) as well as the good of all decent human beings on the planet. The unilateral overthrow of the government of Saddam Hussein is one example of such righteous American action, but it is hardly the only likely or defensible one to take place in the near future.

When Weigel provided the Bush administration with this moral and theological go-ahead for unilateral war with Iraq (as well as with any number of other rogue states around the world), he was well aware that most religious leaders and a great many public intellectuals both in the United States and abroad did not share his assessment of the situation. Based on any number of considerations -- suspicion about administration evidence of the Iraqi threat, a desire to allow UN inspectors to complete their work, fear that an invasion would spark a regional conflagration, doubts about America's ability to manage an occupation and transition to a decent and stable post-Hussein political order -- these writers had concluded that the coming invasion would fall far short of meeting the standards for a just war.


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Damon Linker is the former editor of First Things and the author of The Theocons: Secular America Under Siege (Doubleday, 2006).

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American Foreign Policy
Posted by: davinci on Oct 28, 2006 12:34 AM   
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The concept of total war and total victory is one of the great flaws of US foreign policy. It hasn't changed much since 1950. To the American mind it is implausible that other nations should have positive and legitimate political aspirations. The mind of the American statesman (this term seems like an oxymoron today) seems to have a lot in common with the American legal profession. It also seems the caliber of American leadership hasn't helped much either; this administration still beleives it can only engage the world with its military muscle. And lastly, it is insane that our politicians should allow the interference of crackpot fundamentalists to influence American diplomacy. But then a good number of them are crackpot fundamentalists themselves.

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» Wake Up and Smell the Pigs Posted by: eyeman
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You want open borders, pope-siekins? Open your own!!
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Oct 28, 2006 12:41 AM   
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Could this be the same bunch of racketeering pedophiles who tell their gullible "flock" to have lots of kids because the Earth can support 40 billion people and God will provide for all?

Apparently they've confused the US with their deity, because we're expected to open our borders and do the providing.

You'd think they could at least open the Vatican's borders, but nooooooooooo. Only in this case does the Pope seem to appreciate the concept of "finite carrying capacity."

Utterly beyond parody, isn't it?

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reckless
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 28, 2006 12:54 AM   
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NEOCONS + THEOCONS = FASCISM. This book makes it clear that we need to replace these reckless immoral beasts with a decent government.

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Bush prepares for Martial Law, please read this:
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 28, 2006 1:13 AM   
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Go to:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/ signs20061027_BushMovesTowardMartialLaw.php

(Please delete space after last "/")

Stand against ignorance, fear and hatred. Work with your neighbors to restore American democracy.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Algodees
Posted by: algodees on Oct 28, 2006 1:19 AM   
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Ideas such as these crackpots espouse are plainly the result of their ignorance of the world and it's history. Can any policy built on lies ever produce good and just results? Herr Goebels understood about the Big Lie. Just keep repeating it and eventually we will all believe it. It is time we had some leaders who have travelled and understand the other nations and peoples. Look what these ignorant and arrogant fools have wrought.

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» RE: Algodees ]Don't blame them. Posted by: rnagisetty
In A Matter That Must Shame God, Himself
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 28, 2006 2:08 AM   
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That title is borrowed from something Kurt Vonnegut wrote over thirty years ago in a collection of essays called, "Wampeters, Fomas and Grandfalloons". I can't, for the life of me recall the subject of that particular piece but its title seemed so appropriate for what's being discussed here.

Apparently, the fact that the Vatican, twice, under two different popes has vehemently condemned the obscenity that this country is now committing in Iraq in the strongest language printable - means not a thing to these foolish men. As a somewhat lapsed but still believeing member of the Church of Rome let me just say this: any Catholic who supports this war should hang his or her head in shame. I had many reasons for the invasion of Iraq - most of them secular - but the biggest reason was the fact that invading that country, which was a threat to no one but itself - Shock and Awe - flew head-on into the face of my Catholic faith.

It wasn't a "just war". Any thinking person could see that from the first day of the invasion. This was a power grab for the administration of George W. Bush. They wanted to control the oil flowing out of that part of the world and Iraq conveniantly happened to be sitting on what was believed to be the second largest oil reserves on the planet. Had its main export been galvanized bicycle clams, trust me, we wouldn't be there today. This wasn't a war about bringing "freedom and democracy" to the Middle East. Since when has the USA given a hoot in hell about democracy in the Arab world or anywhere elese for that matter. Remember, democracy was ended in Iran over half a century ago - not by religious fanatics - but by the administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower. The Bush Mob are only in power because they were able to steal two elections. Since taking power they have sent our Constitution through the sausage grinder. Are you actually naive enough to believe that they give a damn about freedom?? This was a war that was launched for one reason and one reason only: GREED.

Three months ago, I wrote what I believe to be a fairly rational (for me) essay on the subject called "Christ vs Conservatism: A Serious Conflict". If you'll go to my site (there is a link below) and under "Archives" click on "7/21/06", you'll be able to read it in its entirety.

Pray for peace.
Work for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Correction Posted by: Tom Degan
Pope John Paul II
Posted by: fg on Oct 28, 2006 3:28 AM   
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If memory serves, Pope John Paul II told Bush on three separate occasions and to his face that he disagreed with him on Iraq.

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» RE: Pope John Paul II Posted by: Tom Degan
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Well, well, well....
Posted by: zipper696 on Oct 28, 2006 3:52 AM   
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Did anyone pick up the fact that this bunch's weblog is called "ON THE SQUARE" ??

For info, this is a standard question that a Mason would ask to another person "Are you on the square?" to see if the other was a Mason...

Hardcore Catholics + Masons = New World Order ???

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» RE: Well, well, well.... Posted by: Tom Degan
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jefhadist
Posted by: jefhadist on Oct 28, 2006 5:17 AM   
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Clever title and seriously deranged picture. But fortunately, it wasn't "Jesus" endorsing this conflagration anymore than "Jesus" endorses anything. It's seriously messed up "theo-addicts" who love to manipulate others with their supposed "holiness," "charisms," and mental-midgetry. Jesus wouldn't have touched this war....any war... with a ten foot cross. Onward christian theocons, my ass.

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» RE: jefhadist Posted by: Tom Degan
» seriously deranged picture Posted by: kww355
» RE: jefhadist Posted by: grumpyoldman
When Was The Catholic Church Ever A Force For Peace?
Posted by: Douglas on Oct 28, 2006 5:55 AM   
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During its long and inglorious history the Catholic Church has been responsible for untold mass murder and genocide. It murdered millions of Jews and Muslims during the various crusades, burned several million "witches" at the stake during the middle ages, murdered around a million Cathars (the first act of European genocide) in the fourteenth century, murdered millions more during the Inquisition, burned and otherwise murdered millions of Protestants during the counter reformation, and committed wholesale murder of millions of natives Americans and forced millions more to convert to Catholicism at the point of the sword in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. One would have thought that the current shameless Pope, who is undoubtedly knowedgeable of his own church's ungodly and murderous history, would have been embarassed to point out recently that Islam had been spread at the point of the sword when his own Catholic Church must surely hold the record for using the sword to convert others. When in its long and inglorious history has the Catholic Church ever been an advocate of peace? Is there any other institution currently extant on the earth that has been guilty of as much mass murder and genocide as the Roman Catholic Church?

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Tom: Wrong Picture
Posted by: R.I.P. on Oct 28, 2006 6:12 AM   
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Somehow they got their photos of the man from Nazareth mixed up with Jesus H. Christ (no relation)

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» Jesus picture Posted by: kww355
Its God's Plan
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 28, 2006 6:50 AM   
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we need this war because 1000 years ago a child fell down a well and has been living down there waiting to arise and bring judgement to the world. We need this 12th Iman to rise up from the well, riding on a flaming horse, to bring justice to the world and kill all the jews, christians, and infidels. Bush/Cheney's war is only designed to bring out the Madhi, peace by upon him, and is according to Allah's win, peace-be-upon-him.

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otto
Posted by: otto on Oct 28, 2006 7:38 AM   
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Thanks to Damon Linker for bringing all this to light; I had no idea that there was that much "Catholic influence" on things and thought it was all the Christian right in general - inclluding many Catholics. And I consider myself fairly well informed on things in both areas - a formally active and now married priest who has been active in social justice causes most of my life. I can see where their type of thinking comes from; in seminary days the arguement that it was more merciful to torture heretics in the Inquisition to save their souls seemed to make sense to me. The Crusades were a noble and just cause "for Christ"! WE (God and US) were coming from a higher source of knowledge. Now I still hope and have confidence that God is still managing to build His Kingdom in some strange and mysterious way - even through all the mistakes and stupid paths that we all take. The Church (i.e. both Rome and Christians in general) has to learn that this "Kingdom of God" ("Reign of God" is a better term, as the ladies point out to us!) is more important than they are and takes first place!

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» Inflated Intellectuals? Posted by: edith
Neuhaus isn't the Church
Posted by: Thinker on Oct 28, 2006 7:56 AM   
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I'd like to emphasize that the neocons weren't the Church. The Vatican refused to endorse Iraq, and did hold to the doctrine of the "just war". No war today can meet the demands of a just war as it's impossible to conduct a war without involving the civilian population.

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» RE: Neuhaus isn't the Church Posted by: Basenjis
Charism of Political Discernment...enjoyed by WHOM?
Posted by: mdruss42 on Oct 28, 2006 8:12 AM   
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-DULY CONSTITUTED PUBLIC AUTHORITIES- WOW! Does that mean the dog catcher too?

Did I miss something? Did someone offer $5,000,000 for the nuttiest, most outrageous, reactionary, religious proposals? As if the marriage of the Dominionists, with their stoning and back-to-slavery factions, and the Dominationists, with their dreams of the world-as-their-private-oyster was not nutty enough.

MAY WE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OR I WILL NOT GET TO SEE IT, AND I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO, HAVE OCCASION TO BE GRATEFUL TO THE SOCIOPATHIC GANG IN WASHINGTON FOR SHINING A VERY BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT ON THE VARIOUS SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS NUTJOBS PRESENTLY OPERATING IN OUR SOCIETY.

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The road to hell is paved with the skulls of priests
Posted by: Carl Street on Oct 28, 2006 8:18 AM   
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As ususal, the problem is not that God is on anyone's side; rather it is that NO ONE is on HIS...

I am a strong, practicing Catholic and, unlike many other alleged "Christians" and "Catholics" recognize that the core of our religious faith and spiritual obligations is expressed clearly and concisely in the Sermon on The Mount -- "Whatever you do to the least of MY bretheren, ye have done it to ME."

DAMNATION shall be the lot of those who fail in this regard -- the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:41 are are clear, concise, and unequivocal. There is NO waffling or consideration for religious rank. In fact, Jesus was clear that even those who cast out demons in HIS name would be subject to damnation; and that the final judgement would NOT be based on religious protocols and ceremonies; rather, that it would be based on one's actions towards one's fellow human beings.

Any Catholic or Christian that hopes to take refuge in some kind of religious Nuremburg defense (I was only following the orders of my priest) will be sorely disappointed. You have been given the word of GOD and to try and use some kind of religious lawyering loophole will fail. And, keep in mind all the lawyers will already have preceeded you into the gates of hell anyway.

Those who believe that Jesus would endorse war, torture, and weaponry expenditures while millions suffer privation are securing their own eternal damnation.

Carl Street
carl_street@cjstreet.com

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Wake Up, See Clearly, Speak Plainly
Posted by: wawa on Oct 28, 2006 8:37 AM   
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Thomas Jefferson weeded out the miracle stories from the gospels and clarified the teachings of Christ in
The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth

1. Be just: justice comes from virtue which comes from the heart.

2. Treat people the way we want to be treated.

3. Always work for PEACEFUL resolutions, even to the point of returning violence with COMPASSION.

4. Consider valuable the things that have no material value.

5. Do not judge others.

6. Do not bear grudges.

7. Be modest and unpretentious.

8. Give out of true generosity, not because we expect to be repaid.

9. Being true to one's self is more important than being loyal to one's family...those who think they know the most are the most ignorant......




"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine


"If enough Christians followed the gospel, they could bring any state to its knees." - Father Philip Francis Berrigan


Public Service message from
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» The problem... Posted by: stormchilde1975
When the man comes around...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 28, 2006 8:52 AM   
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Every time I hear of religious rightie fascists, I recall what Johnny Cash had to say:

The Man Comes Around Lyrics

and I heard as it were, the noise of thunder
and one of the four beasts sang,
come and see, I saw,
and behold! a white horse...


There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the Man comes around

The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup?
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the Man comes around

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

Till Armageddon no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise man will bow down before the thrown
And at His feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the Man comes around

Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the Man comes around

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the Man comes around.

"and I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
and behold! a pale horse
and its name that sat on him was death
and hell followed after him..."


Beats Yeats, I think.

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Alternet & Religion - Just Can't Get Enough . . .
Posted by: JCR on Oct 28, 2006 9:31 AM   
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I am willing to wager that Alternet almost evenly divides its time between Religion and the War in Iraq although in this article you get two for the price of one. What a bore, er I mean, boon for readers. This article happens to single out Catholics, something I find interesting given Alternet's (aka OpenTheBorder.org) highly favorable view of unlimited legal and illegal immigration of Catholic Latinos among others. I mentioned this yesterday in another thread on marriage rates among immigrants.

I'm a liberal like most readers here (that is when I'm not burning crosses and hunting down immigrants on the border with my Minutemen buddies) so I cannot help but see the blatant hypocrisy. I have never so much as read one criticism or suggestion that perhaps a huge influx of Catholics into this country is the last thing we need. Of course all Alternet sees are more potential Democratic Party adherents so in that case all is forgiven. We all understand the economic and humanitarian issues. We all know that immigrants are looking for a better life and performing necessary jobs but let's not forget what baggage many bring with them. Bent on criticizing Christians, Alternet ignores the fact that most people entering the US are bringing with them a brand of Catholicism that makes the homegrown variety look tame.

All you pro-choicers get ready to say farewell to safe, legal abortions. Think this current administration is over the top - wait until more hardcore old-world Catholics join the evangelical right in a crusade to stamp out any hopes of gay marriage. Let's say goodbye to steady reproduction rates and hello to 5 kids per family. Think of all those good Christian and Mormon families with 5 and 6 kids; now magine more of the same. Think more superstition, intolerance of gays/lesbians and women's rights and less compassion despite the intended teachings of Jesus. I actually live in a Latin American country where abortion is 100% illegal even in many cases where it is necessary to save a woman's life. It is not illegal to grab a woman's ass or breasts on the street and "GOD commands men and women to have many children". Before you all label me a Latino-hating bigot consider the hateful/"stereotypical" things many of you along with Alternet have written regarding Christians or Israelis - that should be enough to silence most.

Intent on highlighting the evils of the Christian right I also noticed that Alternet didn't mention the hatred issuing from Australia and England over the last couple of days. Australia's leading Imam blamed women for their own rapes - comparing them to pieces of meat left out on the street for hapless men to stumble on and rape going on to say that if they were in their homes and wearing appropriate Muslim attire like good little theists then those poor men would not be tempted to ravage them like the pieces of meat they are. Similarly, Hypocrisy.org missed the story in England where one leading Imam stated that death was a fitting punishment for gay men. We know Falternet feels that Islam gets a bad rap as it is but Christians and Jews alone can be targeted all the live long day while important stories like these are dismissed because Alternet is 100% PC 100% of the time? Of course I expect the same claptrap about "radical Muslims only hate us because of the war" except these particular statements from Australia and England had nothing to do with war. How about a little criticism where it's due? ALL RELIGIOUS NUTS NOT JUST OUR HOMEGROWN VARIETY!

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Christian Zionism: An Egregious Threat to U.S. - Middle East Understanding
Posted by: rwa on Oct 28, 2006 11:07 AM   
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By The Council for the National Interest
10/27/06 "CNI" — -- Christian Zionism, a belief that paradise for Christians can only be achieved once Jews are in control of the Holy Land, is gathering strength in the United States and forging alliances that are giving increasingly weird shape to American policy toward the Middle East. The nature of the movement and its detrimental impact on policy was the subject of the 22nd Capitol Hill public hearing presented by the Council for the National Interest yesterday.
A new Zogby International poll commissioned by the CNI Foundation shows that 31 percent of those surveyed in the national poll strongly believe or somewhat believe in the ideas behind Christian Zionism, defined as “the belief that Jews must have all of the promised land, including all of Jerusalem, to facilitate the second coming of the messiah.” Other polls bear similar messages, that 53% of Americans believe that Israel was given by God to the Jews (Pew), and that 59% of the American public believes the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelations will come true (CNN/Time.)

The international implications of such beliefs are profound, as an increasing number of Americans believe that God sets foreign policy goals. Rev. Robert O. Smith, Lutheran pastor at the University of Chicago, one of the speakers at the hearing, discussed the development of this belief that dates to the 19th century and how it has received a powerful new impetus with the founding this year of a new group of the Christian right called Christians United for Israel (CUFI). And yet while it works closely with Jewish Zionist organizations in the US, including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, to promote the continued occupation of Palestine by the Israel (land God has given the Jews), it works just as effectively in dehumanizing the original inhabitants of the Holy Land, both Muslims and Christians.

Another speaker, Rammy Haija, who teaches at Radford University, drew attention to the necessity in the Christian Zionist dogma for the Israelis to retain control not only of the whole of the occupied territory but also all of Jerusalem. Christian Zionists have pushed the militarist policies of both Israel and the U.S. in an effort to secure the Holy Land in preparation for the coming of the “promised land.” As part of this strategy, the U.S. occupation of Iraq is deemed absolutely necessary.

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» Sounds Like God's A Nerd! Posted by: edith
Preacher shopping
Posted by: bookwoman on Oct 28, 2006 12:37 PM   
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The Bushes have a tradition of going preacher shopping (finding a clergyman who will give you the answers you want) when you decide to go to war. Back when Bush '41' was planning to start Desert Storm, The Most Reverend Edmund Browning, the then Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church to which Bush '41' belonged as a cradle member, went to him with a delegation of clergy and asked him to consider not getting involved in Kuwait.

Having been asked, by the head of his church, not to involve U.S. troops in this war, Bush decided that he needed a friendly clergyman to back him up. He visited Retired Presiding Bishop John Allin who immediately told him that attacking the Iraqis occupying Kuwait was a great idea. With this approval of a former Bishop in hand, Bush '41' initiated Desert Storm.

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I suspect the good Father
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 28, 2006 12:46 PM   
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I suspect the good Father will be surprised when he finds himself among the GOATS and NOt the SHEEP . He was so pleased that some of his words made it into Bush's speech .
I seem to remember PRIDE being one of the seven Deadly sins .

Perhaps the father should reread that verse that says a Bad Tree can NOT bear GOOD Fruit . If ever there was a bad tree this gang in the whitehouse qualifies . Hell they are a forrest of bad trees

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God Bless America
Posted by: eyeman on Oct 28, 2006 1:31 PM   
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Here they go again,
The Yanks in their armoured parade
Chanting their ballads of joy
As they gallop across the big world
Praising America's God.

The gutters are clogged with the dead
The ones who couldn't join in
The others refusing to sing
The ones who are losing their voice
The ones who've forgotten the tune.

The riders have whips which cut.
Your head rolls onto the sand
Your head is a pool in the dirt
Your head is a stain in the dust
Your eyes have gone out and your nose
Sniffs only the pong of the dead
And all the dead air is alive
With the smell of America's God.

Nobel Prize Poet Harold Pinter January 2003

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Jesus MIA
Posted by: fatherbernie on Oct 28, 2006 1:44 PM   
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It is unfortunate that Catholics and non-Catholics alike can get such a distorted view of Catholic social teaching from the likes of Neuhaus and the severely compromised United States Conference of Catholics Bishops that a Catholic bashing response begins to develop.
Thankfully Neuhaus and Novak and the USCCB represent politics and not theology. The Catholic Church officially teaches and has done so since Vatican II, the near impossibility of just war let alone the convoluted and unchristian mind game called “the just war theory.” If one follows the teachings of Jesus then just war is sinful poppycock at best and demonic evil at worst.
What is missing here is the idea that Rome runs this American Catholic Church. The church here is as fundamentally right as Falwell and Robertson (and lets not forget either self righteous Graham in the equation either.) John Paul II called the Iraq debacle morally wrong, not a bad idea mind you, but morally wrong. As head of the church, in a statement on faith and morals, he should have been listened to , even if said position was not ex cathreda e.g. from the seat of authority as it were. Unfortunately we are dealing with the complicit USCCB who wear American flag underwear perhaps of many different styles. Like the House or Senate or Court or Jeff Gannon's White House, raging pedophiles may exist in this assembly as they reflect the population and not the religion. Prelates like to pass that buck up to Rome but sadly the buck stops here ...... HERE.
As an Old Catholic priest, I often find an easy target for my criticisms in Rome but I must be careful about generalities. The conservative American Catholic desperately wants an “American Church” so he or she can bathe in the narrowness of American thought with comfort. I live near Philadelphia and I will tell you that the meat packers, the large farms, the mushroom growers, the landscaper, and the working middle class (who is cleaning house?) have beckoned and encouraged our neighbors south of the border with great lust. If you build it (the system that exploits them) they will come. JCR has no eyes to see and no ears to hear and throws out the red herring of “the Catholic Invasion”, sorry bigot, that is too transparent. No one, let me say again no one in the Bush administration will send back one Mexican laborer, they are for exploitation folks.
The saddest thing is that neoconism crosses religious lines and is probably acquired when we are vaccinated. Sadder too this belief that God's covenant with the Jews, Baptism or being Born Again is our salvation. Jesus said I have others who are not of this fold. My Islamic, Buddhist or animist brothers and sisters, God's undying eternal love awaits you for following the law that is written on each of your hearts. “Christian” America ... what shall we do? God is love and those who abide in love abide in God and God in them. I John 4:16

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Moral Relativism
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 28, 2006 2:01 PM   
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Did I miss something, or are the Catholic apologists arguing for moral relativism-- that we should forgive the sins of the past because the christian leaders of bygone eras were operating using the values of the times?

Didn't the Rev. Falwell and the rest of those clowns state that moral relativism was the plague of our time? Didn't the Pope come out against moral relativism? Interesting that moral relativism is appropriate for the 12th century but not today.

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» RE: Moral Relativism Posted by: albrechtkrausse
He is a Playwright. With a strong political statement
Posted by: eyeman on Oct 28, 2006 2:06 PM   
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And you are Correct he is not a poet.

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the rape, pillage, and bomb kind
Posted by: psyopswatcher on Oct 28, 2006 2:12 PM   
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How about this Father Richard John Neuhaus gets his tush over to Baghdad and does a little missionary work?

The Mother Theresa kind... not the rape, pillage, and bomb kind.

If they came for his traipsings, what kind of fight would he put up?

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My Prayer
Posted by: Shawny on Oct 28, 2006 2:40 PM   
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Here's the church
And here's the steeple
Jesus, save me
From your people.

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KILL em all and>>>>
Posted by: Glennk1949 on Oct 28, 2006 3:10 PM   
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The Religious rights position can be reduced to a simple phrase. "KILL EM ALL and LET GOD SORT THEM OUT AFTERWARDS"

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» RE: KILL em all and>>>> Posted by: albrechtkrausse
It's All About the Gravy Train
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 28, 2006 6:35 PM   
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Once again, it's all about religion as a business. Here in the South, "cracker" preachers continue to be pumped out of the gazillion bible colleges. Every family almost has its "Bobby Ray" preacher kid, usually it's the one who wanted the easy life or had a hard time in math while in school. But what we saw with the pro Iraq war stance was that some of the big name "crackers" were just basically betting on their man, GW Bush, with the prolific endorsements. Then, they thought they would be collecting. Collecting by moving into Iraq to "evangelize" and convert, and fill their coffers. Collect also via the many businesses and connections that the "crackers" have. So, this is what it is really all about. The average "cracker" never cared a rat's ass about the Iraqi's to began with, nothing but foolish Muslim heathen anyway getting what they got coming, but here was a golden opportunity to get set-up for the gravy train.

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You people are morons!
Posted by: slydad on Oct 28, 2006 9:57 PM   
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If you can't see the reason we had to take Saddam down, then you just don't pay attention.

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» You mean oil? Posted by: HeroesAll
» had to "take him down" Posted by: Ghoulman
» See what I mean? Posted by: slydad
» RE: See what I mean? Posted by: AdamG
» RE: See what I mean? Posted by: yellow
evidence
Posted by: WyrdSister on Oct 29, 2006 7:53 AM   
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I would like to see evidence refuting this post, then.

I wouldnt put it past W to declare Martial Law. He has already done so much damage to our country. We are already in a fascist regime.

WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM
1.Exuberant nationalism
2. Enemies Identified
3. Rights Disappear
4. Secrecy Demanded
5. Military Glorified
6. Corporations Shielded
7. Corruption Unchecked
8. Media Controlled
9. Rampant Sexism
10. Intellectual Bullying
11. Militarized Police
12. Elections Stolen

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» RE: evidence Posted by: WyrdSister
» Thanks, WyrdSister Posted by: LeftWright
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» Thank you Posted by: slydad
» Neo-Fascism Posted by: stormchilde1975
I don't get it...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Oct 29, 2006 9:20 AM   
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... where did this Neuhaus get his payoff? Where's the money? I'm guessing the ole "vested interest" underground in the markets. Hey, it's still illegal.

These people don't have any ideals higher than money, you can always tell this is so from the devotion to nationalism instead of Jesus.

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so much verbiage wasted...
Posted by: doctorsquared on Oct 29, 2006 9:32 AM   
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over something that does not exist.

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US fascism
Posted by: yellow on Oct 29, 2006 11:53 AM   
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The Civil War's impact was somewhat superficial in a social sense. The Union was preserved, slavery eliminated, and the issue of tariffs resolved in favor of the northern industrialists. The southern plantocracy continued to prosper on the basis of the world market in Cotton and Tobacco which began to diversify in the late 19th century anyway toward some of the UK colonies like India, Egypt, and the Sudan. US export agricultural began to shift toward California and the midwest based on fruit, vegetables, wine, grains and other commodities. The growth of western and northern agriculture was based on small scale family farming. The more labor intensive agro-export sector in the west became based on migrants and was also labor repressive but not based on a politically dominant plantocracy. This is the key.

The Civil War reintegrated the South, then marginalized its political economy which was still based on large scale agro-export agriculture as well as some extractive and light manufacturing industries. The north, after the early collapse of progressive reconstruction, was willing to tolerate labor repressive systems and undemocratic political oppression. The systems even found a certain compatibility with poor Yeoman farmers and lumpen "white trash" element being recruited to repress northern labor struggles as the North was beginning to industrialize. Between 1880 and 1938 when the Wagner Act was passed legalizing collective bargaining, over 700 American workers were killed in violent labor struggles. In some states at this time, Pinkertons and private company armed security outnumbered local police and state militia. This exposes the real purpose of armed force in US history. In many areas dispossessed poor whites joined the KKK and various Rifle clubs and acted as scabs and repressed and terrorized the local blacks. The south's continued limited and undemocratic role in US historic development was blanketed with an overlay of patrimonial traditionalism and, of course, a fierce fundamentalist religiosity.

These are the historic roots of southern political backwardness and hostility to modern concepts of democracy, civil liberties, and equality. It is found in the North's abandonment of the South's needed post-civil war project of democratization, reform, and rehabilitation in the 1860s and 1870s in favor of conveniently exploiting residual undemocratic southern tendencies to the benefit of northern elite socio-economic and political interests.

I fear the very same is being done by US imperialism in war-torn Iraq today.

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» War never changes. Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: War never changes. Posted by: yellow
» RE: War never changes. Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: War never changes. Posted by: yellow
Can "Just War" theory be reconciled with "Love your enemy"? Only a Christian dilemma?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 29, 2006 3:39 PM   
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I believe that most of us, including myself, have no serious understanding of either justice or love. So it is a pity, but also to be expected, that a Neuhaus can exert such influence. Among the blind, the chances of finding an insightful leader are slim.

Loving our enemies dares to modify the simplistic, “Survival is the first law of nature.” Supporters for the latter outnumber those of the former by, what would you guess, a gazillion to one? A Mike Dukakis could be dissembled, so badly that it shook his presidential campaign, by the question, “What would you do if your family were attacked.”

Again, like the rest of us, I assume that Neuhaus only knew what he was being told. As I F Stone told us, “All governments lie.” But did he dare add, “…all the time,” as would be necessary in our current circumstance?

Yes, Linker’s insider’s view adds impact to his cogency. I could do without the gossip. But I suppose that’s what sells books these days.

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By their works they shall be known.....
Posted by: Salvapath on Oct 30, 2006 11:02 AM   
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The Emperor Constantine; 3 hundred and some years AD; the first, self proclaimed, Pope and founder of the Catholic church. He was a greedy monarch and politician playing to be Christian, the same as our modern clepto-elite; all of them represent, then and now, the Antichrist; from them we can conclude to who the Catholic Church and the moder false "leaders" really represent....

In the present, we know better than nobody else about the legacy from the murky beginnings of that false church; mass murder, corruption, depravation, politics, intrigue, etc....

A serious Christian cannot believe, accept or even think that the Roman Church has anything to do with Jesus Christ's doctrine....
politics, mafia, conspiracy, wars; yes!! that's the Roman church real doctrine....

We most feel sorry for the people of real Christian faith in the Catholic church, but the truth is the truth; they should get out of that hellish kingdom ruled by the Vatican; what else are they waiting to see to make them take that decision? Get out from Babilon!!!!! run for your souls if you care about them!!!....

There is not a worst blind than the one that doesn't want to see; repent!!! and follow Jesus Christ, not politicians, Popes, false leader or teachers..............

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» So then, what is the "real" church? Posted by: doctorsquared
please
Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 30, 2006 5:46 PM   
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Oh, it's all the Catholics' fault! My mistake. And here I was blaming this whole mess on the neo-cons! Silly me!

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Jesus Does NOT Endorse Human Wars
Posted by: cpatton on Oct 31, 2006 8:36 AM   
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An interesting article that illustrates what happens when human politicians try to straddle the chasm between what Jesus taught and what people do in His name. The issue of "Just War" is a non-starter if one reads the Bible and tries to apply it in his or her personal life without the confusion of a developed theological tradition.

The submitted disciple of Jesus does not take sides in military conflict but considers the salvation of all as a representative from a heavenly kingdom that has overcome evil with good. The sins of nation states and societies will face the eternal Judge one day, but God Himself will intervene to establish justice and peace against the armed forces of humanity. The true disciple does not use force of arms to "convince" unbelievers or to try to "correct" the sins of society.

Those justifying wars by Christian theology must devote books to explaining away the simple statements of Scripture like "love your enemy." For more info see the following article:

Citizenship of a Higher Order, Biblical Reasons for Rejecting Military Service and War, by Christopher J. Patton. Most Christians do not properly differentiate between their duties as citizens of heaven from those as citizens of some earthly political state. Possessing incomplete belief systems, they do not have the spiritual objectivity necessary to understand the world we live in and to make sound decisions of faith. Specifically, an appropriate course of action for a nation state of this world may present totally inappropriate behavior choices for a follower of Jesus Christ.

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Collision Course
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Oct 31, 2006 4:01 PM   
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What an fascinating article. Finally someone tells it like it is. But our government's infusion of religious beliefs is like a car careening out of control in an urban area and is about to crash into something-or someone.
I wonder if we can avoid being hit by it.....And just who is behind the wheel, anyway?

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Did World War II ever actually end?
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Nov 2, 2006 5:23 PM   
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I mean, war is SUCH good business and such a good way to keep economies bubbling over...Did the US actually ever stop fighting, once they joined in?

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Pax Christi
Posted by: novseis on Nov 2, 2006 9:20 PM   
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There are Catholics who oppose this war, and war-making in general, who want to lift up Jesus's teachings about nonviolence: Pax Christi, to mention one group.

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