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Rape, Murder, and the American GI

By Robin Morgan, Women's Media Center. Posted August 17, 2006.


We must not forget the death of Abeer, who was allegedly stalked, raped and killed by American soldiers. Abeer was 14 years old; her name means 'fragrance of flowers.'
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Rape, Murder, and the American GI
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Her birthday is August 19, her death day March 12.

We cannot let this crime, too, pass into oblivion.

When news surfaced that GIs allegedly stalked, terrorized, gang-raped, and killed an Iraqi woman, the U.S. tried minimizing this latest atrocity by our troops -- claiming the victim was age 25 or even 50, implying a rape-murder is less horrific if the victim is an older woman. Now, Article 32 hearings -- the military equivalent of a grand jury -- have ended at Camp Liberty, a U.S. base in Iraq (U.S. troops are exempt from Iraqi prosecution). In September, a general will rule whether the accused should be court-martialed. The defense already pleads post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD): in four months preceding the crime, 17 of the accused GIs' battalion were killed; their company, Bravo, suffered eight combat deaths.

But as the U.S. spun the victim's identity, investigators knew her name: Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

The soldiers noticed her at a checkpoint. They stalked her after one or more of them expressed his intention to rape her. On March 12, after playing cards while slugging whisky mixed with a high-energy drink and practicing their golf swings, they changed into black civvies and burst into Abeer's home in Mahmoudiya, a town 50 miles south of Baghdad. They killed her mother Fikhriya, father Qassim, and five-year-old sister Hadeel with bullets to the forehead, and "took turns" raping Abeer. Finally, they murdered her, drenched the bodies with kerosene, and lit them on fire to destroy the evidence. Then the GIs grilled chicken wings.

These details are from a sworn statement by Spc. James P. Barker, one of the accused along with Sgt. Paul Cortez, Pfc. Jesse Spielman, and Pfc. Bryan Howard; a fifth, Sgt. Anthony Yribe, is charged with failing to report the attack but not with having participated.

Then there's former Pfc. Steven Green. Discharged in May for a "personality disorder," Green was arrested in North Carolina, pled not guilty in federal court, and is being held without bond. He's the convenient scapegoat whose squad leader testified how often Green said he hated all Iraqis and wanted to kill them. Other soldiers said Green threw a puppy off a roof, then set it on fire. The company commander noted Green had "serious anger issues."

Who is this "bad apple"? A good ole boy from Midland, Texas.

"If you want to understand me, you need to understand Midland," says President Bush. Steven Green understands Midland -- his home until his parents divorced and his mother remarried when Green was eight, already in trouble in school. A high-school dropout, Green returned to Midland to get his GED in 2003. Then, in 2005, he enlisted. He immersed himself in a chapel baptismal pool at Fort Benning, Georgia -- getting "born again" while being trained how to kill legally and die heroically. He was 19, with three convictions: fighting, and alcohol and drug possession.

Once, the Army would have rejected him. But he enlisted when, desperate for fresh recruits, the Army started increasing, by nearly half, the rate at which it grants what it terms "moral waivers" to potential recruits. According to the Pentagon, waivers in 2001 totaled 7,640, increasing to 11,018 in 2005. "Moral waivers" permit recruits with criminal records, emotional problems, and weak educational backgrounds to be taught how to use submachine guns and rocket launchers. Afterward, if they survive, they'll be called heroes -- and released back into society. (One ex-soldier praising the military for having "properly trained and hardened me" was Timothy McVeigh).

The U.S. military is now a mercenary force. In addition to hired militias and "independent contractors," we do have a draft: a poverty draft. That's why the Army is so disproportionately comprised of people of color, seeking education, health care, housing. But the military inflicts other perks: teenage males, hormones surging, are taught to confuse their bodies with weapons, and relish that.


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Robin Morgan's new book, Fighting Words: A Toolkit for Combating the Religious Right, comes out in September (Nation Books). She is a co-founder of The Women's Media Center.

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What Can Anyone Say?......
Posted by: sirossisofliver on Aug 17, 2006 5:15 PM   
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I'd like to write something profound, pithy, or isightful......but, after reading and inwardly digesting this, all I really want to do is burn an Amerikan flag.....and then throw up!

This is NOT my government....it's NOT my America,.....it's NOT my military!

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Torture masquerading as rape
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 17, 2006 5:45 PM   
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With a President who says he has the right to authorize torture, what is the difference between Torture and Rape to the victim? Actually rape IS torture, and Mr. Bush has authorized torture as an acceptable tool for our glorious hero soldiers in their immortal war against Terrorists! So in the final analysis our glorious commander in chief now has raised an military force that inflicts terror, torture, rape, murder, plunder, etc. all in the name of fighting terror. It makes me, a former US Navy Sailor want to puke in shame for what the US Military has become following the order of our Most High Hero Commander in Chief.

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restless night
Posted by: larry278 on Aug 17, 2006 6:50 PM   
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This only a partial indictment, but a most damning indictment, of W, his handlers & sychophants as war criminals for their many crimes against humanity incident to starting & continuing a failed war. If this article ever penetrated W's bubble & W had the mental & moral capacity to understand it, could W imagine such a fate for one of his daughters & his family?

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» RE: restless night Posted by: Lauren
100,000 raped and killed in Yugoslavia?
Posted by: aburritt on Aug 17, 2006 7:58 PM   
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Author asks "Weren't 100,000 women and girls raped and killed in brothel-death-camps in the former Yugoslavia?"
Well, not that I know of. Reliable documentation of this would be welcomed.

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» Distortion Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: 100,000 raped and killed in Yugoslavia? Posted by: mikeshepherd@telus.net
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» and here Posted by: marklar
» A different proof Posted by: YogiBear
I'm sickened by this.
Posted by: wenoel on Aug 17, 2006 8:51 PM   
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After reading this I want to storm Washington and demand court marshals for these sick perverts. I want everyone in this country to know about it. I want their mother's, their grandmother's and their friends to know about it. I want Iraq to know America will not stand for this. War or no war it's NEVER acceptable and we will not condone it. I feel sick and disgusted and nauseated that an incident like this can happen but also that nothing more is being done. These men must be held accountable. They were representatives of our country and our government and us, the American people. This is a blody stain that can never be erased and all of America should be hanging their heads that any member of our armed forces could do such a despicable thing to anyone young, old, countryman or enemy. If this is an example of who is being accepted into our armed forces we have some serious, serious changes to make. I'm ashamed and repulsed.

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» RE: I'm sickened by this. Posted by: aussidawg
Makes me wish I hadn't just ate
Posted by: kit79 on Aug 18, 2006 12:51 AM   
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Understatement of the year but, what a seriously sick thing to do. Never have I seen someone in the street and though "I totally want to rape them and kill their family!"

And seriously, who cares what age (or gender) the rape victim was (the entire family are the victims, obviously)? It doesn't make the entire crime any less sick!

"Rape is only bad if you take away her virginity so some other guy can't have it. Otherwise, it's just sort of naughty." Yeah, whatever.

And I thought the sickest rape case I'd heard was the gal and her brother in Pakistan a couple years ago who got raped as punishment for the brother's talking with a girl of another tribe. But the added murder of the family in this case takes the cake hands down.

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» RE: Makes me wish I hadn't just ate Posted by: bansidh@citlink.net
hell
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 18, 2006 12:52 AM   
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War is hell which turns soldiers into hellions capable of committing any atrocity. Get our soldiers out of Iraq before the people of every other nation in the world hate Americans.

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» Too Late She Cried Posted by: Peter Boyd
Bush's Final Legacy
Posted by: cynyk on Aug 18, 2006 4:40 AM   
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This will be the final legacy of a wisecracking fratboy who owes everything he is to his daddy's well-placed freinds. He sent our kids off to a brutal insurgent conflict which will leave thousands of them emotionally crippled for the rest of their lives. Then, like little time bombs, their rage will eventually explode upon us in individual acts of crazed violence.

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» RE: Bush's Final Legacy Posted by: marklar
» RE: Bush's Final Legacy Posted by: sirossisofliver
» RE: Bush's Final Legacy Posted by: willymack
The Rape of Innocents
Posted by: kgs1947 on Aug 18, 2006 5:09 AM   
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The rape of every innocent being...female or male...by our military is on the heads of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice. They need to be brought to international justice for crimes against humanity. Every general, fuck the four stars...needs to be submitted to everything they put their enlisted men through and more, and then raped! How would they feel then about their warrior-phallic weapons of power and torture!

I am ashamed of this country and it's government. We are a nation that knows no evil because we are the lily white handed addicts in denial. We have our heads so deeply buried in the sand that that only leaves our asses exposed to the next bomb. We torture and rape and expect no consequences! WOW....how sick can that be?!

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» RE: The Rape of Innocents Posted by: elmertwittle
A wonderful expose written with grace on a subject of shame
Posted by: marklar on Aug 18, 2006 5:53 AM   
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It's difficult to comment on such a moving article is this one is. The tears, Fragrence of Flowers, a little girl living the horrors of war, the nightmare of evil that Osama Bin Laden warned all Muslims that America will bring to them. What more can be said?

The U.S. military, as I have said before and will continue to say, has gone from a proud Band of Brothers in World war II to a disgraceful Band of Sadists, Rapists and Murderers as they are today.

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» Lowered Standards Posted by: sirossisofliver
How long before
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Aug 18, 2006 5:54 AM   
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Conservasaurus shows up to justify this crime as essential to the war of terror?

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I am struck by similarity
Posted by: cold2touch on Aug 18, 2006 5:59 AM   
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bewteen Ameer's facial expression and JonBenet Ramsay's.

Could there be some kind of a switch that is turned on for pedophiles?

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» RE: Moreover Posted by: cold2touch
Woman General
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Aug 18, 2006 6:05 AM   
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The general who was in charge of Abu Ghraib was a woman.

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Whaterver
Posted by: Ouelle on Aug 18, 2006 6:15 AM   
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is done won't be nearly enough. I can say that with confidence. It looks like they already have their convenient scapegoat pegged and the rest of them will get a slap on the wrist. The higher ups who let or direct these incidents will never pay for their crimes let alone the president. Do we honestly believe that peon Lindy Engalnd was responsible for Abu Garihb?

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THE SMELL OF FLOWERS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 18, 2006 6:37 AM   
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What a tradegy. I'm the mother of 3 daughters. I can't imagine what it would be like to live this story. But I have to look at this young man and wonder what it would be like to be his mother. Under unprecedented incompetent leadership, the military has lowered it's requirements to beef up enlistments. It isn't working. There's just so much people can be 'trained' to do, and not do. He simple did not belong in combat. No winner here. Everybody loses. ANNA

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» RE: THE SMELL OF FLOWERS Posted by: digitalspy
Honouring all lives
Posted by: wisewebwoman on Aug 18, 2006 7:06 AM   
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The opportunity was there immediately after 9/11. But instead, in the name of the tragically fallen in the Twin Towers, evil and horrific acts were committed against children such as Abeer. Countless children. The disregard for these lives and those of their parents and familities and the lives of these often mentally challenged, marginallized and impoverished soldiers is appalling. The circle keeps getting wider and wider, atrocity after atrocity. Absolutely no good will ever come of this. The evil empire of the U S of A was formed in the coup d'etat of 2000 (some say even before) and for the republic to be brought to a state of grace takes another in the form of a We the People declaration and a massive insurgency. It starts with self-respect. I don't see it in this current occupation.

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» RE: Honouring all lives Posted by: willymack
15 years as a woman's advocate
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 18, 2006 7:41 AM   
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I lost count of how many rape surviviors I have sat with as they are processed through the hospital and police stations. And still, reading about another rape/murder affects me as deeply as it did the first time.
Rape is not a sexual act. It is all about power over. Cowards rape. The act reassures the rapist that HE is in control, that he has power.
I heard a young soldier on NPR recently, talking about being in Iraq and being told that they were there to help the Iraqi people. But he said "We didn't know how to do that. We're not trained to help people. We're trained to hate the enemy and to kill them. And because of that training, we did a lot of really bad things."

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Wake up to reality
Posted by: Pof on Aug 18, 2006 7:48 AM   
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Wake up to reality about the GI’s :

they’re no better or worse than any other soldiers. They’ve never been.

The French raped countless women in Italy in 1944-45. Let's not mention the Red Army, whose members raped hundreds of thousand women in Germany during the same period. How 'bout the GI's, Beloved Defenders or Western Moral Christian Values?

Prof. J. Robert Lilly, who teaches sociology and criminology at Northern Kentucky University, has conducted a thorough research on recently declassified Pentagon documents regarding WWII. He has interviewed countless witnesses, and arrived to the following figures : between 1942 and 1944, in the UK (an allied country), 2,500 rapes or murders were committed by US troops. In France (a liberated country), about 3,500 in a year time. In occupied Germany, more than 11,000.

When you know that in general only between 5 and 10% of rapes are reported, the numbers are frightening.

121 rapists were charged in the UK, two thirds of them white. 27 were court martialed, sentenced to death, most of them black.

In France, 116 US soldiers were convicted and subsequently hung in public. 81% were black.

In Germany, 187 soldiers were court martialed. Their youngest victim was three-years old. No soldier was executed, following a direct order from Eisenhower. For military justice, what was considered a rape in the UK or France was, in Germany, « an unlawful sexual relationship with an unmarried woman ».

Prof. Lilly wrote a book about it. For some reason, he could not find a publisher in the US (freedom of speech, I understand you call it). The book has been published in France (La Face cachée des GI’s, Payot, Paris, 2003).

For the French-speaking, enlightening excerpts here :
sorry, link's too long. www.cairn.info, then click "Vingtieme siecle, revue d'histoire", then n°75, then "L'armee americaine et les viols en France". Sorry for this mess, it's my first post ever.

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» RE: Wake up to reality Posted by: albrechtkrausse
and there will be more of this
Posted by: Maryanne on Aug 18, 2006 9:44 AM   
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because standards are being lowered to get more people into the military, which is not meeting its quotas. When you get people who have sociopathic tendencies, members of white supremacist hate groups, young offenders, etc. you are not dealing with "the best military in the world." You are dealing with people who not only have no respect for law, but also have little comprehension of law and of morality.

Therefore, if this type of recruiting is allowed and if we continue this insane drive to "democratize" the Middle East (and elsewhere), more of this horrendous behavior can be expected. So don't be surprised when it does.

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I'll say don't. Don't shoot the messenger though....
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Aug 18, 2006 9:45 AM   
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The fact is men are bad by nature. Its sad but true is that war the worst in men comes out, unless vigorously supressed by their training and CO's. Unfortunately, we've been skimping on training and accepting soldiers from questionable background (and even from other countries). Rape has been used for thousands of years. Its ugly and because of this is a 'weapon' to terrorise the enemy and exact revenge. We also have a puritanical streak that supposes that 18yr olds can exist with out any sexual release (we prohibit fraternisation between troops but allow men and women to serve together, we have OUTLAWED our troops from using prostitutes during R+R, we have the "don't ask don't tell", and we have extended their rotation for months and months). Is it any surprise that, free from all laws, and trained in misogny that some would take advantage of the local women under their control?

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» Take advantage!? Take advantage!? Posted by: cold2touch
Misha
Posted by: mishablue on Aug 18, 2006 9:56 AM   
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I've been reading the Code Pink and Suzanne Swift blogs, and I've come across mentions of military males being raped. Could the abnormal number of young American military men committing suicide in Iraq be because of PTSD from having been sexually assaulted?

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RE: A real danger.
Posted by: willymack on Aug 18, 2006 10:11 AM   
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The assumption that ANY culture or people are "backward" could quickly make a fool out of you and even get you killed. "Assumption is the mother of all fuckups". Believe it; it's true.

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Fast Friends Update. This Saturday is It!
Posted by: ilyanaoo on Aug 18, 2006 10:19 AM   
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We, Port Orchard Citizens Against War(POCAW) have been organizing a vigil for Abeer and her family to take place on her birthday, August 19th . You can join us in spirit or in fact from 3pm to 4pm Pacific Daylight Time at:
Etta Turner Park
1327 Bay Street
Port Orchard, WA..
We will light 15 candles.
We are also in the early stages of organizing a fund raiser for Abeer's little brothers, who found their family after the attack. At this point we are not accepting funds, but we are accepting pledges..
Personally, I'm pledging to fast on the 19th of each month from tomorrow till August 19, 2007, which would have be Abeer's 16th birthday had she lived. I will donate $10.00 for each fast day (an approximation of what I would have eaten in groceries for a day) which I'll supply when I locate a Charity to sponsor the fund raiser. I am inviting all who want to be Fast Friends to do the same (or better, or whatever you feel inspired to pledge.) I contacted Etta Projects to be a possible sponsor... and will post developments on my website and on my diary at Daily KOS, as they occur..
This is a direct way Americans could respond to this horror, and a possible intervention against two more Iraqis growing up to be terrorists.
Read more at:
Choice Changes.

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RE: A real danger.
Posted by: Ouelle on Aug 18, 2006 10:20 AM   
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Your blaming foreign cultures for the actions of American serviceman is backwards and disgusting. And where did you hear of the "human dog"? Provide evidence because I am sure you made that utter crap up.

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I don't think the soldiers should be charged
Posted by: spittybanned on Aug 18, 2006 10:29 AM   
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I don't think any of our soldiers should be charged with anything especially if they are enlisted men and women and not officers. Like it or not rape and killing is a part of war. Always has been and always will be.

Asking people to do brutal things in the name of their government etc means they are stripped of their humanity and empathy in order to kill and mame because ordered.

How do you think such things are possible--to kill when you do not have your own reasons to kill but only instructions from a higher up.

I'm sorry she was only 14 and had to endure this. The American people and Gov are responsible for her death not the soldiers.

The soldiers are doing your bidding so you won't have to.

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» well... Posted by: Blue Heron
» RE: well... Posted by: bornxeyed
RE: A real danger.
Posted by: cstrut on Aug 18, 2006 10:54 AM   
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Perhaps you should read more about our own culture before you start making idiotic statements about other cultures. Did you know that will our culture first blooming American soldiers made a habit of raping young indian women and then mutilating them and using the skin as things such as boots, coin purses, belts etc...Of course you didn't because reading is an activity that requires some abstract cognitive thinking and why do that when FAUX news is just a remote control click away.

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Just a simple thanks
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Aug 18, 2006 11:18 AM   
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to Alternet for publishing this. The more the word gets out about the awful truths about this conflict, the better.

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No Surprise
Posted by: maven on Aug 18, 2006 11:24 AM   
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After my own rape experience in 1975, I found that the feminist movement of the time gave me the most information for empowerment and one of the most profound documents of that time was Susan Brownmiller's book on rape, "Against Our Will". Our nation was just coming out of Viet Nam and feelings were running high. It was enormously difficult to read the chapter about rape and war which included significant references to atrocities committed by our soldiers (and my generation) in Viet Nam.
But, make no mistake, after reading about rape in past wars and the institutionalizing of rape and prostitution in military culture, the behavior of our soldiers in Iraq is no surprise. Still enormously tragic, still enraging, but no surprise. I know I have spent the last 30 years working hard not to just lapse into morbid hatred of men for behaviors such as these, but what have men done to rein in such behavior? Clearly not enough and sometimes seemingly next to nothing. Men as well as women need to push hard to recategorize these behaviors as violent crimes, not just boys will be boys and soldiers will be soldiers.

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To be clear...
Posted by: imagenuitybot on Aug 18, 2006 12:18 PM   
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It takes fear of social reprecussions to control behavior. If there is no stimulus from the environment that instills these mores or if an individual has become isolated (even in a big city) due to their mental state then *all* kinds of horrid behavior become as probable as petty crimes are here in the states.

Our societies have evolved over time, our tendencies have not.

Accountability and tight social networks are the best deterrent for these kind of atrosive behaviors.

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Before we go overboard
Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Aug 18, 2006 12:22 PM   
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remember that there are thousands of thousands of troops in Iraq. I would wonder how many gangrapes occur with that same number in new york.

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No American hands are clean
Posted by: spittybanned on Aug 18, 2006 12:32 PM   
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Your hands are just as dirty as your delegate's, Rummy. Your hands are just as dirty as these soldiers. Stop with the high and mighty talk.

Your hearts are too soft and many of you could NEVER BE SOLDIERS. You don't want to see and understand what goes on in times of war. Please put your blinders back on and stop reading shit like this if it is going to make you cry.

My hands are dirty too. Everytime I fill up my tank understand how completely filthy they really are.

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Wars
Posted by: Edward George on Aug 18, 2006 1:38 PM   
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OF COURSE I'M REPELLED BY THIS. IT IS INEXCUSABLE. THAT IS WHY WAR MUST BE A VERY LAST RESORT.

My war happened to be our biggest one, WWII. By now there has been plenty of time for stories like this to leak. Apparantly they did not happen. Why not???

On the other hand we killed many more women and children in our bomb obliteration of German cities, the fire bombing of Tokyo and of course Horishima and Nagasaki. It should be noted that in city bombardment the soldiers usually aren't there, they are at the front, and it's mostly the helpless non combatants that are killed. And note also that in other contexts killing a noncombatant is usually called murder.

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Rape culture, more courtesy the male animal than the military...
Posted by: Blue Heron on Aug 18, 2006 3:41 PM   
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I know the military can turn just about anyone into a murdering machine, but I still think we need to keep rape in the arena of foul male behavior, or it gets diminished. Same for saiyng rapists just have 'control isuues.' It probably is about power and control, but much as I feel that males are barbarians, I know that human motivations are more complex than simply about 'power' or 'control.' We use these blanket terms at our peril. Just look at how these soliders stalked the girl for a long time before they committed the act - this phenomen is about more complex motivations. (not that I really want to know what is going on in rapist's mind)

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too much
Posted by: drSooz on Aug 18, 2006 4:41 PM   
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Too much, too awful, too often, too soon forgotten.

What have we become? I am afraid for my children and their children and feel guilty for having brought them into this world. Perhaps they can have a hand in saving us from ourselves.

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RE: A real danger.
Posted by: bornxeyed on Aug 18, 2006 4:42 PM   
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we must guard overselves that we do not slip into acting like them!

Too late for you!

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RE: A real danger.
Posted by: digitalspy on Aug 18, 2006 5:00 PM   
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Backward culture? No wonder I don't identify with the left or the right these days as it becomes more and more obvious that both sides are equally fucked up. You Kraussse, obviously have no idea what Iraq was like before the war cretins got there. You should do at least a teaspoonful of research before stating your thoughts otherwise you just look like a cretin.
You use the example of a guy kept in a hole by an Afghan warlord. How is this any different to those predators that abduct children and keep them in home made dungeons in the US? Does that make the US a backward culture too?
You make me sick and I hope when payback comes you and your ilk are all standing at ground zero+1 because the thoughts and behaviour of people just like you have made it a certainty.

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How Did This Start?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 18, 2006 5:09 PM   
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Bush, Chenney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and other neocon scum lied to have America invade Iraq.

The Nurember Trials at the end of WWII held the German leadership responsible for all crimes of war.

The citizens of the USA are fools if we don't hold our leadership responsible for these crimes.

Try Bush, Chenney, Rumsfeld, Powell and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the War Crimes Act of 1996. If found guilty, hang them in public for all the world to see. And take their assets to pay restitution for their crimes.

The soldiers and marines in Iraq are also victims of these above criminals.

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RE: A real danger.
Posted by: mythbuster on Aug 18, 2006 7:44 PM   
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What an ignorant, racist sack of shit you are.

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RE: You are a real danger.
Posted by: cold2touch on Aug 18, 2006 8:06 PM   
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I don't know what your ethnic background nor do I care except to remark that you clearly are neither Muslim nor Arab of whom you speak with such filthy ignorance and contempt.

I bet you any money that you think of your own race as highly refined and way above any such atrocities and if any such were brought to light you'd be quick to disown them as hostile propaganda.

Guard yourself that you do not slip into acting like you have been so far!

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Preventive investigation needed
Posted by: Ripcord on Aug 18, 2006 8:33 PM   
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Any abuse of one human under the control of another is unacceptable.

All have acknowedged the inherent problems during war.

This same problem occurs during recruit training.

Accordingly, the US miltary uses a system to control the abuse of recruit-trainees.
Specific regulations apply to drill instructors.
Nevertheless, while in boot camp, pressures inhibit trainees
from reporting abuses. Any complaint seemingly violates team loyalty to the drill instructor as well as to comrades.
It is also the duty of staff (particularly Chaplains) to be sensitive to indications of abuse. Indications of abuse are then reported and investigated.
Furthermore, exit interviews are conducted of graduating recruits.
And most importantly, post-training interviews are conducted
at the first duty station after the recruit has left the training command.
If the post-investigation requires legal action, courts-martial are convened. Many outstanding drill instructors and military personnel have been convicted and given career ending punishments.

But even this system never completely stops all abuse.

However, it is an effective deterrent that controls abuse.

The system itself is not perfect and requires a heavy investment in manpower and money.

But American parents demand assurance that their children
are not subject to unchecked abuse when they volunteer to serve their country and submit themselves to total control while in boot camp.

Likewise, such a preventive investigative system could be used to reduce abuses when Americans serve in combat zones.
Unfortunately, the scope and cost of such a system would be a significant drain on manpower and cost, and combat effectiveness.
But most bloggers above would agree that the cost would be worth it.

Such a system would also advance the military mission as well as give the US more international credibility.

One of the most effective ways that a civilian parent has to uncover suspected abuse in boot camp is to write their Congress person. Congressional staff routinely initiate Congressional inquiries. The military has staff sections whose primary function is to investigate and respond to Congressional inquiries.
So, perhaps we need to spend at least as much time corresponding with our Congressional representatives as we have in responding to this strand?

Ripcord

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RE: A Mercy-Killing
Posted by: bornxeyed on Aug 18, 2006 10:34 PM   
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Is it too late to repeal the First Amendment?

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US Policy in Iraq and the Middle East
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 19, 2006 6:06 AM   
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They just got caught implementing US Policy in Iraq and the Middle East.

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Weeping as I write...
Posted by: NawlinsNomad on Aug 19, 2006 8:09 AM   
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Thank you for elaborating on the evidence of scenes, about which Americans are (apparently) only allowed to hear (and then only if they're paying close attention), not "see" in detail.

Thanks for taking the time to articulate the backstory, and more importantly for personalizing the victimage being inflicted on the world in our name.

Thank you making connections Americans are being trained, daily, to elide, ignore, and forget, as We (the People) "stay the course" to further the ideological/theological aims and enrichment of the few.

What Abeer, and her family, must have endured! To see, and to know, in your final hours, that all of this was unleashed in the wake of freedom and democracy.

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RE: A Mercy-Killing
Posted by: ilyanaoo on Aug 19, 2006 11:04 AM   
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This commentary was meant to be a snark?
Snark applied to this horror feels terribly misplaced.

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Keeping the truth about Iraq front and center
Posted by: jontan88 on Aug 19, 2006 4:21 PM   
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Why are Dems not calling the GOP's lie - that Iraq is the "central point of the 'war' on terror" for what it really is - the Iraqi people's resistance against foreign occupation!

As occupiers, we are just experiencing what all occupiers have faced - resistance. The Russians fought the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan (whom the US secretly supported), among whom were current Al Queda head, Osama bin Laden. The Russians called them terrorists, we called them "freedom fighters". Now we call the reistance, terrorists, but among the Muslims, they are freedom fighters.

We invaded Iraq for profit (to reward the corporate masters who control the GOP - and alas, many Democrats), control (install a puppet government) and domestic political gain (to gain from being the mythical "war president").

We should shout this truth out LOUD and not let the GOP get away with this lie again and again!!!!

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Re: A comment to “A Mercy-killing”
Posted by: Ullern on Aug 19, 2006 8:02 PM   
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“This commentary was meant to be a snark?
Snark applied to this horror feels terribly misplaced. ”


This comment (“A Mercy-Killing”) was meant to be a parody and an exaggeration into the clearly unreasonable, of the expected defence-spin for the rapist-murderers.

"Terribly misplaced" is what US soldiers in Iraq are – and elsewhere on the globe, in the some 715 military bases spread out covering the Earth. "This horror" of US policies, in militarily backed trade-policies (sucking the rest of the global “West” along), kills at least 30 000 people a day from unnecessary starvation, another 1 000 a day from handguns, another 500 and rising from climate-boiling, and so on. This horror is the big picture which even focusing on any individual horror distracts from, until attention is more equally and justifiably dispersed. Amurkans have a bad and sad tendency of squandering pity on single cases, while ignoring the great multitude of cases and attention-needing topic in a rational order of priorities. Abeer is dead, while the many many thousands still suffering from similar or other mistreatment by US forces are alive - that's the brutal reality.

Be concerned with that, rather than self-indulgently belligerent feelings of "misplaced" forms of presentation.

Amurkans excell in smug life-styles of belligerence, self-absorbtion and resource consumption, while letting the leading 50 000 or so super-rich plunder and subjugate the world. In order for what? – Only to harvest feelings of being high and mighty, as ersatz-love for the lovely harmonies with people and nature which the US society as a whole – and of course more markedly the nearer the top one gets – is unwilling to find by developing spiritually, with the relevant and freely available psycho-technologies. Instead of developing society-wide psycho-technologies the US develops military technologies, and with them runs the whole horror-circus of subjugating the world.

But the good feelings accessed through a domination generating feelings of importance and satisfaction through consumption, can even better be accessed by relaxing into the alert feelings of being alive. The perceived and feared scarcity of resources – even oil – is a neurotic self-hoax, self-replicating and self-validating the very circumstances feared. Oil becomes scarce because of the focus on it, in simplified terms. That focus can be used on sustainable energies and sustainable living, slowly and surely turning the high spirits of belligerence down, decommissioning the Western US-led empire in the process, and getting everyone high on better energies. Literally. In the scare of scarcity anything can and will be justified. And the perpetrators believe their own misconstrued reasons. – That’s the neurotic quality involved.

Of course Bush and the junta believe their own words, and that they’re each only making minor adjustments to make the truth come out clearer. Meanwhile they are and always will be too busy to self-critically examine the premises they’ve adopted from others. It’s a “self-deception circle”. Everyone believing their own little lie doesn’t count because the overall picture is true and of paramount importance. So the circle spins on.

Look at the big picture, if you dare. In view of that, the “horror” of a single multiple rape and murder is a bloody comforting relief. That’s why it works as distraction.

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Iraq not alone
Posted by: Ouelle on Aug 21, 2006 6:18 AM   
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This is happening in Aghanistan. Why aren't we hearing about it there?

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Guatemala
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Aug 21, 2006 10:29 PM   
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During the US-led and funded war in Guatemala, the government militia were taught that killing women was a good thing because women give birth to people who might one day become the enemy.

the fighting may have "stopped" in 1996, but now thousands of Guatemalan women go missing or are found dead (often chopped into many pieces, their head may or may not be found) - quite possibly because some militia men cannot see women as anything but enemies.

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Also in Guatemala, men who rape females over the age of 12 can escape punishment by MARRYING the victim.

Charming.

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» RE: Guatemala Posted by: Ouelle
Doesn't surprise me
Posted by: starbuck10 on Aug 21, 2006 10:36 PM   
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In this day and age, nothing shocks me anymore. Our military is going to hell in a handbasket and no one seems to care. A little girl was stalked like an animal and brutally raped and murdered in her own home and what is america's response? We talk about it for a while and the media have their usual Q and A analysis over who, what, when, and suddenly Jon Benet's killer comes forward and her murder and countless other crimes committed by our honorable country is swept under the carpet and if you asked someone on the street who Abeer was they would stare dumbly at you and keep walking. Everyone is half crazed with this new and more important story. Perhaps if the girl hadn't been Iraqi? Or if her hair had been golden and her skin like cream? I'm still sickened by what those animals did to that poor girl and her family. When I hear stories about another soldier killed in Iraq I feel nothing..I live near a military base and I don't want to think about it...I've lost all respect for the uniform even though I know there are a few good apples in the orchard...it doesn't surprise me what our military is capable of...if you're trained to kill then you can rape too...those GIs did what they did because they could and weren't afraid of the consequences..what consequences? Is it true that our military used to put sexual inhibitors in soldiers food in the fifties? Why don't they do that? Men are men and they're not going to stop being men just because they have on a uniform..look at our culture today. Porn is rampant on the internet and sex permeates our society through tv..music and movies..it's no wonder they saw her and went after her...men are taught not to respect women...they didn't see her as a person..she was meat and like rabid dogs they tore her apart and left her...I guess that's what they're teaching at basic now...and I don't believe in that PTSD crap the defense is feeding us...all new recruits should see the movie..Casualties of War ...it's a haunting testement to what men with guns think they can get away with and how guilt forces one young soldier to stand up for the dead girl he could have saved.

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Disgusted but not surprised
Posted by: cjs111 on Aug 22, 2006 8:24 AM   
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Maybe its something in the water in Midland? The rape of a defenseless young woman in Iraq is a grisly metaphor for the parallel rape of the American economy and world reputation by another group of testosterone-driven men led by someone from Midland.

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Weak and helpless females
Posted by: Burton on Aug 23, 2006 9:47 AM   
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Once agin, feminists are playing the "female as victim" card. Poor little weak and helpless females.

We must not forget the death of Abeer, who was allegedly...

Please note the "allegedly"...the suspects are not convicted and already Ms Robin is ready to lynch them. I am sure had this been the segregation era, Ms Robin would have been one of the women calling for the lynching of black men for "allegedly" rayping white women.

Another example of how feminists are opposed to such male dominator concepts such as "innocent until proven guilty" and "due process".

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