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Terrorism: It's Time to Get a Grip

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted September 11, 2006.


The threat posed by terrorists -- like that of the Soviet menace during the Cold War -- has been massively exaggerated, and the public is understandably terrified. It's time for Americans to get a grip.
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"Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror." --FDR, 1933

American public policy shouldn't be made by 19 reactionary right-wing fundamentalists with box-cutters or some Saudi culture warrior holed up in a cave in Pakistan, and it shouldn't be based on the public's basest emotional responses. But for the past five years, that's largely been the case.

Of course, that assumes that sound policy, based on realistic analyses of the issues, is lawmakers' primary goal. It's not. That would only be in the interests of ordinary people. Terrorism has become intensely politicized, and fear is now an organizing principle for the right.

Last week, journalist Mathew Stannard wrote about a new study by Columbia University researchers that showed empirically what many of us have long known intuitively: The Bush administration hypes the threat of terrorism, the media embrace that hype, President Bush's approval ratings rise and the cable news channels get their ratings.

University of California scholar Mark Juergensmeyer told Stannard, "This public panic benefits the terrorists, whose work is made easier by an overactive government response that magnifies their efforts. In an odd way, this puts the government and the terrorists in league with one another," he said. "The main loser, alas, is the terrified public."

Aside from the political consequences of a freaked-out populace, the constant drumbeat of fear has been used to justify the detention of U.S. and foreign citizens without trial, warrant-less surveillance of Americans and an unprovoked war of aggression against a sovereign state that has proved to be disastrous. It's also been used to justify the greatest expansion of military spending since the start of the Cold War, paid for with large deficits and deep cuts in domestic priorities.

For all of those reasons, we have to put the threat of international terrorism in perspective. That doesn't mean denying that Islamist terror is a real threat -- it certainly is -- but it does mean evaluating how great that threat is, and questioning whether the strategies that the U.S. has adopted to counter it are the appropriate ones.

With that, here are some things you should know to put international terrorism in the proper perspective.

The advent of "spectacular" terror attacks belies the fact that international terrorism is in the midst of a long decline

Terror statistics are notoriously unreliable and, under the Bush administration, highly politicized. Last year, according to government figures, there were over 11,000 incidents of international terrorism worldwide -- a record number -- and the administration would have you believe that this is evidence that we're engaged in a deadly and worsening "war." But a significant increase in the tally comes from two factors: the instability in Iraq and, more importantly, a new official definition of terror that captures all sorts of political violence -- including violence in the midst of civil wars, violence against security forces (but not soldiers) and even political vandalism that results in property damage valued at more than $10,000. The Center for Defense Information, a respected strategic think tank, notes that it's "useless for any analytical undertaking to examine the motives behind three high school students vandalizing cars with the letters "ELF" (Earth Liberation Front), just as it is useless to count every act of politically motivated violence as terrorism."

... how the government counts international terrorism incidents profoundly affects the credibility of the Bush administration's claim that the United States is engaged in a "Long War" against international terrorism. [The National Counterterrorism Center's] accounting methods, which show that international terrorism is rapidly getting worse, motivate government officials eager to promulgate their theatrical vision of the conflict in which the United States is now mired. Omitting the NCTC's more questionable incidents -- those in the conflict zones of Iraq and Kashmir -- shows terrorism reached its zenith in the mid-1980s and has been declining since.
9/11 should never have happened

Over the past five years, a series of disclosures have shown that the U.S. government had ample reason to believe that a major attack on the United States -- using hijacked aircraft -- was imminent but took no significant steps to increase the nation's airport security. If it had acted on the warnings that it had, the attacks most likely would have been foiled.

In the weeks and months before 9/11, the Bush administration was warned of an imminent al Qaeda attack by the intelligence agencies of France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Russia. Even a senior member of the Taliban warned the United States of an impending attack. Among those communications were specific warnings about al Qaeda's using "suicide pilots" and turning "commercial aircraft into missiles." New York and Washington were cited as specific targets. Military intelligence, the CIA and the FBI all had leads on the plotters (see here for details and sources). Newsweek reported that on Sept. 10 that "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." But despite all of these warnings, airport security was not raised to the point where even one out of 19 swarthy and no doubt nervous young men with box cutters was detected on Sept. 11.

This is, of course, a key ingredient fueling the proliferation of conspiracy theories around the attacks -- four in ten Americans suspect that the government has at least covered up information about the attacks. But aside from putting that phenomenon into context, it's important to understand the failure for two reasons. First, it indicates that the best defense against terrorism is good intelligence and law enforcement. It also shows that Islamic militants are not supermen capable of eluding our most sophisticated defenses at will. They are, ultimately, zealots with limited funding, technology and expertise in comparison with our own professional security forces. A review of media accounts shows that, over the past six years, Western governments claim to have foiled at least 37 large-scale terrorist attacks.

If 9/11 had been prevented, we'd consider international terrorism to be a very minor issue indeed

In the lead-up to the 2004 election, John Kerry was pilloried by the right for suggesting that the goal of U.S. anti-terrorism policy should be to "get back" to the point when terrorism was "a nuisance." It was, the Republicans asserted, a sign of how "unserious" the Democratic nominee was about the threat of terror.

But the truth is that if those planes had been stopped on that morning five years ago, terrorism would barely even rise to the level of nuisance.

In every one of the 10 years before the invasion of Iraq except for 2001, more Americans died from lightning strikes in the United States than were killed worldwide in terror attacks. Aside from the attacks on Sept. 11, eight Americans were victims of international terror in 2001. Aside from that one terrible strike -- one that never should have happened -- no more than 40 Americans were killed worldwide in terrorist attacks in any of those ten years.

In each of the last two years, 56 U.S. citizens were victims of terrorism, but the bulk of them were contractors, journalists and aid workers in Iraq. 2004 was one of the deadliest in recent decades, and fewer than 2,000 people worldwide were killed in "significant acts of international terrorism."

This is not to minimize the tragedy of losing a loved one to violent extremists. But it's an important bit of perspective -- it gets to the question of priorities. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz estimated that the long-term costs of the Iraq war and occupation could reach $2 trillion, which is six times the proposed cost of the Apollo Project for energy independence, with enough left over to do things like footing the $3 billion yearly bill to wipe out malaria, a killer of between 700,000 and 2.7 million people each year (most of them children), for the next six decades (and Stiglitz's figure didn't include the increase in spending on military hardware, intelligence or homeland security).

"They" aren't coming after "us"

A new book by über-conservative (and clearly insane) columnist Mark Steyn, America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It, predicts that "Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin." He sees a future in which "liberals will still tell you that 'diversity is our strength' -- while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, [and] the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn't violate the 'separation of church and state'…"

Sadly, this kind of paranoia is relatively widespread. Fortunately, the truth is that there is obviously no widespread global "jihad" against the West. Many countries have a significant problem with terrorism, but not the United States, Canada or Western Europe.

In 2004, more than half of all significant international terrorist attacks occurred in Southern Asia, and about 40 percent occurred in the Middle East. There were 13 in the Western hemisphere -- all in Latin America and the Caribbean, and 24 in Europe and Eurasia -- only one of which occurred in Western Europe. Last year, even including deaths in Iraq, U.S. citizens made up 0.4 percent of the worldwide death toll.

The overwhelming majority of terror attacks last year occurred in a handful of countries. Forget the duct tape -- if you want to avoid becoming a victim of terror, the best strategy is to stay out of the disputed Kashmir region, Colombia, the Occupied Territories and Iraq and Afghanistan.

Terrorists are not as terrifyingly capable as we've been led to believe

President Bush has described al Qaeda as "cunning and sophisticated" and able "to change their methods and their tactics with deadly speed." To an extent, this may be true, but the image it creates is one of endless resourcefulness and a capacity to wreak havoc that is undiminished after the U.S. onslaught in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Another pernicious fear is of al Qaeda cells in deep cover across the United States, poised for a signal to launch their deadly strikes. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft once boasted about how his Justice Department had unearthed over 1,000 terrorist cells in the United States -- a frankly ludicrous assertion that the media reported with little skepticism. He later said that al Qaeda could "hit hard" in the United States at any time, and warned in May of 2004 that 90 percent of the arrangements for a major attack were complete.

The idea of a wily, omnipresent enemy has been deeply embraced by the American public and has contributed greatly to its sense of insecurity. Every poll conducted since 9/11 has found a majority of Americans believing a major attack in the United States was likely in the immediate future (in the most recent Time Magazine/ Discovery Channel poll, three out of four respondents thought an attack in the next year is "somewhat" or "very likely").

But terrorism experts are questioning these assertions that provide such a crucial rationale for the U.S. "war" on terror.

Writing in Foreign Affairs, Ohio State University's John Mueller wrote that it is likely that "almost no terrorists exist in the United States and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad."
If al Qaeda operatives are as determined and inventive as assumed, they should be here by now. If they are not yet here, they must not be trying very hard or must be far less dedicated, diabolical and competent than the common image would suggest ... The evidence so far suggests that fears of the omnipotent terrorist ... may have been overblown, the threat presented within the United States by al Qaeda greatly exaggerated. The massive and expensive homeland security apparatus erected since 9/11 may be persecuting some, spying on many, inconveniencing most, and taxing all to defend the United States against an enemy that scarcely exists.
While the evidence seems to bear out Mueller's analysis, his focus is only on the United States, and terrorism is a global issue. But even those who disagree with Mueller concede that al Qaeda as constituted on 9/11 has largely been destroyed. The consensus is that it has been replaced by a widely dispersed ideology that's spawned home-grown al Qaeda wannabes in a number of countries.

That's good news and bad news. On the one hand, citizens of countries like Spain and Britain have been radicalized by the war on terror, and they can't be stopped at the border. The good news is that thousands of hardened, well-trained and experienced fighters have been killed or captured since 9/11 -- mostly in Afghanistan -- and their destruction has impacted the sophistication of the terror groups that remain. The recent "jetliners plot" -- in which British nationals of Pakistani descent were said to have been in the final stages of a plan to hijack and destroy a dozen jets over the Atlantic -- shows both sides of the coin. On the one hand, these were middle-class and supposedly well-assimilated British citizens. On the other, the group -- many of whom were teenagers -- clearly had no idea of what they were doing; they were a large group with no concept of "operational security" -- they had communicated via cell phone and email, and were easily detected by the intelligence agencies that closely monitored their activities for months before their arrests.

True international terrorism is extraordinarily rare

For years, the State Department tracked incidents of "international terror," the definition of which was any act of terror that involved a foreign national (or the property of a foreign national). If, for example, an American anti-abortion zealot were to bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic just down the street from his home, and a Canadian tourist were unfortunate enough to walk by at that moment and be injured, it would count as an act of "international" terrorism.

The truth is that real international terrorist attacks are extraordinarily rare. Aside from individuals crossing the borders of Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel and Kashmir, virtually all terrorism in the past decade has been perpetrated by citizens of the country where the attacks took place -- 9/11 being the notable exception.

The metrics are in -- we're creating more terrorists than we're capturing or killing

In 2003, in a Rumsfeldian moment of reflection, the secretary of defense wrote a memo in which he despaired that "we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror." He wondered whether we were "capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists" than are being recruited into extremist organizations.

Among Sunday talk show pundits, that question is still debated, but among actual security experts the question is all but settled: The "war on terror" -- and especially the occupation of Iraq -- is creating a new generation of violent radicals.

Britain's International Institute for Strategic Studies released a report claiming that Iraq has provided a "potent global recruitment pretext" for al-Qaida and has likely increased worldwide terrorism. "Christian nations' forcible occupation of Iraq, a historically important land of Islam, has more than offset any calming effect of the U.S. military withdrawal from Saudi Arabia," the IISS said.

Studies by the Saudi government and an Israeli defense think tank "painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States [and] found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself."

As the Christian Science Monitor's Tom Regan noted, "the respected Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, and the Economic and Social Research Council, have said that British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan 'have put Britain at a greater risk of attack.'"

Foreign Policy surveyed 100 top American foreign policy experts, 87 percent of whom (including seven in ten identified as conservatives) said that the occupation of Iraq had made a negative impact on the "war on terror."

We're losing the "war on terror" because of a fundamental disconnect: the widespread belief that it's a literal, military war when in fact it's a media war, a war of perception. We have two strikes against us in that fight because of historical realities: We do have a long history of propping up repressive governments in the Middle East, and we have shown time and time again that our rhetoric about democracy and human rights takes a backseat to assuring stable oil supplies. Nevertheless, the fact that millions of people around the world "hate" us is of little consequence; the International Institute of Strategic Studies estimates that there are as many as 18,000 potentially violent Islamic extremists worldwide, and a central goal of U.S. policy should be to keep that number from rising. Iraq, prisoner abuses in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay -- the "war on terror" itself -- all of it is capable of moving people from the "hate us" column into the "violent extremist" category. It would be hard to imagine a more counterproductive approach to containing terrorism than the Bush Doctrine.

We're not doing what should be done for our security

Terrorism would be a great, existential threat if extremists could get their hands on weapons of mass destruction.

Last year, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee released a report, "based on a compilation of commentary by 85 expert groups on nonproliferation," that estimated that there's a 70 percent chance of a nuclear, biological or chemical attack in the next decade.

The Nunn-Lugar program was established at the end of the Cold War to secure and dismantle Russian 'WMD.' Sam Nunn, the former senator and co-sponsor of the program, told a C-Span audience that the program could be completed -- and expanded to other countries -- for $20 billion to $30 billion.

But President Bush's 2006 budget request for the program was just $415 million. That's down more than 10 percent from what Clinton requested in his last year in office. We can secure the world's most threatening materials for a tenth of what we've spent to "democratize" Iraq, but instead we're approaching the task with a 15-year plan.

At a public hearing on counterterrorism in 2004, Nunn testified that: "We are in a race between cooperation and catastrophe, and the threat is outrunning our response."

Much of that is because it's dismissed as "foreign aid." A statement on the website of Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, cuts to the heart of the issue:
... [F]rom the beginning, we have encountered resistance to the Nunn-Lugar concept ... motivated by false perceptions that Nunn-Lugar money is foreign assistance or by beliefs that Defense Department funds should only be spent on troops, weapons or other warfighting capabilities.
Measures like Nunn-Lugar are not as exciting as watching glowing green bombing runs on CNN. But while taking an intelligent approach to the issue of terrorism may not be as gratifying for some people as the sense that we're fighting a great global war, doing so is a matter of national security. And a sound approach starts with getting some perspective.

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I've got your "perspective" right here...
Posted by: johndoraemi on Sep 11, 2006 12:19 AM   
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9/11 Press For Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083

Brand new film uses Paul Thompson's Complete 9/11 Timeline as the spine of this in-depth investigation into 9/11, Al Qaeda, and the cover-up.

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» Actually, not at all ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» An actual response? Posted by: johndoraemi
AmeriTaliban
Posted by: brunowe on Sep 11, 2006 12:28 AM   
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--while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops [and] the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn't violate the 'separation of church and state'…"

Actually, if you substitute Christian fundamentalist for Taliban and Biblical for sharia, you have a less dubious possibility.

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anti-terrorism
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 11, 2006 1:21 AM   
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The Bushies' anti-terroism policies may seem to some to have worked to reduce terrorism attacks in the US but what has really worked to reduce these attacks in the the US is that the Bushies have stopped subsidizing and helping these attacks to occur like they did for 9/11. That's right, they helped 9/11 to occur so they could use it as an excuse to expand their own brand of terrorism to Iraq and elsewhere and as an excuse to reduce our own freedoms so they could move us toward a more fascistic regime. Our successful anti-terrorism procedure would be to impeach the Bushies and elect a more decent government.

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» RE: anti-terrorism Posted by: Lauren
The Best War Ever
Posted by: Rshaw on Sep 11, 2006 2:44 AM   
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It feels like we are being subjected to a revisionist history on 9-11

Check out this new short online video called "The Best War Ever" on how our government propaganda machine tries to keep us not only in Iraq but convince us Iran and Syria maybe good ideas too.



Found out about this from a COA News Alert

Hope you like this video as much as I did

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Sex and Fear
Posted by: churchofone on Sep 11, 2006 3:29 AM   
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It's what sells...........

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» RE: Sex and Fear Posted by: spanky
Blaming Bush will not help!
Posted by: rnagisetty on Sep 11, 2006 4:21 AM   
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Fearmongering and warmongering are as iconic as Mom's apple pie. Until we realize that the thirst for blood is very deep in human psyche and more so in the American psyche, nothing will change. Democrats and Republicans are alike. It was Truman who used the only atom bombs dropped on civilians, it was Wilson who chose to participate in the WWI. To this day 30 to 40% of Americans support this war in Iraq. In the beginning it was almost 80%. They changed their minds only because we are losing the war.
Thus once we realize that we are as morbid as the Nazis or anybodyelse in history, we have a hope of reflection and can make an effort to tame the beast. If all we do is blame Bush, Cheney, and Rice, we are treading the marshland.
It is the people stupid not the leaders!

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There is no war on terror, it's ChristoFascism on crusade
Posted by: mat38 on Sep 11, 2006 4:23 AM   
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Bush, his Zionist allies and his Christo Fascist minions are waging war to bring about Armageddon. Religious Christion crazies are running America into the ground (and profiting handsomely thank you) hoping that Jesus H Fucking Christ will rise from some mysterious grave, or descend in human form down from the sky and save his true believers while smiting the rest of earths inhabitants. If that's not some gonzo whacked out cult like the nuts who committed mass suicide to hop a ride on some non-existent aline spacecraft than I'm from the planet Gloixcubopvol and you are my servants.

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» Where are they? Posted by: mat38
So why even write about WTC 911 at all?
Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 11, 2006 4:49 AM   
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I agree that terrorism is overblown and us used by those at the of the social hierarchy for their own purposes.

So why write about it at all?

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Something This Way Wicked Comes
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Sep 11, 2006 5:03 AM   
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Airplanes were first used as terrorist weapons in the 70's and those terrorist attacks that were spawned by retribution of one regional group against another was during the '76 Muich Olympics. The WTC was the sole target for terrorism in this country as the first attempt was in 1993. It took eight years for terrorists to make it work. It was their one and only mission. Their success has been guaranteed beyond expecation not by the act but by the response.

History will view the how the US populaton reacted to this attack with more shock, awe and comdemnation than the events of 9/11. Why did the world's singular superpower wallow in vicimization, feel so impotent when they had the largest military ever created on this planet and overnight target entire foreing popluations with revenge via lethal force almost overnight?

"Something this way wicked comes" and it is not outside our country but inside. It is our own fear of losing our power, our world dominance, our material goods along with the guilt that we exploit other countries for our self interests, that we have not exported democracy but our form of "globalization" that decimates local communities and regional identities and the our own grandiose religiousity may be challened by others?

From my view we have already lost the challenge to construct a future where our leadership and position is accepted or respected. While we follow the rantings of those who understand only power and force other countries; China, India, Russia, will surpass us economically, socially and globally. They will in time dictate Mid East policy for they are the future comsumers of oil. That is if global warming does not reduce the planet to devastating climate changes first. And this administration in time will be identified as the Pied Pipers who lead the way and all those who followed will be just as guilty.

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the imagninary
Posted by: karyse on Sep 11, 2006 5:25 AM   
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I, personally, have not encountered a single individual who actually fears that he or she might be a terrorist victim, and neither have I seen anyone change anything about their life on account of it.

That leads me to the inescapable conclusion that not only is the media entirely responsible for the creation of the so-called "threat," (a threat which the majority of citizens know is not real), but they are also responsible for creating an imagnary "fearful population."

Now, there may be a vocal minority who use the IDEA of terrorism to their own ends -- mostly the "jesus is coming any day" crowd -- but besides having to spend so much money on gas to get to work, nothing much has changed on a day to day level. The rich are still getting richer, the poor still can't get medical attention, the working class can barely make ends meet, the politicals are still telling lies, and the rest of the world thinks America is insane.

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PERSPECTIVE requires REFLECTION
Posted by: wawa on Sep 11, 2006 5:45 AM   
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Not everyone in the USA was mainipulated by FEAR,
Those of US who
ARE WIDE AWAKE
researched, journeyed into Occupied Territory
and WRITE:


September 11, 2006 WAWA BLOG
"If it keeps on raining, the levee's gonna break
If it Keeps on raining, the levee's gonna break,
Some people are still sleeping,
Some people ARE WIDE AWAKE"-Bob Dylan 2006 "Modern Times"

Five years ago to this very Tuesday in September, Bob Dylan's previous most recent release, "Love and Theft" came out. Last week, the sixty-five year old legend released "Modern Times" and Dylan has kept the party going.

THAT DAY, five years ago when the Twin Towers fell and the Pentagon tattered, I didn't know anything about it until 12:45 PM when my daughter phoned from high school. She wanted to know if it was the end of the world, and I wondered the same too, when I turned the TV on.

I also recalled a song I first heard in 1981:

"See the massacre of the innocent...City's on fire... phones out of order... I see the turning of the page. Curtain's rising on a new age. See the Groom still waiting at the altar." -Bob Dylan, 1981, "Shot of Love"

The "Shot of Love" album had been Bob's third in a row with some indisputable Christian themes. The Groom is a biblical metaphor for Christ, and the Bride is understood to be a lover of God. For a Christian this great analogy takes the fear out of death, for ones physical demise releases one to union with God. Thus, the release in dying can be anticipated to be one incredible cosmic orgasm.
But on that day, we call 9/11 after the shock and awe had passed from the initial images of smoke and despair, I quit hearing Bob Dylan in my head, and then recalled a passage from II Chronicles 6:1:

"The Lord has said that he would dwell in thick darkness."

I have recalled that verse often in the aftermath of the way America chose to respond to a few angry men who hated America so much that they could target and murder innocent people. I also wonder about the words of Lincoln and how he always reflected upon if the Nation was on Gods side.

But, five years ago on that day in September that the world stood still, Bob Dylan's "Love and Theft" was released and even though my heart was heavy and I wanted to stay glued to the TV, life continued.

I had a hair appointment that afternoon and had already planned on picking up Bob's latest. I did both those things and I still do visit that hairdresser every six weeks. Not an appointment goes by that we don't both recall that we spent a few hours together watching TV on that day that changed the world as we had known it.

On my way home, I popped "Love and Theft" into the CD player of my Explorer [which I traded in for an economical Acura four years ago] and for the twenty minute drive, I was transported to a different place and a new time. Bob sounded like he was having fun, but I really couldn't get into it that day, for once again, an earworm from 1981 had returned.

On any given TV station, or the Internet, one can readily see the massacre of the innocent, cities on fire, and phones go out of order. When I reflect on that day we call 9/11, I see the turning of a page and a curtain has risen on a new age. Life as we had known it prior to 9/11, will not return, for Big Brother has grown.


TBC-

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TBC- PERSPECTIVE and REFLECTION
Posted by: wawa on Sep 11, 2006 5:47 AM   
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On the fifth anniversary of that day we call 9/11, I recall two things, the first being the words of the most radical of all the founding fathers, Tom Paine who penned words of wisdom still unheeded:

"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."

I also recall a parable, a short story that Christ told about a Bridegroom and ten Virgins. In ancient times, weddings went on for days [if not weeks] and anyone who accepted an invitation to a wedding understood it was a commitment of time and money, for jobs were abandoned in order to be at the happening.

The custom of the time was for the Bridegroom to decide exactly when the wedding occurred. It could be the first day of festivities or even the ninth! No one knew when the Groom would appear, and the story Christ told was about ten virgins waiting for their man. Five were unprepared for his arrival and were out shopping when he came, so they were left out of the Bridal Chamber and you can imagine how frustrating that would be.

Parables are stories that invite the reader to decide who they relate to and what it means to them. Christ didn't hit his listeners over the head with his message; he led by example not lectures.

Christ did tell his listeners to wake up, to stay alert as no one knows when the end of time will come, but that one shouldn't be concerned about that anyway, but instead occupy oneself with doing right, with doing good, and to not be out shopping when the Groom is on the way.

Christ was never a Christian; but he was a radical, social justice revolutionary Palestinian Jewish Road Warrior who told his followers to go out and make disciples; and a disciple is one who follows and does what the Master teaches.

Christ had very few friends inside the Temple Authority for he challenged their job security by claiming the people didn't require ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be ok with God. Christ told the people the revolutionary and radical news that God was already within them. The authority of God, up until then, had been external, but what Christ did, was place God in the very hearts of his hearers. Christ didn't lecture them; he told stories that allowed them to draw their own conclusions. Christ taught by example and he presupposed that his listener already knew it all. Christ's message was that the Divine authority is in the heart of every human being. This was then and still is now a revolutionary thought. Rome crucified Christ because he disturbed the status quo of the Empire which ruled by oppression while Christ taught liberation.


The immanence of God and the Divine in the human heart and throughout the ages, has always inspired poets, musicians, writers, artists and prophets, even in modern times.

"If it keeps on raining, the levee's gonna break
If it Keeps on raining, the levee's gonna break,
Some people are still sleeping,
Some people ARE WIDE AWAKE"-Bob Dylan 2006 "Modern Times"

-eileen fleming

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The fear of "terrorism" is indeed ironic
Posted by: xi_people on Sep 11, 2006 6:43 AM   
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While Americans "live in fear" of "terrorism" and another 9/11, isn't it interesting that most don't seem to realize that their own government is either creating or abetting 9/11s all over the world? Do you think that the Iraqis might tend to view "shock & awe" as a catastrophic, life-changing event? I sure do.

Do you think that the Lebanese might tend to view the near-complete destruction of their country's infrastructure by Isreali's wielding American weapons as being much more destructive than 9/11? They certainly have a reason to do so.

In general, Americans don't seem to want to examine their own government's murderous activities too closely, preferring to bury their heads in the sand with the truly ridiculous "they hate us for our freedoms" meme. There is monstrous evil being perpetrated by the American government, and somewhere down the line its citizens are going to have to pay the bill.

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TRYING TO GET A GRIP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 11, 2006 6:55 AM   
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Check out Dick's interview with Russert yesterdy. Our VP is the great merchant of fear. They all appear to be hysterical. Everybody's making speeches and it's wearing thin. Iraq is a tradgedy and Afghanistan woke up after a nap. Tony Blair is all but gone. I believe that our leaders are trying to get a grip on their own fears. They've spent five years spreading their disease and now they've caught it themselves. What a high price we have to pay. VOTE VOTE VOTE!
Thanks, ANNA

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Actually, it is -- Something Wicked This Way Comes
Posted by: cold2touch on Sep 11, 2006 7:47 AM   
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And yes, Josh Holland is right, even as Americans shiver in their cupboards in fear of Osama's flashing canines, the truth on the ground is that terrorism is a non-entity in North America, despite the oligarchs' best efforts to provoke it.

Even the fall of the Twin Towers (and WTC #7 that swooned in sympathy with others) resulted in a statistically negligible number of deaths, yet it exercises an inordinate hold on American psyche, like a gang of OJ Simpsons butchering a classroom of JonBenets.

9/11 was used as justification to kill somewhere between 100,000 and 250,000 people in Iraq and Afghanistan and resulted in fatal destruction of American economy, with Treasury taking a 1/2 trillion dollar hit.

And yet, the entire 9/11 may well have been engineered by the same lovely bunch who brought you Project for New American Century.
Indeed. More like Project for End of America.

At any rate, the number of traffic fatalities in 2005 was over 43,000, i.e., equivalent to a WTC destruction in each of 20 biggest cities in USA and not a god-damned peep from anyone. Smart, ain't we?

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edhowes
Posted by: edhowes on Sep 11, 2006 7:52 AM   
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Properly indoctrinated people think and do as they are told. Fearful people think and and do as they are told. Fearful, indoctrinated people volunteer to think and do as they are told. The nation obviously needs volunteers.

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Joshua THINK
Posted by: rwa on Sep 11, 2006 7:58 AM   
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"A review of media accounts shows that over the past six years Western governments claim to have foiled at least 37 large-scale terrorist attacks."

Where are the court proven specifics on these cases?

" That doesn't mean denying that Islamist terror is a real threat -- it certainly is "

Why do you accept these claims as real? We do know that these activities are modus operandi for security services (remember Bologna phony Red Brigades bombing, cointelpro, the Lavon affair,among countless others). Allegations of terror attacks on the U.S. are based on the thinnest of unproven non-sense.

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Fries, Professional Wrestling, and Terrorism
Posted by: particle on Sep 11, 2006 8:28 AM   
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Are we a warehouse full of scaredy cats, or are we really just a bunch of idiots obsessed with crap?

Tune in to Low Rent Nation and get your wall to wall junk info here.

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Seriously?
Posted by: Liger on Sep 11, 2006 8:48 AM   
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I can’t believe that you would recommend to people that terrorism isn’t a threat. Would you tell a wife or mother or girlfriend that had just been raped not to worry because the chances of being sexually assaulted again are really pretty low while rapists are planning their attack on their next victim? What the hell is wrong with you?

It also makes me really concerned that people are so complacent about September 11 and terrorism. The tone always seems to be that it’s not the fault of terrorists and fundamental fascist Islamic groups – rather it’s the fault our government for not preventing it from happening or for having policies that forced it to happen. Huh? How absolutely crazy and out of touch with reality do you have to be to believe that? I hope that people do get a grip on the reality that we live in an evil and dangerous world!

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This story is so wrong. Osama's propoganda station could have written it
Posted by: Bobsays on Sep 11, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Let's be really clear about this: as Lawrence Wright eloquently points out in the New Yorker, the past five years have only been phase 1 in a twenty year plan. We are now entering phase 2 (notice how things became quiet at the start of 2006, that's because they decided to focus on their long-term plans and get ready for phase 2).

The threat level has not disappeared. Anybody who believes this will be in for a nasty shock. Most terrorism experts see a clear pattern in the flurry of al Qaeda videos coming out in the past two weeks. They point clearly to the next wave of attacks, which are coming soon.

Rather than the left disappearing up the 'there is no terrorist threat' alley, the left should instead be engaging in intelligent debates about strategies and tactics for the future.

The next couple of years will see the following (based on al Qaeda information that they have told us): a major catastrophic attack on the US, possibly Washington DC, a massive increase in attacks on the Gulf states and Israel (and maybe a missile strike by Iran on Israel, killing many), serious battlefield defeats in Afghanistan and Iraq which will test our tolerance of casualties.

We need to stay alert, decide on what to do with muslims in our countries (a mainstream muslim in the UK has theatened the country faces two million terrorists in its midst), and work out how we become safer over twenty years, not in a nano-blip, TV generation moment. I know modern people have the attention span of attention-deficit semi-retarded fly, but its time to stay focused and see this through.

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Public policy
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 11, 2006 8:55 AM   
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Thank you, Joshua, for this excellent column. Your first two paragraphs are great!

I think the possibility of being involved in a terrorist attack is almost as remote as having a comet hit the earth in our lifetime. I so wish our "leaders" (leading does not actually seem to be one of their qualities) had some common sense. But I guess you're right, that would require them to make decisions based on the best interests of the common people of the United States.

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Terrorism and Fear
Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 11, 2006 10:35 AM   
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Michael Moore's film BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE contains a great section on fear (his thesis is that our culture is founded on it, more or less) and how, from the inception of this nation, there has always been a fear of "the other" (which could've been African American, Native American, an immigrant, etc.). This fear, which we've held onto from our birth to the present, is what keeps us from focusing on real issues, which is the goal of those in power. Poverty, lack of education, lack of spending on infrastructure, lack of affordable healthcare, lack of affordable housing, lack of work, these are all legitimate fears which find little to no expression in the official channels. People focus on the irrational or illogical ("islamic jihadist," sex/sexuality, hell) in my view, because it's easier than focusing on the real issues. Americans are some of the most fearful people on earth, so in a way its fitting that we'd wage a war on terror, something we are (misguidedly) intimately familiar with.

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You want to see what terrorism is all about?
Posted by: cold2touch on Sep 11, 2006 12:45 PM   
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Watch terrorist factory.

It is so obvious, so glaringly clear, the only conclusion one can draw is that powers that be incubate Islamic terrorism on purpose, namely to obtain pretext for repression of home polulations.
This administration gets an A+ for job well done.

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Things to FEAR...?
Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 11, 2006 12:49 PM   
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Two years and four months more of Bu$hCo in office... Rigged e-voting machines set to keep rubber-stamp Congress Critters in office (or elect new ones who will ditto the rubber stampers)... Religious reich fascism infesting our government and churches getting more of *our* tax money while they impose their dogma on us... Corporate fascism taking over *our* government... lack of getting the McAdministration impeached and thrown in jail for high crimes and misdemeanors and war crimes....

Criminals who commit terrorist acts? Not even a blip on my radar screen.... Out in the dingtoolies the most damage a fanatic criminal could do is blow up himself and maybe a few squirrels. I realize people in larger cities might have some justified fears, but city dwellers must also realize that they should not inflict their fears on those of us who know full well we have little or no statistical probability of ever being the victim of a criminal who commits a terrorist act. Out in the dingtoolies the most we have to fear when we go to town is a drunk driver or some inattentive driver on a cell phone hitting us. "Terrorists" don't even make a fraction of one percent of the last place category in a list of potential things to fear.

Holland is right: Perspective, people... Perspective....

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Repeat After Me by Mike Whitney
Posted by: rwa on Sep 11, 2006 1:20 PM   
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People forget.

That’s why we need docu-dramas and mini-series to remind us of our history, like Monday’s anniversary of 9-11. "The Path to 9-11" is a good way to reconnect us to our roots, our collective history, and that fateful day "when everything changed".

Liberals have criticized the made-for-TV movie saying that it is riddled with inaccuracies, but that misses the larger point. American history is broken into two parts; the "Big Bang" (the origins of the universe) and 9-11; everything else is secondary.

9-11 was the defining moment of all human history; D-Day, Hiroshima, Waterloo, Gettysburg, Bunker Hill, all pale in comparison to the larger story of American suffering at the hands of 19 Islamic fanatics. It was a watershed event which swept away those nettlesome human rights laws and elevated the Dear Leader to his rightful place as global dictator.

Most of this is Clinton’s fault as "The Path to 9-11" points out. (although I suspect Ward Churchill had a hand in it, too) Clinton, who is played by Broderick Crawford, is seen philandering in the Lincoln bedroom (which he used to rent out to liberals) with Monica Lewinsky, played by Rosanne Barr. He completely ignores an Aug 12 PDM (CIA alert) saying, "Bin Laden vows to strike in America" because he is so engrossed in his "impeachable offense". Later Sandy Berger would try to conceal Clinton’s guilt by smuggling secret documents out of the national archive in his underwear. His threadbare boxers are now part of the damning evidence which proves that Clinton paved the way for Al Qaida to kill 3,000 Americans. The rest is history.

Persnickety liberals complain that this is not an accurate rendering of the facts, but these are generally the same people who don’t believe that Ronald Reagan single-handedly toppled the Soviet Union or who want the "under God" clause removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Many people suspect that Susan Sarandon is secretly engaged in a smear-campaign to derail "The Path to 9-11" from airing on ABC so that Americans won’t know the truth about how George Bush saved us from the Islamic hordes that were threatening to "kill us here if we don’t kill them in Baghdad"...

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A 911 Parable: The Wise Man and the Fool
Posted by: edhowes on Sep 11, 2006 1:55 PM   
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If over the past five years many of us in the United States have had the sense the inmates are running the assylum, it is because they are. As I considered writing an essay on remberance of something we are not allowed to forget, if we possibly could, I felt compelled to test this sense.

In order to test this sense, I chose to consult a Chinese war manual written more than 2000 years ago, which at the time of writing had been traditional military wisdom compiled over many centuries previous and passed within the ranks of great military generals orally. The manual is "Sun Tzu The Art of War". According to the translators at Sonshi.com, itself a very educational web site, this translation is the most accurate of all to date. The following are excerpts from the first 3 very short chapters of 13 total. I highly recommend the book to all people whether hawks or doves. It is a standard against which we can measure the very words of leadership:


A general who listens to my calculations, and uses them, will surely be victorious, keep him; a general who does not listen to my calculations, and does not use them, will surely be defeated, remove him.

When doing battle, seek a quick victory. A protracted battle will blunt weapons and dampen ardor. If the army is exposed to a prolonged campaign, the nation's resources will not suffice. When weapons are blunted, and ardor dampened, strength exhausted, and resources depleted, the neighboring rulers will take advantage of these complications. Then even the wisest of counsels would not be able to avert the consequences that must ensue. Therefore, I have heard of military campaigns that were clumsy but swift, but I have never seen military campaigns that were skilled but protracted. No nation has ever benefited from protracted warfare. Therefore, if one is not fully cognizant of the dangers inherent in doing battle, one cannot fully know the benefits of doing battle.

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The Wise Man and the Fool
Posted by: edhowes on Sep 11, 2006 1:57 PM   
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Those skilled in doing battle do not raise troops twice, or transport provisions three times. Take equipment from home but take provisions from the enemy. Then the army will be sufficient in both equipment and provisions. A nation can be impoverished by the army when it has to supply the army at great distances. When provisions are transported at a great distance, the citizens will be impoverished. Those in proximity to the army will sell goods at high prices. When goods are expensive, the citizens' wealth will be exhausted. When their wealth is exhausted, the peasantry will be afflicted with increased taxes. When all strength has been exhausted and resources depleted, all houses in the central plains utterly impoverished, seven-tenths of the citizens' wealth dissipated, the government's expenses from damaged chariots, worn-out horses, armor, helmets, arrows and crossbows, halberds and shields, draft oxen, and heavy supply wagons, will be six-tenths of its reserves. Therefore, a wise general will strive to feed off the enemy. One bushel of the enemy's provisions is worth twenty of our own.

Mix the captured chariots with our own, treat the captured soldiers well.

Generally in warfare, keeping a nation intact is best, destroying a nation second best; keeping an army intact is best, destroying an army second best.

Therefore, there are five factors of knowing who will win: One who knows when he can fight, and when he cannot fight, will be victorious; one who knows how to use both large and small forces will be victorious; one who knows how to unite upper and lower ranks in purpose will be victorious; one who is prepared and waits for the unprepared will be victorious; one whose general is able and is not interfered by the ruler will be victorious. These five factors are the way to know who will win. Therefore I say: One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. (End of Excerpts)


Five years past Osama and George to war did go. Both promising victory, not necessarily in their lifetimes. Based on ancient military wisdom, one follows the calculations of victory, one follows the calculations of defeat. One is wise. One is a fool. Can you now tell which is which? Then you can trust your sense the inmates are indeed running the assylum.

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US Terrorism Continues Unabated
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 11, 2006 3:03 PM   
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US Terrorism Unabated:

1. US support of Israel. Thousands murudered by USA supplied cluster bombs and various munitions supplied to the apartheid state of Israel. Israeli crimes against humanity sancitioned by the USA include invasion of Lebanon, routine torture, incarceration and murder of Palestinian and Arab refugees and the illegal seizure of land.

2. The Iraq War. Massive and continued atrocities by US forces against a civilian population trying to defend itself. The sanctioning of rape and murder by US forces against the Iraqi people.

3. Human rights. Massive and warrantless spying against the US population. Routine monitoring via computer programs of US email and telephone conversations for "code words." Disappearance and torture used against dissidents, especially of Arab descent.

4. Class warfare. After the destruction of New Orleans, a systematic and deliberate non-provision of needed resources to rebuild and help the people. Destruction and non-funding of nearly all programs designed to benefit the poor and downtrodden in American society.

5. Theft of Elections. 2000 in Florida, 2004 in Ohio. President Bush elected by massive fraud and deceit.

6. Massive Diversion of Economic Wealth to Corporations. Via privatization and contracting, billions given to Halliburton, Becthel, GE and the like. The publics welfare neglected for the "pigs at the trough."

7. Corruption of Relgious Institutions. Support for right wing evangelical nonsense such as support of Israel because "the Bible says so" or in "preparation of Armageddon." The use of religion and God to justify policies of murder and torture against citizens of the countries of Iraq and the Arab states. Propoganda to support "a holy crusade" against Muslims.

The list goes on and on. How do we stop USA terrorism???

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OMG! What a tard
Posted by: TooDamnCool on Sep 11, 2006 3:47 PM   
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I almost had to stop reading after the first line of this piece of garbage: “The threat posed by terrorists - like that of the Soviet menace during the Cold War - has been massively exaggerated, and the public is understandably terrified.”

Now, anyone who lived in behind the Iron Curtain or has any real knowledge of the Warsaw Pact and its intentions towards Europe know that Holland’s first erroneous statement sets the tone for the entire article. The idea that the Soviet threat was exaggerated is one, interestingly enough, has been pushed by the political left ever since the end of the Second World war. Although contradicted by individuals like Ryszard Kuklinski, Pacepa, and dozens of other former Soviet officials, the political left in the West has pushed this idea partially because it was paid by Moscow to do so, partially because it had a deep desire to see the Soviets succeeding the Cold War, and partially because they were so blinded by their religion of Scientific Socialism, they would never say anything to threaten or undermine it. The US always viewed the construction and deployment of nuclear weapons as a part of MAD and had no intention to use them, the Soviets however looked foreward to the day when they had the opportunity to fight and win a nuclear war.

Fortunately, we never listened to the left and gave them the opportunity to fight WW3.

Now, years later we hear the same garbage from the left again. Shortly before 9/11 there were hysterics from the left about Clinton’s anti-terrorism efforts. Media whore Larry “I was in the CIA” Johnson pontificated that terrorism was no longer a threat at all, and Larouchite/AlterNet contributor Robert Dreyfus claimed that all the money being spent on counter terrorism was just a front to prop up the dreaded “military industrial complex” once again claiming that he probability of an attack was so ridiculously low that it was unthinkable.

This article is just a schizophrenic amalgamation of the worst arguments put forth in this suicide pact the left seems intent in steering us into: Bush is doing too much, he isn’t doing enough, the threat does not exist, we are not doing the right things to negate the threat, 9/11 was preventable, 9/11 was inevitable … will you tards just pick a story and stick to it?

If you all want to keep your heads in the stand, then by all means do so. The real Americans have bailed us out before, and we will continue to do so again.

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Treasonous liberoterrists should be arrested
Posted by: texshelters on Sep 11, 2006 3:50 PM   
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You liberoterrists who ignore the potential future possibility of a maybe sometime somewhere terr'rist attack out there are giving aid and comfort to the terr'rists!! By not being in constant fear, you might enjoy yourself, and that just pisses Islamoterrorists off cause they don't like people havin' fun and such. They'll be more motivated to attack if you're not afraid.

Thus, liberals are damning the country to another eminent attack sometime. These liberoterrist might actually talk to people from the Middle East (who are all terr'rists) and thus give even more comfort to them. State secrets such as the plot to "Little Miss Sunshine", or the yards after catch by Terrell Owens might be discussed, and the terr'rists will find a way to git us.

Fear makes this country great. The proof is that we run everything now cause we can make fear better than anyone. So be afraid, be very afraid, even if there aint anything to be afeared of. It keeps us great!!

Yours,
Tex Shelters

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US Policy Today Supports First Use of Nukes
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 11, 2006 4:44 PM   
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Under President Bush, the policy is already to "pre-emptively" strike if desired. This includes using nukes, as some neocons have already proposed with Iran. As for the "cold war" the USA always had better and more nukes then the Russians and they were much closer to Russian soil, being stationed in Europe. It was always USA policy to use them quickly in the event of a war with Russia. Going all the way back to Korea, Vietnam, and the Cuban missle crisis, several prominent generals wanted to use nukes in those conflicts. Even President Bush is reported to have said he likes the idea that "nukes are available if he wants them." Therefore, it is logical to conclude that the USA embraces a "first strike" approach on the use of WMD. Why do you think Iran is trying to get them? Self-defense and deterrence.

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Warning: massive troll infestation!
Posted by: cold2touch on Sep 11, 2006 6:12 PM   
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Joshua Holland must be a marked man to have such loyal following.
It also means he is doing something right, although reading their punch drunk drivel feels like being caught in a locust plague.

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FDR?
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Sep 11, 2006 6:34 PM   
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Odd that Mr.Holland begins his diatribe with a famous qoutation from FDR considering that less people died in Pearl Harbor than in the 11-Sept attacks. Also interesting, is the fact that more civilian people died on 11-Sept than in Pearl Harbor. Most interesting because the same folks who think that 11-Sept was "an inside job" also believe that FDR "knew" about Pearl Harbor but allowed it to happen to get us into that war. Lastly, an interesting parallel between the speeches of WWII and the post-11Sept world: talk of "grand crusade", "evil empires", "axis", etc. One wonders in 50 years if Mr.Holland and his ilk will still express the same sentiments, or, if the Islamic Calphiate desired by some is created, if he even would be allowed too express his opinions.

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Bed-wetting ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Sep 11, 2006 7:08 PM   
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albrechtkrausse is curious:

One wonders in 50 years if Mr.Holland and his ilk will still express the same sentiments, or, if the Islamic Calphiate desired by some is created, if he even would be allowed too express his opinions.

One only wonders such things if one has no idea what one is talking about. Because the simple fact is that in all of human history no government has ever been deposed as a result of terrorist attacks alone. Not a single one.

And yet, there are among us people so irrational in their fear that they believe it's a realistic possibility that the first state to succumb will be the most powerful ever.

What a perfect example of my point.

I can guarantee that in 50 years, history will not judge such dark fantasies fondly.

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I believe Mr Holland's basic premise to be correct.......
Posted by: AFWXMAN on Sep 11, 2006 7:14 PM   
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The threat posed by terrorists - like that of the Soviet menace during the Cold War - has been massively exaggerated, and the public is understandably terrified.

This throw-away statement really doesn't help his arguement, though. The Soviet Union had nuclear weapons, lots of them, and they were pointed at us. The danger involved with nuclear weapons can scarcely be exagerated. However, there was some exageration involved in our views of the Warsaw Pact. We in the military really thought that they were 10 foot tall and bullet-proof, but the reality did not measure up!

However, I believe that Mr Holland's basic view of the situation is correct. America has over-reacted. Maybe that's because mainland US has never been bombed; I doubt most Europeans would have reacted the same way. What happened to the victims of 9/11 was a terrible, tragic thing, but to change our foreign policy in the way we have is dangerous and not justified.

I remember during the last presidential election both candidates were asked what the biggest threat the world faced was. Both candidates responded "nuclear proliferation". So, instead of dealing with nuclear proliferation we're dealing with insurgency in Iraq. Maybe in that we have a fear worthy of consideration.

Of course, somebody is bound to say that the nukes would be carried on the backs of terrorists! Doubt it.

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All it takes for evil to triumph is for enough good people to do nothing.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 11, 2006 7:26 PM   
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Is it more important to know 'why Bush/Cheney lie' than "Why England Slept"? It's just the other side of Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in Our Time."

The problem is incompetent politicians. And the source of that problem is an incompetent electorate. American voters are and have been fools for a long time. Democracy is the worst system of government...except compared to all the others.

Evil triumphs when enough good people do nothing. Two-tenths of one percent contribute to political campaigns? How much closer to 'nothing' can you get?

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Who is the greater terrorist
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Sep 11, 2006 8:37 PM   
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On 9/11 Thirteen Saudi Arabian terrorists killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans. Since then President Bush as Commander in Chief of American Forces is responsible for the deaths of over 30,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. Some by torture, some by bullet, and young women by rape,fire, then bullets. I ask you, who is the greater terrorist?

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History©: the manufacture and control of common experience
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Sep 12, 2006 6:36 PM   
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this is a short video about state and corporate use of digital propaganda (focussing mainly on how 9/11 was used to frenzy america into iraq).
it's curently being hosted at the huffington post. check it out
http://thesimulacra.cf.huffingtonpost.com

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double edged sword.
Posted by: yellow on Sep 12, 2006 10:54 PM   
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I always tend to agree with Joshua Hollander but I find the logic of his argument in this case to be a double edged sword. On the one hand a drastic decline in international terrorism could allow the Bush Administration to claim that their policies in the war on terror are effective. On the other hand, if, as some progressive analysts have claimed, that terrorism has only increased since 9/11 then the argument could be that military invasion and occupation is only stirring up more terrorism and is a miserable substitute for the real cure for international terror: close co-ordination between intelligance gathering (including covert attempts to infiltrate terrorist organizations) and local law enforcement agencies. Progressive writer and critic Stephen Zunes in his chapter on Afghanistan and the War on Terror in his book Tinderbox, claimed that Bush's strategy in the war on terror only produced opposite results for obvious reasons; (1) international terrorists like al-Qaeda don't need organized nation-state sponsership or as a base of operations since they are more mobile, elusive, secret, and effective as international cells, (2) war tends to increase the actual number of terrorists by destroying civilian infrastructure and innocent lives thus gaining angry recruits for the anti-western cause, (3) such a policy tends to stigmatize all muslims as bad guys thus drying up the needed supply of willing muslim intelligence collaborators needed to infiltrate these terrorist organizations as western operatives, and (4) a blanket overall militarized war on terror creates a political cover under which many repressive MidEast regimes can violate human rights on behalf of an international anti-terror effort thus spurring militant opposition movements to support the very terror that is to be avoided. It is certainly true that terror directed at the US is and has been minimal with the exception of 9/11. It is also undeniable that post-9/11 acts of terror have increased in response to US/UK imperialism in Afghanistan, Iraq, and their support Israeli oppression in Palestine. Terrorism in Spain, London and elsewhere in an effort to get the coalition out of the Middle East did actually occur. It was meant to send a clear message. The answer isn't more war and occupation but peace and a just resolution to the issues that have bred these horrible conflicts. It also means treating terror essentially as a law enforcement issue. The Bush war on terror was self defeating and had the opposite of intended effect. Let's recognize that fact!

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W - Chief terrorizer
Posted by: Edward George on Sep 13, 2006 1:42 PM   
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Bush has been comparing Iraq with WWII and the Cold War while evading the much more comparable Viet Nam. As a WW11 vet let me remind people that -

In WW11 we did not declare war on or attack them until after they attacked us and declared war on us. For those who think I'm only thinking about Pearl Harbor:
In 1941 my brother's ship was torpedoed off the coast of Iceland.
In 1942 I stood on Miami Beach's sands and saw five torpedoed ships burning on the horizon. (While my mother was the last civilian women on a ship from Panama to New Orleans.)
I do NOT remember ANY signs of panic, just calm determination. (There was much more fear related to the mostly fake Cold War.)

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Terrorism Statistics
Posted by: yellow on Sep 13, 2006 2:14 PM   
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In 2004, The US State Department decided to stop the publication of the annual report of the National Counterterrorism Council which had been tracking and publishing an annual report since 1985 when international terrorism last seemed to peak. The real reason seemed to be the fact that significant incidents of international terrorism lept from 175 in 2003, the year of the US invasion of Iraq, to 625 in 2004. The State Dept. suddenly decided the NCTC's accounting methods had to be overhauled and terrorism redefined but the real reason according to former CIA analyst Larry C. Johnson seems to be the implications for the rationale and success of Bush's tactics in the war on terror. The fact that invasion and occupation may in fact be worsening the international terrorism problem for everyone is something the Bush Administration just may want to suppress from public debate. The bombings in London and Madrid which occured well after the coalition invasion of Iraq, and indeed as a direct response to it, should well underline this point. The report, incidently, has never included in its total count acts of terror against coalition troops in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Dubya's take
Posted by: cold2touch on Sep 14, 2006 12:18 PM   
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"Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is no fear." --GWB, March 2003, speaking to neocon brothers at Heritage Foundation

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reality
Posted by: billj on Sep 16, 2006 12:34 AM   
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America faces three enemies

fascist nazi rogues using false flag terror to embolden a foolish public against a created enemy.

commie scum who subvert us from the inside with perversion of law and life

fascist rogues in other nations using this designed war to read from the NWO teleprompt in order to try to deceive you that they are against Bush, which is false. So buttmonkies. Good luck with your future of stagnation and the use of nonviolent protest, on 9/11 you saw what these a$$holes are willing to go to in order to bring themselves power.

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